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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10958 Australia Gender:	Will the Earth start cooling...? Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:05am Minimum sun spot activity and volcanos erupting are but some of the conditions required to cool the Earth. Time will tell. https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~wsoon/myownPapers-d/Summer_of_1816.pdf
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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95522 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Will the Earth start cooling...? Reply #1 - Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:11am In the 1970s people were terrified of an ice age. Jump to 13:00. The scientist - Dr James Hayes is confident that we are heading for another Ice Age.
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Reply #2 - Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:15am

Ajax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:05am:

Will the Earth start cooling...?

Minimum sun spot activity and volcanos erupting are but some of the conditions required to cool the Earth.

No

Sunspot minimum happens every 11 years or so. Effect is negligible

There has not been any increase in volcanic activity

CO₂ levels are continuing to rise Wink

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10958 Australia Gender:	Re: Will the Earth start cooling...? Reply #3 - Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:39am Bobby. wrote on Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:11am: In the 1970s people were terrified of an ice age. Jump to 13:00. The scientist - Dr James Hayes is confident that we are heading for another Ice Age. Interesting lets hope we don't go through that ever. And there goes the CO2 theory once again.
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Reply #4 - Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:44am

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:15am:

Ajax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:05am:

Will the Earth start cooling...?

Minimum sun spot activity and volcanos erupting are but some of the conditions required to cool the Earth.

No

Sunspot minimum happens every 11 years or so. Effect is negligible

There has not been any increase in volcanic activity

CO₂ levels are continuing to rise Wink

If you really are concerned about the environment so much leave CO2 to the side for the moment, since none of the computer model predictions have come true.

Start looking into the many CERN & HAARP stsations around the world.

The CERN stations disrupt the Earths electro magnetic sphere which in turn would change the effects of the sun on the Earth.

As for the HAARP stations how many times have they tested and or keep testing this weather modification weapon, what are its effects, where have they fired it over which nations and when...???

Take the blinkers off barny, look at the whole picture.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1563081274

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Reply #5 - Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:51am

Ajax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:44am:

Start looking into the many CERN & HAARP stsations around the world.

The CERN stations disrupt the Earths electro magnetic sphere which in turn would change the effects of the sun on the Earth.

As for the HAARP stations how many times have they tested and or keep testing this weather modification weapon, what are its effects, where have they fired it over which nations and when...???

Take the blinkers off barny, look at the whole picture.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1563081274

Oh dear Ajax

You're not doing your argument any favours by posting stuff that belongs in the fringe forum
**backs slowly away**

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95522 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Will the Earth start cooling...? Reply #6 - Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:51am Dr James Hayes is confident that we are heading for another Ice Age.
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Reply #7 - Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:56am

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:51am:

Ajax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:44am:

Start looking into the many CERN & HAARP stsations around the world.

The CERN stations disrupt the Earths electro magnetic sphere which in turn would change the effects of the sun on the Earth.

As for the HAARP stations how many times have they tested and or keep testing this weather modification weapon, what are its effects, where have they fired it over which nations and when...???

Take the blinkers off barny, look at the whole picture.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1563081274

Oh dear Ajax

You're not doing your argument any favours by posting stuff that belongs in the fringe forum
**backs slowly away**

You really are a dick........!

https://home.cern/science/engineering/pulling-together-superconducting-electroma...

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Reply #8 - Dec 15^th, 2019 at 12:10pm

You do realise that the Large Hadron Collider creates that magnetic feild over a very small area and will have no effect on the earths magnetic field as a whole.
You seem very susceptible to believing psuedo science because you arn't able to critically evaluate the nonsense that these conspiracy theorists present to you.

I do find it amusing though that you are prepared to accept that the military are deliberately modifying the weather using HAARP but you refuse to believe that the rising levels of CO₂ in our atmosphere will affect our climate.

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Reply #9 - Dec 15^th, 2019 at 12:20pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 15^th, 2019 at 12:10pm:

You do realise that the Large Hadron Collider creates that magnetic feild over a very small area and will have no effect on the earths magnetic field as a whole.

You can guarantee this is the actual case, with a rubber stamp of course signed barny.

