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Dec 9th, 2019 at 7:19pm
 
New Zealand volcano eruption leaves at least five dead


https://edition.cnn.com/australia/live-news/new-zealand-volcano-live-intl-hnk/in...


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Royal Caribbean had cruise passengers at the volcano, says it is "devastated" by eruption

From CNN's Eric Cheung

More than 30 passengers from the Royal Caribbean Cruise Line were believed to have been on the island when the volcano erupted.

In a statement to CNN, the cruise company said it was "devastated" and working with local authorities.

Read the statement:

    "We are devastated by today’s events and our hearts go out to all those affected by this tragedy.
    We are working together with local authorities, and we are providing all the help and care we can to our guests and their families, including offering medical resources and counseling. We are also sending staff members from both our ship and our Sydney and Auckland offices to assist family members however possible.
    Ovation of the Seas will remain in port as long as needed to assist with the situation."




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A terrible tragedy is unfolding in NZ after the volcano eruption on Whakaari/White Island.
Australians have been caught up in this terrible event and we are working to determine their wellbeing.
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A volcano has erupted in New Zealand, leaving five dead and several unaccounted for, police have said.

Tourists were seen walking inside the crater of White Island volcano just moments before the eruption.

Police said 23 people had been rescued, but warned conditions were hampering the operation. The New Zealand military is now helping police.

White Island, also known as Whakaari, is one of the country's most active volcanoes.

Despite that, the privately-owned island is a tourist destination with frequent day tours and scenic flights available.

In a police briefing, Deputy Police Commissioner John Tims said due to the risks, emergency services were not able to access the island.

Therefore how many people remain there is unclear, but he added that "both New Zealand and overseas tourists" were believed to be involved. Police had previously said fewer than 50 people were on the island.

He said the five people who died were "rescued from the island earlier that day".
What happened at the volcano?

The eruption of White Island began around 14:11 local time (01:11 GMT).

Visitor Michael Schade - who was on a boat leaving the island after a morning tour - filmed a thick plume of ash and smoke as the volcano erupted.
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I always thought there were sign of an eruption with Volcanos     they didnt suddenly explode....apparently not.....

goes to show never take anything for granted. Sad Sad
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cods wrote on Dec 9th, 2019 at 8:29pm:
I always thought there were sign of an eruption with Volcanos     they didnt suddenly explode....apparently not.....

goes to show never take anything for granted. Sad Sad



Just unlucky I suppose.
10,000 people visit the volcano every year.

https://www.geonet.org.nz/about/volcano/whiteisland


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Reply #6 - Dec 10th, 2019 at 5:28am
 
New Zealand volcano: Five dead and eight missing after eruption


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New Zealand police have confirmed that five people died and eight are missing after White Island volcano erupted on Monday as tourists visited.

Thirty-four people survived, with 31 of them still receiving treatment in hospital. At least one Briton is among those missing or injured.

The casualties include tourists from Australia, the US, China and Malaysia.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said she shared the "unfathomable grief" of those who had lost loved ones.

In a press conference on Tuesday morning, she said further rescue efforts were now "very sadly a recovery operation".

A naval ship is due to approach the uninhabited island, which has yet to be searched because of the risks to rescuers.

Plumes of smoke and ash continued to rise above the island after daybreak on Tuesday.


Tourists had been seen walking inside the crater of White Island volcano moments before it erupted.

    The privately owned volcano that is always active
    In pictures: White Island eruption
    New Zealand profile

White Island, also called Whakaari, is the country's most active volcano. Despite that, the privately owned island is a tourist destination with frequent day tours and scenic flights available.



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Reply #7 - Dec 10th, 2019 at 7:44am
 
Strange, Seismologists in NZ said that there was a danger of eruption months ago, and advised staying away..........pity the NZ government didn't take note and place a ban on tourists visiting the volcano..
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Fuzzball wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 7:44am:
Strange, Seismologists in NZ said that there was a danger of eruption months ago, and advised staying away..........pity the NZ government didn't take note and place a ban on tourists visiting the volcano..



I agree  the news says there were activity signs....I would say even those in control of the tours  should be investigated.......to see people walking in the crater makes me shudder.... they wouldnt have stood a chance...NZ being NZ where really nothing is stable....its amazing the govt didnt recommend closure for the time being.....
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Reply #9 - Dec 10th, 2019 at 8:38am
 
Obviously nothing on the tour guides risk assessment forms about walking down into an active volcano.

Will this be an act of god on any insurance claims.

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Fuzzball wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 7:44am:
Strange, Seismologists in NZ said that there was a danger of eruption months ago, and advised staying away..........pity the NZ government didn't take note and place a ban on tourists visiting the volcano..


Between 10,000 & 20,000 people visit it every year -
It's a huge money making attraction.

I would say that money was given a higher
priority than safety.

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Reply #11 - Dec 10th, 2019 at 8:51am
 
What a way to go. They would have been blasted by super heated steam and boiled alive in about 10 seconds.


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Gordon wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 8:51am:
What a way to go. They would have been blasted by super heated steam and boiled alive in about 10 seconds.






thank you gordon.....

those rescued looked like thos running from 9/11....only this was redhot ash.......they must be in agony..
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Reply #13 - Dec 10th, 2019 at 10:57am
 
An "extinct" volcano is quite safe, a "dormant" volcano is pretty safe ...an "active" volcano?  Not so safe.
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Reply #14 - Dec 10th, 2019 at 11:25am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 10:57am:
An "extinct" volcano is quite safe, a "dormant" volcano is pretty safe ...an "active" volcano?  Not so safe.



