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Re: Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
Reply #180 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 2:41pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:41pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:05pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 11:19am:
Clearly you can't grasp the concept of the purpose for the electoral college. To make it as simple as possible, it was one of the conditions before smaller States would join the newly formed United States.


Australia's Political System is:

A Federal Parliamentary Democracy Constitutional Monarchy


America's Political System is:

Constitutional Republic


The Electoral College is but one of many examples of the difference between a Democracy, where the Laws are made by a majority, leaving the Rights of the minority largely unprotected, & a Republic, where a Constitution protects the Rights of all the people from the will & dominance of a controlling majority.



Australia, by your own admission also has a constitution.   Therefore, your attempt to claim otherwise is based on bullshit, Panther.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Panther is not claiming we don't have a constitution numpty. But our system is a Parliamentary Democracy via a constitution approved by the British parliament with the monarch as head of state. However it is not a "Constitutional Monarchy" as Panther described it, easy mistake to make just as we make mistakes when discussing the Constitution and the electoral system of the United States
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Reply #181 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 3:03pm
 
Debates like this just remind me of how much dumber Americans are than Australians. Even Brian Ross is owning these yanks.
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Reply #182 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 3:08pm
 
Panther wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:05pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 11:19am:
Clearly you can't grasp the concept of the purpose for the electoral college. To make it as simple as possible, it was one of the conditions before smaller States would join the newly formed United States.


Australia's Political System is:

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No, it is not. Do some reading.

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Reply #183 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 3:15pm
 
Panther wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:05pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 11:19am:
Clearly you can't grasp the concept of the purpose for the electoral college. To make it as simple as possible, it was one of the conditions before smaller States would join the newly formed United States.


Australia's Political System is:

A Federal Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy


America's Political System is:

Constitutional Republic


The Electoral College is but one of many examples of the difference between a Democracy, where the Laws are made by a majority, leaving the Rights of the minority largely unprotected, & a Republic, where a Constitution protects the Rights of all the people from the will & dominance of a controlling majority.



I would think that the antiquated second amendment that currently assists mass murder is a prime example of the significant flaws in the US system.

You also have a politically corrupt legal system with Judges typically voting along appointed party lines, why would you build a deliberate bias into judicial appointments. Not good.

In elections you typically don't bother to count all the votes, allow voter rolls to be cleared on party lines deliberately preventing legitimate voters from voting and allow voting systems that are biased against poor areas.

Now you have a president that has been running an extortion racket from the Oval Office and being supported by the senate to do so.

An electoral collage that can change the election result of the voters.

And invitations to foreign governments to participate in elections.

Russia having a bigger influence on the US election than many other states.

All indication is that Australia's system is far superior.
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Re: Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
Reply #184 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 4:25pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 3:15pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:05pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 11:19am:
Clearly you can't grasp the concept of the purpose for the electoral college. To make it as simple as possible, it was one of the conditions before smaller States would join the newly formed United States.


Australia's Political System is:

A Federal Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy


America's Political System is:

Constitutional Republic


The Electoral College is but one of many examples of the difference between a Democracy, where the Laws are made by a majority, leaving the Rights of the minority largely unprotected, & a Republic, where a Constitution protects the Rights of all the people from the will & dominance of a controlling majority.



I would think that the antiquated second amendment that currently assists mass murder is a prime example of the significant flaws in the US system.

You also have a politically corrupt legal system with Judges typically voting along appointed party lines, why would you build a deliberate bias into judicial appointments. Not good.

In elections you typically don't bother to count all the votes, allow voter rolls to be cleared on party lines deliberately preventing legitimate voters from voting and allow voting systems that are biased against poor areas.

Now you have a president that has been running an extortion racket from the Oval Office and being supported by the senate to do so.

An electoral collage that can change the election result of the voters.

And invitations to foreign governments to participate in elections.

Russia having a bigger influence on the US election than many other states.

All indication is that Australia's system is far superior.