Gibberish malarkey you do not know what you are talking about once again not unlike AGW indeed, but keep on dreaming barny must be nice and cosy in fairy land.

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You seem very susceptible to believing psuedo science because you arn't able to critically evaluate the nonsense that these conspiracy theorists present to you.

I'm susceptible....?

How dare you......!

BTW that site I posted above is a legit CERN site explaining how it works, were is the pseudo science...???..please point out....... Kiss

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I do find it amusing though that you are prepared to accept that the military are deliberately modifying the weather using HAARP but you refuse to believe that the rising levels of CO₂ in our atmosphere will affect our climate.

You're a gullible dick aren't you barny.

Have you forgot the nuclear tests barny, I'm sure they would have tested and probably keep on testing the HAARP what I would like to know is over which nations have they tested the HAARP and when was it done.

Also I want to know any future testing with HAARP when and where.

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Reply #11 - Dec 15^th, 2019 at 1:17pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 15^th, 2019 at 1:08pm:

https://media.tenor.com/images/c3319a428ddf5c5a7a1478609bbf1bd9/tenor.gif

Poor little fool.

Hopefully one day she will see the truth and then she can sue the pants of the United Nations for robbing her of her childhood days.

She boats it everywhere and Al Gore and the top brass over at the UN fly first class.

Greta is a first class nincompoop.

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Reply #13 - Dec 16^th, 2019 at 5:02pm

Ajax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:05am:

Minimum sun spot activity and volcanos erupting are but some of the conditions required to cool the Earth.

Yet, it isn't cooling.

There must be something else that's causing the Earth's climate to warm up.

It can't be CO₂--that's just a Reptoid globalist conspiracy.

Maybe we've underestimated the amount of heat generated by big screen TVs. Have you ever noticed how warm those things get?

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Reply #14 - Dec 16^th, 2019 at 5:12pm

Ajax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 15^th, 2019 at 12:10pm:

You do realise that the Large Hadron Collider creates that magnetic feild over a very small area and will have no effect on the earths magnetic field as a whole.

You can guarantee this is the actual case, with a rubber stamp of course signed barny.

Gibberish malarkey you do not know what you are talking about once again not unlike AGW indeed, but keep on dreaming barny must be nice and cosy in fairy land.

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You seem very susceptible to believing psuedo science because you arn't able to critically evaluate the nonsense that these conspiracy theorists present to you.

I'm susceptible....?

How dare you......!

BTW that site I posted above is a legit CERN site explaining how it works, were is the pseudo science...???..please point out....... Kiss

LOL Ajax has NFI how electromagnetism works.

Magnetic fields can be strong but small, or weak but large. The LHC is like Jackie Chan, and Earth's magnetic field is like Mama June (before the weight loss). Obama's secret weather machine is also strong but small, which is why it has to be shipped around on deep state 747s.

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Reply #15 - Dec 16^th, 2019 at 6:19pm

Ajax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:05am:

Minimum sun spot activity and volcanos erupting are but some of the conditions required to cool the Earth.

Time will tell.

https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~wsoon/myownPapers-d/Summer_of_1816.pdf

The Prehistoric Atmosphere and Climate of the Dinosaur ages was one that was x3 times as thick with Oxygen which allowed Dinosaurs to become so big and carry such weight like 'swimming'. Not only that - the sky was always 'Hazy' from the Volcanic (and bushfires) activity, which gave the planet a nice constant 30C at the Equator and 10C at the Poles.

Due to Humanity's trashing of this planet like a teenager on Ice and with a Gun in his hand.
The Planet is trying to stabilise the situation before it really gets out of hand. Wink

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Reply #16 - Dec 16^th, 2019 at 6:53pm

Ajax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:44am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:15am:

Ajax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2019 at 11:05am:

Will the Earth start cooling...?

Minimum sun spot activity and volcanos erupting are but some of the conditions required to cool the Earth.

No

Sunspot minimum happens every 11 years or so. Effect is negligible

There has not been any increase in volcanic activity

CO₂ levels are continuing to rise Wink

If you really are concerned about the environment so much leave CO2 to the side for the moment, since none of the computer model predictions have come true.

