polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 13
th, 2017 at 10:15am:
I'm blaming Europeans for the deaths that were caused directly or indirectly by European colonialism.
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 16
th, 2018 at 10:26am:
If an arab person travels to Europe with a disease they contracted in Arabia, its an arab disease. If a European person infects someone in America with a disease they contracted in Europe, its a European disease.
Its really not relevant what happens after that, or even before that. The disease could have been developed on the moon for all I care. Like I said, its a point in time thing.
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 19
th, 2019 at 10:18am:
freediver wrote on Nov 25
th, 2019 at 6:24pm:
Gandalf previously insisted all white people were morally culpable for the deaths caused by introduced diseases to the new world.
No he didn't.
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24
th, 2018 at 10:31am:
Also, millions of people died due to European diseases
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 19
th, 2018 at 2:05pm:
Of course - 'European diseases' is entirely logical and sensible.
And what "all the deaths"? I blame Europeans for all the deaths that resulted from their invasion and pillaging, nothing more, nothing less. What game are you playing here with the cryptic use of the word "all"? Are you trying to subtly slip in the deaths from Genghis Khan or something? 600 innocent jews in one day perhaps?
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23
rd, 2017 at 3:46pm:
I blame the Europeans for raping and pillaging and enslaving and committing genocide of the inhabitants - as well as for any other devastating effects that rape and pillage and genocide had on the inhabitants - unforeseen or otherwise.
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22
nd, 2017 at 1:33pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 21
st, 2017 at 12:12pm:
Gandalf can you explain for us your theory on blaming racial groups for the spread of disease?
My theory is that when a group of people (you can call them a 'race' if you like) invade a defenseless nation of people in order to rape and pillage its natural resources, and enslave the population, they are to "blame" for any diseases that they bring and spread (deliberately or not) amongst the natives.
Not to be confused with the scenario where diseases spread as a result of friendly traders making contact with natives in good faith and instigating trade based on mutual respect.
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23
rd, 2017 at 3:46pm:
Lets start by not shoving words into my mouth for once. Where did this talk of "races" come from? I never mentioned them. You seem to be constructing some kind of strawman with it.
The whole of South and central America getting decimated by European disease when the Europeans came to rape and pillage and enslave the inhabitants - springs to mind as a case in point.
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 22
nd, 2017 at 8:13am:
freediver wrote on Dec 21
st, 2017 at 8:28pm:
Quote:Now try again, and this time try and forget about white and black men.
You brought it up Gandalf.
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 21
st, 2017 at 3:34pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 21
st, 2017 at 12:32pm:
even though they basically discovered it because they were trying to get away from 'friendly Muslimns'?
Spanish conquistadors fresh from ethnically cleansing Spain of muslims and jews - raped and pillaged America because they trying to get away from muslims now were they? Or late 19th century Belgium - running away from big bad muslims, just happened to run into Congo - and thought 'hey what the hell, now we're here - we may as well rape and pillage the place'. Flay around aimlessly some more FD, its getting hilarious.
Do you really not know this Gandalf?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus
Under the Mongol Empire's hegemony over Asia (the Pax Mongolica, or Mongol peace), Europeans had long enjoyed a safe land passage, the Silk Road, to the Indies (then construed roughly as all of south and east Asia) and China, which were sources of valuable goods such as spices and silk. With the fall of Constantinople to the Ottoman Turks in 1453, the land route to Asia became much more difficult and dangerous. Portuguese navigators tried to find a sea way to Asia. So your argument goes - while the Spanish were trying to avoid the muslims to find a way to Asia, they instead stumbled upon the Americas....
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 22
nd, 2017 at 8:09pm:
you are not making any coherent point here homo
Take whatever scenario you like - it still doesn't alter the essential point: the Spanish gave Indians the sniffles/small pox, whatever - because they invaded their land in order to rape and pillage it. I don't have to brush up on my biology to know that.