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Dec 19th, 2019 at 7:16pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 10:15am:
I'm blaming Europeans for the deaths that were caused directly or indirectly by European colonialism.


polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:26am:
If an arab person travels to Europe with a disease they contracted in Arabia, its an arab disease. If a European person infects someone in America with a disease they contracted in Europe, its a European disease.

Its really not relevant what happens after that, or even before that. The disease could have been developed on the moon for all I care. Like I said, its a point in time thing.


polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 19th, 2019 at 10:18am:
freediver wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 6:24pm:
Gandalf previously insisted all white people were morally culpable for the deaths caused by introduced diseases to the new world.


No he didn't.


polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 10:31am:
Also, millions of people died due to European diseases


polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 19th, 2018 at 2:05pm:
Of course - 'European diseases' is entirely logical and sensible.

And what "all the deaths"? I blame Europeans for all the deaths that resulted from their invasion and pillaging, nothing more, nothing less. What game are you playing here with the cryptic use of the word "all"? Are you trying to subtly slip in the deaths from Genghis Khan or something? 600 innocent jews in one day perhaps?


polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 3:46pm:
I blame the Europeans for raping and pillaging and enslaving and committing genocide of the inhabitants - as well as for any other devastating effects that rape and pillage and genocide had on the inhabitants - unforeseen or otherwise.


polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22nd, 2017 at 1:33pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 21st, 2017 at 12:12pm:
Gandalf can you explain for us your theory on blaming racial groups for the spread of disease?


My theory is that when a group of people (you can call them a 'race' if you like) invade a defenseless nation of people in order to rape and pillage its natural resources, and enslave the population, they are to "blame" for any diseases that they bring and spread (deliberately or not) amongst the natives.

Not to be confused with the scenario where diseases spread as a result of friendly traders making contact with natives in good faith and instigating trade based on mutual respect.


polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 3:46pm:
Lets start by not shoving words into my mouth for once. Where did this talk of "races" come from? I never mentioned them. You seem to be constructing some kind of strawman with it.

The whole of South and central America getting decimated by European disease when the Europeans came to rape and pillage and enslave the inhabitants - springs to mind as a case in point.


polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 22nd, 2017 at 8:13am:
freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 8:28pm:
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Now try again, and this time try and forget about white and black men.


You brought it up Gandalf.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 3:34pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 12:32pm:
even though they basically discovered it because they were trying to get away from 'friendly Muslimns'?


Spanish conquistadors fresh from ethnically cleansing Spain of muslims and jews - raped and pillaged America because they trying to get away from muslims now were they? Or late 19th century Belgium - running away from big bad muslims, just happened to run into Congo - and thought 'hey what the hell, now we're here - we may as well rape and pillage the place'. Flay around aimlessly some more FD, its getting hilarious.


Do you really not know this Gandalf?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus

Under the Mongol Empire's hegemony over Asia (the Pax Mongolica, or Mongol peace), Europeans had long enjoyed a safe land passage, the Silk Road, to the Indies (then construed roughly as all of south and east Asia) and China, which were sources of valuable goods such as spices and silk. With the fall of Constantinople to the Ottoman Turks in 1453, the land route to Asia became much more difficult and dangerous. Portuguese navigators tried to find a sea way to Asia.


So your argument goes - while the Spanish were trying to avoid the muslims to find a way to Asia, they instead stumbled upon the Americas....


polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 22nd, 2017 at 8:09pm:
you are not making any coherent point here homo

Take whatever scenario you like - it still doesn't alter the essential point: the Spanish gave Indians the sniffles/small pox, whatever - because they invaded their land in order to rape and pillage it. I don't have to brush up on my biology to know that.
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Reply #1 - Dec 19th, 2019 at 7:28pm
 

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 22nd, 2017 at 9:55am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2017 at 9:01am:
It's a tough case to prove, so FD just makes stuff up.


To be fair, he also relies heavilly on the most extraordinarily absurd leaps in logic. From the top of my head just in recent discussions:

- criticising Europeans for killing millions during the colonial period - must be racist, cause you know, European='white' race, and I'm not blaming blacks or muslims
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Atleast white people cured their diseases through modern medical technology and medicines. Muslims are still waiting for Allah to cure theirs'.
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Muslims blame white people for diseases

hey FD, do you blame Christians every time yadda says something you disagree with? Cheesy
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UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 19th, 2019 at 8:39pm:
Atleast white people cured their diseases through modern medical technology and medicines. Muslims are still waiting for Allah to cure theirs'.


He sent them camel urine. Done.
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Reply #6 - Dec 20th, 2019 at 9:12am
 
oh look another quote bomb that no one except FD will read. Long story short - FD demonstrating his inability to understand the concept that raping and pillaging is bad, and that anyone who engages in it should be blamed for all the bad consequences that come with it (including spreading the diseases they bring).

FD once summarised the mass murder of 10-20 million Africans in Congo by the Belgians as nothing but a bit of bad weather and disease spread by Arabs, and far from causing any of the suffering, the Belgians came in and rescued them.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 19th, 2019 at 8:39pm:
Atleast white people cured their diseases through modern medical technology and medicines. Muslims are still waiting for Allah to cure theirs'.


I'm sure the millions of native American men women and children who died of small pox and influenza when the Europeans came to rape and pillage them - will be resting peacefully now that the same rapists and murderers have developed cures for the diseases that killed them. 

Its like if a man with HIV attacks and rapes a woman, and then says 'hey, you shouldn't blame me - in 200 years my descendants will have developed a cure for AIDS.' That, and of course if we followed FD's logic, he would also be blameless if he didn't actually know he had HIV.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 9:12am:
oh look another quote bomb that no one except FD will read. Long story short - FD demonstrating his inability to understand the concept that raping and pillaging is bad, and that anyone who engages in it should be blamed for all the bad consequences that come with it .


Except when it's Muhammad doing the rape and pillage right?
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Reply #9 - Dec 20th, 2019 at 11:44am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 9:21am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 19th, 2019 at 8:39pm:
Atleast white people cured their diseases through modern medical technology and medicines. Muslims are still waiting for Allah to cure theirs'.


I'm sure the millions of native American men women and children who died of small pox and influenza when the Europeans came to rape and pillage them - will be resting peacefully now that the same rapists and murderers have developed cures for the diseases that killed them. 

Its like if a man with HIV attacks and rapes a woman, and then says 'hey, you shouldn't blame me - in 200 years my descendants will have developed a cure for AIDS.' That, and of course if we followed FD's logic, he would also be blameless if he didn't actually know he had HIV.

Do you blame yourself when you pass on the flu to somebody?
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Chicken and egg
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freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 11:28am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 9:12am:
oh look another quote bomb that no one except FD will read. Long story short - FD demonstrating his inability to understand the concept that raping and pillaging is bad, and that anyone who engages in it should be blamed for all the bad consequences that come with it .


Except when it's Muhammad doing the rape and pillage right?


Muhammad didn't do any raping and pillaging.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 11:44am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 9:21am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 19th, 2019 at 8:39pm:
Atleast white people cured their diseases through modern medical technology and medicines. Muslims are still waiting for Allah to cure theirs'.


I'm sure the millions of native American men women and children who died of small pox and influenza when the Europeans came to rape and pillage them - will be resting peacefully now that the same rapists and murderers have developed cures for the diseases that killed them. 

Its like if a man with HIV attacks and rapes a woman, and then says 'hey, you shouldn't blame me - in 200 years my descendants will have developed a cure for AIDS.' That, and of course if we followed FD's logic, he would also be blameless if he didn't actually know he had HIV.

Do you blame yourself when you pass on the flu to somebody?


If I'm raping them or otherwise violating their basic human rights in the process - then yes. But then again, if I'm sick enough to rape someone, I probably wouldn't be capable of accepting responsibility for it. Nor I suspect would anyone who irrationally and blindly supports and apologises for me. I put FD in that latter category.
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Reply #13 - Dec 20th, 2019 at 1:34pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 1:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 11:44am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 9:21am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 19th, 2019 at 8:39pm:
Atleast white people cured their diseases through modern medical technology and medicines. Muslims are still waiting for Allah to cure theirs'.


I'm sure the millions of native American men women and children who died of small pox and influenza when the Europeans came to rape and pillage them - will be resting peacefully now that the same rapists and murderers have developed cures for the diseases that killed them. 

Its like if a man with HIV attacks and rapes a woman, and then says 'hey, you shouldn't blame me - in 200 years my descendants will have developed a cure for AIDS.' That, and of course if we followed FD's logic, he would also be blameless if he didn't actually know he had HIV.

Do you blame yourself when you pass on the flu to somebody?


If I'm raping them or otherwise violating their basic human rights in the process - then yes. But then again, if I'm sick enough to rape someone, I probably wouldn't be capable of accepting responsibility for it. Nor I suspect would anyone who irrationally and blindly supports and apologises for me. I put FD in that latter category.

Do you feel the same venom for the Ottomans who stole land, raped and pillaged? I'm sure they passed on disease also. It's not just a white thing. It is to you for some reason.
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Reply #14 - Dec 20th, 2019 at 1:51pm
 
Yes Hammer, obviously I feel 'venom' for anyone who invades, rapes, pillages or otherwise violate people's basic human rights. That should go without saying.

It is not "just a white thing" for me. The reason I bring this up and not muslim raping and pillaging is because no one here disputes the atrocities committed by muslims. Its the white atrocities that people like FD downplay, apologise for or outright deny. He literally dismisses the Belgian genocide of the Congo in the late 19th century as nothing more than a bit of bad weather and disease brought by the arabs. The Belgians? They rescued the Congolese you see.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 1:51pm:
Yes Hammer, obviously I feel 'venom' for anyone who invades, rapes, pillages or otherwise violate people's basic human rights. That should go without saying.

That's always been human history. That's the way humans are. if you can't defend then you don't own it. It's one of the laws of nature. And nature is never wrong. It just is. morality is a new concept.
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Yes ok, human rights are nothing to worry about. Thats your opinion. Thankfully, almost no one agrees with you.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 2:00pm:
Yes ok, human rights are nothing to worry about. Thats your opinion. Thankfully, almost no one agrees with you.

Thousands and  thousands of years of fighting, pillaging, conquests etc etc etc show me the truth. If it all goes down tomorrow and people start starving you'll soon see the real face of humanity. But you live in comfort so you are afforded this viewpoint.  If you and your family were starving you'd be pushing somebody out of the way for some scraps.
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our polite gandi wrote Reply #11 - Today at 1:25pm Quote:
Muhammad didn't do any raping and pillaging.


Ahh yes the lies and bullshit of the *moderates* just keep coming.

24.33:And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste till Allah give them independence by His grace. And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful.

forcing girls is raping them oh untruthful polite one


8:41:And know that whatever of war-booty that you may gain, verily one-fifth (1/5th) of it is assigned to Allâh, and to the Messenger, and to the near relatives [of the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)], (and also) the orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor) and the wayfarer, if you have believed in Allâh and in that which We sent down to Our slave (Muhammad SAW) on the Day of criterion (between right and wrong), the Day when the two forces met (the battle of Badr) - And Allâh is Able to do all things.

33:27: And He caused you to inherit their lands, and their houses, and their riches, and a land which you had not trodden (before). And Allâh is Able to do all things.

48: 20. Allah has promised you abundant spoils that you will capture, and He has hastened for you this, and He has restrained the hands of men from you, that it may be a sign for the believers, and that He may guide you to a Straight Path.

48:21. And other (victories and much booty there are, He promises you) which are not yet within your power, indeed Allah compasses them, And Allah is Ever Able to do all things.

You can't get booty if you stay at home peacefully, you have to be the aggressor and invade to collect your spoils of war, in the land you have not trodden before, a pillager oh untruthful polite one
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polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 11:28am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 9:12am:
oh look another quote bomb that no one except FD will read. Long story short - FD demonstrating his inability to understand the concept that raping and pillaging is bad, and that anyone who engages in it should be blamed for all the bad consequences that come with it .


Except when it's Muhammad doing the rape and pillage right?


Muhammad didn't do any raping and pillaging.


How do Muslims white-wash his well documented career of robbing Meccan trade caravans?

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 2:00pm:
Yes ok, human rights are nothing to worry about. Thats your opinion. Thankfully, almost no one agrees with you.


Tough titties, off with their heads.
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robbing caravans and executing convicted prisoners now counts as rape, apparently.
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freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 7:25pm:
Tough titties, off with their heads.


You never did arrive at a coherent position vis the actual guilt of the alleged victims. At one point you argued the accusations against them were completely fabricated - that they were not plotting with the enemy at all, and were actually helping Muhammad by supplying him with weapons. But then you got obsessed with the treaty the Qurayza were supposed to have violated, and started arguing that the treaty didn't in fact exist. Thus clearly insinuating that whatever they were alleged to do was in any case irrelevant - as they were not bound to any treaty. Then, at another point you actually celebrated the alleged sabotage of Muhammad by the Qurayza as some glorious act of resistance. Like some 7th century Warsaw Ghetto.

So we see at just about every turn you contradicted yourself in your defence of the Qurayza. So the FD attack on Gandalf for allegedly supporting genocide is one of...

a) the Qurayza remained loyal to Muhammad but still he killed them - so unfair
b) the Qurayza didn't have to be loyal to Muhammad as there was no treaty - but still he killed them - so unfair
c) the Qurayza actively sabotaged Muhammad because it was the right and moral response to pure evil - but they got caught - so unfair.
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muhammad practiced thieving, lying, pedophilia, rape, torture and mass murder.

Today muslims are the top listed religious terrorist groups in the world, are the worlds almost insurmountable refugee problem, slaughter their own kids by the 10s of 1000s with hunger and trauma from refugee flight, legally murder little girls with terminal trauma from child pregnancies, etc. etc., They cannot live in peace with any other belief, they commit atrocities against non muslims globally, all in the name of allah, fully supported by the evil verses in the qur'an which motivate the depravity of the muslims today 21st century.

Truth is the only answer to this problem, the muslims who are committing these foul deeds all 100% believe the qur'an justifies their degeneracy, they are too dumb to realize that the qur'an is nothing more than a handbook for islamic terror, proclaimed by muhammad to spur on the jihadists against the unbeliever, as he forced everyone to worship his reinvented pagan moon god allah.

When the muslims finally tell the truth about islam, the islamic atrocities will begin to finish, islam will die, as it will be seen for what it is, a death cult  developed to force all mankind to worship a recreated moon god allah.

*moderates* and lunatic lefties know this is true, so they stoop to any level in order to protect islam from the truth.

While ever this state of affairs remains nothing will change, there will always be muslims who will rape torture and murder the innocent, just as the qur'an tells them to. 
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polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 23rd, 2019 at 8:09am:
robbing caravans and executing convicted prisoners now counts as rape, apparently.


It's an example of Muhammad pillaging Gandalf. Let's try this again.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
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polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 9:12am:
oh look another quote bomb that no one except FD will read. Long story short - FD demonstrating his inability to understand the concept that raping and pillaging is bad, and that anyone who engages in it should be blamed for all the bad consequences that come with it .


Except when it's Muhammad doing the rape and pillage right?


Muhammad didn't do any raping and pillaging.


How do Muslims white-wash his well documented career of robbing Meccan trade caravans?
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freediver wrote on Dec 23rd, 2019 at 8:25pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 23rd, 2019 at 8:09am:
robbing caravans and executing convicted prisoners now counts as rape, apparently.


It's an example of Muhammad pillaging Gandalf. Let's try this again.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 11:28am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 9:12am:
oh look another quote bomb that no one except FD will read. Long story short - FD demonstrating his inability to understand the concept that raping and pillaging is bad, and that anyone who engages in it should be blamed for all the bad consequences that come with it .


Except when it's Muhammad doing the rape and pillage right?


Muhammad didn't do any raping and pillaging.


How do Muslims white-wash his well documented career of robbing Meccan trade caravans?


For a start we don't hysterically label robbing trade caravans as "rape and pillage". When we say "rape and pillage" it typically refers to something a bit more sinister than the holding up of a few trading caravans by a rag-tag bunch of bandits, who ended up hurting remarkably few people. At least now you concede that it doesn't actually involve the 'rape' part.

Obviously the term rape and pillage is widely understood as the invading, sacking, burning entire villages, towns, countries - slaughtering the inhabitants, and yes, quite often literally raping them. You know, what the Europeans did when they spread freeeedom, only on a monumentaly bigger scale than anyone else.

Did you actually think that equating what the Europeans did to millions upon millions of miserable innocents with the robbing of a few trade caravans and execution of a few hundred POWs was going to fly FD? Or were you just hoping you could create just enough inane obfuscation so that your spineless apologising for European genocide would go unnoticed?