Yeah it only took 118 years for the Libs and Labs to ban foreign donations to political parties ... and that's only because they can now rob the taxpayer to the tune of tens of millions to finance their electoral campaigning


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Re: Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
Reply #185 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 5:27pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 2:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:41pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:05pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 11:19am:
Clearly you can't grasp the concept of the purpose for the electoral college. To make it as simple as possible, it was one of the conditions before smaller States would join the newly formed United States.


Australia's Political System is:

A Federal Parliamentary Democracy Constitutional Monarchy


America's Political System is:

Constitutional Republic


The Electoral College is but one of many examples of the difference between a Democracy, where the Laws are made by a majority, leaving the Rights of the minority largely unprotected, & a Republic, where a Constitution protects the Rights of all the people from the will & dominance of a controlling majority.



Australia, by your own admission also has a constitution.   Therefore, your attempt to claim otherwise is based on bullshit, Panther.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Panther is not claiming we don't have a constitution numpty. But our system is a Parliamentary Democracy via a constitution approved by the British parliament with the monarch as head of state. However it is not a "Constitutional Monarchy" as Panther described it, easy mistake to make just as we make mistakes when discussing the Constitution and the electoral system of the United States


Our Constitution was created by Australians and was OK'ed by Australian voters.  So, you're claim is false.  We are effectively a "constitutional monarchy", with a foreign monarch who is absent and represented by her Governor-General whom is appointed by the Government of Australia.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
Reply #186 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:08pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 5:27pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 2:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:41pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:05pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 11:19am:
Clearly you can't grasp the concept of the purpose for the electoral college. To make it as simple as possible, it was one of the conditions before smaller States would join the newly formed United States.


Australia's Political System is:

A Federal Parliamentary Democracy Constitutional Monarchy


America's Political System is:

Constitutional Republic


The Electoral College is but one of many examples of the difference between a Democracy, where the Laws are made by a majority, leaving the Rights of the minority largely unprotected, & a Republic, where a Constitution protects the Rights of all the people from the will & dominance of a controlling majority.



Australia, by your own admission also has a constitution.   Therefore, your attempt to claim otherwise is based on bullshit, Panther.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Panther is not claiming we don't have a constitution numpty. But our system is a Parliamentary Democracy via a constitution approved by the British parliament with the monarch as head of state. However it is not a "Constitutional Monarchy" as Panther described it, easy mistake to make just as we make mistakes when discussing the Constitution and the electoral system of the United States


Our Constitution was created by Australians and was OK'ed by Australian voters.  So, you're claim is false.  We are effectively a "constitutional monarchy", with a foreign monarch who is absent and represented by her Governor-General whom is appointed by the Government of Australia.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Yes really quirky system but it has served us well.
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Re: Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
Reply #187 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:11pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 5:27pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 2:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:41pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:05pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 11:19am:
Clearly you can't grasp the concept of the purpose for the electoral college. To make it as simple as possible, it was one of the conditions before smaller States would join the newly formed United States.


Australia's Political System is:

A Federal Parliamentary Democracy Constitutional Monarchy


America's Political System is:

Constitutional Republic


The Electoral College is but one of many examples of the difference between a Democracy, where the Laws are made by a majority, leaving the Rights of the minority largely unprotected, & a Republic, where a Constitution protects the Rights of all the people from the will & dominance of a controlling majority.



Australia, by your own admission also has a constitution.   Therefore, your attempt to claim otherwise is based on bullshit, Panther.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Panther is not claiming we don't have a constitution numpty. But our system is a Parliamentary Democracy via a constitution approved by the British parliament with the monarch as head of state. However it is not a "Constitutional Monarchy" as Panther described it, easy mistake to make just as we make mistakes when discussing the Constitution and the electoral system of the United States


Our Constitution was created by Australians and was OK'ed by Australian voters.  So, you're claim is false.  We are effectively a "constitutional monarchy", with a foreign monarch who is absent and represented by her Governor-General whom is appointed by the Government of Australia.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Don't like the Second Amendment.....too bad, you have no say in the process.....unless you are an American Citizen that is...