Yet  some scientists say that there is no  such
thing as an extinct or dormant volcano.
They will erupt again.
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They've just been hit with an earthquake too.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 11:32am:
They've just been hit with an earthquake too.



And floods and landslides.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 11:32am:
They've just been hit with an earthquake too.

Sad




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Only a small magnitude  5.3 earthquake.

It's the End Times  -

expect Jesus any minute now.

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Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 12:38pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 11:32am:
They've just been hit with an earthquake too.

Sad




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Only a small magnitude  5.3 earthquake.

It's the End Times  -

expect Jesus any minute now.



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greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 1:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 12:38pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 11:32am:
They've just been hit with an earthquake too.

Sad




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Only a small magnitude  5.3 earthquake.

It's the End Times  -

expect Jesus any minute now.



Will he be arriving in an Uber?




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Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 2:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 1:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 12:38pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 11:32am:
They've just been hit with an earthquake too.

Sad




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Only a small magnitude  5.3 earthquake.

It's the End Times  -

expect Jesus any minute now.



Will he be arriving in an Uber?




Mocketh ye not the son of man.

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Reply #21 - Dec 10th, 2019 at 2:24pm
 
Greggy - get a job.

As we continue:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50723352


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New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern has said there were no signs of life on White Island following a volcanic eruption.

She said the focus was now "on recovery" and "to return loved ones", once the island was safe.

Thirteen people are presumed to have died, five of those are confirmed dead and eight are still missing on the island.

The volcano erupted on Monday as tourists were visiting the popular attraction.

Thirty-four people survived, with 31 still receiving treatment in hospital.

Among those hit by the eruption are people from New Zealand, Australia, China, Malaysia, the US and the UK, Ms Ardern said in a press conference on Tuesday.
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can you imagine they will find anything of the missing 8

it looks like a moon crater........

I dont see how they can call them missing anymore. Sad
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Fuzzball wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 7:44am:
Strange, Seismologists in NZ said that there was a danger of eruption months ago, and advised staying away..........pity the NZ government didn't take note and place a ban on tourists visiting the volcano..



Not entirely correct, there had been an increase in geothermal activity recently and they had raised the threat level from 1 to 2 out of 5 I have fished off white island and to be honest thats as close as I am comfortable going, ,,
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cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
can you imagine they will find anything of the missing 8

it looks like a moon crater........

I dont see how they can call them missing anymore. Sad



They know where they are, west-pack paramedics found and checked them for signs of life, they are just waiting for things to settle down before the recover them , No point in risking someones life to recover a corpse
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BigP wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 7:44am:
Strange, Seismologists in NZ said that there was a danger of eruption months ago, and advised staying away..........pity the NZ government didn't take note and place a ban on tourists visiting the volcano..



Not entirely correct, there had been an increase in geothermal activity recently and they had raised the threat level from 1 to 2 out of 5 I have fished off white island and to be honest thats as close as I am comfortable going, ,,



Go there mate and be the first person in the world to
bring back close up photos.
You'll be famous.
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BigP wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 3:30pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
can you imagine they will find anything of the missing 8

it looks like a moon crater........

I dont see how they can call them missing anymore. Sad



They know where they are, west-pack paramedics found and checked them for signs of life, they are just waiting for things to settle down before the recover them , No point in risking someones life to recover a corpse



are you sure?...

I am not sure they even know how many are missing to be honest..now the police are investigating it....

it looks like someone stuffed up.....the guys that monitor these thing have been saying for a long time its going to erupt...
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cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 5:08pm:
BigP wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 3:30pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
can you imagine they will find anything of the missing 8

it looks like a moon crater........

I dont see how they can call them missing anymore. Sad



They know where they are, west-pack paramedics found and checked them for signs of life, they are just waiting for things to settle down before the recover them , No point in risking someones life to recover a corpse



are you sure?...

I am not sure they even know how many are missing to be honest..now the police are investigating it....

it looks like someone stuffed up.....the guys that monitor these thing have been saying for a long time its going to erupt...



I think BigP is mistaken.
You'd think that some bodies would be buried in
meters of ash and may never be found.
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Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 5:16pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 5:08pm:
BigP wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 3:30pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
can you imagine they will find anything of the missing 8

it looks like a moon crater........

I dont see how they can call them missing anymore. Sad



They know where they are, west-pack paramedics found and checked them for signs of life, they are just waiting for things to settle down before the recover them , No point in risking someones life to recover a corpse



are you sure?...

I am not sure they even know how many are missing to be honest..now the police are investigating it....

it looks like someone stuffed up.....the guys that monitor these thing have been saying for a long time its going to erupt...



I think BigP is mistaken.
You'd think that some bodies would be buried in
meters of ash and may never be found.



and or melted  800 deg of heat    what could be left??????......they were inside the bloody thing no one knows where exactly   I would say its an impossible task.. no one came out alive after Mt Vesuvius .. and this seems pretty similar.....by sheer luck it is an island and not in the middle of land mass......
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Reply #29 - Dec 10th, 2019 at 7:08pm
 
Australia has some wild weather but we do not have volcanoes!

Why would anybody want to go anywhere near an active volcano?

Why do people do stupid things?

Who knows, I don't.
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cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 5:16pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 5:08pm:
BigP wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 3:30pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
can you imagine they will find anything of the missing 8

it looks like a moon crater........

