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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11004 Australia Gender:	Re: Climate Change: Why Australia needs to do NOTHING! Reply #75 - Dec 30^th, 2019 at 6:27am Barny you talk a lot sh@t pal. Too much at times.......! https://wentworthgroup.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Optimising-Carbon-in-the-A...
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Reply #76 - Dec 30^th, 2019 at 6:36am

Now Barny from No:2 above.

1000,000,000 tonnes of CO2e every year for the next 40 to 50 years.

Oh and this report was written in 2009............... Kiss

.....before the great flood.

No: 2 above

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CSIRO estimate that the Australian
landscape has the biophysical potential to store an additional 1,000
million tonnes (Mt) of CO2e in soils and vegetation each year for the
next 40 to 50 years.

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11004 Australia Gender:	Re: Climate Change: Why Australia needs to do NOTHING! Reply #77 - Dec 30^th, 2019 at 6:44am There you go barny you were so desperate to see how much degassing goes on. 14% of Australia's CO2 emissions come from land clearing. No:1 above Quote: Terrestrial carbon emissions (primarily from land clearing) are responsible for 14% of Australia’s annual greenhouse gas emissions.
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Reply #78 - Dec 30^th, 2019 at 6:48am

So what's that barny.

Natural CO2e emitted by Australia

Below...............................................13 + 3 = 16%

16% my goodness we don't even emit 1% of the worlds manmade CO2.

It's actually 0.899% manmade CO2 emissions by Australia.

Oh just in case you forgot your maths.

0.16 x 560 = 89.6 million tonnes of CO2e = degassing.... Kiss

.......per annum business as usual Australian eco system.

Cant wait to see the bullsh@t you're going to spin.

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The Australian government estimates that Australia's net emissions in 2017 were 556.4 million tonnes CO
2-equivalent, to which the sectoral contributions were approximately as follows: electricity, 33%; transport, 18%; stationary energy (excluding electricity), 17%; agriculture, 13%; fugitive emissions, 10%; industrial processes, 6%; waste, 3%.[3] This includes about 13% for non-electricity residential use.[4]

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11004 Australia Gender:	Re: Climate Change: Why Australia needs to do NOTHING! Reply #79 - Dec 30^th, 2019 at 7:22am Oh BTW That's storage we're talking about not annual fluxing... Quote: 1000,000,000 tonnes of CO2e every year for the next 40 to 50 years. Just in case you get confused............!
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18853 Gender:	Re: Climate Change: Why Australia needs to do NOTHING! Reply #80 - Dec 30^th, 2019 at 12:08pm Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2019 at 9:17pm: We have tried doing nothing for the last 25 years, I hear the Temperature is expected to reach 47 degrees through the week ? Looks like doing nothing is going just great. Nothing from BoM 7 day forecast that high.
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Reply #81 - Dec 30^th, 2019 at 3:37pm

Ajax wrote on Dec 30^th, 2019 at 6:36am:

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CSIRO estimate that the Australian
landscape has the biophysical potential to store an additional 1,000
million tonnes (Mt) of CO2e in soils and vegetation each year for the
next 40 to 50 years.

Estimated potential doesn't mean a lot
Nothing else you've posted is exactly relevant to Australia being a carbon sink. Especially when you ignore those pesky bushfires we have Wink

Neither you nor lee have been able to prove anything.

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Reply #82 - Dec 30^th, 2019 at 3:54pm

lee wrote on Dec 29^th, 2019 at 5:02pm:

lee wrote on Dec 27th, 2019 at 4:33pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 20th, 2019 at 7:41am:]Almost 60% of the higher than normal carbon uptake that year, or 840 million tons, happened in Australia. That was due to a combination of factors, including geography and a run of very dry years, followed by record-breaking rains in 2010 and 2011. https://blog.csiro.au/record-rains-made-australia-a-giant-green-global-carbon-si
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Now that year was 2011. And 60% higher than normal uptake or 840Mt.

If we reduce 2011 by 60% we get 100/160*840 or 525Mt as a normal figure. And that is Sequestration. No wonder you don't like the CSIRO anymore. Wink

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Reply #83 - Dec 30^th, 2019 at 7:03pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 30^th, 2019 at 3:37pm:

Ajax wrote on Dec 30^th, 2019 at 6:36am:

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CSIRO estimate that the Australian
landscape has the biophysical potential to store an additional 1,000
million tonnes (Mt) of CO2e in soils and vegetation each year for the
next 40 to 50 years.

Estimated potential doesn't mean a lot
Nothing else you've posted is exactly relevant to Australia being a carbon sink. Especially when you ignore those pesky bushfires we have Wink

Neither you nor lee have been able to prove anything.

Hi Barny

It’s one thing to claim that my logic and or calculations may not be right.

It’s another thing to not believe the CSIRO when I call up one of their papers that doesn’t suit your agenda.

And then you quote something from the exact same source CSIRO when it does suit your agenda.

And on top then claim who are we going to believe little o’l me (Ajax) against CSIRO scientists.

Therefore the only conclusion one can come to is that you are in denial of anything other than the blue print of Anthropogenic Global Warming as preached by the IPCC.

And further to that is that you cannot have a logically conversation about anything when it comes to AGW because you believe in the IPCC dogma so much.

So I'm quoting the CSIRO and still you do not believe.

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Reply #84 - Dec 30^th, 2019 at 7:23pm

The other thing barny is I’m open to all interpretations about AGW.