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Right. It took Muhammad a bit longer before he could get away with proper rape and pillage.
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Right. It took Muhammad a bit longer before he could get away with proper rape and pillage.


Grin This is FD seemlessly backflipping from "Muhammad's lifetime activities were literally as bad as the worst European atrocities" to "actually, no they weren't"
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So when you say this:

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Muhammad didn't do any raping and pillaging.


you mean that Muhammad did actually rape and pillage, but that rape and pillage means something far greater than rape and pillage?
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'muslims blame white people for diseases'


Fine by me

Where's the Go Fund Me?

I want to contribute to sending all the poor muslims back to where they emerged from

I'd hate them to be tarnished by our white ebil ways and diseases

Let them return to their wholesome homelands toot sweet

I'll chuck in $100

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freediver wrote on Dec 24th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
So when you say this:

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Muhammad didn't do any raping and pillaging.


you mean that Muhammad did actually rape and pillage, but that rape and pillage means something far greater than rape and pillage?


Did a quick scan through this thread just now, must be getting bored to bother with that title.

Anyway FD, you have posted the word 'rape' in almost every post.  Bit creepy.

Edit: Oh and there are white Muslim BTW, it's a religion not a race.
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Gandalf keeps bringing it up. If you feel uncomfortable discussing the more unsavory aspects of our history (and our present in Islam's case), I'm sure there is a safe space you could retreat to.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 11:44am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 9:21am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 19th, 2019 at 8:39pm:
Atleast white people cured their diseases through modern medical technology and medicines. Muslims are still waiting for Allah to cure theirs'.


I'm sure the millions of native American men women and children who died of small pox and influenza when the Europeans came to rape and pillage them - will be resting peacefully now that the same rapists and murderers have developed cures for the diseases that killed them. 

Its like if a man with HIV attacks and rapes a woman, and then says 'hey, you shouldn't blame me - in 200 years my descendants will have developed a cure for AIDS.' That, and of course if we followed FD's logic, he would also be blameless if he didn't actually know he had HIV.

Do you blame yourself when you pass on the flu to somebody?


I blame Islam.

You?
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random wrote on Dec 24th, 2019 at 4:21pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 24th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
So when you say this:

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Muhammad didn't do any raping and pillaging.


you mean that Muhammad did actually rape and pillage, but that rape and pillage means something far greater than rape and pillage?


Did a quick scan through this thread just now, must be getting bored to bother with that title.

Anyway FD, you have posted the word 'rape' in almost every post.  Bit creepy.

Edit: Oh and there are white Muslim BTW, it's a religion not a race.


Not racist, Random. Islam is not a race.

It's a retarded inbred subspecies, no?
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Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 31st, 2019 at 2:27am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 11:44am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 9:21am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 19th, 2019 at 8:39pm:
Atleast white people cured their diseases through modern medical technology and medicines. Muslims are still waiting for Allah to cure theirs'.


I'm sure the millions of native American men women and children who died of small pox and influenza when the Europeans came to rape and pillage them - will be resting peacefully now that the same rapists and murderers have developed cures for the diseases that killed them. 

Its like if a man with HIV attacks and rapes a woman, and then says 'hey, you shouldn't blame me - in 200 years my descendants will have developed a cure for AIDS.' That, and of course if we followed FD's logic, he would also be blameless if he didn't actually know he had HIV.

Do you blame yourself when you pass on the flu to somebody?


I blame Islam.

You?


Yes, the worst disease in the world is Islam
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So when you say this:

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you mean that Muhammad did actually rape and pillage, but that rape and pillage means something far greater than rape and pillage?


No FD. Muhammad didn't do rape and pillage. Full stop. Not when he held up trade caravans, and not when he conquered Mecca and forbade any ransacking or reprisals. Don't project your cognitive dissonance over the greatest rape and pillage fest the world has ever seen on to me.

It was you, not me, who attempted to twist the phrase "rape and pillage" beyond all meaning when you tried to equate it to holding up trade caravans.
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So robbing trade caravans doesn't count as pillage?
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How old was Aisha exactly when muhammad got the hots for her?

Did he follow the standard 2 year betrothal before he finally married her at the ripe old age of 6?
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So robbing trade caravans doesn't count as pillage?


When you "rob" caravans, its probably wisest to count it as exactly that - robbing. Pillaging in the common English vanacular has a more broad and sinister connotation than mere highway robbery. But of course you know that only too well, which we know is a favourite tactic of yours - to twist language to make things more overblown than they really are. Just like how a perfectly run-of-the-mill (by historical standards) alleged execution of a few hundred POWs in a time of war gets turned into a "genocide".

Of course it was never your intention to use "pillage" as a by-word for highway robbery. You didn't even bother to separate it from its well known and notorious term "rape and pillage", until I tripped you up on it. And lets not forget the context here - what is this thread actually about? Your spineless apology for *actual* rape and pillage on a scale never before seen by human history. And just so we're clear, we're talking about rich and powerful nations invading, ethnic cleansing and destroying entire towns and villagers across entire continents. The mass destruction of entire civilizations. And you sit there and actually equate that with a straight face to the robbing of a few caravans.
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What is the difference between pillage and Muhammad attacking trade caravans to pillage them?
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nothing - when you put it in isolation like that.

However that was not how the term was first raised in this discussion. For a start you tried to pass it off as "rape and pillage", not mere pillage, and secondly it was mentioned only as a spineless apology for the actual rape and pillage of entire continents, leading to literally millions of deaths and destruction of entire civilizations. But of course its understandable that you are now trying to obfuscate the fact that you were equating the greatest episode of rape and pillage the world has ever seen, to the robbing of a few trade caravans.
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sūrat l-nūr (The Light)
24.33:And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste till Allah give them independence by His grace. And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful.

Rape in the doctrine of peace.


Al-Anfal 8:41:
And know that whatever of war-booty that you may gain, verily one-fifth (1/5th) of it is assigned to Allâh, and to the Messenger, and to the near relatives [of the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)], (and also) the orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor) and the wayfarer, if you have believed in Allâh and in that which We sent down to Our slave (Muhammad SAW) on the Day of criterion (between right and wrong), the Day when the two forces met (the battle of Badr) - And Allâh is Able to do all things.

Al-Ahzab 33:27:
And He caused you to inherit their lands, and their houses, and their riches, and a land which you had not trodden (before). And Allâh is Able to do all things.

All the booty you get from your pillaging sanctioned by allah in the *holy book*, just give one fifth to moh is the only stipulation.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 2:52pm:
nothing - when you put it in isolation like that.

However that was not how the term was first raised in this discussion. For a start you tried to pass it off as "rape and pillage", not mere pillage, and secondly it was mentioned only as a spineless apology for the actual rape and pillage of entire continents, leading to literally millions of deaths and destruction of entire civilizations. But of course its understandable that you are now trying to obfuscate the fact that you were equating the greatest episode of rape and pillage the world has ever seen, to the robbing of a few trade caravans.


You cannot seem to make up your mind whether Muhammad pillaged or not.
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And you simply refuse to acknowledge what the vague and culturally emotive term 'pillage' actually involved in this case. And you especially refuse to acknowledge the most relevant point in this discussion - that this particular act of "pillaging" cannot and should not be morally equated to what the European colonists did when they conducted the greatest rape and pillage orgy the world has ever seen.

And so you resort to semantic games, as is your wont. You only do this because you have nothing left to defend your pathetic spineless apologising of the world's greatest ever rape and pillage festival.

Muhammad robbed caravans during a war. This is what it is. The title you give this practice - whether its 'robbing caravans' or 'pillaging' or spongebob squarepants doesn't actually change that. Of course you prefer the emotive term "pillage" because it is vague and emotive and conceals what it actually involves. And with the added bonus you get to conflate it with things like ransacking entire towns and villages and slaughtering all the inhabitants - which believe it or not are also sometimes fobbed off as "pillaging".
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You denied that Muhammad raped in pillaged. Was that an attempt to redefine rape and pillage?

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Doesn't rape and pillage usually happen in the context of war?

Also, what war? The only war going on was Muhammad killing Meccan traders to pillage their goods, which he kept up until war became inevitable.
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And you simply refuse to acknowledge what the vague and culturally emotive term 'pillage' actually involved in this case. And you especially refuse to acknowledge the most relevant point in this discussion - that this particular act of "pillaging" cannot and should not be morally equated to what the European colonists did when they conducted the greatest rape and pillage orgy the world has ever seen.

And so you resort to semantic games, as is your wont. You only do this because you have nothing left to defend your pathetic spineless apologising of the world's greatest ever rape and pillage festival.

Muhammad robbed caravans during a war. This is what it is. The title you give this practice - whether its 'robbing caravans' or 'pillaging' or spongebob squarepants doesn't actually change that. Of course you prefer the emotive term "pillage" because it is vague and emotive and conceals what it actually involves. And with the added bonus you get to conflate it with things like ransacking entire towns and villages and slaughtering all the inhabitants - which believe it or not are also sometimes fobbed off as "pillaging".

Muslims sure pillaged though. If religion didn't stop Islamic  technological advancement they would have built boats and went on a worldwide pillage in a minute.
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You denied that Muhammad raped in pillaged. Was that an attempt to redefine rape and pillage?

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Muhammad robbed caravans during a war.


Doesn't rape and pillage usually happen in the context of war?

Also, what war? The only war going on was Muhammad killing Meccan traders to pillage their goods, which he kept up until war became inevitable.


This is FD still insisting that forceful eviction, confiscation of property and attempted assassination is not an act of war.
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I agree that Muslims always interpret their victimhood as an act of war, hence the Islamic terrorism problem. Perhaps you aren't so different to Abu after all (don't worry, you are still not identical). The reality is that Muhammad got forcefully evicted, and spent the rest of his life on a killing spree which Muslims try to justify by the eviction.
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FD can you just confirm that actual confiscation of property, foreceful eviction out of their homes and attempted assassination of their leader are not actually acts of war, but merely muslims playing the victim?
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They are not acts of war.
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yes they are FD.
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Resisting Islam is an act of war as far as Mohammed and his sons are concerned.

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If Muhammad targeted a particular cultural/religious group under his control and confiscated their property, forcefully evicted them and tried to assassinate their leader - I'm positive FD wouldn't call it an act of war. Right FD?
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It was a feud with his own family Gandalf. There were no nation states involved on either side, and they did not come into existence until Muhammad had spent about a decade fueling conflict.
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I'm pretty sure you weren't quibbling over the non-existence of nation states when you made such a noise about Muhammad threatening and forcefully evicting the first two jewish tribes, and your insistence that retaliatory actions were justified.

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That's because I was not attempting to use a "state of war" to conveniently justify human rights abuses by a religious leader.
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I'm pretty sure you weren't quibbling over the non-existence of nation states when you made such a noise about Muhammad threatening and forcefully evicting the first two jewish tribes, and your insistence that retaliatory actions were justified.


That's because I was not attempting to use a "state of war" to conveniently justify human rights abuses by a religious leader.


Would you have justified the Banu Qaynuga robbing muslim caravans, or such after they were evicted from Medina?

It seems like you are once again resorting to desparate (and irrelevant) arguments of semantics. This seems to be a habit of yours.
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If my family drove me out of town, I would not use that to justify years killing people from that town to steal their stuff. I certainly wouldn't think to hold that behaviour up as a moral example to other people. Not sure why Muslims fall for something so ridiculous. I guess most of them don't have much choice.
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Nevermind FD - perhaps if Muhammad was intervening to end slavery all would be forgiven.

So are you now stepping back from your 'glorious resistance from the ghetto' argument you previously used to justify jewish military action against Muhammad? I think you even invoked the 'm' word to not only excuse the violence, but to argue its necessity.

Speaking of "falling for something so ridiculous" - do you still maintain that Muhammad holding up a few desert caravans with insignificant loss of life is a good moral comparison with the greatest episode of mass slaughter the world has ever seen (aka European colonisation)?
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He was murdering innocent people to line his own pockets, and built a religion around it to justify it that has plagued humanity with similar acts ever since - including slavery, right up till today and no doubt into the future.
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Islam was invented to get back the 'precious' which the Christians stole from the Jews.

...at least the Germans have coughed up their slice of the cake. Next will be the French (then Italians and finally the British  Wink).

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Meanwhile today 2020 the enemy of civilization is: muhammads' recreated  moon god cult, islam.

muslims are the worlds' highest listed religious terrorist organizations.

muslims are an almost insurmountable world refugee problem.

muslims have reduced the homeland of their cult to a pile of worthless rubble.

muslims murder their children with war and refugee trauma.

muslims are a crime problem where they have sought shelter from their incessant civil wars.

I don't see any of these problems with the descendants of the white colonizers.

By their fruits they are known.

Right now muslims / islam are the dregs of society, they are a burden on the rest of the world.

The legacy of muhammad is nothing more than: depravity, bloodshed, death and destruction.

European or muslim colonization?

islam muslims are the millstone around the neck of civilization.   
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Yes.

Not the highest rated terrorist group though.

That title goes to right-wing extremists/white supremacists.

Are you a right-wing extremist moses?

I'm curious.
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moses wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:40pm:
muslims are the worlds' highest listed religious terrorist organizations.

 


Yes.

Not the highest rated terrorist group though.

That title goes to right-wing extremists/white supremacists.

Are you a right-wing extremist moses?

I'm curious.


Was that a yes, or a no?

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Reply #65 - Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:48pm
 
Don't answer him Moses. He's just a Turd.

The 'Moon Cult' you talk of is also part of Christianity and Judaism and Zoroastrianism.
All of whom stem from the original 'Sin' of the Sumerian worship of the Moon (Sin or Ab-Sin Nanna) which inspired Man to innovate 'Writing' at the Temple of Ur long long ago.

Hence the word 'Sin-Ur' or Sinner as we now say.

Mohommedism, Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism - they are all in it together.  Wink
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Reply #66 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:29pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:33pm:
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Nevermind FD - perhaps if Muhammad was intervening to end slavery all would be forgiven.


He was murdering innocent people to line his own pockets, and built a religion around it to justify it that has plagued humanity with similar acts ever since - including slavery, right up till today and no doubt into the future.


So when western countries marched into muslim countries and ended slavery - do you think the purpose of the intervention was to end slavery, or to "line their own pockets"?

Take some time on that.
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Reply #68 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 4:51pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:33pm:
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Nevermind FD - perhaps if Muhammad was intervening to end slavery all would be forgiven.


He was murdering innocent people to line his own pockets, and built a religion around it to justify it that has plagued humanity with similar acts ever since - including slavery, right up till today and no doubt into the future.


So when western countries marched into muslim countries and ended slavery - do you think the purpose of the intervention was to end slavery, or to "line their own pockets"?

Take some time on that.


Oh, I remember now. FD said Whitey ended the Arab slave trade during one of the crusades - long before Paine and Wilberforce and all those 19th Century Whigs.

FD, of course, forgets all about Whitey starting his slave trade up on an industrial scale in the New World a few centuries later.

FD's argument, however, is most peculiar. He puts his Medieval abolitionism down to the influence of Christianity.

Yes, a religion who's prophet advised, "slaves, be good to your masters"; a religion that justified the use of slaves since the Old Testament; a religion started by the Romans of all people.

FD avoids all discussion of the influence of utilitarianism, liberalism and the secular movements of the 18th and 19th Centuries. He stands his ground on a sentence he read once in Guns, Germs and Steel.

That was pre-2007, of course. FD hasn't had much time for books since he "changed his mind".

It's strange how all those books he read before 2007 got twisted out of all proportion in the newly minted, mind-changed FD.

It's almost as if he squeezed the juices out of all that knowledge, left it in the sun and ground up the sediments to form a powder that he uses to spike people's drinks with, no?
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Reply #69 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 5:03pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:33pm:
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Nevermind FD - perhaps if Muhammad was intervening to end slavery all would be forgiven.


He was murdering innocent people to line his own pockets, and built a religion around it to justify it that has plagued humanity with similar acts ever since - including slavery, right up till today and no doubt into the future.


So when western countries marched into muslim countries and ended slavery - do you think the purpose of the intervention was to end slavery, or to "line their own pockets"?

Take some time on that.



Yes, their purpose was to end slavery.  We take you at your word - you love death more than life -, you should take us at our word, too.

Or do you love death more than life to line your own pockets?


(I am sure you will take a long time mulling that)




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Reply #70 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 5:05pm
 
You don't have to be in an organization to be a terrorist. And it doesn't mean the threat of non-Islamic terrorism is not real.

