GOOD  well deserved...he should have been in jail..

totally disgusting..penalty too small.

trump impeached, this dickheads conviction is upheld


it's a good day

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2019 at 7:43pm:




Today it's Blair - tomorrow it could be you for expressing your opinions.

I wonder if those pieces of trash who held up beheading posters in sydney got convicted of anything?

Well the chinese don't care. They just lock them up in a prison or labor camp and harvest their organs or exploit them for labor

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 19^th, 2019 at 7:47pm:



I think thats where the changes to the laws came from hammer......if they didnt break any laws when that happened.....its hard to convict... be honest mate we havent seen them since..

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 20^th, 2019 at 6:22am:



cotterell claims he is broke and only has the suit he stands up in   he also has a conviction...

so I hope with hi lousy attitude he never get anywhere near govt....


I am sorry to see you favour his kind of actions.....in which case I can only believe you would like to see the Cut their Heads off...placards back in the headlines....

you have one  you have to have the other...

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 20^th, 2019 at 6:50am:



you shouldnt get angry if you dont care what others think.... .. thats usually the point of being in a minority   you upset the bigger crowd....

as you are entitled to think hes the bees knees.... so am I entitled to believe he is a racist of the worst kind.... if anyone would stir up another Charlie Hebdo 
I would think its this guy.....

I dont believe in encouraging more hate thats all.and I will certainly not stand by and watch his kind become the norm in this country........no way!

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2019 at 7:12pm:


So we should only be allowed to mildly ridicule Nazis?

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2019 at 9:41pm:




what do you find about NAZIs thats ridiculous fd.????

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2019 at 9:41pm:


you shouldn't be allowed out without supervision.

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2019 at 9:07pm:




It is our God given right [or the right of every self-aware being] to 'discriminate' in this life.

To have the right, to choose one thing, over another.

And the world around us, to varying degrees, will judge us, for our choices.




Having     the SKILL,     to recognise and to value [i.e. to appreciate] the difference [between different things and different personal traits and personal 'inclinations'], is called 'discrimination'.


Dictionary;
discrimination = =
1 the action of discriminating against people.
2 recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.       good judgement or taste.


Dictionary;
discriminating = = having or showing good taste or judgement.



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Yadda said....
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Yadda said somewhere.....
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So instead of admitting you were wrong you would rather just sit in the corner and dribble?

John Smith wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2019 at 10:08am:

show us a pic of you Smith- that will prove about you what we all already know   -- yes!!!!!!!!!

Agnes wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2019 at 11:56am:


you don't know anything apart from what your cell mates tell you in your padded cell.

cods wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2019 at 5:15pm:



personal abuser? Is that as opposed to you, who would rather abuse someone behind their back, or have someone else do t for them?

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2019 at 6:36pm:



people should be free to believe whatever religion they want fd, without fear of vilification by morons who haven't a clue.

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2019 at 8:34pm:


I never said it was.
Why? are you going to pretend you're not going on about muslims now?

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2019 at 9:30pm:



I've had family members killed, and friends of mine have had family members killed ... no muslims involved in either case.

cods wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2019 at 10:03pm:



only if people say stupid things cods ... that's why fd cops it often

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2019 at 10:09pm:


i thought you said they only had be cautious around muslims?

Agnes wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2019 at 10:39pm:



that's FD's quote in all it's glory, fungus. Shows just what sort of low life he is. I suggest that if you don't like it, you leave.

John Smith wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2019 at 10:07pm:



even some stupid people dont throw mud all the time!
unlike yourself....

havent you noticed its the lefties that repeat repeat repeat the most inane thing over and over again..zzz


it appears its all those stupid people have got...

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2019 at 5:49pm:



groaaaaaaan  oh dear its pathetic" head up his own bum bri bri"...

happy christmas pet  I am sure you dont get many wish you that....

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2019 at 2:31pm:



he must, why else would he compare a religion to nazism?

freediver wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2019 at 8:43pm:



more likely that you're full of crap

freediver wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2019 at 8:47pm:


I suggested nothing of the sort .. i thought i was pretty clear, seems even that was to subtle for you.

So you agree with me that Muhammad had a habit of slaughtering Jews, but disagree that that was my reason for comparing him to Hitler?

Why do you think both Muslims and Nazis should be protected from ridicule?

You are turning into a jellyfish again John. Do you think both Nazis and Muslims should be protected from ridicule?

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When did I say they were equal?

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So if Nazis decided that Hitler was a prophet, you would support a ban on ridiculing them?