I dont see how they can call them missing anymore. Sad



They know where they are, west-pack paramedics found and checked them for signs of life, they are just waiting for things to settle down before the recover them , No point in risking someones life to recover a corpse



are you sure?...

I am not sure they even know how many are missing to be honest..now the police are investigating it....

it looks like someone stuffed up.....the guys that monitor these thing have been saying for a long time its going to erupt...



I think BigP is mistaken.
You'd think that some bodies would be buried in
meters of ash and may never be found.



and or melted  800 deg of heat    what could be left??????......they were inside the bloody thing no one knows where exactly   I would say its an impossible task.. no one came out alive after Mt Vesuvius .. and this seems pretty similar.....by sheer luck it is an island and not in the middle of land mass......



It's shocking Cods.
Of more concern is that for the injured:

https://edition.cnn.com/australia/live-news/new-zealand-volcano-live-intl/index....


All New Zealand's burns units are at full capacity with patients

Almost all patients who were evacuated from White Island after the eruption have extensive burns to their bodies, a spokesman for the Ministry of Health said.

Spokesman Pete Watson said all of New Zealand's burns units are at capacity.

Out of the 31 people who are still in hospital after the eruption,
27 have burns to at least 30% of their bodies, Watson said.

He said many also have inhalation burns, which will require airway support. The ages of the victims are between 13 and 72, he said.

"It's possible not all of the patients will survive," Watson said.
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Reply #31 - Dec 10th, 2019 at 7:42pm
 
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 5:16pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 5:08pm:
BigP wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 3:30pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
can you imagine they will find anything of the missing 8

it looks like a moon crater........

I dont see how they can call them missing anymore. Sad



They know where they are, west-pack paramedics found and checked them for signs of life, they are just waiting for things to settle down before the recover them , No point in risking someones life to recover a corpse



are you sure?...

I am not sure they even know how many are missing to be honest..now the police are investigating it....

it looks like someone stuffed up.....the guys that monitor these thing have been saying for a long time its going to erupt...



I think BigP is mistaken.
You'd think that some bodies would be buried in
meters of ash and may never be found.



and or melted  800 deg of heat    what could be left??????......they were inside the bloody thing no one knows where exactly   I would say its an impossible task.. no one came out alive after Mt Vesuvius .. and this seems pretty similar.....by sheer luck it is an island and not in the middle of land mass......


Nope cods.  Get it right.  They were 'inside' nothing.  If anything, they were on top of.
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Reply #32 - Dec 10th, 2019 at 10:36pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 7:10pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 5:16pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 5:08pm:
BigP wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 3:30pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
can you imagine they will find anything of the missing 8

it looks like a moon crater........

I dont see how they can call them missing anymore. Sad



They know where they are, west-pack paramedics found and checked them for signs of life, they are just waiting for things to settle down before the recover them , No point in risking someones life to recover a corpse



are you sure?...

I am not sure they even know how many are missing to be honest..now the police are investigating it....

it looks like someone stuffed up.....the guys that monitor these thing have been saying for a long time its going to erupt...



I think BigP is mistaken.
You'd think that some bodies would be buried in
meters of ash and may never be found.



and or melted  800 deg of heat    what could be left??????......they were inside the bloody thing no one knows where exactly   I would say its an impossible task.. no one came out alive after Mt Vesuvius .. and this seems pretty similar.....by sheer luck it is an island and not in the middle of land mass......



It's shocking Cods.
Of more concern is that for the injured:

https://edition.cnn.com/australia/live-news/new-zealand-volcano-live-intl/index....


All New Zealand's burns units are at full capacity with patients

Almost all patients who were evacuated from White Island after the eruption have extensive burns to their bodies, a spokesman for the Ministry of Health said.

Spokesman Pete Watson said all of New Zealand's burns units are at capacity.

Out of the 31 people who are still in hospital after the eruption,
27 have burns to at least 30% of their bodies, Watson said.

He said many also have inhalation burns, which will require airway support. The ages of the victims are between 13 and 72, he said.

"It's possible not all of the patients will survive," Watson said.

  one hasnt bobby    sadly   I would think for the best   

these injuries are horrific... even for those who are helping them    it would be shocking.....children as well OMG it breaks my heart!
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Reply #33 - Dec 10th, 2019 at 10:37pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 7:42pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 5:16pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 5:08pm:
BigP wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 3:30pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
can you imagine they will find anything of the missing 8

it looks like a moon crater........

I dont see how they can call them missing anymore. Sad



They know where they are, west-pack paramedics found and checked them for signs of life, they are just waiting for things to settle down before the recover them , No point in risking someones life to recover a corpse



are you sure?...

I am not sure they even know how many are missing to be honest..now the police are investigating it....

it looks like someone stuffed up.....the guys that monitor these thing have been saying for a long time its going to erupt...



I think BigP is mistaken.
You'd think that some bodies would be buried in
meters of ash and may never be found.



and or melted  800 deg of heat    what could be left??????......they were inside the bloody thing no one knows where exactly   I would say its an impossible task.. no one came out alive after Mt Vesuvius .. and this seems pretty similar.....by sheer luck it is an island and not in the middle of land mass......


Nope cods.  Get it right.  They were 'inside' nothing.  If anything, they were on top of.



most would know what I mean   I forget to spell everything out for you.... Angry
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Lets go instagram a live volcano. Darwin awards all round.
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cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 10:37pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 7:42pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 5:16pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 5:08pm:
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cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
can you imagine they will find anything of the missing 8

it looks like a moon crater........