Ajax is a shill. Either that or he is seriously fuked in the head.

You choose.

The First Climate Model Turns 50, And Predicted Global Warming Almost Perfectly
https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/03/15/the-first-climate-model-...

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Reply #17 - Dec 17^th, 2019 at 12:26pm

random wrote on Dec 16^th, 2019 at 6:53pm:

The First Climate Model Turns 50, And Predicted Global Warming Almost Perfectly
https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/03/15/the-first-climate-model-...

So let's look at what the letter to Science magazine actually said.

From the letter -

"Seven older models missed the mark by as much as 0.1°C per decade. But the accuracy of five of those forecasts improved enough to match observations when the scientists adjusted a key input to the models: how much climate-changing pollution humans have emitted over the years."

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/12/even-50-year-old-climate-models-correctl...

Wow. so they adjusted the inputs and they performed better.

It wasn't CO2 it was ...pollution that caused the models to run hot. Grin

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Reply #18 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 8:36pm

You seem to have forgotten to post this bit lee

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Hausfather found that most of this overshoot was caused not by a flaw in the model’s basic physics, however. Instead, it arose because pollution levels changed in ways Hansen didn’t predict. For example, the model overestimated the amount of methane—a potent greenhouse gas—that would go into the atmosphere in future years. It also didn’t foresee a precipitous drop in planet-warming refrigerants like some Freon compounds after international regulations from the Montreal Protocol became effective in 1989.

lets also not forget that while lee is quibbling over decimal places, the fact is that the models predicted warming and that's exactly what's being observed

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Reply #19 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 9:04pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 8:36pm:

You seem to have forgotten to post this bit lee

I also left out one of Hausfather's Tweets. I will include it now.

"Our implied TCR approach effectively accounts for mismatches between forcing mismatches between models and observations without the need to dig through punch cards and FORTRAN 77 code.."

https://twitter.com/hausfath/status/1202379211224150017

So what they did was parametrise the parameters and declared them good. Grin

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 8:36pm:

lets also not forget that while lee is quibbling over decimal places, the fact is that the models predicted warming and that's exactly what's being observed

Of course we could look at 1998 to 2019. According to NOAA it has warmed 0.5C globally. And Gavin Schmidt, Director of NASA GISS says they can estimate global temperatures to +/-0.5C.

So statistically speaking no difference. Wink

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Reply #20 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 9:10pm

lee wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 9:04pm:

Of course we could look at 1998 to 2019. According to NOAA it has warmed 0.5C globally. And Gavin Schmidt, Director of NASA GISS says they can estimate global temperatures to +/-0.5C.

So statistically speaking no difference. Wink

and why did you choose 1998 to 2019? Wink

You do know that cherry picking data is a classic strategy of deniers Grin

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Reply #21 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 9:21pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 9:10pm:

You do know that cherry picking data is a classic strategy of deniers

I also went back to 1969 ( the 50 years for the climate models). The change 0.7C. Now that's yuge. Grin

0.2C above their 0.5C uncertainty. And I doubt that their 0.5C uncertainty extends back that far. Wink

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Reply #22 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 9:29pm

lee wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 9:21pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 9:10pm:

You do know that cherry picking data is a classic strategy of deniers

I also went back to 1969 ( the 50 years for the climate models). The change 0.7C. Now that's yuge. Grin

0.2C above their 0.5C uncertainty. And I doubt that their 0.5C uncertainty extends back that far. Wink

So how much has it got to warm before you are worried?
Scientists say that we should keep to no more than 1.5C. Even with your figures that's only a few decades away

Anyway, I've had my fun. You've once again shown what a pathetic debater you are Grin

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Reply #23 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 9:52pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 9:29pm:

Scientists say that we should keep to no more than 1.5C

First it as 2C and not from climate scientists. Then when thta didn't engender enough panic they dropped it to 1.5C. And seeing as most temperature change is (according to CO2 theory) at night even that wouldn't do anything drastic.