Is Muhammad's alleged spirituality the only difference between Islam and Nazism you can cite? They are pretty much the same, except Islam made a religion out of it?

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What is your point?

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Because they are different, or because they are the same?

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Oh dear, it appears you are trying to compare Islam and Nazism. How very dare you.

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Are you talking about camel urine? Or magic carpets?

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Yet your religion still compels you support genocide.

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So Hitler had no spiritual views?

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I think Lebensraum was higher on the list. Like with Muhammad, slaughtering Jews was a bit of a sideshow.

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And yet it somehow compels you to invent ways to blame Jews for Muhammad's genocide of them. Muslims manage to blame the Jews and claim victimhood on their own behalf every bloodstained step of the way.

Just like Hitler.

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That was just one incident Gandalf.

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No I don't. The Nazis were far more efficient and competent than the Muslims.

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I don't think the government should be dictating what counts as a proper religion.

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Have you ever seen a jellyfish washed up on the beach and wanted to poke it with your toe?

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They would still be Nazis, just pulling the same tricks as Muslims.

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Why are you afraid to let John Smith explain why he thinks both Nazis and Muslims should be protected from ridicule? How do you know it is pointless without knowing his answer?

Or do you know what the answer is?

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And genocide supporters. Tough titties, off with their heads eh?

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John is the one doing that.

freediver wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2019 at 10:34pm:




and joining your ranks? i doubt it.

OK then John, give us your impression of a chordate. Why do you think Muslims and Nazis should be protected from ridicule?

freediver wrote on Dec 24^th, 2019 at 2:24pm:


So you don't believe that Islam should be treated the same way as nazism when it comes to how much criticism should be allowed against it?

freediver wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2020 at 7:11pm:



really?you should let these guys know that!

List of neo-Nazi organizations

North America

    Adolf Hitler Free Corps (United States)
    American Nazi Party – United States
    Aryan Brotherhood of Texas – United States
    Aryan Brotherhood - United States
    Aryan Guard – Canada
    Aryan Nations – United States and Canada
    Atomwaffen Division - United States
    Christian Identity - United States
    The Daily Stormer - United States
    Hammerskins – United States and Canada
    Heritage Front – Canada
    Identity Evropa - United States
    National Alliance – United States
    National Socialist Liberation Front (United States)
    National Socialist Movement – United States
    National Socialist Vanguard – United States
    National Vanguard – United States
    Nationalist Front – United States
    NSDAP/AO – United States
    Odinia International - United States
    Renegade Tribune - United States
    Resistance Records
    The Right Stuff - United States
    Nationalist Front of Mexico[1] – Mexico
    Traditionalist Worker Party – United States
    Vanguard America – United States
    White Aryan Resistance – United States
    National Synarchist Union - Mexico

Caribbean and South America

    Carecas do ABC (ABC region Skinheads)- Brazil
    National Socialist Movement of Chile
    Kombat RAC - Brazil
    Front 88 - Brazil
    Impacto Hooligan - Brazil

Asia
Japan

    National Socialist Japanese Workers' Party – Japan[2]

Iran

    Aryan League - (National Socialist Aryan League - NSAL) – Iran
    SUMKA (Iran National-Socialist Workers Party) – Iran

Mongolia

    Tsagaan Khas – Mongolia

Taiwan

    National Socialism Association

Europe
Former Yugoslavia

    Nacionalni stroj (National Alignment) – Serbia
    Serbian Action – Serbia
    Autochthonous Croatian Party of Rights – Croatia
    Bosnian Movement of National Pride – Bosnia

Belgium and the Netherlands

    Dutch Peoples-Union (Nederlandse Volks-Unie) – Netherlands
    Order of Flemish Militants – Flanders
    National Alliance – Netherlands
    Bloed, Bodem, Eer en Trouw – Flanders
    Parti Communautaire National-Européen – Belgium
    Parti Communautaire Européen – Belgium
    Racial Volunteer Force – Belgium

Denmark

    Danmarks Nationalsocialistiske Bevægelse (National Socialist Movement of Denmark)
    Danish Front
    Party of the Danes

Finland

    Pohjoismainen Vastarintaliike (Nordic Resistance Movement)

France

    Nomad 88[3]
    Combat 18[4]

Germany

    The III. Path
    National Democratic Party of Germany
    Autonome Nationalisten
    Artgemeinschaft
    Wiking-Jugend
    Deutsche Heidnische Front
    German Alternative
    Nationalist Front (Germany)
    Action Front of National Socialists/National Activists
    Gesinnungsgemeinschaft der Neuen Front
    National Offensive
    Socialist Reich Party
    Free German Workers' Party
    Die Rechte
    IV Reich