I dont see how they can call them missing anymore. Sad



They know where they are, west-pack paramedics found and checked them for signs of life, they are just waiting for things to settle down before the recover them , No point in risking someones life to recover a corpse



are you sure?...

I am not sure they even know how many are missing to be honest..now the police are investigating it....

it looks like someone stuffed up.....the guys that monitor these thing have been saying for a long time its going to erupt...



I think BigP is mistaken.
You'd think that some bodies would be buried in
meters of ash and may never be found.



and or melted  800 deg of heat    what could be left??????......they were inside the bloody thing no one knows where exactly   I would say its an impossible task.. no one came out alive after Mt Vesuvius .. and this seems pretty similar.....by sheer luck it is an island and not in the middle of land mass......


Nope cods.  Get it right.  They were 'inside' nothing.  If anything, they were on top of.



most would know what I mean   I forget to spell everything out for you.... Angry

There was a camera setup on the rim of the volcano for geological purposes and captured this.

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its hard to know where the rim starts  or maybe finishes...I had seen that picture thanks xeej and thats what I was referring too......too hard for aussie to work out though...there are always daredevils amongst us who will go right to the edge of everything 

   no one was on high alert for this to happen sadly   looks like no warnings were given out at all....... Cry
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Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 5:16pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 5:08pm:
BigP wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 3:30pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
can you imagine they will find anything of the missing 8

it looks like a moon crater........

I dont see how they can call them missing anymore. Sad



They know where they are, west-pack paramedics found and checked them for signs of life, they are just waiting for things to settle down before the recover them , No point in risking someones life to recover a corpse



are you sure?...

I am not sure they even know how many are missing to be honest..now the police are investigating it....

it looks like someone stuffed up.....the guys that monitor these thing have been saying for a long time its going to erupt...



I think BigP is mistaken.
You'd think that some bodies would be buried in
meters of ash and may never be found.



Time will tell Bob, I heard an interview with a fixed wing pilot whom was flying above the island liaising with the chopper pilots that landed shortly after the eruption, he stated that a number of bodies were checked for signs of life and deemed to be deceased, when pushed on the number he implied around 7 or 8, these people were left where they lay ,,
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BigP wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 6:06am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 5:16pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 5:08pm:
BigP wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 3:30pm:
cods wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
can you imagine they will find anything of the missing 8

it looks like a moon crater........

I dont see how they can call them missing anymore. Sad



They know where they are, west-pack paramedics found and checked them for signs of life, they are just waiting for things to settle down before the recover them , No point in risking someones life to recover a corpse



are you sure?...

I am not sure they even know how many are missing to be honest..now the police are investigating it....

it looks like someone stuffed up.....the guys that monitor these thing have been saying for a long time its going to erupt...



I think BigP is mistaken.
You'd think that some bodies would be buried in
meters of ash and may never be found.



Time will tell Bob, I heard an interview with a fixed wing pilot whom was flying above the island liaising with the chopper pilots that landed shortly after the eruption, he stated that a number of bodies were checked for signs of life and deemed to be deceased, when pushed on the number he implied around 7 or 8, these people were left where they lay ,,



You can be our on the spot journalist  -

go there and take some pics.
You'll be famous.
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one of the helicopter pilots was on this morning he picked up many injured he also said he knew the spot where two deceased were....it will be a terrible job bringing back the bodies...I pray they find them all such a cruel way to die
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cods wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 6:28am:
one of the helicopter pilots was on this morning he picked up many injured he also said he knew the spot where two deceased were....it will be a terrible job bringing back the bodies...I pray they find them all such a cruel way to die



It's worse than we all thought:


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50738613

What state are the injured in?


White Island is a popular tourist destination with frequent day tours and scenic flights available. At least 47 visitors from around the world were on the volcano crater at the time of two explosions in quick succession.

Police said that of the 30 injured, 25 are in a critical condition while the other five are classed as stable but serious.

    In pictures: White Island eruption
    New Zealand profile

Mr Nash explained the injuries to the survivors were so severe that some of them were unable to identify themselves.

"There are a number of people in hospital who cannot communicate, they have significant burns not only to skin but internal organs," he told Radio New Zealand.

"We wish them the best but we're not out of the woods yet, of that there's no doubt."
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Bobby. wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 2:49pm:
cods wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 6:28am:
one of the helicopter pilots was on this morning he picked up many injured he also said he knew the spot where two deceased were....it will be a terrible job bringing back the bodies...I pray they find them all such a cruel way to die



It's worse than we all thought:


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50738613

What state are the injured in?


White Island is a popular tourist destination with frequent day tours and scenic flights available. At least 47 visitors from around the world were on the volcano crater at the time of two explosions in quick succession.

Police said that of the 30 injured, 25 are in a critical condition while the other five are classed as stable but serious.

    In pictures: White Island eruption
    New Zealand profile

Mr Nash explained the injuries to the survivors were so severe that some of them were unable to identify themselves.

"There are a number of people in hospital who cannot communicate, they have significant burns not only to skin but internal organs," he told Radio New Zealand.

"We wish them the best but we're not out of the woods yet, of that there's no doubt."




they will never recover bobs.... I doubt even the medical staff know where to start...so cruel...skin being flown in from America.....I dont know what to say..they can do wonderful things today  but burns .....I dont know its takes many years and still nothing will be the same...

my heart breaks for them......I almost cry watching the news....even those who are not injured are going to suffer for a long time.......its a nightmare!