The Founding Fathers knew that the Constitution was not perfect, & would need to be changed from time to time. That said, they also knew that making it easy would have our sacred document changed at a whim, so they made it a bit difficult, so changing it would require a very broad consensus, & strong desire by the People.....the way it should be....

In over 220 years Americans have attempted to amend the US Constitution over 12,000 times.........& has only been approved through Congress by super-majority (2/3rds) vote in each Chamber & then sent to the American People for Ratification, where the People have only approved change 17 times successfully.

Attempted ± 12,000 times...............successful 17 times.

So, change, remove, or amend the Second Amendment........A Right of the American People, never been done before?....Nope....no Constitutional Right of the American People has ever been amended or removed in over 225 years.....Its never been done for that matter......so, not likely, if even possible at all......the Right is Inalienable


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Re: Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
Reply #188 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:19pm
 
Panther wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 5:27pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 2:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:41pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:05pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 11:19am:
Clearly you can't grasp the concept of the purpose for the electoral college. To make it as simple as possible, it was one of the conditions before smaller States would join the newly formed United States.


Australia's Political System is:

A Federal Parliamentary Democracy Constitutional Monarchy


America's Political System is:

Constitutional Republic


The Electoral College is but one of many examples of the difference between a Democracy, where the Laws are made by a majority, leaving the Rights of the minority largely unprotected, & a Republic, where a Constitution protects the Rights of all the people from the will & dominance of a controlling majority.



Australia, by your own admission also has a constitution.   Therefore, your attempt to claim otherwise is based on bullshit, Panther.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Panther is not claiming we don't have a constitution numpty. But our system is a Parliamentary Democracy via a constitution approved by the British parliament with the monarch as head of state. However it is not a "Constitutional Monarchy" as Panther described it, easy mistake to make just as we make mistakes when discussing the Constitution and the electoral system of the United States


Our Constitution was created by Australians and was OK'ed by Australian voters.  So, you're claim is false.  We are effectively a "constitutional monarchy", with a foreign monarch who is absent and represented by her Governor-General whom is appointed by the Government of Australia.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Don't like the Second Amendment.....too bad, you have no say in the process.....unless you are an American Citizen that is...

The Founding Fathers knew that the Constitution was not perfect, & would need to be changed from time to time. That said, they also knew that making it easy would have our sacred document changed at a whim, so they made it a bit difficult, so changing it would require a very broad consensus, & strong desire by the People.....the way it should be....

In over 220 years Americans have attempted to amend the US Constitution over 12,000 times.........& has only been approved through Congress by super-majority (2/3rds) vote in each Chamber & then sent to the American People for Ratification, where the People have only approved change 17 times successfully.

So, change, remove, or amend the Second Amendment........A Right of the American People, never been done before?....Nope....no Right of the American People has ever been amended or removed in over 225 years.....Its never been done for that matter......so not likely, if even possible at all......the Right is Inalienable




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The second amendment was effectively changed outside of this process in 2008 when a politically motivated NRA sponsored attack on it occurred via the courts. The first dozen words were effectively re defined to have no meaning as desired by the NRA.

Yes inalienable my arse.

The second amendment is a relic of a time long past. When the amendment was written the need for arms to support the militia was a genuine as written in the dictionary need of the times. Now it is dishonestly dismissed as a prefatory clause which changes the full meaning of the amendment from 2008 on.
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Re: Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
Reply #189 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:39pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 5:27pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 2:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:41pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:05pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 11:19am:
Clearly you can't grasp the concept of the purpose for the electoral college. To make it as simple as possible, it was one of the conditions before smaller States would join the newly formed United States.


Australia's Political System is:

A Federal Parliamentary Democracy Constitutional Monarchy


America's Political System is:

Constitutional Republic


The Electoral College is but one of many examples of the difference between a Democracy, where the Laws are made by a majority, leaving the Rights of the minority largely unprotected, & a Republic, where a Constitution protects the Rights of all the people from the will & dominance of a controlling majority.