Greece

    Golden Dawn

Norway

    Norges Nasjonalsosialistiske Bevegelse (National Socialist Movement of Norway)
    Vigrid
    Heathen Front

Russia

    Slavic Union
    Format18
    National Socialist Society
    Pamyat Nazi Party
    Russian National Unity
    Russian National Socialist Party

Spain

    National Alliance
    Democracia Nacional
    España 2000

Sweden

    Nordiska motståndsrörelsen (Nordic Resistance Movement)
    Nationalsocialistisk front (National Socialist Front)
    Svenskarnas parti (Party of the Swedes)

Slovakia

    Ľudová strana – Naše Slovensko (Kotleba – People's Party Our Slovakia)

Turkey

    Nasyonal Aktivitede Zinde İnkişaf (Vigorous Development in National Activity)[5]

United Kingdom

    British National Front
    British People's Party
    Column 88
    Combat 18
    International Third Position
    League of St. George
    Northern League
    November 9th Society (also known as the British First Party)
    National Action (2014)
    National Socialist Action Party
    National Socialist Movement (1960s)
    National Socialist Movement
    NF Flag Group
    Racial Volunteer Force
    White Nationalist Party

Ukraine

    Azov Battalion
    Patriots of Ukraine
    Social-National Party of Ukraine
    Social-National Assembly

Oceania
Australia

    Antipodean Resistance
    National Action
    National Socialist Party of Australia
    Patriotic Youth League
    United Patriots Front
    Combat 18

New Zealand

    National Socialist Party of New Zealand
    New Zealand National Front
    Right Wing Resistance
    Unit 88

International

    Blood & Honour
    Daily Stormer
    New European Order
    Stormfront
    World Union of National Socialists


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_neo-Nazi_organizations

freediver wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2020 at 10:00pm:



no one said they did ... what you said was nazism is dead and buried. It obviously isn't, you lied or you're a fool. Which one?

freediver wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2020 at 7:11pm:


You seem to be confusing my question for something else.

My question was about what you think the law should be. I am asking if you believe people should be lawfully allowed to say what they like about Islam exactly the same way as they are lawfully allowed to say what they like about nazism. It would seem pretty obvious based on everything you stand for, that your answer would be yes. The actual law, as we well know, says otherwise. And if this is indeed your position, then it would explain why you always bring up the question of criticising nazis whenever people argue in favour of these laws that protect Islam (and other religions) from certain criticism. Basically you seem to think you will be able to shame supporters of the law into agreeing that they are hypocrites (hence your original 'wedge' question to JS) - just because you can't see any moral difference between attacking Nazism and attacking Islam. The flaw in this thinking shouldn't need to be spelled out.

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 7:38pm:


The law that was invoked here is specifically about religious discrimination. No one says nazism is a religion, not even you. It is a political ideology. Whereas everyone, (except perhaps you - depending on your level of confusion on any given day), but more importantly the law agrees that Islam is a religion. If Blair Cottrel performed his little stunt to demonize communists or capitalists, or even nazis - he wouldn't have been charged and convicted - certainly not under this particular religious discrimination law, and most probably not under any other law.

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 7:38pm:


What nazis FD? You just finished explaining to us all how Nazism no longer exists. "Dead and buried" was the term you used. You mocked the idea that any current day fascists could be considered "nazis". You are clearly implying that apart from "a few clubs on the internet", there are no nazis left to offend. Islam, on the other hand, counts some half a million adherents in Australia alone, and around 2 billion worldwide.

The "moral difference" should be obvious.

If you want to make the hypocricy argument, why would you use as your comparison, the example of a group you yourself don't even believes exists any more? That makes no sense at all. However what does make sense is your insistence of always hysterically comparing Islam to nazis.

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 11:06am:


Ridiculous. But anyway, the only relevant point here is that practically all people (as well as the courts) would agree that this law we are talking about applies to Islam, but not to Nazism. I think even you could not disagree with that.


freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 11:06am:


No. And in case this is your strawman (I can't think of any other reason you would ask such a question), I am not basing my argument on the premise that there definitely are nazis out there.

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 11:06am:


Thats certainly a big part of it. By your own argument (that practically no actual nazis exist), mocking nazism won't actually offend any nazis, whereas mocking Islam does inevitably offend actual real life muslims. Is that the be-all and end-all argument for protecting Islam from any criticism? Of course not, but it spells out a very obvious moral difference which should be taken into account before you start dismissing anyone who supports protecting Islam but not nazis from criticism - as hypocrites.