People live in the tropics quite comfortably. Wink

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 9:29pm:

Anyway, I've had my fun. You've once again shown what a pathetic debater you are

And yet you lost. Why is that? You so quickly stopped pontificating about the 50 years of models. Grin

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Reply #24 - Dec 19^th, 2019 at 11:05am

lee wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 9:52pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 9:29pm:

Scientists say that we should keep to no more than 1.5C

First it as 2C and not from climate scientists. Then when thta didn't engender enough panic they dropped it to 1.5C. And seeing as most temperature change is (according to CO2 theory) at night even that wouldn't do anything drastic.

People live in the tropics quite comfortably. Wink

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 9:29pm:

Anyway, I've had my fun. You've once again shown what a pathetic debater you are

And yet you lost. Why is that? You so quickly stopped pontificating about the 50 years of models. Grin

There are two explanations for why Lee lives on this site. A: It's his job to run disinformation. B:He has literally no life. Either explanation means his stated opinions are pretty meaningless.

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Reply #25 - Dec 19^th, 2019 at 1:07pm

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 19^th, 2019 at 11:05am:

There are two explanations for why Lee lives on this site. A: It's his job to run disinformation. B:He has literally no life. Either explanation means his stated opinions are pretty meaningless.

Poor petal. And so recently taking me to task for going off topic.

perhaps you can come up with a valid argument? Grin

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Reply #26 - Dec 19^th, 2019 at 7:21pm

lee wrote on Dec 19^th, 2019 at 1:07pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 19^th, 2019 at 11:05am:

There are two explanations for why Lee lives on this site. A: It's his job to run disinformation. B:He has literally no life. Either explanation means his stated opinions are pretty meaningless.

Poor petal. And so recently taking me to task for going off topic.

perhaps you can come up with a valid argument? Grin

I see what you did there, that's so awesome.

You call him out then no matter what he says you say it shite, unsubstantiated, not settled.

No wonder you got the gig bro, I'm jealous, I want in on the denial gravy train.

PM me, I can help the cause heeps.

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This is what random looks like
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Predictable.

More fact free making shite up stuff from the disinformation shill. But I still want in mate.

A few more reddies would come in handy for just saying stuff on the interweb. How good is that!

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Reply #32 - Dec 20^th, 2019 at 3:28pm

random wrote on Dec 19^th, 2019 at 7:21pm:

lee wrote on Dec 19^th, 2019 at 1:07pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 19^th, 2019 at 11:05am:

There are two explanations for why Lee lives on this site. A: It's his job to run disinformation. B:He has literally no life. Either explanation means his stated opinions are pretty meaningless.

Poor petal. And so recently taking me to task for going off topic.

perhaps you can come up with a valid argument? Grin

I see what you did there, that's so awesome.

You call him out then no matter what he says you say it shite, unsubstantiated, not settled.

No wonder you got the gig bro, I'm jealous, I want in on the denial gravy train.

PM me, I can help the cause heeps.

Lee is black belt at bullshitsu, the art of avoiding a rational factual discourse based on reliable sources.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16438 Gender:	Re: Will the Earth start cooling...? Reply #33 - Dec 20^th, 2019 at 3:35pm Pho Huc wrote on Dec 20^th, 2019 at 3:28pm: Lee is black belt at bullshitsu, the art of avoiding a rational factual discourse based on reliable sources. poor petal. Resorting to cheap shots again because you have lost on the science. You're not another random sock, are you?
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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: Will the Earth start cooling...? Reply #34 - Dec 20^th, 2019 at 4:13pm lee wrote on Dec 20^th, 2019 at 11:25am: random wrote on Dec 20^th, 2019 at 6:14am: More fact free making shite up stuff from the disinformation shill. So you agree when you do the same thing it is "fact free making shite up stuff from the disinformation shill"? Show me where I did that.
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random wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 8:17pm:

lee wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:56pm:

random wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 5:15pm:

According to a report released by the Australia Institute, over 76% of Australians believe this is a link between climate change and bushfires.

The "Progressive think tank" Australia Institute. Wink

Actually from their paper 76% of 1,746 think climate change resulted in more bushfires. Not that they made them worse but that there were more of them.

https://www.tai.org.au/sites/default/files/180911%20-%20Climate%20of%20the%20Nat...

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/bridge-troll-4e7123d-intr...

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Oh that's right you don't do science. Wink

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