Virtually all right wing terrorist acts in the last decade or so have been 'lone wolf' attacks.
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Reply #71 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 5:37pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 5:03pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:33pm:
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Nevermind FD - perhaps if Muhammad was intervening to end slavery all would be forgiven.


He was murdering innocent people to line his own pockets, and built a religion around it to justify it that has plagued humanity with similar acts ever since - including slavery, right up till today and no doubt into the future.


So when western countries marched into muslim countries and ended slavery - do you think the purpose of the intervention was to end slavery, or to "line their own pockets"?

Take some time on that.



Yes, their purpose was to end slavery.  We take you at your word - you love death more than life -, you should take us at our word, too.

Or do you love death more than life to line your own pockets?


(I am sure you will take a long time mulling that)






And here he is, right on cue, the old Saudi apologist and eight-year-old-in-a-burqa poster.

Oh, we're mulling alright.

Salaam Aleikum, no?
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Reply #72 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 7:13pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:33pm:
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Nevermind FD - perhaps if Muhammad was intervening to end slavery all would be forgiven.


He was murdering innocent people to line his own pockets, and built a religion around it to justify it that has plagued humanity with similar acts ever since - including slavery, right up till today and no doubt into the future.


So when western countries marched into muslim countries and ended slavery - do you think the purpose of the intervention was to end slavery, or to "line their own pockets"?

Take some time on that.


Are you asking me to reduce a war to a singular cause?

The west has intervened in the Muslim world many times over many centuries to end slavery, most recently in the case of ISIS. All Muslims can do in response is the "hey, look over there" trick.
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Reply #73 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 9:29pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 5:37pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 5:03pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:33pm:
Quote:
Nevermind FD - perhaps if Muhammad was intervening to end slavery all would be forgiven.


He was murdering innocent people to line his own pockets, and built a religion around it to justify it that has plagued humanity with similar acts ever since - including slavery, right up till today and no doubt into the future.


So when western countries marched into muslim countries and ended slavery - do you think the purpose of the intervention was to end slavery, or to "line their own pockets"?

Take some time on that.



Yes, their purpose was to end slavery.  We take you at your word - you love death more than life -, you should take us at our word, too.

Or do you love death more than life to line your own pockets?


(I am sure you will take a long time mulling that)






And here he is, right on cue, the old Saudi apologist and eight-year-old-in-a-burqa poster.

Oh, we're mulling alright.

Salaam Aleikum, no?

Step aside, Keyzar, let the mufti make a fool of himself - sorry, I mean let the mufti speak for himself (tee-hee...)








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Reply #74 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 9:39pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 7:13pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:33pm:
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Nevermind FD - perhaps if Muhammad was intervening to end slavery all would be forgiven.


He was murdering innocent people to line his own pockets, and built a religion around it to justify it that has plagued humanity with similar acts ever since - including slavery, right up till today and no doubt into the future.


So when western countries marched into muslim countries and ended slavery - do you think the purpose of the intervention was to end slavery, or to "line their own pockets"?

Take some time on that.


Are you asking me to reduce a war to a singular cause?

The west has intervened in the Muslim world many times over many centuries to end slavery, most recently in the case of ISIS. All Muslims can do in response is the "hey, look over there" trick.


No no, FD, just the times you said Whitey ended slavery in Arabia.

You do have a link, no?

I'm guesssing Jihadwatch. You?
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Reply #75 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:01pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 9:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 7:13pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:33pm:
Quote:
Nevermind FD - perhaps if Muhammad was intervening to end slavery all would be forgiven.


He was murdering innocent people to line his own pockets, and built a religion around it to justify it that has plagued humanity with similar acts ever since - including slavery, right up till today and no doubt into the future.


So when western countries marched into muslim countries and ended slavery - do you think the purpose of the intervention was to end slavery, or to "line their own pockets"?

Take some time on that.


Are you asking me to reduce a war to a singular cause?

The west has intervened in the Muslim world many times over many centuries to end slavery, most recently in the case of ISIS. All Muslims can do in response is the "hey, look over there" trick.


No no, FD, just the times you said Whitey ended slavery in Arabia.

You do have a link, no?

I'm guesssing Jihadwatch. You?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world#19th_and_20
th_centuries

Quote:
Appalling loss of life and hardships often resulted from the processes of acquisition and transportation of slaves to Muslim lands and this drew the attention of European opponents of slavery. The continuing pressure from European countries eventually overcame the strong resistance of religious conservatives who were holding that forbidding what God permits is just as great an offence as to permit what God forbids. Slavery, in their eyes, was "authorized and regulated by the holy law".
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Reply #76 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 7:13pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:33pm:
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Nevermind FD - perhaps if Muhammad was intervening to end slavery all would be forgiven.


He was murdering innocent people to line his own pockets, and built a religion around it to justify it that has plagued humanity with similar acts ever since - including slavery, right up till today and no doubt into the future.


So when western countries marched into muslim countries and ended slavery - do you think the purpose of the intervention was to end slavery, or to "line their own pockets"?

Take some time on that.


Are you asking me to reduce a war to a singular cause?


lol - FD you literally just did that in the very next sentence - when you boldly claimed the west has intervened in the middle east (your euphemism for invasion and starting wars) *to* end slavery.

You also reduce war to a singular cause every time you mention Muhammad and/or every war since involving muslims.


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Reply #77 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 9:39pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 7:13pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:33pm:
Quote:
Nevermind FD - perhaps if Muhammad was intervening to end slavery all would be forgiven.


He was murdering innocent people to line his own pockets, and built a religion around it to justify it that has plagued humanity with similar acts ever since - including slavery, right up till today and no doubt into the future.


So when western countries marched into muslim countries and ended slavery - do you think the purpose of the intervention was to end slavery, or to "line their own pockets"?

Take some time on that.


Are you asking me to reduce a war to a singular cause?

The west has intervened in the Muslim world many times over many centuries to end slavery, most recently in the case of ISIS. All Muslims can do in response is the "hey, look over there" trick.


No no, FD, just the times you said Whitey ended slavery in Arabia.

You do have a link, no?

I'm guesssing Jihadwatch. You?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world#19th_and_20
th_centuries

Quote:
Appalling loss of life and hardships often resulted from the processes of acquisition and transportation of slaves to Muslim lands and this drew the attention of European opponents of slavery. The continuing pressure from European countries eventually overcame the strong resistance of religious conservatives who were holding that forbidding what God permits is just as great an offence as to permit what God forbids. Slavery, in their eyes, was "authorized and regulated by the holy law".


Oh, I see. Thanks, FD. You just missed this part:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Britain

Or do you want to look at this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_Louisiana

Or this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_Kentucky#/search

This?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_New_York

Oh er, not this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_sexual_slavery_in_the_United_States

Disgusting. But how about this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa

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Reply #78 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 11:06pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:26pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 7:13pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:33pm:
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Nevermind FD - perhaps if Muhammad was intervening to end slavery all would be forgiven.


He was murdering innocent people to line his own pockets, and built a religion around it to justify it that has plagued humanity with similar acts ever since - including slavery, right up till today and no doubt into the future.


So when western countries marched into muslim countries and ended slavery - do you think the purpose of the intervention was to end slavery, or to "line their own pockets"?

Take some time on that.


Are you asking me to reduce a war to a singular cause?


lol - FD you literally just did that in the very next sentence - when you boldly claimed the west has intervened in the middle east (your euphemism for invasion and starting wars) *to* end slavery.

You also reduce war to a singular cause every time you mention Muhammad and/or every war since involving muslims.




Now now, FD says this to show how the Muslims started it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world#19th_and_20

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Reply #79 - Jan 25th, 2020 at 8:16am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:26pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 7:13pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:33pm:
Quote:
Nevermind FD - perhaps if Muhammad was intervening to end slavery all would be forgiven.


He was murdering innocent people to line his own pockets, and built a religion around it to justify it that has plagued humanity with similar acts ever since - including slavery, right up till today and no doubt into the future.


So when western countries marched into muslim countries and ended slavery - do you think the purpose of the intervention was to end slavery, or to "line their own pockets"?

Take some time on that.


Are you asking me to reduce a war to a singular cause?


lol - FD you literally just did that in the very next sentence - when you boldly claimed the west has intervened in the middle east (your euphemism for invasion and starting wars) *to* end slavery.

You also reduce war to a singular cause every time you mention Muhammad and/or every war since involving muslims.




It was not a euphemism for war. They intervened to end slavery in a variety of ways, because Muslims were incapable of doing so themselves.
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Reply #81 - Jan 25th, 2020 at 11:28am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 8:16am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:26pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 7:13pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:33pm:
Quote:
Nevermind FD - perhaps if Muhammad was intervening to end slavery all would be forgiven.


He was murdering innocent people to line his own pockets, and built a religion around it to justify it that has plagued humanity with similar acts ever since - including slavery, right up till today and no doubt into the future.


So when western countries marched into muslim countries and ended slavery - do you think the purpose of the intervention was to end slavery, or to "line their own pockets"?

Take some time on that.


Are you asking me to reduce a war to a singular cause?


lol - FD you literally just did that in the very next sentence - when you boldly claimed the west has intervened in the middle east (your euphemism for invasion and starting wars) *to* end slavery.

You also reduce war to a singular cause every time you mention Muhammad and/or every war since involving muslims.




It was not a euphemism for war. They intervened to end slavery in a variety of ways, because Muslims were incapable of doing so themselves.


Great. Do you want to show us when and where?
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An enigmatic question, dear boy. Now let's see.

I'd say Danish Anglophiles who want to kick out the tinted races.

You?
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Reply #83 - Jan 26th, 2020 at 1:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 8:16am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:26pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 7:13pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:33pm:
Quote:
Nevermind FD - perhaps if Muhammad was intervening to end slavery all would be forgiven.


He was murdering innocent people to line his own pockets, and built a religion around it to justify it that has plagued humanity with similar acts ever since - including slavery, right up till today and no doubt into the future.


So when western countries marched into muslim countries and ended slavery - do you think the purpose of the intervention was to end slavery, or to "line their own pockets"?

Take some time on that.


Are you asking me to reduce a war to a singular cause?


lol - FD you literally just did that in the very next sentence - when you boldly claimed the west has intervened in the middle east (your euphemism for invasion and starting wars) *to* end slavery.

You also reduce war to a singular cause every time you mention Muhammad and/or every war since involving muslims.




It was not a euphemism for war. They intervened to end slavery in a variety of ways, because Muslims were incapable of doing so themselves.



So they never 'intervened' by going to war?

Or are you saying that in only some instances you are reducing war to a single cause?

Is it fair to label your claim of "intervention" to end slavery (whatever that means) as having a single cause? Or is this yet another case of you not meaning what you said?
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Reply #84 - Jan 26th, 2020 at 1:23pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 8:16am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:26pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 7:13pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:33pm:
Quote:
Nevermind FD - perhaps if Muhammad was intervening to end slavery all would be forgiven.


He was murdering innocent people to line his own pockets, and built a religion around it to justify it that has plagued humanity with similar acts ever since - including slavery, right up till today and no doubt into the future.


So when western countries marched into muslim countries and ended slavery - do you think the purpose of the intervention was to end slavery, or to "line their own pockets"?

Take some time on that.


Are you asking me to reduce a war to a singular cause?


lol - FD you literally just did that in the very next sentence - when you boldly claimed the west has intervened in the middle east (your euphemism for invasion and starting wars) *to* end slavery.

You also reduce war to a singular cause every time you mention Muhammad and/or every war since involving muslims.




It was not a euphemism for war. They intervened to end slavery in a variety of ways, because Muslims were incapable of doing so themselves.



So they never 'intervened' by going to war?

Or are you saying that in only some instances you are reducing war to a single cause?

Is it fair to label your claim of "intervention" to end slavery (whatever that means) as having a single cause? Or is this yet another case of you not meaning what you said?


Some of the interventions were military. The interventions that had a more clearly defined and singular scope were not military. I doubt you could find a single war in all of human history with a single cause, but it is common for Muslims to use this sort of trick to play down the need for the west to intervene in the Muslim world to end slavery.

Yes it is entirely fair to say that the west intervened in the Muslim world to end slavery. As I recall, you recently cast doubt on this, while also refusing to inform yourself of the facts.
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Reply #85 - Jan 26th, 2020 at 4:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 26th, 2020 at 1:23pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 8:16am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 10:26pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 7:13pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 2:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:33pm:
Quote:
Nevermind FD - perhaps if Muhammad was intervening to end slavery all would be forgiven.


He was murdering innocent people to line his own pockets, and built a religion around it to justify it that has plagued humanity with similar acts ever since - including slavery, right up till today and no doubt into the future.


So when western countries marched into muslim countries and ended slavery - do you think the purpose of the intervention was to end slavery, or to "line their own pockets"?

Take some time on that.


Are you asking me to reduce a war to a singular cause?


lol - FD you literally just did that in the very next sentence - when you boldly claimed the west has intervened in the middle east (your euphemism for invasion and starting wars) *to* end slavery.

You also reduce war to a singular cause every time you mention Muhammad and/or every war since involving muslims.




It was not a euphemism for war. They intervened to end slavery in a variety of ways, because Muslims were incapable of doing so themselves.



So they never 'intervened' by going to war?

Or are you saying that in only some instances you are reducing war to a single cause?

Is it fair to label your claim of "intervention" to end slavery (whatever that means) as having a single cause? Or is this yet another case of you not meaning what you said?


Some of the interventions were military. The interventions that had a more clearly defined and singular scope were not military. I doubt you could find a single war in all of human history with a single cause, but it is common for Muslims to use this sort of trick to play down the need for the west to intervene in the Muslim world to end slavery.

Yes it is entirely fair to say that the west intervened in the Muslim world to end slavery. As I recall, you recently cast doubt on this, while also refusing to inform yourself of the facts.


Ah, so G has to inform himself of your facts, eh?

Cunning. We've looked around for evidence of your claim that Whitey went in to free the Muselman's slaves and found nothing.

Have you considered informing us of the facts you keep mentioning yourself, dear?

It might help. You've only been stating this claim for the last ten years.
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He seemed happy enough to disagree with me while acknowledging he knew nothing about the history.
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Ah, so G has to inform himself of your facts, eh?


He seemed happy enough to disagree with me while acknowledging he knew nothing about the history.


Me neither. That's why we're asking you.

Don't want to say, eh?
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I gave you a link to "whitey ending slavery in Arabia," as you requested. You couldn't change the topic fast enough.
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freediver wrote on Jan 26th, 2020 at 1:23pm:
Yes it is entirely fair to say that the west intervened in the Muslim world to end slavery.


Are you deliberately trying to dishonestly imply this was the only, or even the main reason? I know you are not coming out and saying it directly - you are too clever for that. Is it that you are scared that if you mention any other reason (like say, stealing resources), that puts the whole "whitey rushed in to liberate slaves from big bad muslims" narrative in a whole different light?





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For many of the interventions to end slavery, ending slavery was the only reason. Have you noticed how many anti-slavery movements there were in the west? Have you ever heard of a Muslim one?
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freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 12:19pm:
I gave you a link to "whitey ending slavery in Arabia," as you requested. You couldn't change the topic fast enough.


We're discussing the topic here, dear. I keep asking you to tell me about the topic.

If you won't tell us, do you want to quote the relevant parts of your evidence? To date, you've provided no details whatsoever.
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For many of the interventions to end slavery, ending slavery was the only reason. Have you noticed how many anti-slavery movements there were in the west? Have you ever heard of a Muslim one?


Is that your answer?

Let's not change the topic here, dear. Why don't you describe any of those interventions to end slavery?
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Oh come on F.D. we all know the muzzies are living in utopia, that's why all them whiteys are fleeing around the globe, a dying and a trying to gain entry into the muslim utopias - - - - --- eeeerrr, aaaaarrrr, wait up, I'll have to get back to you on this one.
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For many of the interventions to end slavery, ending slavery was the only reason.


Including the military ones? Methinks you are deliberately being vague about what you actually mean by "intervention".

Its a delicate balancing act I know FD, but you're going to have to be a bit less evasive for us. Either you come clean and admit you are reducing these particular wars to single causes (against your own advise), or you concede that the claim the west intervened simply *TO* end slavery is a gross simplification.

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Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 1:03pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 12:54pm:
For many of the interventions to end slavery, ending slavery was the only reason. Have you noticed how many anti-slavery movements there were in the west? Have you ever heard of a Muslim one?


Is that your answer?

Let's not change the topic here, dear. Why don't you describe any of those interventions to end slavery?


I think FD's sticking to a single unsourced and hopelessly vague sentence from wikipedia:

The continuing pressure from European countries eventually overcame the strong resistance of religious conservatives who were holding that forbidding what God permits is just as great an offence as to permit what God forbids

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freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 12:54pm:
Have you noticed how many anti-slavery movements there were in the west? Have you ever heard of a Muslim one?