Nazism against Jews is nothing compared to what the Mafia will do to the Moslems.

...ever been on a construction site in Sydney where the Italians and the Moslems are working?
Accidents do happen in the workplace. 

FD, can you confirm whether or not you have run away from this discussion, or in your favourite style, have you actually responded to this but in another thread that I'm supposed to run around looking for?

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Yeah sorry about that. I overlooked the "allowed" bit. I think it should be open slather on both for criticism.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 29^th, 2020 at 11:05pm:


I think the extent of criticism should reflect the magnitude of the threat. As you already know, Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy. People should stop being so shy in criticising it. If they are not afraid to offend Nazis, even the polite ones, why are they afraid of offending Muslims? It's like the opposite of Brian's view, who thinks that every criticism of Islam needs to be carefully wrapped in a similar sounding criticism of Christianity. It's not like the Nazis are ever going to get the upper hand again.

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Where do I "assume" that?

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It's not inexplicable. Most people, when they find out about Islam are disgusted by it, except for the few spineless apeasers. Everyone else offers platitudes out of ignorance of what Islam is, thanks in part to the turd polishing efforts from people like you, Brian, Abu etc. There are probably also some who think common sense will somehow prevail by remaining silent in the face of what they know is evil - particularly westerners who have had their liberties handed to them on a platter.

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Does it make the bruises hurt more?

Seriously, you could not be more hypocritical on this. There are literally millions of women around the world living in abject misery thanks to the dictates of Islam. Some even in Australia. Yet you have the gall to use the plight of women as a token against Islamophobia.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2020 at 4:34pm:


My leftie self and SJW wife are a part of those that don't matter. Almost no-one I know does not consider Islam a threat, it's just how much of a threat. Sure they play triggered SJWs openly but behind closed doors they are not so sure.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2020 at 7:37pm:



This simply highlights your hypocrisy, bad faith and cowardice.

You expend your spittle on the plight of the odd niqabi whose ridiculous tent is pulled from her head in the West every 6-8 months and is told not to be so bloody ridiculous - but dismiss as irrelevant the MILLIONS of Muslim women kept in abject oppression in Muslim countries on account the carte blanche doctrine of oppression by you 'major religion'.

Islam is still oppressive, supremacists, murderous and totally intolerant of any dissent within and without. No dialogue, no compromise with Submission, only submission or death.  It's in all the texts of your 'major religion'. Any Muslim sect that goes against these tenets is persecuted mercilessly.


Ridicule is the absolute minimum anyone with any conscience and moral fortitude can do to/about Islam.   Ridicule is too good for Islam, considering how murderously it's devotees respond to ANY criticism.i

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2020 at 8:49pm:

What made Islam terrible for women around the world if not Islam???

Islam is only ridiculed because it has idiots who deny its very essence, confessed loud and clear over centuries - idiots like that Sudanese bint declaring it to be the 'most feminist religion', all the gruesome murderers and their apologists calling it the 'religion of peace', you with your endless, ENDLESS jihad of apologising for the daily atrocities of your 'major religion'.

You Muslims invest sooo much energy in arse covering, no wonder you have no strength left to actually improve your sad, oppressive, dysfunctional, backward societies. (You are too lazy and slovenly and fatalistic to make an actual effort). It is easy and cheap for you to spray your spittle here rather than to actually improve Muslim societies.   And that is exactly why you are here: lazy, mouthy, useless, arse-covering, pointless. 


Go and improve Muslim societies. I dare you.  Don't get killed.


Make yourself USEFUL for a change.  You won't. Allah wants you to kvetch to the kuffar like FD, endlessly. Inshallah, innit, you lazy cowering git. It's a lot safer than talking to your gruesome, murderous and serious bruvvers. i

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2020 at 8:32am:


Don't overthink it FD. You are making your head hurt, I can tell.

Your claim "you could not be more hypocritical on this" is what is baseless. Hence 'baseless slur'. I explained why. Feel free to read it again. I'd rather you did that instead of playing another round of 'make gandalf repeat himself ad-infinitum'.

It was based on the "fact" that apparently its hypocritical to argue that mocking Islam can have adverse consequences to muslim people - particularly women - because Islam itself is already bad for muslim women.

To you that might be "fact", but to everyone else its a non sequitur. Or in plain English, bullshit.

freediver wrote on Feb 20^th, 2020 at 9:18pm:


FD, do you fight for the right for Muslim women to blame Islam?