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How on earth could this happen? Tours from a Cruise Ship to visit an active volcano? Sure they wouldn't know when the volcano was about to erupt ... but ....

So sad when entire families are missing.
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it is what it is chrisP.... like base jumping   why do people do it... because they can...

maybe at the end of the day the NZ govt are responsible for allowing it to be used as a tourist attraction.... Sad.... as it is   some folks actually live at the foot of volcanos   Roll Eyes
why is anyones guess....


NZ being a target for earthquakes  that hit at any time in any place.. you would think they would not have taken this risk...
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cods wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 4:36pm:
it is what it is chrisP.... like base jumping   why do people do it... because they can...

maybe at the end of the day the NZ govt are responsible for allowing it to be used as a tourist attraction.... Sad.... as it is   some folks actually live at the foot of volcanos   Roll Eyes
why is anyones guess....


NZ being a target for earthquakes  that hit at any time in any place.. you would think they would not have taken this risk...



Try living in Rotorua on top of a giant crater -
steam and sulfur come out of the ground 24 hours a day.
60,000 people live there:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotorua



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There are now ten people confirmed dead, including nine Australians.

Berend Hollander, 16, and his brother Matthew Hollander, 13, were killed while visiting the site. The pair attended Knox Grammar School in Wahroonga, on Sydney’s north shore, where their father also went to school.

“It is with the greatest sadness that I can confirm that Matthew Hollander (Year 8) and Berend (known as ‘Ben’) Hollander (Year 10) have passed away in hospital as a result of injuries sustained in the White Island volcano eruption,” the school’s headmaster Scott James wrote in a letter to parents. “Please take some time to reflect on the lives of Matthew and Ben and this devastating loss for our community.

“Matthew was a vibrant member of the Class of 2023. He was involved in cadets and representing the school in basketball, squash and debating. He was elected as a Mentor Representative in 2018/19. Matthew had a close circle of friends and was popular among his peers. He was always enthusiastic about life and was actively involved in school and year group activities.

Ben was actively engaged in sports and co-curricular activities at Knox, developing a passion for AFL, cadets, CRU and his biggest passion, baseball. He had a great love for the outdoors and camp. Ben was a compassionate and enthusiastic student, with an interest in software design. Ben’s engaging smile and quirky sense of humour made him a good mate to his close group of friends and a welcome member to every classroom.”




so sorry   their mum and dad are still missing......
RIP boys.
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No snakes or spiders but they have these volcano things I know which I would rather....
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New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has not ruled out continued tourism operations around White Island.

Asked whether Monday’s eruption signalled the end of tours there, Ms Ardern said it was one of a number of questions that needed to be asked, but the immediate focus was on survivors.

“Tourism operations have been undertaken there for several decades, up to 30 years, and it’s been a live volcano throughout that time, and at various times has been at level two [alert level], but it is a very unpredictable volcano,” she said.

“There will be questions that will be asked and they will need to be answered by the appropriate authorities, and we will be ensuring that that happens,” Ms Ardern said.

It has been estimated that 10,000 people visit the volcanic site each year, making it the primary tourism destination in the Whakatāne region.

Helicopter tours to the island – also known as Whakaari – commenced in 1987.

According to the Whakatāne District Council, tourism contributes over $100 million to the local economy, and the industry employs 10 per cent of the total workforce.

In a press conference on Tuesday afternoon, Whakatāne Mayor Judy Turner said she wanted tourism operations to the site to continue.

White Island Tours is an absolutely iconic business, not just for Whakatāne, but for New Zealand, and has been successfully operating under the procedures that would be expected of them for 30 years,” she said.

“I have been out with them and was very impressed with the briefings that we were given and the attention to health and safety protocols that were done at the time. I’m very confident that they’re a safe practitioner.”

Ms Turner said Monday’s disaster would have an immediate impact on local tourism, but the longer term effect was “yet to be seen”.

Local cafe owner Ethan Poulton said: “That mistake affects everyone – all the businesses around here.

“It is terrible that people have been hurt but now we are worried on what this will mean for the rest of the summer. The volcano brings people to Whakatane,” the owner of the Double Zero cafe said.

Professor Ross Dowling, Honorary Professor at the School of Business and Law at Edith Cowan University, said ‘volcano tourism’ was a worldwide trend.

“Part of the attraction is to visit an unpredictable natural environment and for most tourists they assume that they will be able to visit such dangerous sites in relative safety,” Prof Dowling said.


A Royal Geographical Society study by University of Cambridge geographer Amy Donovan warned that “volcano tourists” put themselves and overstretched rescue services in danger.

She said “volcanophiles” were fascinated by the elemental power of the earth, particularly rushing towards erupting volcanoes.

“You can breathe the gas, hear the sounds the earth is making. They want to get closer to feel the power of the earth,” she said.

But they did not realise the dangers of being hit by falling rock or lava bombs and the poisonous gases released by the superheated molten rock, she added.


money over LIFE I guess....... the ripple effect will go on and on  just like it will for those who survive...

Sad Sad Sad Sad...can we really put MONEY ahead of life and or everlasting injury????