Australia, by your own admission also has a constitution.   Therefore, your attempt to claim otherwise is based on bullshit, Panther.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Panther is not claiming we don't have a constitution numpty. But our system is a Parliamentary Democracy via a constitution approved by the British parliament with the monarch as head of state. However it is not a "Constitutional Monarchy" as Panther described it, easy mistake to make just as we make mistakes when discussing the Constitution and the electoral system of the United States


Our Constitution was created by Australians and was OK'ed by Australian voters.  So, you're claim is false.  We are effectively a "constitutional monarchy", with a foreign monarch who is absent and represented by her Governor-General whom is appointed by the Government of Australia.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



All sorts of names can be bandied around but I have no interest in them because I want Australia to become independent from old mother England and a brand new constitution drafted for Australia. What I would like is a Constitutional Republic which frees Aussies which means all of our existing draconian laws will have to be abandoned - an end to the Lib/Lab dictatorial psycho sociopaths 
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Re: Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
Reply #190 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:41pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:19pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 5:27pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 2:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:41pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:05pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 11:19am:
Clearly you can't grasp the concept of the purpose for the electoral college. To make it as simple as possible, it was one of the conditions before smaller States would join the newly formed United States.


Australia's Political System is:

A Federal Parliamentary Democracy Constitutional Monarchy


America's Political System is:

Constitutional Republic


The Electoral College is but one of many examples of the difference between a Democracy, where the Laws are made by a majority, leaving the Rights of the minority largely unprotected, & a Republic, where a Constitution protects the Rights of all the people from the will & dominance of a controlling majority.



Australia, by your own admission also has a constitution.   Therefore, your attempt to claim otherwise is based on bullshit, Panther.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Panther is not claiming we don't have a constitution numpty. But our system is a Parliamentary Democracy via a constitution approved by the British parliament with the monarch as head of state. However it is not a "Constitutional Monarchy" as Panther described it, easy mistake to make just as we make mistakes when discussing the Constitution and the electoral system of the United States


Our Constitution was created by Australians and was OK'ed by Australian voters.  So, you're claim is false.  We are effectively a "constitutional monarchy", with a foreign monarch who is absent and represented by her Governor-General whom is appointed by the Government of Australia.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Don't like the Second Amendment.....too bad, you have no say in the process.....unless you are an American Citizen that is...

The Founding Fathers knew that the Constitution was not perfect, & would need to be changed from time to time. That said, they also knew that making it easy would have our sacred document changed at a whim, so they made it a bit difficult, so changing it would require a very broad consensus, & strong desire by the People.....the way it should be....

In over 220 years Americans have attempted to amend the US Constitution over 12,000 times.........& has only been approved through Congress by super-majority (2/3rds) vote in each Chamber & then sent to the American People for Ratification, where the People have only approved change 17 times successfully.

So, change, remove, or amend the Second Amendment........A Right of the American People, never been done before?....Nope....no Right of the American People has ever been amended or removed in over 225 years.....Its never been done for that matter......so not likely, if even possible at all......the Right is Inalienable




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The second amendment was effectively changed outside of this process in 2008 when a politically motivated NRA sponsored attack on it occurred via the courts. The first dozen words were effectively re defined to have no meaning as desired by the NRA.

Yes inalienable my arse.

The second amendment is a relic of a time long past. When the amendment was written the need for arms to support the militia was a genuine as written in the dictionary need of the times. Now it is dishonestly dismissed as a prefatory clause which changes the full meaning of the amendment from 2008 on.


Wrong DuckBoy.....not changed one bit, the SCOTUS, in 2008, was asked for the very first time to interpret the Right to Bear Arms, the Second Amendment......asked to perform one of the Court's primary functions....to interpret & define the US Constitution........for the very first time in the our Nations 225+ year History. It did so, & their decision, as with all their decisions, becomes the way all American Law must be adhered to. So it wasn't changed, it merely was 'clarified' for all Americans.....especially the Government......for all time unless Amended.  Wink Cool


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Re: Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
Reply #191 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:42pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:39pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 5:27pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 2:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:41pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:05pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 11:19am:
Clearly you can't grasp the concept of the purpose for the electoral college. To make it as simple as possible, it was one of the conditions before smaller States would join the newly formed United States.