Apparently your favourite wikipedia page has:

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Throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, slavery gradually became outlawed and suppressed in Muslim lands, due to a combination of pressure exerted by Western nations such as Britain and France, internal pressure from Islamic abolitionist movements, and economic pressures
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polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 7:58pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 12:54pm:
For many of the interventions to end slavery, ending slavery was the only reason.


Including the military ones? Methinks you are deliberately being vague about what you actually mean by "intervention".


Because there were a lot of them. Obviously I am not including the military ones, as I have explained several times already.

Do you know the name of any Islamic abolitionist movements?

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Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 1:03pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 12:54pm:
For many of the interventions to end slavery, ending slavery was the only reason. Have you noticed how many anti-slavery movements there were in the west? Have you ever heard of a Muslim one?


Is that your answer?

Let's not change the topic here, dear. Why don't you describe any of those interventions to end slavery?


I think FD's sticking to a single unsourced and hopelessly vague sentence from wikipedia:

The continuing pressure from European countries eventually overcame the strong resistance of religious conservatives who were holding that forbidding what God permits is just as great an offence as to permit what God forbids

I know I'm convinced - aren't you K??


Do you disagree with the statement Gandalf? Or are you still having a bet each way while falling back on your own ignorance of the issue?
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polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 8:02pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 1:03pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 12:54pm:
For many of the interventions to end slavery, ending slavery was the only reason. Have you noticed how many anti-slavery movements there were in the west? Have you ever heard of a Muslim one?


Is that your answer?

Let's not change the topic here, dear. Why don't you describe any of those interventions to end slavery?


I think FD's sticking to a single unsourced and hopelessly vague sentence from wikipedia:

The continuing pressure from European countries eventually overcame the strong resistance of religious conservatives who were holding that forbidding what God permits is just as great an offence as to permit what God forbids

I know I'm convinced - aren't you K??


Not really, because I read the next paragraph saying how slavery was stopped by Muslims themselves, economic factors and "external pressure".

So let's stay on topic. FD, what was that external pressure, and how did it end Muslim slavery?

This time, G, he'll tell us for sure.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 8:06pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 12:54pm:
Have you noticed how many anti-slavery movements there were in the west? Have you ever heard of a Muslim one?


Apparently your favourite wikipedia page has:

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Throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, slavery gradually became outlawed and suppressed in Muslim lands, due to a combination of pressure exerted by Western nations such as Britain and France, internal pressure from Islamic abolitionist movements, and economic pressures


Ah.
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Rumour has it that Trumpy foiled a plot by the *loony leftards of the world get America campaign*.

Apparently the American lunatics of the left, had devised a plan to get everyone to run off to the many muslim paradises under a world refugee programme.

The leftards only came unstuck, when the white-house staff became aware of the loony leftards flight, after they heard kettle drums playing in the distance, as they explained it, they heard trump trump, trump trump trump.

Now one of the staff (a former army man) became alert when he heard the loony left drill sergeant shouting LEFT LEFT, LEFT LEFT LEFT.

So he went outside and there they were, millions of loony lefties all marching towards the beach, where the illegal boats were lined up waiting to take them to la la land of the muzzies, where life is just so beautiful (well all the houses and roads have been destroyed), but the muzzies are still proud of the fact that the one decent thing they did, was, in then past they went against the core values of islam and abolished slavery of the kufir.

Well the rest, as they say, is history

I can't find a link, but I knew it was true when I read the bit about muzzies lead the world in abolishing slavery.
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Rumour has it that Trumpy foiled a plot by the *loony leftards of the world get America campaign*.

Apparently the American lunatics of the left, had devised a plan to get everyone to run off to the many muslim paradises under a world refugee programme.

The leftards only came unstuck, when the white-house staff became aware of the loony leftards flight, after they heard kettle drums playing in the distance, as they explained it, they heard trump trump, trump trump trump.

Now one of the staff (a former army man) became alert when he heard the loony left drill sergeant shouting LEFT LEFT, LEFT LEFT LEFT.

So he went outside and there they were, millions of loony lefties all marching towards the beach, where the illegal boats were lined up waiting to take them to la la land of the muzzies, where life is just so beautiful (well all the houses and roads have been destroyed), but the muzzies are still proud of the fact that the one decent thing they did, was, in then past they went against the core values of islam and abolished slavery of the kufir.

Well the rest, as they say, is history

I can't find a link, but I knew it was true when I read the bit about muzzies lead the world in abolishing slavery.


Sure, but that was FD's source, you can't trust that. Why do you think we've been asking FD to give us examples?

He can tell us about Whitey saving Darkie from the Muselman's heinous sex slavery, gays from being executed for doing it Mardi Gras-style, 8 year old schoolgirls from being shot in the back of the head for being caught in school, you name it. FD can say whatever he likes.

That's his right in a free country, no? FD is free to tell us as many porkies as he likes.

If he gets caught, he can ask us if we prefix everything we say as being the truth, then start threads about Muslims being so unfair for asking him why he's telling fibs.
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freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 9:08pm:
Because there were a lot of them. Obviously I am not including the military ones, as I have explained several times already.


You have explained nothing FD. All you have done in this thread is deliberately obfuscate the word 'intervention', such that even now we have no idea what you mean by this concept of western intervention *to* end muslim slavery. Especially so since you are now categorically ruling out any military intervention.

And the best you can come up with to substantiate this is a vague and unsourced claim in wikipedia about "continuing pressure" from Europe that "overcame" (whatever that means) muslims and their slaving.

The reason for this evasiveness is not hard to understand of course. The moment you start to elaborate in any detail about the nature of western intervention, we quickly get neck deep in the murky waters of colonialism and empire - in which strategic control and resource exploitation were the main considerations.

You also can't spend 5 minutes exploring the decline of Islamic slavery without running into the arguments pointing out the role played by internal forces - laws and edicts made by the Ottoman Caliph - and yes, Islamic abolitionist movements. The fact that your own evidence goes on to elaborate on all those things says all there needs to be said about your habit of cherrypicking articles and oversimplifying complex topics into mindless memes.

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Do you know the name of any Islamic abolitionist movements?


No. And yet, the very same article that you present as gospel truth in its claim about European pressure "overcoming" muslim slavery, states that they were there and they helped end slavery.

So I'm afraid you're not going to get far in the credibility stakes by attempting to rubbish this claim. Not until you also rubbish all other claims in the article.

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Do you disagree with the statement Gandalf? Or are you still having a bet each way while falling back on your own ignorance of the issue?


Its impossible for any objective person to agree or disagree with it - because it is so vague that it is neither here nor there. What "pressure" exactly? What activity did this involve? What does it mean by "overcome"? Not even you can explain it. On top of that there isn't even any source for the claim. So yes, of course I "fall back on my own ignorance" - because neither you or the article gives us anything to form an informed opinion on the matter. Sure, I could go and do my own independent research on the topic, but thats not the point. The point is, it is your claim which you are attempting to substantiate to us, and the one piece of evidence you provide is entirely inadequate.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 28th, 2020 at 10:48pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 9:08pm:
Because there were a lot of them. Obviously I am not including the military ones, as I have explained several times already.


You have explained nothing FD. All you have done in this thread is deliberately obfuscate the word 'intervention', such that even now we have no idea what you mean by this concept of western intervention *to* end muslim slavery. Especially so since you are now categorically ruling out any military intervention.

And the best you can come up with to substantiate this is a vague and unsourced claim in wikipedia about "continuing pressure" from Europe that "overcame" (whatever that means) muslims and their slaving.

The reason for this evasiveness is not hard to understand of course. The moment you start to elaborate in any detail about the nature of western intervention, we quickly get neck deep in the murky waters of colonialism and empire - in which strategic control and resource exploitation were the main considerations.

You also can't spend 5 minutes exploring the decline of Islamic slavery without running into the arguments pointing out the role played by internal forces - laws and edicts made by the Ottoman Caliph - and yes, Islamic abolitionist movements. The fact that your own evidence goes on to elaborate on all those things says all there needs to be said about your habit of cherrypicking articles and oversimplifying complex topics into mindless memes.

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Do you know the name of any Islamic abolitionist movements?


No. And yet, the very same article that you present as gospel truth in its claim about European pressure "overcoming" muslim slavery, states that they were there and they helped end slavery.

So I'm afraid you're not going to get far in the credibility stakes by attempting to rubbish this claim. Not until you also rubbish all other claims in the article.

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Do you disagree with the statement Gandalf? Or are you still having a bet each way while falling back on your own ignorance of the issue?


Its impossible for any objective person to agree or disagree with it - because it is so vague that it is neither here nor there. What "pressure" exactly? What activity did this involve? What does it mean by "overcome"? Not even you can explain it. On top of that there isn't even any source for the claim. So yes, of course I "fall back on my own ignorance" - because neither you or the article gives us anything to form an informed opinion on the matter. Sure, I could go and do my own independent research on the topic, but thats not the point. The point is, it is your claim which you are attempting to substantiate to us, and the one piece of evidence you provide is entirely inadequate.


Gandalf you quoted from my Wikipedia link on the west intervening to end slavery. Now you pretend to not know what we are talking about. You can't have it both ways.
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freediver wrote on Jan 29th, 2020 at 8:12am:
Gandalf you quoted from my Wikipedia link on the west intervening to end slavery. Now you pretend to not know what we are talking about. You can't have it both ways.


Perhaps if you refer to what I actually wrote FD, as opposed to glibly reducing a detailed answer to inane one line catchphrases that bear no semblance to reality, then we might actually get somewhere.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 28th, 2020 at 10:48pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 9:08pm:
Because there were a lot of them. Obviously I am not including the military ones, as I have explained several times already.


You have explained nothing FD. All you have done in this thread is deliberately obfuscate the word 'intervention', such that even now we have no idea what you mean by this concept of western intervention *to* end muslim slavery. Especially so since you are now categorically ruling out any military intervention.

And the best you can come up with to substantiate this is a vague and unsourced claim in wikipedia about "continuing pressure" from Europe that "overcame" (whatever that means) muslims and their slaving.

The reason for this evasiveness is not hard to understand of course. The moment you start to elaborate in any detail about the nature of western intervention, we quickly get neck deep in the murky waters of colonialism and empire - in which strategic control and resource exploitation were the main considerations.

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Quote:
Do you know the name of any Islamic abolitionist movements?


No. And yet, the very same article that you present as gospel truth in its claim about European pressure "overcoming" muslim slavery, states that they were there and they helped end slavery.

So I'm afraid you're not going to get far in the credibility stakes by attempting to rubbish this claim. Not until you also rubbish all other claims in the article.

Quote:
Do you disagree with the statement Gandalf? Or are you still having a bet each way while falling back on your own ignorance of the issue?


Its impossible for any objective person to agree or disagree with it - because it is so vague that it is neither here nor there. What "pressure" exactly? What activity did this involve? What does it mean by "overcome"? Not even you can explain it. On top of that there isn't even any source for the claim. So yes, of course I "fall back on my own ignorance" - because neither you or the article gives us anything to form an informed opinion on the matter. Sure, I could go and do my own independent research on the topic, but thats not the point. The point is, it is your claim which you are attempting to substantiate to us, and the one piece of evidence you provide is entirely inadequate.



Slavery is legal under ISLAMIC law.  Even the BBC acknowledges that, grudgingly, after splashing around a lot of eyewash.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml


The central idea of Christianity that drove the abolition of slavery - the equal dignity of every souls before god - has NO trace in Islam and so slavery is not contrary to Islam.
In other words the equal dignity of every soul is CONTRARY to Islamic law. The supreemacy of party membership - being a son of Mohammed - is supreme. Islam is a supremacist and oppressive creed  approximated by fascism and Stalinism in our times.


Cf kuffars, jihad, jizz-ya, dhimmitude, House of War etc, etc.
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Slavery is legal under ISLAMIC law.  Even the BBC acknowledges that, grudgingly, after splashing around a lot of eyewash.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml


It is however illegal in most Muslim countries, Soren, despite what Sh'ria law might believe about it.   Roll Eyes

Slavery was legal in Australia until quite recently.  Funny that, hey?  Roll Eyes


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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2020 at 5:17pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2020 at 5:05pm:
Slavery is legal under ISLAMIC law.  Even the BBC acknowledges that, grudgingly, after splashing around a lot of eyewash.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml


It is however illegal in most Muslim countries, Soren, despite what Sh'ria law might believe about it.   Roll Eyes

Slavery was legal in Australia until quite recently.  Funny that, hey?  Roll Eyes





Thank you, we already KNOW you are an idiot Bwian. Don't rub our noses in it at EVERY turn.

We get it!!!!


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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2020 at 5:17pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2020 at 5:05pm:
Slavery is legal under ISLAMIC law.  Even the BBC acknowledges that, grudgingly, after splashing around a lot of eyewash.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml


It is however illegal in most Muslim countries, Soren, despite what Sh'ria law might believe about it.   Roll Eyes

Slavery was legal in Australia until quite recently.  Funny that, hey?  Roll Eyes




Hence the constant whining by Muslims and their apologists about the west interfering in the Muslim world.
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freediver wrote on Jan 29th, 2020 at 8:12am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 28th, 2020 at 10:48pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 9:08pm:
Because there were a lot of them. Obviously I am not including the military ones, as I have explained several times already.


You have explained nothing FD. All you have done in this thread is deliberately obfuscate the word 'intervention', such that even now we have no idea what you mean by this concept of western intervention *to* end muslim slavery. Especially so since you are now categorically ruling out any military intervention.

And the best you can come up with to substantiate this is a vague and unsourced claim in wikipedia about "continuing pressure" from Europe that "overcame" (whatever that means) muslims and their slaving.

The reason for this evasiveness is not hard to understand of course. The moment you start to elaborate in any detail about the nature of western intervention, we quickly get neck deep in the murky waters of colonialism and empire - in which strategic control and resource exploitation were the main considerations.

You also can't spend 5 minutes exploring the decline of Islamic slavery without running into the arguments pointing out the role played by internal forces - laws and edicts made by the Ottoman Caliph - and yes, Islamic abolitionist movements. The fact that your own evidence goes on to elaborate on all those things says all there needs to be said about your habit of cherrypicking articles and oversimplifying complex topics into mindless memes.

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Do you know the name of any Islamic abolitionist movements?


No. And yet, the very same article that you present as gospel truth in its claim about European pressure "overcoming" muslim slavery, states that they were there and they helped end slavery.

So I'm afraid you're not going to get far in the credibility stakes by attempting to rubbish this claim. Not until you also rubbish all other claims in the article.

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Do you disagree with the statement Gandalf? Or are you still having a bet each way while falling back on your own ignorance of the issue?


Its impossible for any objective person to agree or disagree with it - because it is so vague that it is neither here nor there. What "pressure" exactly? What activity did this involve? What does it mean by "overcome"? Not even you can explain it. On top of that there isn't even any source for the claim. So yes, of course I "fall back on my own ignorance" - because neither you or the article gives us anything to form an informed opinion on the matter. Sure, I could go and do my own independent research on the topic, but thats not the point. The point is, it is your claim which you are attempting to substantiate to us, and the one piece of evidence you provide is entirely inadequate.


Gandalf you quoted from my Wikipedia link on the west intervening to end slavery. Now you pretend to not know what we are talking about. You can't have it both ways.


No worries, FD, perhaps you'd like to outline your examples of Whitey rescuing the Darkies from slavery.

We've been to your Wikipedia article - nothing.

We've looked at the references - nothing.

We've been through all the links - nothing.

Would you like to change the subject again - or should we start a NEW thread about slavery in Islam to uncover your views?
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Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 29th, 2020 at 7:58pm:
No worries, FD, perhaps you'd like to outline your examples of Whitey rescuing the Darkies from slavery.

We've been to your Wikipedia article - nothing.

We've looked at the references - nothing.

We've been through all the links - nothing.

Would you like to change the subject again - or should we start a NEW thread about slavery in Islam to uncover your views?


FD's still working out how he can deal with the fact that the same wiki page that he cites for his 'whitey ended slavery in Arabia' claim - directly contradicts the claim by referencing other factors including the role of muslim abolitionist movements.

He also can't possibly delve any deeper into the actual history of European intervention, as it would open the pandoras box of oppression and exploitation the Europeans unleashed during the colonialism. Doing so would obviously be problematic for such a simplistic kindergarten meme like "the west intervened to end muslim slavery". Even FD recognises this.
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I deal with it by quoting what it says, as do you when you choose to be honest.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 8:02pm:
The continuing pressure from European countries eventually overcame the strong resistance of religious conservatives who were holding that forbidding what God permits is just as great an offence as to permit what God forbids



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freediver wrote on Jan 29th, 2020 at 9:50pm:
I deal with it by quoting what it says, as do you when you choose to be honest.


