It is false for the BOM and their activist friends to say the current heat wave is a record or unprecedented...

Quote:



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4221366/amp/Heatwave-January-1896-hit-4...

The difference between the 1896 one and the current heat wave is that the 1896 one wasn't uniformly hot. It was cooler in SA, VIC and TAS during that heatwave, not nationwide like the current one. That's why even though the 1896 wave was probably hotter in the mid east coast, nationally it was cooler.

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 19^th, 2019 at 11:38am:



Perhaps you have the data. BoM doesn't have it

Adelaide - "THE HEAT WAVE.
TERRIBLE WEATHER IN
TOWN AND COUNTRY.
SHADE TEMPERATURE IN
ADELAIDE 111°.
OTHER HIGH RECORDS.
THE DEATH ROLL.
STILL INCREASING."

January 1896
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/53680112/4095285

Victoria - "THE HEAT WAVE.
Effects in Victoria.
[BY TELEGRAPH.]
MELBOURNE, Friday." Jan 1896

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/44168314?zoomLevel-6

And Feb 1896

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/79763474?zoomLevel=6

It looks like Tasmania may have been spared.

The love of field and coppice
Of green and shaded lanes,
Of ordered woods and gardens
Is running in your veins.
Strong love of grey-blue distance,
Brown streams and soft, dim skies
I know, but cannot share it,
My love is otherwise.

I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror
The wide brown land for me!

The stark white ring-barked forests,
All tragic to the moon,
The sapphire-misted mountains,
The hot gold hush of noon,
Green tangle of the brushes
Where lithe lianas coil,
And orchids deck the tree-tops,
And ferns the warm dark soil.

Core of my heart, my country!
Her pitiless blue sky,
When, sick at heart, around us
We see the cattle die
But then the grey clouds gather,
And we can bless again
The drumming of an army,
The steady soaking rain.

Core of my heart, my country!
Land of the rainbow gold,
For flood and fire and famine
She pays us back threefold.
Over the thirsty paddocks,
Watch, after many days,
The filmy veil of greenness
That thickens as we gaze ...

An opal-hearted country,
A wilful, lavish land
All you who have not loved her,
You will not understand
though Earth holds many splendours,
Wherever I may die,
I know to what brown country
My homing thoughts will fly.


https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/slippery-when-wet-tim-flannerys-clima...

chimera wrote on Dec 19^th, 2019 at 3:36pm:


That was before climate change.

It is now -

"Three or more days of high maximum and minimum temperatures that are unusual for that location. "

http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/heatwave/about.shtml

So a heatwave in Sydney is not the same as a heatwave in Marble Bar.

More info -http://media.bom.gov.au/social/blog/891/how-will-i-know-if-a-heatwave-is-coming/

chimera wrote on Dec 19^th, 2019 at 3:59pm:



???

What part of heatwave 1896 didn't you understand?

or perhaps it is the new definition of heatwave that has you bamboozled.

chimera wrote on Dec 19^th, 2019 at 3:59pm:

random wrote on Dec 19^th, 2019 at 6:51pm:



You mean I should lie and pretend they haven't said that?

It doesn't have anything to do with their ACORN-2 "data".

random wrote on Dec 19^th, 2019 at 8:03pm:



Poor petal. ACORN-2 is the new update from ACORN-1 adjustments.

In it they adjusted something like 196 209 records for statistical reasons. Exactly how statistics can tell whether records are categorically wrong and can be calculated is not disclosed. You can't make adjustments on old site moves because the microclimate will differ. That may not apply to modern moves because they may have operated two sites siultaneously and can be confident of any adjustments. But all of those should have occurred under the ACORN-1 adjustments.

"Reason for adjustment Maximum temperature Minimum temperature
Statistical                             209                                   244
Site moves (all)                    176                                   170
Screen change or condition   79                                     77
Site condition (without move)   9                                       5
Observation time change         2                                     24
Total                                     450                                    491
Table 7 ACORN-SAT version 2 adjustments by cause. Totals do not add as some adjustments have multiple causes. "

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/acorn-sat/documents/BRR-032.pdf

BTW - Screen changes Stephenson Screens have been made smaller. It has been shown that smaller screens add about 0.6C to the temperatures daily.