Australia's Political System is:

A Federal Parliamentary Democracy Constitutional Monarchy


America's Political System is:

Constitutional Republic


The Electoral College is but one of many examples of the difference between a Democracy, where the Laws are made by a majority, leaving the Rights of the minority largely unprotected, & a Republic, where a Constitution protects the Rights of all the people from the will & dominance of a controlling majority.



Australia, by your own admission also has a constitution.   Therefore, your attempt to claim otherwise is based on bullshit, Panther.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Panther is not claiming we don't have a constitution numpty. But our system is a Parliamentary Democracy via a constitution approved by the British parliament with the monarch as head of state. However it is not a "Constitutional Monarchy" as Panther described it, easy mistake to make just as we make mistakes when discussing the Constitution and the electoral system of the United States


Our Constitution was created by Australians and was OK'ed by Australian voters.  So, you're claim is false.  We are effectively a "constitutional monarchy", with a foreign monarch who is absent and represented by her Governor-General whom is appointed by the Government of Australia.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



All sorts of names can be bandied around but I have no interest in them because I want Australia to become independent from old mother England and a brand new constitution drafted for Australia. What I would like is a Constitutional Republic which frees Aussies which means all of our existing draconian laws will have to be abandoned - an end to the Lib/Lab dictatorial psycho sociopaths 



You really are a dreamer, aren't you?  Your desires will never happen.   Australia has been fully independent from the UK since 1986 when the Australia Act was passed which severed all the remaining ties between the UK and Australia.  Look it up.  Roll Eyes

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Re: Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
Reply #192 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:47pm
 
Panther wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:41pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:19pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 5:27pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 2:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:41pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:05pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 11:19am:
Clearly you can't grasp the concept of the purpose for the electoral college. To make it as simple as possible, it was one of the conditions before smaller States would join the newly formed United States.


Australia's Political System is:

A Federal Parliamentary Democracy Constitutional Monarchy


America's Political System is:

Constitutional Republic


The Electoral College is but one of many examples of the difference between a Democracy, where the Laws are made by a majority, leaving the Rights of the minority largely unprotected, & a Republic, where a Constitution protects the Rights of all the people from the will & dominance of a controlling majority.



Australia, by your own admission also has a constitution.   Therefore, your attempt to claim otherwise is based on bullshit, Panther.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Panther is not claiming we don't have a constitution numpty. But our system is a Parliamentary Democracy via a constitution approved by the British parliament with the monarch as head of state. However it is not a "Constitutional Monarchy" as Panther described it, easy mistake to make just as we make mistakes when discussing the Constitution and the electoral system of the United States


Our Constitution was created by Australians and was OK'ed by Australian voters.  So, you're claim is false.  We are effectively a "constitutional monarchy", with a foreign monarch who is absent and represented by her Governor-General whom is appointed by the Government of Australia.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Don't like the Second Amendment.....too bad, you have no say in the process.....unless you are an American Citizen that is...

The Founding Fathers knew that the Constitution was not perfect, & would need to be changed from time to time. That said, they also knew that making it easy would have our sacred document changed at a whim, so they made it a bit difficult, so changing it would require a very broad consensus, & strong desire by the People.....the way it should be....

In over 220 years Americans have attempted to amend the US Constitution over 12,000 times.........& has only been approved through Congress by super-majority (2/3rds) vote in each Chamber & then sent to the American People for Ratification, where the People have only approved change 17 times successfully.

So, change, remove, or amend the Second Amendment........A Right of the American People, never been done before?....Nope....no Right of the American People has ever been amended or removed in over 225 years.....Its never been done for that matter......so not likely, if even possible at all......the Right is Inalienable



The second amendment was effectively changed outside of this process in 2008 when a politically motivated NRA sponsored attack on it occurred via the courts. The first dozen words were effectively re defined to have no meaning as desired by the NRA.