So why didn't you quote the next sentence in the paragraph you quoted?

Would you like to quote it in full, or are you running away from the topic again?

We normally wouldn't ask, dear, but seeing as you insist upon staying on topic, please explain?
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freediver wrote on Jan 29th, 2020 at 9:50pm:
I deal with it by quoting what it says, as do you when you choose to be honest.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27th, 2020 at 8:02pm:
The continuing pressure from European countries eventually overcame the strong resistance of religious conservatives who were holding that forbidding what God permits is just as great an offence as to permit what God forbids



Do you agree with that statement Gandalf?


FD once again repeating the exact same question that I spend a good paragraph answering.
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Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2020 at 5:30pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2020 at 5:17pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2020 at 5:05pm:
Slavery is legal under ISLAMIC law.  Even the BBC acknowledges that, grudgingly, after splashing around a lot of eyewash.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml


It is however illegal in most Muslim countries, Soren, despite what Sh'ria law might believe about it.   Roll Eyes

Slavery was legal in Australia until quite recently.  Funny that, hey?  Roll Eyes

Thank you, we already KNOW you are an idiot Bwian. Don't rub our noses in it at EVERY turn.

We get it!!!!


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freediver wrote on Jan 29th, 2020 at 9:50pm:
I deal with it by quoting what it says, as do you when you choose to be honest.


But you didn't quote it all did you? Were you being honest when you chose to leave out the sentence about Islamic abolitionist movements playing a role in the ending of slavery - as well as the citation of Islamic scholars and authorities issuing bans and condemnations of slavery as the practice was winding up?
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muhammad said it was O.K. to have slaves, he said you could rape the female ones.

Am I right in saying that muhammad is not a good example for mankind today 2020?

Where do muslims stand on this issue, did muhammad get it wrong, do they say that he is certainly not a good example for mankind today 2020?
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The Bible said it was O.K. to have slaves, it said you could rape the female ones.

Am I right in saying that the Bible is not a good example for mankind today 2020?

Where do Christians stand on this issue, did the Bible get it wrong, do they say that he is certainly not a good example for mankind today 2020?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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I reiterate.

Dishonesty requires that the apologists and others always try and equate islam with the Judaeo - Christian beliefs.

When the degeneracy of islam is quoted, these apologists invariably try and fall back on the excuse that O.T. texts of about 4000 odd years ago, was just as bad as the present day sharia law of the muslims.

Well so far they are right, what they never tell you is:

Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

Deuteronomy 12:9 For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.

The Jews take this to mean that the many evil deeds the Hebrews pursued in the taking of the promised land, became null and void once they gained the promised land

They also fail to tell us that the N.T. tells Christians:

Luke 16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

Puts a clear time frame on the ancient Mosaic law, it became redundant 2020 years ago.

As verified by the following:

Rom 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

So the conclusion is?

The Jews and Christians long ago gave up their barbaric ways, as decreed by their books.

islam is still in the dark dim past, raping torturing and murdering people as an offering to their satanic god allah.

Obviously islam is the dregs, when it comes to societal rules and regulations.

But then again we all know that, it's just one more proof that the loony left will say and do anything to try and destroy us from within.
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moses wrote on Jan 31st, 2020 at 4:04pm:
I reiterate.

Dishonesty requires that the apologists and others always try and equate islam with the Judaeo - Christian beliefs.

When the degeneracy of islam is quoted, these apologists invariably try and fall back on the excuse that O.T. texts of about 4000 odd years ago, was just as bad as the present day sharia law of the muslims.

Well so far they are right, what they never tell you is:

Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

Deuteronomy 12:9 For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.

The Jews take this to mean that the many evil deeds the Hebrews pursued in the taking of the promised land, became null and void once they gained the promised land

They also fail to tell us that the N.T. tells Christians:

Luke 16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

Puts a clear time frame on the ancient Mosaic law, it became redundant 2020 years ago.

As verified by the following:

Rom 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

So the conclusion is?

The Jews and Christians long ago gave up their barbaric ways, as decreed by their books.

islam is still in the dark dim past, raping torturing and murdering people as an offering to their satanic god allah.

Obviously islam is the dregs, when it comes to societal rules and regulations.

But then again we all know that, it's just one more proof that the loony left will say and do anything to try and destroy us from within.


I thought you maintained that Christians don't pay attention to the Old Testament, Moses?  Tsk, tsk, another lie exposed, hey?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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moses wrote on Jan 31st, 2020 at 4:04pm:
I reiterate.

Dishonesty requires that the apologists and others always try and equate islam with the Judaeo - Christian beliefs.

When the degeneracy of islam is quoted, these apologists invariably try and fall back on the excuse that O.T. texts of about 4000 odd years ago, was just as bad as the present day sharia law of the muslims.

Well so far they are right, what they never tell you is:

Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

Deuteronomy 12:9 For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.

The Jews take this to mean that the many evil deeds the Hebrews pursued in the taking of the promised land, became null and void once they gained the promised land

They also fail to tell us that the N.T. tells Christians:

Luke 16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

Puts a clear time frame on the ancient Mosaic law, it became redundant 2020 years ago.

As verified by the following:

Rom 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

So the conclusion is?

The Jews and Christians long ago gave up their barbaric ways, as decreed by their books.

islam is still in the dark dim past, raping torturing and murdering people as an offering to their satanic god allah.

Obviously islam is the dregs, when it comes to societal rules and regulations.

But then again we all know that, it's just one more proof that the loony left will say and do anything to try and destroy us from within.


Your prophet didn't say your quotes in bold, dear, that was Paul, who did indeed give up Jewish law.

Yeheshua did not: "Think not that I come to destroy the law or the prophets: I come not to destroy, but to fullfill."

Your prophet remained a Mosaic law-abiding Jew to the end. He saw his purpose as putting the law into a meaningful spiritual context that he believed had been lost. He knew this was a radical act, as he meant when he said, "Think not that I come to bring peace to the earth, for I do not. I came not to bring peace, but a sword."

You?
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Your prophet didn't say your quotes in bold, dear, that was Paul, who did indeed give up Jewish law.

Yeheshua did not: "Think not that I come to destroy the law or the prophets: I come not to destroy, but
to fullfill."


Your prophet remained a Mosaic law-abiding Jew to the end. He saw his purpose as putting the law into a
meaningful spiritual context that he believed had been lost. He knew this was a radical act, as he meant when he said, "Think not that I come to bring peace to the earth, for I do not. I came not to bring peace, but a sword."

You?


Methinks you jest, while dithering around in the usual dishonesty.

Anyway once again.

A couple predictions from the O.T.

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Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was

cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Isaiah 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my
righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.


Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the
strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.


a/.All pretty straight forward, Christ was predicted in the O.T., he would bear the brunt of all our sins,

b/.Re the sword. Sword means the word of God in Bible symbolism, the word of Christ would bring societal divisions, some would believe some would not.

Now go  to the N.T.:

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Luke 16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


1/.The law had a definite chronology it was going to be replaced by faith in Christ after John

2/. Fulfill means:
(1) To accomplish or to carry into effect, as a Prophecy or a Promise; (2) to meet or satisfy the

requirements; (3) to bring to a finish or completion; (4) to bring the conditions of a law to realization;

(5)to bring to a consummation. (6) to bring to fruition.

The law is what it says: the rules and punishments for iniquitous deeds, before Christ died on the cross, the punishment for many sins was death by stoning etc.

Now Christ died for the sins of mankind, the only sacrifice needed A.D. was faith that Christ had died for you, man no longer faced stoning etc (from the believers,the unbelievers would cling to the law and it punishments).

Of course there were various restrictions, genuine remorse, deep spiritual repentance etc.

Now go forward again to the days of Christ actually dying for mankind

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John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.


Christ is praying to God, He says he Has finished the work God had allocated to Him, in other words He has fulfilled (finished)the law.

Now go to the very day of the crucifixion:

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John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.


The very last words Christ spoke, (it is finished), from that very moment the law was totally rebutted.

Christ had come to fulfill / finish the law, he had successfully achieved His goal, the law was now rescinded, men were now justified by faith in Christ alone.

As the following tells us:

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Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Romans 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galations 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus
Christ,
even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galations 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we  draw nigh unto God.


So it's straight forward, means what it says. The harsh barbaric Mosaic law was totally defunct 2020 years ago.
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So why do Jews still follow it, Moses?
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Ask them.

You quoted the bit in the N.T. which predicted that there would be division in the people, regarding this aspect of
spiritual life.

I don't think they follow all the barbaric bits do they?

Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

Deuteronomy 12:9 For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.

They were told to stop once they had received their Promised Land.
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moses wrote on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 1:16pm:
Ask them.

You quoted the bit in the N.T. which predicted that there would be division in the people, regarding this aspect of
spiritual life.

I don't think they follow all the barbaric bits do they?

Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

Deuteronomy 12:9 For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.

They were told to stop once they had received their Promised Land.


I've asked them. They say they follow their laws because they were made by God and can't be changed.

Your arguments are Christian revisionism. The early Christians followed Jewish law. Paul broke away to reach a wider audience.

Indeed, Roman followers of Paul were originally called Paulists, not Christians.

The Bible was later compiled to reflect Paul's Roman narrative. The gospels they selected were pro-Roman and anti-Jewish.

But Yeheshua was a devout Jew and believed in the law. It's fine to promote a Christian narrative, just don't pretend it comes from Christ.
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So now Christ never said he had finished the work God sent Him to do?

Christ never said that the law had a distinct time line finishing with John?

When Christ said He had come to fulfill the law, fulfill didn't really mean to finish or complete?

Who are you to say you're right and the Bible got it wrong, that Mosaic law was not fulfilled and finished by the death of Christ?

You sure you don't play with it too long after having a pee?
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moses wrote on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 2:10pm:
When Christ said He had come to fulfill the law, fulfill didn't really mean to finish or complete?


Sorry, I'm struggling to understand how that equals "no longer applicable".

As K says, Jesus stated that he had *NOT* come to destroy Mosaic law. Continuing on from that to say '...but to fulfill it' - to me, logically comes across as "preserve and to add to".

Explain how your claim of Jesus making Mosaic law redundant/no longer applicable is not akin to "destroying" the law - the exact thing that Jesus specifically says he wasn't doing?
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Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Jesus' teachings are incompatible with some aspects of OT doctrine - eye for an eye in particular. So obviously those parts no longer apply. However, this does not mean that it is acceptable to go and poke out your neighbour's eye, just because you might avoid losing your own. What is wrong is still wrong. We just don't start a war with the Jones' every time we think they did something wrong. Jesus' teachings brought vague concepts like compassion and forgiveness into what was previously black and white law, and it has shaped western civilisation ever since.
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moses wrote on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 2:10pm:
So now Christ never said he had finished the work God sent Him to do?

Christ never said that the law had a distinct time line finishing with John?

When Christ said He had come to fulfill the law, fulfill didn't really mean to finish or complete?


That's right, dear. Yeheshua meant none of those things.

Devout Jews still separate their meat and milk and circumcise their sons. That's their law. Your prophet Yeheshua followed it. His followers followed it too.

This was central to early Christian belief. Christianity was a movement within Judaism. Paul came along and took the church in another direction.

Your favourite prophet Moh observed this as well. His problem with the religion Paul created was that it elevated Yeheshua into God. He was all-too-clear that he wanted none of that after his death.

But he did create a religion and a new set of laws. Yeheshua did not.
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freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 5:40pm:
Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Jesus' teachings are incompatible with some aspects of OT doctrine - eye for an eye in particular. So obviously those parts no longer apply. However, this does not mean that it is acceptable to go and poke out your neighbour's eye, just because you might avoid losing your own. What is wrong is still wrong. We just don't start a war with the Jones' every time we think they did something wrong. Jesus' teachings brought vague concepts like compassion and forgiveness into what was previously black and white law, and it has shaped western civilisation ever since.


Perhaps, but it's a little ironic that Western civilisation really only became more compassionate and forgiving once it started to question Christian dogma from the Enlightenment on.

The legal foundations of the West are pre-Christian. The Christian dark ages ended with a "rebirth" of Greek and Roman ideas in the Renaissance.

Our political institutions are predominantly Roman, with some Plato and Aristotle thrown in.
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Sorry, I'm struggling to understand how that equals "no longer applicable".

As K says, Jesus stated that he had *NOT* come to destroy Mosaic law. Continuing on from that to say '...but to fulfill it' - to me, logically comes across as "preserve and to add to".

Explain how your claim of Jesus making Mosaic law redundant/no longer applicable is not akin to "destroying" the law - the exact thing that Jesus specifically says he wasn't doing?


Oh boy spit three times and call me allah.

You don't understand the difference between fulfilling and destroying?

Your prophet was only interested in destroying the era of: men are now justified by faith in Christ, not by the deeds of the law. (he certainly did not want this fulfilled)

You see if he wanted to fulfill it, he would have worked towards mankind understanding that the blood sacrifices of the past were cruel and outdated, their era was successfully fulfilled and completed By Christ, from Christs' time on the only sacrifice that God wanted was faith that Christ had died for mans' sins.
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That's right, dear. Yeheshua meant none of those things.

Devout Jews still separate their meat and milk and circumcise their sons. That's their law. Your prophet Yeheshua followed it. His followers followed it too.

This was central to early Christian belief. Christianity was a movement within Judaism. Paul came along and took the church in another direction.

Your favourite prophet Moh observed this as well. His problem with the religion Paul created was that it elevated Yeheshua into God. He was all-too-clear that he wanted none of that after his death.

But he did create a religion and a new set of laws. Yeheshua did not.


Devout Jews still follow the outdated Mosaic laws.

They have absolutely nothing to do with Christianity.

They simply don't believe that Christ was the Messiah, so what, they got it wrong.

Christ came to fulfill the law, fulfill means to bring to a successful conclusion.

Christ was crucified under the laws of the Old Covenant between God and the Hebrews.

His crucifixion ushered in the New Covenant, or the era of grace between man and god.

He broke the mosaic laws many times, by healing the sick on the Sabbath, plucking wheat from the field on the Sabbath etc..

So we have, Christ was not a devout follower of Mosaic Law, His death ushered in the era of man being justified by having faith in Christ, not by the deeds of the law.

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Reply #133 - Feb 3rd, 2020 at 10:37pm
 
moses wrote on Feb 3rd, 2020 at 2:52pm:
karnal wrote Reply #129 - Today at 12:06am

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That's right, dear. Yeheshua meant none of those things.

Devout Jews still separate their meat and milk and circumcise their sons. That's their law. Your prophet Yeheshua followed it. His followers followed it too.

This was central to early Christian belief. Christianity was a movement within Judaism. Paul came along and took the church in another direction.

Your favourite prophet Moh observed this as well. His problem with the religion Paul created was that it elevated Yeheshua into God. He was all-too-clear that he wanted none of that after his death.

But he did create a religion and a new set of laws. Yeheshua did not.


Devout Jews still follow the outdated Mosaic laws.

They have absolutely nothing to do with Christianity.

They simply don't believe that Christ was the Messiah, so what, they got it wrong.

Christ came to fulfill the law, fulfill means to bring to a successful conclusion.

Christ was crucified under the laws of the Old Covenant between God and the Hebrews.

His crucifixion ushered in the New Covenant, or the era of grace between man and god.

He broke the mosaic laws many times, by healing the sick on the Sabbath, plucking wheat from the field on the Sabbath etc..

So we have, Christ was not a devout follower of Mosaic Law, His death ushered in the era of man being justified by having faith in Christ, not by the deeds of the law.



Amazing - you're now prosecuting your prophet with the charges of the Pharisees.

Interestingly enough, they couldn't get him on this, despite trying.

But that doesn't stop a devout - what are you, by the way, Moses? Christian?

You've previously denied this.
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Prosecuting?

There's no charge to answer, Christ did exactly what He was sent to do:

Fulfill the ancient law then usher in the era of grace for mankind.

All done and dusted 2020 years ago.

Man is now saved by faith in Christ only, not by the ancient Mosaic law.

You would think that all people would want to do away with the cruelty of animal sacrifice (or as in the case of muslims, human sacrifice), but no, because it's the Christians who have faith as the only sacrifice required, the naysayers all slither, scream and lie, as they fallaciously attempt to discredit Christ.

Oh well, once again it was all predicted 2020 years ago, you're just the living proof of the validity of the prophecies which long ago said evil would run rampant on earth.
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moses wrote on Feb 4th, 2020 at 2:34pm:
Prosecuting?