If in the near or distant future someone can prove that the cause of the current warming is indeed manmade CO2.

Well then I will bite my tongue and apologise to you all.

But at this moment in time I haven’t seen anything to suggest that the current warming of the Earth is solely due to man’s emissions of CO2.

If that time comes I will accept it on the chin and then get on with it, but until such a time all I can try and do is open the sheeples minds and I’m afraid you also fall into this category................ Tongue

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Reply #85 - Jan 1^st, 2020 at 11:00am

Ajax wrote on Dec 30^th, 2019 at 7:23pm:

The other thing barny is I’m open to all interpretations about AGW.

If in the near or distant future someone can prove that the cause of the current warming is indeed manmade CO2.

Well then I will bite my tongue and apologise to you all.

But at this moment in time I haven’t seen anything to suggest that the current warming of the Earth is solely due to man’s emissions of CO2.

If that time comes I will accept it on the chin and then get on with it, but until such a time all I can try and do is open the sheeples minds and I’m afraid you also fall into this category................ Tongue

No you won't

The thing about denialists like you and lee is that no evidence will ever be enough.

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Reply #86 - Jan 1^st, 2020 at 11:25am

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 28^th, 2019 at 11:52am:

lee wrote on Dec 28^th, 2019 at 11:46am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 28^th, 2019 at 9:37am:

Given that October to December would be peak growing seasons anyway, you post actually supports my contention that 2010 was an extraordinary year that whatsupwiththat happened to cherry pick very unscientifically

Nope. Peak growing is Spring. Ripening happens from October to December. You don't know much about growing seasons do you? Wink

Last time I checked October and November were spring Wink

Just admit you are wrong lee instead of playing these endless verbal gymnastics.
It will save us both a lot of time

lee wrote on Dec 25^th, 2019 at 12:50pm:

Coming into summer. That is later than Spring.

I am still gobsmacked that you are trying to claim that October isn't spring.
It's actually mid spring.
In fact many countries start their seasons on 21st September so you could make an argument that October is early spring

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Reply #87 - Jan 1^st, 2020 at 12:15pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 28^th, 2019 at 9:37am:

Sure the extraordinary rainfall event was from October 2010 to March 2011, but the drought actually broke in March 2010 (as evidenced in this map).

I'm also gobsmacked that you can't understand that theses are 2 separate events,
The millennial drought broke in March 2010.
The extraordinary rainfall event was October (spring) 2010 to March 2011
They are 2 separate events

And how did all this start?
You produced a whatsupwiththat.com article that claimed Australia was a carbon sink, but that only provided data for 2010.
I pointed out that 2010 was unrepresentative as we had bad bush fires in 2009 and the long drought ended in 2010 so there would have been enormous plant growth.

Any sane person would have either acknowledged that 2010 was not a representative year and/or would have provided further evidence that didn't rely on cherry picked data.

lee however, is not a sane person.
His arguments became increasingly pedantic, circular and irrelevant to the point where he was trying to argue that October isn't Spring (it's "coming into summer" apparently Wink

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Having re read this thread I have come to the conclusion, lee, that you are completely insane

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Reply #88 - Jan 1^st, 2020 at 12:18pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 12:15pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 28^th, 2019 at 9:37am:

Sure the extraordinary rainfall event was from October 2010 to March 2011, but the drought actually broke in March 2010 (as evidenced in this map).

I'm also gobsmacked that you can't understand that theses are 2 separate events,
The millennial drought broke in March 2010.
The extraordinary rainfall event was October (spring) 2010 to March 2011
They are 2 separate events

And how did all this start?
You produced a whatsupwiththat.com article that claimed Australia was a carbon sink, but that only provided data for 2010.
I pointed out that 2010 was unrepresentative as we had bad bush fires in 2009 and the long drought ended in 2010 so there would have been enormous plant growth.

Any sane person would have either acknowledged that 2010 was not a representative year and/or would have provided further evidence that didn't rely on cherry picked data.

lee however, is not a sane person.
His arguments became increasingly pedantic, circular and irrelevant to the point where he was trying to argue that October isn't Spring (it's "coming into summer" apparently Wink

)

Having re read this thread I have come to the conclusion, lee, that you are completely insane

Bit harsh - I would say only 98%

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Reply #89 - Jan 1^st, 2020 at 1:12pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 1^st, 2020 at 12:15pm:

The extraordinary rainfall event was October (spring) 2010 to March 2011
They are 2 separate events

And yet the CSIRO, which you quoted, said that 2011 was 60% above normal. I know you don't do maths. So I did them for you. Grin

lee wrote on Dec 30^th, 2019 at 3:54pm:

lee wrote on Dec 29th, 2019 at 3:02pm:
lee wrote on Dec 27th, 2019 at 4:33pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 20th, 2019 at 7:41am:]Almost 60% of the higher than normal carbon uptake that year, or 840 million tons, happened in Australia. That was due to a combination of factors, including geography and a run of very dry years, followed by record-breaking rains in 2010 and 2011. https://blog.csiro.au/record-rains-made-australia-a-giant-green-global-carbon-si

...

"While atmospheric carbon dioxide still rose in 2011, it grew at a much lower rate – nearly 20% lower – than the average growth over the previous decade."

So 2011 was 60% higher than "normal".

Why don't you like the CSIRO anymore? Grin

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