Yes inalienable my arse.

The second amendment is a relic of a time long past. When the amendment was written the need for arms to support the militia was a genuine as written in the dictionary need of the times. Now it is dishonestly dismissed as a prefatory clause which changes the full meaning of the amendment from 2008 on.


Wrong DuckBoy.....not changed one bit,  the SCOTUS, in 2008, was asked for the very first time to interpret the Right to Bear Arms, the Second Amendment......asked to perform one of the Court's primary functions....to interpret & define the US Constitution........[/highlight]for the very first time in the our Nations 225+ year History. It did so, & their decision, as with all their decisions, becomes the way all American Law must be adhered to. So it wasn't changed, it merely was 'clarified' for all Americans.....especially the Government......for all time unless Amended.  Wink Cool


Except the US Government has introduced regulations which do abridge the supposed "right" of US citizens to keep and arm bears, right, Panther?

You are not allowed to own fully-automatic firearms.  You are not allowed to own "butt-stock" equipped firearms, right?  There are numerous regulations which prevent you owning many different types of firearms and weapons.

Your second-amendment has been regulated numerous times over the years and the NRA has stood by and allowed this to happen.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Re: Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
Reply #193 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 8:10pm
 
Panther wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:41pm:
Wrong DuckBoy.....not changed one bit, the SCOTUS, in 2008, was asked for the very first time to interpret the Right to Bear Arms, the Second Amendment......asked to perform one of the Court's primary functions....to interpret & define the US Constitution........for the very first time in the our Nations 225+ year History. It did so, & their decision, as with all their decisions, becomes the way all American Law must be adhered to. So it wasn't changed, it merely was 'clarified' for all Americans.....especially the Government......for all time unless Amended.  Wink Cool


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The NRA wanted it changed - The NRA owns the Government and then the Government owns the Court decision makers. NRA want it changed and Hey Presto.
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Re: Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
Reply #194 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 9:03pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:42pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 6:39pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 5:27pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 2:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:41pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:05pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jan 1st, 2020 at 11:19am:
Clearly you can't grasp the concept of the purpose for the electoral college. To make it as simple as possible, it was one of the conditions before smaller States would join the newly formed United States.


Australia's Political System is:

A Federal Parliamentary Democracy Constitutional Monarchy


America's Political System is:

Constitutional Republic


The Electoral College is but one of many examples of the difference between a Democracy, where the Laws are made by a majority, leaving the Rights of the minority largely unprotected, & a Republic, where a Constitution protects the Rights of all the people from the will & dominance of a controlling majority.



Australia, by your own admission also has a constitution.   Therefore, your attempt to claim otherwise is based on bullshit, Panther.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Panther is not claiming we don't have a constitution numpty. But our system is a Parliamentary Democracy via a constitution approved by the British parliament with the monarch as head of state. However it is not a "Constitutional Monarchy" as Panther described it, easy mistake to make just as we make mistakes when discussing the Constitution and the electoral system of the United States


Our Constitution was created by Australians and was OK'ed by Australian voters.  So, you're claim is false.  We are effectively a "constitutional monarchy", with a foreign monarch who is absent and represented by her Governor-General whom is appointed by the Government of Australia.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



All sorts of names can be bandied around but I have no interest in them because I want Australia to become independent from old mother England and a brand new constitution drafted for Australia. What I would like is a Constitutional Republic which frees Aussies which means all of our existing draconian laws will have to be abandoned - an end to the Lib/Lab dictatorial psycho sociopaths 



You really are a dreamer, aren't you?  Your desires will never happen.   Australia has been fully independent from the UK since 1986 when the Australia Act was passed which severed all the remaining ties between the UK and Australia.  Look it up.  Roll Eyes



Not completely, you better read it again

"That constitution was (and still is) contained in a British statute"

"the Queen could still exercise any of her powers with respect to the State if she was "personally present" in the State."

Now, tell us why you want an Australian as our Head of State if we are totally independent of the UK ?
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