There's no charge to answer, Christ did exactly what He was sent to do:

Fulfill the ancient law then usher in the era of grace for mankind.

All done and dusted 2020 years ago.

Man is now saved by faith in Christ only, not by the ancient Mosaic law.

You would think that all people would want to do away with the cruelty of animal sacrifice (or as in the case of muslims, human sacrifice), but no, because it's the Christians who have faith as the only sacrifice required, the naysayers all slither, scream and lie, as they fallaciously attempt to discredit Christ.

Oh well, once again it was all predicted 2020 years ago, you're just the living proof of the validity of the prophecies which long ago said evil would run rampant on earth.


Yet Christianity still keeps the Old Testament as an inexplicable part of it's teachings in the Bible, Moses.   Make me think that Christianity is merely an extension of Judaism.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #136 - Feb 8th, 2020 at 3:07pm
 
moses wrote on Feb 3rd, 2020 at 2:52pm:
karnal wrote Reply #129 - Today at 12:06am

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That's right, dear. Yeheshua meant none of those things.

Devout Jews still separate their meat and milk and circumcise their sons. That's their law. Your prophet Yeheshua followed it. His followers followed it too.

This was central to early Christian belief. Christianity was a movement within Judaism. Paul came along and took the church in another direction.

Your favourite prophet Moh observed this as well. His problem with the religion Paul created was that it elevated Yeheshua into God. He was all-too-clear that he wanted none of that after his death.

But he did create a religion and a new set of laws. Yeheshua did not.


Devout Jews still follow the outdated Mosaic laws.

They have absolutely nothing to do with Christianity.

They simply don't believe that Christ was the Messiah, so what, they got it wrong.

Christ came to fulfill the law, fulfill means to bring to a successful conclusion.

Christ was crucified under the laws of the Old Covenant between God and the Hebrews.

His crucifixion ushered in the New Covenant, or the era of grace between man and god.

He broke the mosaic laws many times, by healing the sick on the Sabbath, plucking wheat from the field on the Sabbath etc..

So we have, Christ was not a devout follower of Mosaic Law, His death ushered in the era of man being justified by having faith in Christ, not by the deeds of the law.



Bravo - that is about how I read it too
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Reply #137 - Feb 8th, 2020 at 3:49pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 8th, 2020 at 3:07pm:
moses wrote on Feb 3rd, 2020 at 2:52pm:
karnal wrote Reply #129 - Today at 12:06am

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That's right, dear. Yeheshua meant none of those things.

Devout Jews still separate their meat and milk and circumcise their sons. That's their law. Your prophet Yeheshua followed it. His followers followed it too.

This was central to early Christian belief. Christianity was a movement within Judaism. Paul came along and took the church in another direction.

Your favourite prophet Moh observed this as well. His problem with the religion Paul created was that it elevated Yeheshua into God. He was all-too-clear that he wanted none of that after his death.

But he did create a religion and a new set of laws. Yeheshua did not.


Devout Jews still follow the outdated Mosaic laws.

They have absolutely nothing to do with Christianity.

They simply don't believe that Christ was the Messiah, so what, they got it wrong.

Christ came to fulfill the law, fulfill means to bring to a successful conclusion.

Christ was crucified under the laws of the Old Covenant between God and the Hebrews.

His crucifixion ushered in the New Covenant, or the era of grace between man and god.

He broke the mosaic laws many times, by healing the sick on the Sabbath, plucking wheat from the field on the Sabbath etc..

So we have, Christ was not a devout follower of Mosaic Law, His death ushered in the era of man being justified by having faith in Christ, not by the deeds of the law.



Bravo - that is about how I read it too


Moses is saying Yeheshua told the Jews the religion of Abraham was defunct and, from then on, they had to worship him instead.

No more sacrifices of lambs at Passover, no more dietary requirements, no more Sabbaths on a Saturday and no more circumcisions or blood covenants. Just get baptised and celebrate Christmas and Easter instead.

Oh - and he changed his name to the more Latin-sounding Jesus.

Is that how you read it, Sprint?
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Reply #138 - Feb 8th, 2020 at 4:45pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 8th, 2020 at 3:49pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 8th, 2020 at 3:07pm:
moses wrote on Feb 3rd, 2020 at 2:52pm:
karnal wrote Reply #129 - Today at 12:06am

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That's right, dear. Yeheshua meant none of those things.

Devout Jews still separate their meat and milk and circumcise their sons. That's their law. Your prophet Yeheshua followed it. His followers followed it too.

This was central to early Christian belief. Christianity was a movement within Judaism. Paul came along and took the church in another direction.

Your favourite prophet Moh observed this as well. His problem with the religion Paul created was that it elevated Yeheshua into God. He was all-too-clear that he wanted none of that after his death.

But he did create a religion and a new set of laws. Yeheshua did not.


Devout Jews still follow the outdated Mosaic laws.

They have absolutely nothing to do with Christianity.

They simply don't believe that Christ was the Messiah, so what, they got it wrong.

Christ came to fulfill the law, fulfill means to bring to a successful conclusion.

Christ was crucified under the laws of the Old Covenant between God and the Hebrews.

His crucifixion ushered in the New Covenant, or the era of grace between man and god.

He broke the mosaic laws many times, by healing the sick on the Sabbath, plucking wheat from the field on the Sabbath etc..

So we have, Christ was not a devout follower of Mosaic Law, His death ushered in the era of man being justified by having faith in Christ, not by the deeds of the law.



Bravo - that is about how I read it too


Moses is saying Yeheshua told the Jews the religion of Abraham was defunct and, from then on, they had to worship him instead.

No more sacrifices of lambs at Passover, no more dietary requirements, no more Sabbaths on a Saturday and no more circumcisions or blood covenants. Just get baptised and celebrate Christmas and Easter instead.

Oh - and he changed his name to the more Latin-sounding Jesus.

Is that how you read it, Sprint?


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Reply #139 - Feb 8th, 2020 at 7:56pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 8th, 2020 at 4:45pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 8th, 2020 at 3:49pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 8th, 2020 at 3:07pm:
moses wrote on Feb 3rd, 2020 at 2:52pm:
karnal wrote Reply #129 - Today at 12:06am

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That's right, dear. Yeheshua meant none of those things.

Devout Jews still separate their meat and milk and circumcise their sons. That's their law. Your prophet Yeheshua followed it. His followers followed it too.

This was central to early Christian belief. Christianity was a movement within Judaism. Paul came along and took the church in another direction.

Your favourite prophet Moh observed this as well. His problem with the religion Paul created was that it elevated Yeheshua into God. He was all-too-clear that he wanted none of that after his death.

But he did create a religion and a new set of laws. Yeheshua did not.


Devout Jews still follow the outdated Mosaic laws.

They have absolutely nothing to do with Christianity.

They simply don't believe that Christ was the Messiah, so what, they got it wrong.

Christ came to fulfill the law, fulfill means to bring to a successful conclusion.

Christ was crucified under the laws of the Old Covenant between God and the Hebrews.

His crucifixion ushered in the New Covenant, or the era of grace between man and god.

He broke the mosaic laws many times, by healing the sick on the Sabbath, plucking wheat from the field on the Sabbath etc..

So we have, Christ was not a devout follower of Mosaic Law, His death ushered in the era of man being justified by having faith in Christ, not by the deeds of the law.



Bravo - that is about how I read it too


Moses is saying Yeheshua told the Jews the religion of Abraham was defunct and, from then on, they had to worship him instead.

No more sacrifices of lambs at Passover, no more dietary requirements, no more Sabbaths on a Saturday and no more circumcisions or blood covenants. Just get baptised and celebrate Christmas and Easter instead.

Oh - and he changed his name to the more Latin-sounding Jesus.

Is that how you read it, Sprint?


no


Bravo.

Yeheshua was a Jew and never stopped being a Jew. The gospels quote him saying nothing whatsoever about being the Messiah, which is a political role, not a spiritual one.

Paul came up with the notion of the King of Kings. The Romans later came up with the Trinity. The Bible was compiled and edited around the time of the first Council of Nicea. Plenty of gospels and letters were left out, including many more gospels discovered in the 1940s in Nag Hamadi.

Jewish law does not end with Yeheshua. The Romans created an entirely new religion. Every aspect of the Old Testament is seen as unalterable by Jews, even the reformers. It is an incredibly intelligent book, on so many levels.

But it is also deviously cruel - far worse than the Quran. No Jew - and no Christian - would ever change this. No one is "renouncing" the evil in the Bible. Things don't work that way.
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Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 3rd, 2020 at 12:18am:
freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 5:40pm:
Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Jesus' teachings are incompatible with some aspects of OT doctrine - eye for an eye in particular. So obviously those parts no longer apply. However, this does not mean that it is acceptable to go and poke out your neighbour's eye, just because you might avoid losing your own. What is wrong is still wrong. We just don't start a war with the Jones' every time we think they did something wrong. Jesus' teachings brought vague concepts like compassion and forgiveness into what was previously black and white law, and it has shaped western civilisation ever since.


Perhaps, but it's a little ironic that Western civilisation really only became more compassionate and forgiving once it started to question Christian dogma from the Enlightenment on.


Crap. You are using your own ignorance as evidence.

Slavery for example came to an end in Europe with the spread of Christianity.
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freediver wrote on Feb 9th, 2020 at 8:26am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 3rd, 2020 at 12:18am:
freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 5:40pm:
Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Jesus' teachings are incompatible with some aspects of OT doctrine - eye for an eye in particular. So obviously those parts no longer apply. However, this does not mean that it is acceptable to go and poke out your neighbour's eye, just because you might avoid losing your own. What is wrong is still wrong. We just don't start a war with the Jones' every time we think they did something wrong. Jesus' teachings brought vague concepts like compassion and forgiveness into what was previously black and white law, and it has shaped western civilisation ever since.


Perhaps, but it's a little ironic that Western civilisation really only became more compassionate and forgiving once it started to question Christian dogma from the Enlightenment on.


Crap. You are using your own ignorance as evidence.

Slavery for example came to an end in Europe with the spread of Christianity.


Slavery came to an end in the 19th century, dear.

Do you still want to comment on your source? You seem to have given that one up.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_medieval_Europe

In the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire, slaves became quite rare by the first half of the 7th century[1] A shift in the view of slavery is noticed, which by the 10th century transformed gradually a slave-object into a slave-subject.[2] From 11th century, semi-feudal relations largely replaced slavery, seen as "an evil contrary to natury, created by man's selfishness", although slavery was permitted by the law.

As these peoples Christianized, the church worked more actively to reduce the practice of holding coreligionists in bondage. St. Patrick, who himself was captured and enslaved at one time, protested an attack that enslaved newly baptized Christians in his letter to the soldiers of Coroticus. The restoration of order and the growing power of the church slowly transmuted the late Roman slave system of Diocletian into serfdom.
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freediver wrote on Feb 9th, 2020 at 11:26am:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_medieval_Europe

In the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire, slaves became quite rare by the first half of the 7th century[1] A shift in the view of slavery is noticed, which by the 10th century transformed gradually a slave-object into a slave-subject.[2] From 11th century, semi-feudal relations largely replaced slavery, seen as "an evil contrary to natury, created by man's selfishness", although slavery was permitted by the law.

As these peoples Christianized, the church worked more actively to reduce the practice of holding coreligionists in bondage. St. Patrick, who himself was captured and enslaved at one time, protested an attack that enslaved newly baptized Christians in his letter to the soldiers of Coroticus. The restoration of order and the growing power of the church slowly transmuted the late Roman slave system of Diocletian into serfdom.


I see. So they turned them into serfs instead. Cunning, no?

But I'm curious. What did they think of enslaving people from other religions?

You should know that answer to that one, FD. This is your subject of choice: Freeeedom and slavery of decent white people everywhere.
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FD? You've gone.

When you come back, will we get to hear your answer?

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As with slaves, serfs could be bought, sold, or traded (with some limitations as they generally could be sold only together with land, with the exception of the kholops in Russia and villeins in gross in England who could be traded like regular slaves), abused with no rights over their own bodies, could not leave the land they were bound to, and could marry only with their lord's permission.
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Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 9th, 2020 at 11:43am:
freediver wrote on Feb 9th, 2020 at 11:26am:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_medieval_Europe

In the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire, slaves became quite rare by the first half of the 7th century[1] A shift in the view of slavery is noticed, which by the 10th century transformed gradually a slave-object into a slave-subject.[2] From 11th century, semi-feudal relations largely replaced slavery, seen as "an evil contrary to natury, created by man's selfishness", although slavery was permitted by the law.

As these peoples Christianized, the church worked more actively to reduce the practice of holding coreligionists in bondage. St. Patrick, who himself was captured and enslaved at one time, protested an attack that enslaved newly baptized Christians in his letter to the soldiers of Coroticus. The restoration of order and the growing power of the church slowly transmuted the late Roman slave system of Diocletian into serfdom.


I see. So they turned them into serfs instead. Cunning, no?

But I'm curious. What did they think of enslaving people from other religions?

You should know that answer to that one, FD. This is your subject of choice: Freeeedom and slavery of decent white people everywhere.


Eventually, Europeans brought about the eradication of all forms of slavery around the world.

The Muslims bitched and moaned about western interference in their affairs.

I highlighted the relevant part for you.
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freediver wrote on Feb 9th, 2020 at 12:12pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 9th, 2020 at 11:43am:
freediver wrote on Feb 9th, 2020 at 11:26am:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_medieval_Europe

In the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire, slaves became quite rare by the first half of the 7th century[1] A shift in the view of slavery is noticed, which by the 10th century transformed gradually a slave-object into a slave-subject.[2] From 11th century, semi-feudal relations largely replaced slavery, seen as "an evil contrary to natury, created by man's selfishness", although slavery was permitted by the law.

As these peoples Christianized, the church worked more actively to reduce the practice of holding coreligionists in bondage. St. Patrick, who himself was captured and enslaved at one time, protested an attack that enslaved newly baptized Christians in his letter to the soldiers of Coroticus. The restoration of order and the growing power of the church slowly transmuted the late Roman slave system of Diocletian into serfdom.


I see. So they turned them into serfs instead. Cunning, no?

But I'm curious. What did they think of enslaving people from other religions?

You should know that answer to that one, FD. This is your subject of choice: Freeeedom and slavery of decent white people everywhere.


Eventually, Europeans brought about the eradication of all forms of slavery around the world.

The Muslims bitched and moaned about western interference in their affairs.

I highlighted the relevant part for you.


You most certainly did, dear. Can you tell us what serfdom was?

Yes, we know it's an FD form of Freeeeedom, but can you be a little more specific?

When you're finished there, would you like to tell us when Mother banned slavery?

Then, one last question, can you tell us when the Muselman banned slavery?

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Bravo.

Yeheshua was a Jew and never stopped being a Jew. The gospels quote him saying nothing whatsoever about being the Messiah, which is a political role, not a spiritual one.

Paul came up with the notion of the King of Kings. The Romans later came up with the Trinity. The Bible was compiled and edited around the time of the first Council of Nicea. Plenty of gospels and letters were left out, including many more gospels discovered in the 1940s in Nag Hamadi.

Jewish law does not end with Yeheshua. The Romans created an entirely new religion. Every aspect of the Old Testament is seen as unalterable by Jews, even the reformers. It is an incredibly intelligent book, on so many levels.

But it is also deviously cruel - far worse than the Quran. No Jew - and no Christian - would ever change this. [bNo one is "renouncing" the evil in the Bible.[/b Things don't work that way.


Oh boy how they sneak around.

The bad bits of the Law contained in the O.T., which were barbaric by todays' standards, were renounced, by Christ when He uttered His last words on earth: "it is finished".

That's the whole point of Christianity.

Man can no longer be justified by the deeds of the law, they can only be saved by faith in Christ.

So Christianity has renounced the Mosaic law 2020 years ago.

The Jews did not accept Christ as their Messiah, but they do not follow the cruel evil bits in the Law, they use the verses from about 4000 years ago: Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

Deuteronomy 12:9 For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.

The Jews no longer stone people to death etc. instead they use the 4000 year old renunciation of the barbarity  in  Deuteronomy 12:8 and 9.

Conclusion:

The Jews and Christians did renounce the barbarity of the law thousands of years ago.

While the muslims are entrenched in the turpitude of 7th century Arabia, they are blood crazed ghouls.

The state of the birth place of islam, their lust for civil wars with each other, they are the globes terrorists, refugees and child slaughterers.

They are a global problem at the very bottom of the societal ladder.

Yet the weirdo apologists / *moderates* do not want this changed, instead they slither around lying to us that Christianity and Judaism are just as bad as islam.

Go figure, why don't the *moderate - apologist* duo of evil want to change and fix the problems muslims are to the rest of us?
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Bravo.