Sad Sad Sad Sad
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Good questions Cods,

I suppose people should know the risk before they go there.
It's the same as mountain climbing
or motorcycle racing -
all very dangerous sports.
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absolutely bobby   but in this case those who didnt go  or even those who did  say there was no warning...

ts a money maker thats for sure  did you read the Mayors words.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

I dont think I would be saying that at this stage...

lets not forget NZs are used to living in volatile conditions   land shaking and all that  evil smelling gas coming out of cracks in the road ..... is quite normal...


those that have been rescued  will never be the same this is what gets me  they didnt stand a chance....and the rest of their lives they will pay for that adventure.
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The local indigenous people are saying there are spirits in that volcano.

Pouroto Ngaropo stands on an ancient settlement site, overlooking the island of Whakaari, and can recall his ancestry stretching back thousands of years.

According to the Māori leader, he is connected to his country spiritually and is even connected to the volcano, which erupted on Whakaari on Monday.

"Whakaari is my connection to the ocean, to the land, and to the environment around me...we are one and she's our ancestor," the 51-year old Māori spiritual leader said.

The volcano island off New Zealand's North Island holds deep spiritual significance for his iwi - or tribe - Ngāti Awa, which also owns the company that ran tours around the island before Monday's natural disaster.
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cods wrote on Dec 12th, 2019 at 5:30pm:
absolutely bobby   but in this case those who didnt go  or even those who did  say there was no warning...

ts a money maker thats for sure  did you read the Mayors words.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

I dont think I would be saying that at this stage...

lets not forget NZs are used to living in volatile conditions   land shaking and all that  evil smelling gas coming out of cracks in the road ..... is quite normal...


those that have been rescued  will never be the same this is what gets me  they didnt stand a chance....and the rest of their lives they will pay for that adventure.



I think the people knew the risk.
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Bobby. wrote on Dec 12th, 2019 at 5:36pm:
cods wrote on Dec 12th, 2019 at 5:30pm:
absolutely bobby   but in this case those who didnt go  or even those who did  say there was no warning...

ts a money maker thats for sure  did you read the Mayors words.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

I dont think I would be saying that at this stage...

lets not forget NZs are used to living in volatile conditions   land shaking and all that  evil smelling gas coming out of cracks in the road ..... is quite normal...


those that have been rescued  will never be the same this is what gets me  they didnt stand a chance....and the rest of their lives they will pay for that adventure.



I think the people knew the risk.



how BIG did they know that risk was.. they gave it a 2 rating out of 5... and the bloody thing erupted????

who knew what was going on????????

the water was turning green  and still they allowed people to go on the island...
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cods wrote on Dec 12th, 2019 at 6:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 12th, 2019 at 5:36pm:
cods wrote on Dec 12th, 2019 at 5:30pm:
absolutely bobby   but in this case those who didnt go  or even those who did  say there was no warning...

ts a money maker thats for sure  did you read the Mayors words.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

I dont think I would be saying that at this stage...

lets not forget NZs are used to living in volatile conditions   land shaking and all that  evil smelling gas coming out of cracks in the road ..... is quite normal...


those that have been rescued  will never be the same this is what gets me  they didnt stand a chance....and the rest of their lives they will pay for that adventure.



I think the people knew the risk.



how BIG did they know that risk was.. they gave it a 2 rating out of 5... and the bloody thing erupted????

who knew what was going on????????

the water was turning green  and still they allowed people to go on the island...


They probably rate the risk according to how much money they didn't make in the week before
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cods wrote on Dec 12th, 2019 at 6:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 12th, 2019 at 5:36pm:
cods wrote on Dec 12th, 2019 at 5:30pm:
absolutely bobby   but in this case those who didnt go  or even those who did  say there was no warning...

ts a money maker thats for sure  did you read the Mayors words.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

I dont think I would be saying that at this stage...

lets not forget NZs are used to living in volatile conditions   land shaking and all that  evil smelling gas coming out of cracks in the road ..... is quite normal...


those that have been rescued  will never be the same this is what gets me  they didnt stand a chance....and the rest of their lives they will pay for that adventure.



I think the people knew the risk.



how BIG did they know that risk was.. they gave it a 2 rating out of 5... and the bloody thing erupted????

who knew what was going on????????

the water was turning green  and still they allowed people to go on the island...



Eruptions so large are very rare.
Those tourists were very unlucky.
Up to 20,000 people per year have visited White Island
without any problems.
I dread the day that Rotorua blows up -
a town with 60,000 people living on top
of a volcano - that will be a real disaster.
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It was just on TV that the rating "2" has been the rating for quite a while. Complacency may have set in, and it seems there was a lack of communication between the monitors of seismic activity and the tour guide company

The rating should have been "3" apparently. "3" means stop the tours for a while
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Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 12th, 2019 at 7:48pm:
It was just on TV that the rating "2" has been the rating for quite a while. Complacency may have set in, and it seems there was a lack of communication between the monitors of seismic activity and the tour guide company

The rating should have been "3" apparently. "3" means stop the tours for a while



that looks very possible   the scientists had been warning for quite a while  it was going to blow......

it looks to me like they should have taken more notice even if it meant it was closed for 6 months with nothing happening... the rumbling was getting louder...even the guides should have known something wasnt right!

its an active volcano  for goodness sakes  shouldnt they have put aside for a time when the tours had to close... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


makes sense to me...  its NZ for crying out loud.

its called the shakey island..for good reason.
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The New Zealand Government has absolved itself of any liability over the volcano eruption that killed up to 13 people and injured 30 others, with victims and families facing potentially lengthy delays in receiving compensation.

All levels of government from the local council through to the minister responsible for offshore territories have said White Island was the sole responsibility of tour operators and the private trust company that owned it.

