polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2
nd, 2020 at 7:25pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 2
nd, 2020 at 7:03pm:
That's not my argument Gandalf.
Here's your argument FD:
In response to the claim that western civilization only became more compassionate and forgiving once it started questioning Christian dogma was, and I quote "crap". You the segued seemlessly into the claim that slavery in Europe ended "with the spread of Christianity" - in the very next sentence.
If you're telling me that is not attributing the ending of slavery to Christianity, then you are lying.
So I then merely take that to its next logical step: that the setting up of the international slave trade should also be attributed to christianity. Especially given that aggressive christian proselytising to the same societies from where the slaves were sourced, by the same slave-trading societies, took place at the same time.
So you can either maintain the obvious lie that you actually meant that Christianity had "nuffin to do with nuffin" in the ending of European slavery - even though you directly link it to the spread of Christianity, or you can accept that the two positions you are attempting to take are hopelessly contradictory.
FD thinks the Christians ended slavery some time in the Dark Ages.
He wasn't aware of the Enlightenment until we told him. He'd forgotten about the biggest slave trade the world has ever known. He's subsequently satisfied himself with the idea that Muslims were responsible.
For FD, this goes back to the fall of Rome and the spread of Christianity during the Dark Ages. For FD, this is when Freeedom and democracy emerged. He wasn't aware of the Roman republic and the rise of the Caesars and the destruction of democracy. We did tell him, but he's forgotten.
Remember, for FD, the entire history of Western Europe is a struggle between Christianity and Islam, Freeedom and tyranny. The West was never a backward warring mess. The East was never a civilised trading network and centre of knowledge. It can't be. This would destroy FD's entire world view.
All the porkies, you see, are there to defend FD's own belief system. This is why FD appears to believe his own porkies - he's telling them to himself. All of FD's posts on this issue are an attack against 2007 FD.
Pity he's not here to defend himself, eh?