Yeheshua was a Jew and never stopped being a Jew. The gospels quote him saying nothing whatsoever about being the Messiah, which is a political role, not a spiritual one.

Paul came up with the notion of the King of Kings. The Romans later came up with the Trinity. The Bible was compiled and edited around the time of the first Council of Nicea. Plenty of gospels and letters were left out, including many more gospels discovered in the 1940s in Nag Hamadi.

Jewish law does not end with Yeheshua. The Romans created an entirely new religion. Every aspect of the Old Testament is seen as unalterable by Jews, even the reformers. It is an incredibly intelligent book, on so many levels.

But it is also deviously cruel - far worse than the Quran. No Jew - and no Christian - would ever change this. [bNo one is "renouncing" the evil in the Bible.[/b Things don't work that way.


Oh boy how they sneak around.

The bad bits of the Law contained in the O.T., which were barbaric by todays' standards, were renounced, by Christ when He uttered His last words on earth: "it is finished".

That's the whole point of Christianity.

Man can no longer be justified by the deeds of the law, they can only be saved by faith in Christ.

So Christianity has renounced the Mosaic law 2020 years ago.

The Jews did not accept Christ as their Messiah, but they do not follow the cruel evil bits in the Law, they use the verses from about 4000 years ago: Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

Deuteronomy 12:9 For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.

The Jews no longer stone people to death etc. instead they use the 4000 year old renunciation of the barbarity  in  Deuteronomy 12:8 and 9.

Conclusion:

The Jews and Christians did renounce the barbarity of the law thousands of years ago.

While the muslims are entrenched in the turpitude of 7th century Arabia, they are blood crazed ghouls.

The state of the birth place of islam, their lust for civil wars with each other, they are the globes terrorists, refugees and child slaughterers.

They are a global problem at the very bottom of the societal ladder.

Yet the weirdo apologists / *moderates* do not want this changed, instead they slither around lying to us that Christianity and Judaism are just as bad as islam.

Go figure, why don't the *moderate - apologist* duo of evil want to change and fix the problems muslims are to the rest of us?


Yeheshua and the Jews renounced nothing, dear. Money changers in the temple, people throwing stones at adulterers, people hassling Roman tax collectors. He never once - in any of the gospels - "renounces" the laws of Abraham and Moses.

Quite the opposite, Yeheshua specifically says in Matthew 5:17 that he came not to destroy or renounce the laws or the prophets, but to breathe new meaning and integrity into them.

He then goes on to clarify it.

Matthew 5:18
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For verily I say unto you, Till
heaven and earth pass, one jot or one
tittle shall in no wise pass from
the law, till all be fulfilled.


Matthew 5:19
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Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least
commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be
called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but
whosoever shall do and teach them, the same
shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


To suggest that your prophet meant the opposite is what the church calls heresy. There were indeed early Christian thinkers who taught just this, however. Marcion, a Roman, believed the God of the Jews was evil. He renounced the entire Old Testament. He was eventually excommunicated and had his donations to the church returned. Marcion sought to change Matthew's gospel too:

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It May be noted as a singular instance of the boldness of some of the early heretics, that Marcion, who rejected the Old Testament altogether, maintained that these words had been altered by the Judaisers of the apostolic age, and that the true reading was, “Think ye that I came to fulfil the Law or the prophets? I came not to fulfil, but to destroy.”
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/5-17.htm

If you're a Marcionist, Moses, that's fine.

Jews and Christians, however, are not. Yeheshua, as we've seen, was certainly not.

You can read what he thought of people who "teach men so" in Matthew 5:19 above.
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Ah, but we reply to you, Sprint. We're friends, you see.

No one is ignored. No one is on the outer. No one is excluded.

We are all one, no?
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I find blame muslims for islam
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freediver wrote on Feb 9th, 2020 at 8:26am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 3rd, 2020 at 12:18am:
freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 5:40pm:
Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Jesus' teachings are incompatible with some aspects of OT doctrine - eye for an eye in particular. So obviously those parts no longer apply. However, this does not mean that it is acceptable to go and poke out your neighbour's eye, just because you might avoid losing your own. What is wrong is still wrong. We just don't start a war with the Jones' every time we think they did something wrong. Jesus' teachings brought vague concepts like compassion and forgiveness into what was previously black and white law, and it has shaped western civilisation ever since.


Perhaps, but it's a little ironic that Western civilisation really only became more compassionate and forgiving once it started to question Christian dogma from the Enlightenment on.


Crap. You are using your own ignorance as evidence.

Slavery for example came to an end in Europe with the spread of Christianity.


Christianity had no problem setting up the biggest slave trade the world had ever seen - long after it had been ditched in Europe. Do you think your selective meme about 'christianity ended slavery' hits something of a road bump when you acknowledge that for a couple of centuries global slavery actually expanded under christian rule?
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polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2020 at 8:05pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 9th, 2020 at 8:26am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 3rd, 2020 at 12:18am:
freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 5:40pm:
Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Jesus' teachings are incompatible with some aspects of OT doctrine - eye for an eye in particular. So obviously those parts no longer apply. However, this does not mean that it is acceptable to go and poke out your neighbour's eye, just because you might avoid losing your own. What is wrong is still wrong. We just don't start a war with the Jones' every time we think they did something wrong. Jesus' teachings brought vague concepts like compassion and forgiveness into what was previously black and white law, and it has shaped western civilisation ever since.


Perhaps, but it's a little ironic that Western civilisation really only became more compassionate and forgiving once it started to question Christian dogma from the Enlightenment on.


Crap. You are using your own ignorance as evidence.

Slavery for example came to an end in Europe with the spread of Christianity.


Christianity had no problem setting up the biggest slave trade the world had ever seen - long after it had been ditched in Europe. Do you think your selective meme about 'christianity ended slavery' hits something of a road bump when you acknowledge that for a couple of centuries global slavery actually expanded under christian rule?


How exactly did Christianity set that up?
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How exactly did Christianity set that up?


Spain and all the rest of the European states that set up the greatest slave trade the world has ever seen were, by any definition of the term, 'christian' states at the time. This was well before the enlightenment

And you can't have it both ways. You can't insist that "christianity" ended slavery in Europe, while simultaneously insisting it was not responsible for its spread while devout Crhistian European monarchs were actively "christianising" the same lands that they were plundering for slaves.

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polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 4:16pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2020 at 9:10pm:
How exactly did Christianity set that up?


Spain and all the rest of the European states that set up the greatest slave trade the world has ever seen were, by any definition of the term, 'christian' states at the time. This was well before the enlightenment

And you can't have it both ways. You can't insist that "christianity" ended slavery in Europe, while simultaneously insisting it was not responsible for its spread while devout Crhistian European monarchs were actively "christianising" the same lands that they were plundering for slaves.

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Why can't I have it both ways?
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polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 4:16pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2020 at 9:10pm:
How exactly did Christianity set that up?


Spain and all the rest of the European states that set up the greatest slave trade the world has ever seen were, by any definition of the term, 'christian' states at the time. This was well before the enlightenment

And you can't have it both ways. You can't insist that "christianity" ended slavery in Europe, while simultaneously insisting it was not responsible for its spread while devout Crhistian European monarchs were actively "christianising" the same lands that they were plundering for slaves.

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Islam is not self-correcting - it cannot be.

So you 'accuse' Christianity of being as deformed as handicapped as Islam and so cannot self-correct.

As a hindu sage said, the number of Muslim lies every day is like the number of sesame seeds on your hand after dipped your hand in honey and then rolled it in a bushel of sesame seeds.

You cannot be trusted to be honest and truthful because you simply have no track record of it, sons of Mohammed. you made lying your religious tenet. Nobody trusts anything you say because you have been lying for 1400 years.

There is not one single example of self-correction in all those centuries. Islam must keep lying because it can never say it was wrong.

Unlike any other, sane creed.i
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freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 5:07pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 4:16pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2020 at 9:10pm:
How exactly did Christianity set that up?


Spain and all the rest of the European states that set up the greatest slave trade the world has ever seen were, by any definition of the term, 'christian' states at the time. This was well before the enlightenment

And you can't have it both ways. You can't insist that "christianity" ended slavery in Europe, while simultaneously insisting it was not responsible for its spread while devout Crhistian European monarchs were actively "christianising" the same lands that they were plundering for slaves.

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Why can't I have it both ways?


Because you would be a hypocrite. And I just know you don't want to be one of those FD.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 5:57pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 5:07pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 4:16pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2020 at 9:10pm:
How exactly did Christianity set that up?


Spain and all the rest of the European states that set up the greatest slave trade the world has ever seen were, by any definition of the term, 'christian' states at the time. This was well before the enlightenment

And you can't have it both ways. You can't insist that "christianity" ended slavery in Europe, while simultaneously insisting it was not responsible for its spread while devout Crhistian European monarchs were actively "christianising" the same lands that they were plundering for slaves.

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Why can't I have it both ways?


Because you would be a hypocrite. And I just know you don't want to be one of those FD.


That would only be true if my argument was as infantile as yours. It is not.
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Caucasians blame the Chinese for diseases.

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News flash - so do the Chinese.
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Do you hold the CCP partly responsible for the spread of the virus?
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freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 6:10pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 5:57pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 5:07pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 4:16pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2020 at 9:10pm:
How exactly did Christianity set that up?


Spain and all the rest of the European states that set up the greatest slave trade the world has ever seen were, by any definition of the term, 'christian' states at the time. This was well before the enlightenment

And you can't have it both ways. You can't insist that "christianity" ended slavery in Europe, while simultaneously insisting it was not responsible for its spread while devout Crhistian European monarchs were actively "christianising" the same lands that they were plundering for slaves.

Any idea what the predominant religion of Jamaica is today? 


Why can't I have it both ways?


Because you would be a hypocrite. And I just know you don't want to be one of those FD.


That would only be true if my argument was as infantile as yours. It is not.


Good point FD. You have a far more grown-up argument - that christianity "ended slavery" in Europe, not because Christian ideology was actually the driving force behind ending it, but because societies that just happened to be Christian phased them out for mainly economic reasons (your argument). Yet when those same societies, who were every bit as christian as before, set up the greatest slave trade the world has ever known - and actively spread christianity to the same societies they sourced their slaves from for good measure - then of course Christianity has nuffin to do with nuffin. 

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polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 6:59pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 6:10pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 5:57pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 5:07pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 4:16pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2020 at 9:10pm:
How exactly did Christianity set that up?


Spain and all the rest of the European states that set up the greatest slave trade the world has ever seen were, by any definition of the term, 'christian' states at the time. This was well before the enlightenment

And you can't have it both ways. You can't insist that "christianity" ended slavery in Europe, while simultaneously insisting it was not responsible for its spread while devout Crhistian European monarchs were actively "christianising" the same lands that they were plundering for slaves.

Any idea what the predominant religion of Jamaica is today? 


Why can't I have it both ways?


Because you would be a hypocrite. And I just know you don't want to be one of those FD.


That would only be true if my argument was as infantile as yours. It is not.


Good point FD. You have a far more grown-up argument - that christianity "ended slavery" in Europe, not because Christian ideology was actually the driving force behind ending it, but because societies that just happened to be Christian phased them out for mainly economic reasons (your argument). Yet when those same societies, who were every bit as christian as before, set up the greatest slave trade the world has ever known - and actively spread christianity to the same societies they sourced their slaves from for good measure - then of course Christianity has nuffin to do with nuffin. 



That's not my argument Gandalf.
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That's not my argument Gandalf.


Here's your argument FD:

In response to the claim that western civilization only became more compassionate and forgiving once it started questioning Christian dogma was, and I quote "crap". You the segued seemlessly into the claim that slavery in Europe ended "with the spread of Christianity" - in the very next sentence.

If you're telling me that is not attributing the ending of slavery to Christianity, then you are lying.

So I then merely take that to its next logical step: that the setting up of the international slave trade should also be attributed to christianity. Especially given that aggressive christian proselytising to the same societies from where the slaves were sourced, by the same slave-trading societies, took place at the same time.

So you can either maintain the obvious lie that you actually meant that Christianity had "nuffin to do with nuffin" in the ending of European slavery - even though you directly link it to the spread of Christianity, or you can accept that the two positions you are attempting to take are hopelessly contradictory.
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I think it had something to do with the spread of Christianity through Europe, but there is a wide gulf between that and your infantile attempt at mimicry.
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The quicker Europe jilts Religion from it's future.
The better chance that Jews and Moslems from the Middle-East will leave them alone.

Germany has already done it.
What about France?
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Frank wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 5:51pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 4:16pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2020 at 9:10pm:
How exactly did Christianity set that up?


Spain and all the rest of the European states that set up the greatest slave trade the world has ever seen were, by any definition of the term, 'christian' states at the time. This was well before the enlightenment

And you can't have it both ways. You can't insist that "christianity" ended slavery in Europe, while simultaneously insisting it was not responsible for its spread while devout Crhistian European monarchs were actively "christianising" the same lands that they were plundering for slaves.

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Islam is not self-correcting - it cannot be.

So you 'accuse' Christianity of being as deformed as handicapped as Islam and so cannot self-correct.

As a hindu sage said, the number of Muslim lies every day is like the number of sesame seeds on your hand after dipped your hand in honey and then rolled it in a bushel of sesame seeds.

You cannot be trusted to be honest and truthful because you simply have no track record of it...



Which Hindu sage said that, old boy?

We're curious. We'll unpack your sources, yes?

Please explain.
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freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 7:03pm:
That's not my argument Gandalf.


Here's your argument FD:

In response to the claim that western civilization only became more compassionate and forgiving once it started questioning Christian dogma was, and I quote "crap". You the segued seemlessly into the claim that slavery in Europe ended "with the spread of Christianity" - in the very next sentence.

If you're telling me that is not attributing the ending of slavery to Christianity, then you are lying.

So I then merely take that to its next logical step: that the setting up of the international slave trade should also be attributed to christianity. Especially given that aggressive christian proselytising to the same societies from where the slaves were sourced, by the same slave-trading societies, took place at the same time.

So you can either maintain the obvious lie that you actually meant that Christianity had "nuffin to do with nuffin" in the ending of European slavery - even though you directly link it to the spread of Christianity, or you can accept that the two positions you are attempting to take are hopelessly contradictory.


G, I don't think FD's getting your argument. Can you summarise it into two or three words?

FD changed his mind back in 2007, remember. He became more like Sprint.

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wow these arguments are still going

some things never change

everyone in the know knows its indians and nepalese students who are taking over australia now anyway, moo slims are old hat  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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I try to be friendly and nice with them in my area. But it doesn't take but just a few minutes for them to fall into a 'begging request' of some sort. That's all you're there for - not to be a friend, but a means to an end.

When they get no-where in the end, they'll blame Whitey.
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freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 9:22pm:
I think it had something to do with the spread of Christianity through Europe, but there is a wide gulf between that and your infantile attempt at mimicry.


Would you agree then that the creation of the greatest slave trade the world has ever seen "had something to do" with the spread of Christianity throughout the new world?
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Sure. It had the same driving force behind it. But I hope I don't have to explain the concept of causation to you again.
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FD you clearly implied causation when you specifically used the example of ending slavery when rejecting K's claim about christian dogma being a roadblock to enlightenment.
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FD it is not compulsory to reply to someone if you have nothing coherent to say.

But I can tell you are bored and in the mood for trolling. So I'll say goodnight. Hopefully you will find something useful to do tonight.
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Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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Yeah - when the yellow men met the Aborigines up north and set up trade empires and such and taught them all about study and such - then the Aborigines mingled their blood with the white men our of pure sympathy..... that ancient yellow man blood from Wuhan started the whole thing.... so white men are responsible... principally, of course, Old White Men....  Wink
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but.... but... but...... Musselonians still use slaves in some areas and kidnap young girls to force Islam on them bodily, and expect anyone not Musselonian to offer fealty and dimi and accept subjugation by the sword without complaint since they are obviously a lesser breed and so forth...

White Western Christian societies haven't done that for centuries... besides we KNOW Musselonians, by their antics, are a lesser breed.. and an inbreed at that in many cases.

Every Old White Man should have an obedient Kaffir who will shoot any Musselonian who acts up in his presence... to protect his benevolent master....  Shocked
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Reply #181 - Apr 4th, 2020 at 9:25am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 7:25pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 7:03pm:
That's not my argument Gandalf.


Here's your argument FD:

In response to the claim that western civilization only became more compassionate and forgiving once it started questioning Christian dogma was, and I quote "crap". You the segued seemlessly into the claim that slavery in Europe ended "with the spread of Christianity" - in the very next sentence.