The declaration comes as public grief has turned to frustration and anger over a befuddled co-ordination of the recovery of at least eight bodies left on the island.

Eight people are confirmed dead, another eight pronounced missing presumed dead and 25 remain in critical condition in hospital after White Island erupted on Monday with 47 tourists on the atoll.

Today, to relieve the tension the government buckled to public pressure and offered to conduct “a quick uplift” of the eight bodies on the island as opposed to what they initially suggested would be a long drawn out process involving a crime scene and WorkSafe NZ investigation.

The disaster has also put enormous pressure on Australia’s burns units that had already donated 10,000 sq cm of skin to New Zealand counterparts and now needed more themselves to cope with treating those Australian victims being repatriated.

The donor skin acts as a type of temporary biological dressing for serious burns patients as their own skin grows for grafting later on.

Severely burnt victims could need anywhere up to 30,000 square centimetres of skin.

Police Minister Stuart Nash conceded he had demanded a greater level of transparency in what authorities were doing not just for the recovery of the bodies but for their families and survivors in hospitals around the country.

“You can imagine there is a degree of frustration, I mean I can imagine that but what we have decided is that perhaps the level of communication needs to be just a little bit more robust to ensure that victims families are up to date the whole time,” he said.

“The level of communication with the families will increase.”

The comment came after police abruptly ended a press conference and refused to answer questions and also when they announced a criminal investigation only to two hours later back track and say it was a coronial inquiry.

Lawyers said the dropping of the “criminal” word suggested authorities no longer wanted to predetermine the possibility of criminal negligence of taking tourists to the active volcano.

New Zealand has a public insurance compensation scheme were tourists and residents can apply for monetary compensation for a physical or mental injury without having to prove in court anyone identifiable person particularly was at fault.

But the Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) would be infinitely less than a criminal case finding against tour operators or the cruise liner Royal Caribbean who effectively endorsed the operators by offering the trip to its passengers.

The Australian government has not weighed in yet on financial relief for families facing huge medical costs to have victims treated for burns, in some cases of up to 70 per cent of their bodies.

However, defence will absorb the costs of the ADF component of the repatriation efforts.

As police and WorkSafe investigators look at Kiwi bureaucracy today denied they had authority over the volcanic outcrop.

Whakatane District Mayor Judy Turner declined to be interviewed by News Corp Australia but said the only point she wanted to make was despite the island being off her Bay of Plenty shore, her council had no control or authority over it.

Ms Turner said the Department of Internal Affairs was responsible.

The department said no, the responsibility sat with the Local Government MP and Minister for Māori Development and Local Government and Associate Minister for the Environment Nanai Mahuta.

A departmental spokeswoman said they only supported the minister in her work and had no role in licensing of activities or looking at compliance.

Ms Mahuta said while she may have responsibility for New Zealand’s offshore islands that responsibility did not extend to access, tourism or health and safety.

She said it was a private island and she had no role.

“I do not have consenting or permitting responsibilities for he activities of tourism operators and I do not have health and safety responsibilities for the operations of private businesses such as tour operators,” she said.

“This is the responsibility of local operators on the island, they are registered by WorkSafe NZ.”

The Bay of Plenty Regional Council agreed it too had no powers or legislative responsibility to what occurs on the island but only had an agreement to respond if there was an emergency such as the eruption on Monday.

Some New Zealand families have had to set up social media funding page appeals for money for treatment and funerals of loved ones.




ahh the buck passing has started...

it didnt take long!
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Well that may be true and it may not. Of course govts say that.

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No one is a criminal in New Zealand any more, proving wrongdoing isn't necessary to get an insurance payout in NZ. So the Operators can be as negligent as they like it would seem. Just get your skin graft and put it down to experience


In New Zealand, everyone's covered by public indemnity insurance.

While this scheme has an equal share of detractors and champions, some have suggested that removing the need to prove fault may end up exposing people to greater levels of risk
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-12/new-zealand-whakaari-white-island-disaste...



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Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 13th, 2019 at 7:48am:
No one is a criminal in New Zealand any more, proving wrongdoing isn't necessary to get an insurance payout in NZ. So the Operators can be as negligent as they like it would seem. Just get your skin graft and put it down to experience


In New Zealand, everyone's covered by public indemnity insurance.

While this scheme has an equal share of detractors and champions, some have suggested that removing the need to prove fault may end up exposing people to greater levels of risk
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-12/new-zealand-whakaari-white-island-disaste...




I hate to say it but will one size fit all in this case?... Angry

to think so many cannot be identified smacks of hideous burns..... how do you measure PAIn.?....plus'this comes down to warnings.... Roll Eyes

were they given adequate/proper  warning of the risks they were taking???...

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I am wondering if that Indemnity would mean the govt gets more complacent... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

they have already said it wasnt their responsibility Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
its up to the tourist company..

might as well tell all trucking companies  its up to them to keep their brakes ship shape...
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cods wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 6:28am:
one of the helicopter pilots was on this morning he picked up many injured he also said he knew the spot where two deceased were....it will be a terrible job bringing back the bodies...I pray they find them all such a cruel way to die



They have recovered 6 bodies, another sounds like it may have been in a thermal pool on slow baste for a few days, they will be heading back with a couple of soup ladles to recover them ,,
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BigP wrote on Dec 13th, 2019 at 12:23pm:
cods wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 6:28am:
one of the helicopter pilots was on this morning he picked up many injured he also said he knew the spot where two deceased were....it will be a terrible job bringing back the bodies...I pray they find them all such a cruel way to die



They have recovered 6 bodies, another sounds like it may have been in a thermal pool on slow baste for a few days, they will be heading back with a couple of soup ladles to recover them ,,


Not really a subject to warrant mirth is it?
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BigP wrote on Dec 13th, 2019 at 12:23pm:
cods wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 6:28am:
one of the helicopter pilots was on this morning he picked up many injured he also said he knew the spot where two deceased were....it will be a terrible job bringing back the bodies...I pray they find them all such a cruel way to die



They have recovered 6 bodies, another sounds like it may have been in a thermal pool on slow baste for a few days, they will be heading back with a couple of soup ladles to recover them ,,


Waaaaaaay too soon.