Edit: Once data is adjusted it is no longer data, which is why I called it "data".

random wrote on Dec 20^th, 2019 at 7:00am:



yeah Ii know. Tough to tell whether BoM is telling the truth.

But it is from their website. Perhaps they are not like Myers and don't stand behind everything they sell.

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 20^th, 2019 at 3:19pm:



So tell me how using BoM's official guide to ACORN-2 is fudging, cherry picking or dissembling?

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 20^th, 2019 at 3:19pm:



Perhaps you can show the ones where I talk Sh!t. And give us all a breakdown of why?

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 21^st, 2019 at 10:06am:


What type of screen did they have before that. Studies showed similar screens had a difference of about 0.2C. The new smaller Stevenson Screens add about 0.6C.

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 21^st, 2019 at 10:06am:


Of course not they used mercury thermometers, now they use digital. The new digital ones are supposed to be average over 5 minutes(well it what is used in the States) to try to emulate the mercury ones. Here they are apparently "purpose built" with a lag to emulate mercury ones. However there are no design specs available or even calibration data to see if they meet design specs.

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 21^st, 2019 at 10:06am:



No but they knew the principals of a Coolgardie Safe. And people did know to drink water. Just how evolved did you think they were?

It is also why people built houses with high ceilings.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-21/1896-heatwave-killed-435-climate-scientis...

poor random chimera still doesn't know whether to believe BoM's adjustment theory for ACORN-2.

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 21^st, 2019 at 12:01pm:



As I said on the other thread I will continue to comment on your posts as I see fit.

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 21^st, 2019 at 12:01pm:


Yes and a lot of the country actually had Stevenson Screens,

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 21^st, 2019 at 12:01pm:



By the late 19th century we weren't all British. And even then British explorers had survived in hot climates in many places. They even were topees.

random wrote on Dec 21^st, 2019 at 12:27pm:



You know what petal?

That you can't adjust temperatures in the distant past by statistical means?

So perhaps as you claim to be really sciencey you can explain to poor me how changing long past data statistically works.

Did this happen in 1896?

Spot

lee wrote on Dec 21^st, 2019 at 1:48pm:


Back then with more bush and less technology they wouldn't be able to control them anywhere near now so Sydney would have burned and Brisbane etc and we would know about it

Spot

lee wrote on Dec 21^st, 2019 at 1:00pm:


So you are good with numbers?  Yeah?



https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/wmdata.nsf/activeotherresource/ABS_Logo_333/$File/ABS_Logo_333.svg

    On 21 December 2019 at 06:58:32 PM (Canberra time), the resident population of Australia is projected to be:

   


This projection is based on the estimated resident population at 30 June 2019 and assumes growth since then of:

    one birth every 1 minute and 44 seconds,
    one death every 3 minutes and 17 seconds,
    one person arriving to live in Australia every 59 seconds,
    one Australian resident leaving Australia to live overseas every 1 minute and 46 seconds, leading to
    an overall total population increase of one person every 1 minute and 23 seconds.


These assumptions are consistent with figures released in Australian Demographic Statistics, March Quarter 2019 (cat. no. 3101.0).

Bobby. wrote on Dec 19^th, 2019 at 11:35am:


Only for the idiots who 'get burnt'.
Yo'all complain about the Boongs being dried up and burnt out into 'primitive' existence.
Maybe yo'all should learn by it then.
That's why I dive. It's much better 'down there' and I'm not stealing someone else's land.

lee wrote on Dec 21^st, 2019 at 6:44pm:

lee wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2019 at 5:33pm:


Your so good with numbers Lee. 

Tell us all how many people there are in Australia?

lee wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2019 at 6:02pm:


So where did the 22 million you said yesterday come from?  "Today's population is about 22,110,000."

Greta gets the science of Climate Change, while you are denying it.  One of you is educated, I think it's the girl.