If you're telling me that is not attributing the ending of slavery to Christianity, then you are lying.

So I then merely take that to its next logical step: that the setting up of the international slave trade should also be attributed to christianity. Especially given that aggressive christian proselytising to the same societies from where the slaves were sourced, by the same slave-trading societies, took place at the same time.

So you can either maintain the obvious lie that you actually meant that Christianity had "nuffin to do with nuffin" in the ending of European slavery - even though you directly link it to the spread of Christianity, or you can accept that the two positions you are attempting to take are hopelessly contradictory.


FD thinks the Christians ended slavery some time in the Dark Ages.

He wasn't aware of the Enlightenment until we told him. He'd forgotten about the biggest slave trade the world has ever known. He's subsequently satisfied himself with the idea that Muslims were responsible.

For FD, this goes back to the fall of Rome and the spread of Christianity during the Dark Ages. For FD, this is when Freeedom and democracy emerged. He wasn't aware of the Roman republic and the rise of the Caesars and the destruction of democracy. We did tell him, but he's forgotten.

Remember, for FD, the entire history of Western Europe is a struggle between Christianity and Islam, Freeedom and tyranny. The West was never a backward warring mess. The East was never a civilised trading network and centre of knowledge. It can't be. This would destroy FD's entire world view.

All the porkies, you see, are there to defend FD's own belief system. This is why FD appears to believe his own porkies - he's telling them to himself. All of FD's posts on this issue are an attack against 2007 FD.

Pity he's not here to defend himself, eh?
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Christianity was invented to make Jews and Moslems embrace homosexuality.
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No matter how much crap the loony left always spreads about the past of Christianity, there is one undisputable fact:.

The Judaeo Christian based societies around the globe are light years ahead of any muslim majority society.

muslims are the worlds major global terrorist threat right now 2020.

muslims are the planets' almost insurmountable refugee problem, muslims flee from muslims as they ply their insatiable blood lust with their never ending conflicts.

muslims slaughter their own kids by the 100s of 1000s with refugee, war and hunger trauma.

Instead of having something which displays pride, they have nothing but bombed out rubble in the homelands of islam.

muslims are they only people in the world who can not live in peace with anyone.

Only they loony left want the muslims, that's very telling in itself.

islam is a death cult ideology, lunatic left ideology is best described as nothing more than total stupidity which has one goal in mind, the destruction of the western democracies from within by any means possible (a death cult mind set in a way).

The two are inextricably entwined, the loony left is drawn to islam like a moth to a light.

Only a total dickhead would keep on posting leftard apologetic bullshit in order to hide from the truth about islam.
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Shitholeistan, 2020

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The brains of Moronistan


Abd Al-Wahhab Al-Mahbashi, a member of the Houthi Political Bureau, said in a Friday, March 20, 2020 sermon that Muslims should unite on the path to Jerusalem and in Jihad against the Jews, that enmity towards the Jews is one of the identifying characteristics of Muslims, and that the Jews and the Americans are responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic. He said that the coronavirus, which he described as an "American aggression," was made into such a lethal virus in American laboratories and that it is divine justice that the countries of the world are suffering from a medical crisis similar to what Yemen has suffered as a result of its recent conflicts. He also said that Yemen and the Gaza Strip are two places that have not yet had any documented cases of coronavirus infection. The video was uploaded to a YouTube channel called Rasael. The following day, two COVID-19 infections were reported in the Gaza Strip.

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moses wrote on Apr 4th, 2020 at 3:36pm:
No matter how much crap the loony left always spreads about the past of Christianity, there is one undisputable fact:.

The Judaeo Christian based societies around the globe are light years ahead of any muslim majority society.

muslims are the worlds major global terrorist threat right now 2020.

muslims are the planets' almost insurmountable refugee problem, muslims flee from muslims as they ply their insatiable blood lust with their never ending conflicts.

muslims slaughter their own kids by the 100s of 1000s with refugee, war and hunger trauma.

Instead of having something which displays pride, they have nothing but bombed out rubble in the homelands of islam.

muslims are they only people in the world who can not live in peace with anyone.

Only they loony left want the muslims, that's very telling in itself.

islam is a death cult ideology, lunatic left ideology is best described as nothing more than total stupidity which has one goal in mind, the destruction of the western democracies from within by any means possible (a death cult mind set in a way).

The two are inextricably entwined, the loony left is drawn to islam like a moth to a light.

Only a total dickhead would keep on posting leftard apologetic bullshit in order to hide from the truth about islam.



Bwian will be along shortly.....
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Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 4th, 2020 at 9:25am:
FD thinks the Christians ended slavery some time in the Dark Ages.

He wasn't aware of the Enlightenment until we told him. He'd forgotten about the biggest slave trade the world has ever known.


FD's narrative of the rise and rise of the west is just wonderful. It reminds me of the sanitised version of history they used to give to school children in the 50s. A version that sees a perfect correlation between the spread of economic prosperity, freedom and human rights around the world, and their benevolence towards non-whites. It is an economic model - introducing free trade to non-whites benefits the Europeans economically, and this happens to go hand in hand with granting them the gift of freedom and democracy. You can't have a free market without a free society. Of course FD acknowledges hiccups along the way - but by and large, the history of western imperialism is overwhelmingly one happy adventure of showering non-whites with gifts. Of course not all tinted people were as grateful as they should have been - namely the sinister and backward muslims. And so, as you say, the narrative of this history quickly turned into a heroic struggle of civilization between the virtuous freedom loving Europeans and the sinister freedom hating muslims.

The narrative of course requires numerous blindspots to history. The two areas that I have tried (and failed) to get FD to at least acknowledge here, are the trans-atlantic slave trade and the genocides - especially in the Americas. FD categorically refuses to even mention them directly, but when he is forced to allude to them, he clearly sees them as aberrations - exceptions to the norm, that ultimately proved unproductive in terms of economic development. The slave trade (reading between the lines), actually hindered European economic development, and Europeans didn't trully thrive economically until they freed the slaves and understood the benefit of free labour. The problem of course is its complete bunkum. European economies boomed in line with the rise of the slave trade. Certain key manufacturing industries that 'made' Europe economically came about because of the import of key raw materials, that was only brought in thanks to slaves. Britain banned slavery in the early 1800s - but that was well after the industrial revolution was in motion, and undeniably thanks largely to the prosperity created by slaves in the previous years. And more broadly, the economic and political advantage the Europeans achieved over non-whites by genocides and other mass atrocities - simply cannot be ignored.
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gandalf,

In 2020, does British law allow a British man or woman to own another person as a slave ?

In 2020, does Australian law allow an Australian man or woman to own another person as a slave ?




How about ISLAMIC law in 2020, gandalf ?

In 2020, does ISLAMIC law allow a follower of ISLAM [a man or woman] to own a slave ?



gandalf,

You are a follower of ISLAM.

Yes ?

So presumably, you would know the answer to that simple question ?




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Reply #189 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 7:20pm
 
The Muslims conducted the African slave trade to the coast of Africa.
When the European ended their own participation in the slave trade  - buying slaved from Muslim and African traders - the Muslims continued and never stopped. All the Arab countries with oil are built up by slave labour to this day. The Koran allows slavery so the Muslims will never end it. Mohammed had sex slaves and had no sentiment of universal equality and worth.

Muslims maintain the idea of second class human beings - women, dhimmis, unbelievers.






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Reply #190 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 7:23pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 6:52pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 4th, 2020 at 9:25am:
FD thinks the Christians ended slavery some time in the Dark Ages.

He wasn't aware of the Enlightenment until we told him. He'd forgotten about the biggest slave trade the world has ever known.


FD's narrative of the rise and rise of the west is just wonderful. It reminds me of the sanitised version of history they used to give to school children in the 50s.   


Because it is also written in English?

Or because you feel compelled to misrepresent both of them?
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Yadda wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 7:15pm:


gandalf,

In 2020, does British law allow a British man or woman to own another person as a slave ?

In 2020, does Australian law allow an Australian man or woman to own another person as a slave ?




How about ISLAMIC law in 2020, gandalf ?

In 2020, does ISLAMIC law allow a follower of ISLAM [a man or woman] to own a slave ?



gandalf,

You are a follower of ISLAM.

Yes ?

So presumably, you would know the answer to that simple question ?






Yadda, composing yet another post [above],      ....a post which essentially, consists of me asking questions [in my post].




There are seven (7) substantive lines in that post.

Six of those seven (7) lines, in that post, end with a question mark.

Sometimes it is difficult to get others to address my questions.

But i'm going to keep asking questions,     .....from time to time.




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Reply #192 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 8:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 7:23pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 6:52pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 4th, 2020 at 9:25am:
FD thinks the Christians ended slavery some time in the Dark Ages.

He wasn't aware of the Enlightenment until we told him. He'd forgotten about the biggest slave trade the world has ever known.


FD's narrative of the rise and rise of the west is just wonderful. It reminds me of the sanitised version of history they used to give to school children in the 50s.   


Because it is also written in English?

Or because you feel compelled to misrepresent both of them?


But FD, your own Wikipedia article on Islamic slavery said it ended because of Muslim scholars, Muslim reformist movements and an unmentioned form of foreign pressure.

I'd say you're compelled to misrepresent your own arguments yourself.

You?
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Reply #194 - Apr 11th, 2020 at 6:55pm
 
Good.
While other nations and peoples lock themselves away.
The Moslems still gather to keep the Virus alive in the name of Allah.

Let's see this full armed and operational Virus reach it's full potential of devastation in a Middle-Eastern petri-dish. Cool

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e.g.
Deaths among moslems, from Coronavirus........



"This is someone else's fault.    We are not responsible for this."


That is the meme of the follower of ISLAM, whenever he suffers any hardship [real or imagined].

Because his religion, insistently teaches the follower of ISLAM,   ...that compared to a non-believer, the follower of ISLAM is always faultless and is always innocent.




Where....

'someone else' = = anyone who is NOT a moslem.

and....

meme = = a cultural or behavioural element passed on by imitation or other non-genetic means.



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"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110



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India: Hundreds of Muslims rush out into streets to prevent the quarantining of an imam APR 15, 2020.

A Muslim mob came out onto the streets at Balbhoonpura in Haldwani, Uttarakhand after a team of the health department had visited the area in order to quarantine an Imam. Hundreds of Muslims came out onto the streets to prevent the Islamic cleric from being quarantined. Some others were also to be quarantined. So far, 15 people in the area have been confirmed to have tested positive for the Wuhan Coronavirus, which includes 8 persons who had attended the Tablighi Jamaat in Delhi. The Imam and 14 other persons had come into contact with those COVID-19 patients, and that’s why they are needed to be quarantined and tested.


It just never ends, stupid bloody muslims, so retarded that they simply can't think logically.

I really would have liked the muslims to simply tell the truth about their *prophet* and his depraved death cult ideology islam.

But sadly it seems this will never happen, instead they appear determined to become infected with covid 19.

This can only have disastrous consequences for them, with their victim mentality who will they blame when the death rate overwhelms them?

What will be the reaction of the west if muslims around the globe, feverishly work to deliberately destroy themselves with disease?

Why should we use precious medical resources on them, when our own people are in immense danger?

I don't know it's all so stupid, when it could be avoided with common sense and truth.

Oh well time will tell, who knows what is just around the corner, so to speak?
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moses wrote on Feb 25th, 2020 at 2:21pm:
links don't cut it.


What a shame that you don't live by your own words, Moses.  Tsk. tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #198 - Apr 16th, 2020 at 6:15pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2020 at 5:00pm:
moses wrote on Feb 25th, 2020 at 2:21pm:
links don't cut it.


What a shame that you don't live by your own words, Moses.  Tsk. tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Way to misrepresent someone. Lying by omission and out of all context.

moses wrote on Feb 25th, 2020 at 2:21pm:
Please, where is the link to an official Australian Government site which categorically states right wing terrorism is a greater threat than muslim terrorism?

Newspaper links don't cut it.

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@ Reply #197,



In relation to anything involving ISLAM....

brian = = TRUTH-O-PHOBE




Reporting, which is critical of ISLAM, or, critical of the wrongdoing of the followers of ISLAM, [though truthful] must always be disparaged.

brian is not willing to find fault with any critical report, which clearly outlines the [common] grevous wrongdoing of the followers of ISLAM.

brian rather,    ....wants everyone to stay silent about all ISLAMIC wrongdoing.



brian doesn't really care, about the provable fact, that ISLAM is a philosophy which 1/ encourages, and 2/ makes lawful, the murder of non-moslems.

Rather, even 'broadcasting' that truth, is abhorrent to the OzPol poster we know as 'Brian Ross'.



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Evidences of the PURE malevolence of ISLAM ?    Start looking here !!!!


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Reply #200 - Apr 16th, 2020 at 7:19pm
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 16th, 2020 at 6:46pm:

brian doesn't really care, about the provable fact, that ISLAM is a philosophy which 1/ encourages, and 2/ makes lawful, the murder of non-moslems.

Rather, even 'broadcasting' that truth, is abhorrent to the OzPol poster we know as 'Brian Ross'.




'Brian Ross' is a duck, imo.

You know what a duck is, don't you !

A duck is a creature which quacks like a duck, and which waddles like a duck.



'Quack, quack, quack.'    ....he goes.

.....pretending to be a Mallard.



He even uses an Anglo moniker here, on this online forum.

But it is.... 'Quack, quack, quack.'    ....all the way.



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Allah is Greater than Corona!!!
Moslems in their millions congregate and defy the evil Satan Corona, filling the streets in praise of Allah.

They are a stupid people, for a smart religion that 'rises'.
But they breed better than the Jews and their weak religion that 'falls' for power.
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Setanta wrote on Apr 16th, 2020 at 6:15pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2020 at 5:00pm:
moses wrote on Feb 25th, 2020 at 2:21pm:
links don't cut it.


What a shame that you don't live by your own words, Moses.  Tsk. tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Way to misrepresent someone. Lying by omission and out of all context.

moses wrote on Feb 25th, 2020 at 2:21pm:
Please, where is the link to an official Australian Government site which categorically states right wing terrorism is a greater threat than muslim terrorism?

Newspaper links don't cut it.



Did he not say, "links don't cut it," Set?  YES/NO

I included the important words to get his message across.  Why are you so interested in this considering the lies that Moses/Soren/Yadda/etc like to post all the time?  Mmmm?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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snake  mouth ross wrote Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?

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I have "knowingly uttered an untruth"
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snake  mouth ross wrote Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?

Reply #495 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 9:33pm:

Quote:
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I have "knowingly uttered an untruth"


Where is the link, Moses? Where did I supposedly say that?  Just more lies from the consummate liar.  Tsk. tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Oh, dearie me.  What did Set call it?  Lying by omission. Lying by not stating the whole of a comment.  What I quoted you said, Moses.  No two ways about it.  You have decided to distort deliberately what I said.  You are a hypocrite of the worst kind.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Oh, dearie me.  What did Set call it?  Lying by omission. Lying by not stating the whole of a comment.  What I quoted you said, Moses.  No two ways about it.  You have decided to distort deliberately what I said.  You are a hypocrite of the worst kind.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Apr 17th, 2020 at 11:29am:
Setanta wrote on Apr 16th, 2020 at 6:15pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2020 at 5:00pm:
moses wrote on Feb 25th, 2020 at 2:21pm:
links don't cut it.


What a shame that you don't live by your own words, Moses.  Tsk. tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Way to misrepresent someone. Lying by omission and out of all context.

moses wrote on Feb 25th, 2020 at 2:21pm:
Please, where is the link to an official Australian Government site which categorically states right wing terrorism is a greater threat than muslim terrorism?

Newspaper links don't cut it.



Did he not say, "links don't cut it," Set?  YES/NO

I included the important words to get his message across.  Why are you so interested in this considering the lies that Moses/Soren/Yadda/etc like to post all the time?  Mmmm?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Don't be a complete moron.

Here, this is what your logic looks like.

I say: In Lismore it's sunny today.
You say: It's sunny today? You liar, I just looked outside and it's raining.
I say: I said  In Lismore it's sunny today.
you say: Did you not say "it's sunny today"? That's the important part of what you said, the rest is irrelevant.
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You need to dumb it down a bit Set.
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Oh dearie dearie me, tsk tsk, snake mouth ross is now in a tizz.

Snake mouth ross was thoroughly out debated by another member who showed his superior intellect when he outsmarted snake mouth ross by having him declare that he, snake mouth ross, was indeed a liar.

snake  mouth ross wrote Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?

Reply #495 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 9:33pm

I "lied", Soren

I have "knowingly uttered an untruth"


Dearie dearie me tsk tsk, life will never be same for our defeated cowardly, jealous, narcissistic liar.
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