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in my heart I know those they have repatriated to their families.....are the lucky ones........I cant even begin to contemplate what those who survived will face and what their future holds...it is just too sad for everyone...
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BigP wrote on Dec 13th, 2019 at 12:23pm:
cods wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 6:28am:
one of the helicopter pilots was on this morning he picked up many injured he also said he knew the spot where two deceased were....it will be a terrible job bringing back the bodies...I pray they find them all such a cruel way to die



They have recovered 6 bodies, another sounds like it may have been in a thermal pool on slow baste for a few days, they will be heading back with a couple of soup ladles to recover them ,,


Not really a subject to warrant mirth is it?



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greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 13th, 2019 at 12:44pm:
BigP wrote on Dec 13th, 2019 at 12:23pm:
cods wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 6:28am:
one of the helicopter pilots was on this morning he picked up many injured he also said he knew the spot where two deceased were....it will be a terrible job bringing back the bodies...I pray they find them all such a cruel way to die



They have recovered 6 bodies, another sounds like it may have been in a thermal pool on slow baste for a few days, they will be heading back with a couple of soup ladles to recover them ,,


Waaaaaaay too soon.

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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/12/asia/new-zealand-volcano-bodies-recovered/ind...



Whakatane, New Zealand (CNN)A specialist team have recovered six bodies from New Zealand's White Island volcano, braving hazardous conditions in a risky operation four days after it erupted while 47 people were visiting.
The recovery on Friday morning local time brings the official death toll from Monday's eruption to at least 15. Authorities are still working to recover two more bodies, including one that was spotted in the water near the shore of White Island.
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cods wrote on Dec 13th, 2019 at 5:01pm:
in my heart I know those they have repatriated to their families.....are the lucky ones........I cant even begin to contemplate what those who survived will face and what their future holds...it is just too sad for everyone...


My thoughts as well
many of them have burns to 60% - 80% of their bodies. They have many years of operations in front of them
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cods wrote on Dec 13th, 2019 at 5:01pm:
in my heart I know those they have repatriated to their families.....are the lucky ones........I cant even begin to contemplate what those who survived will face and what their future holds...it is just too sad for everyone...


My thoughts as well
many of them have burns to 60% - 80% of their bodies. They have many years of operations in front of them



we have come a long way in medicine   but nothing I know of will make their lives normal....what those with internal burns have to go through I cant imagine... its truly one of the worst things I have ever heard of...
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A crater going off.

https://www.facebook.com/TheOfficialTraveler/videos/830437957376049/
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Agnes wrote on Dec 14th, 2019 at 2:30pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 14th, 2019 at 2:12pm:
A crater going off.
https://www.facebook.com/TheOfficialTraveler/videos/830437957376049/


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Agnes wrote on Dec 14th, 2019 at 2:30pm:
Agnes wrote on Dec 14th, 2019 at 2:30pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 14th, 2019 at 2:12pm:
A crater going off.
https://www.facebook.com/TheOfficialTraveler/videos/830437957376049/


where


Dunno...it is not the NZ one.
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BigP wrote on Dec 13th, 2019 at 5:31pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Dec 13th, 2019 at 12:41pm:
BigP wrote on Dec 13th, 2019 at 12:23pm:
cods wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 6:28am:
one of the helicopter pilots was on this morning he picked up many injured he also said he knew the spot where two deceased were....it will be a terrible job bringing back the bodies...I pray they find them all such a cruel way to die



They have recovered 6 bodies, another sounds like it may have been in a thermal pool on slow baste for a few days, they will be heading back with a couple of soup ladles to recover them ,,


Not really a subject to warrant mirth is it?



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the read is a bit confusing - pple soup not exactly appetising is it?
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Yesterday, New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern called for a minute’s silence exactly one week after the eruption at 2.11pm on Monday to honour the victims.

“Wherever you are in New Zealand, or around the world, this is a moment we can stand alongside those who have lost loved ones in this extraordinary tragedy,” Ms Ardern said.

“Together we can express our sorrow for those who have died and been hurt, and our support for their grieving families and friends.”

But even as she led the mourning volcano experts at a conference in California were shaking their heads at the country allowing tourists to visit an active, privately owned volcano with the decision on whether it was safe or not left in the hands of the tour operator.

“The alert levels are sort of advisory. You can’t put the responsibility on the tour operators – they have mixed allegiances, they are a business,” volcanologist Dr Erik Klemetti from Denison University in Ohio said.

Dr Klemetti warned that taking tourists to White Island was the “perfect cocktail” for tragedy in a 2012 article entitled How Dangerous is Visiting New Zealand’s White Island?

“You are literally putting your lives in the hands of tour operators when you make the visit.

“Will it take half a dozen deaths at White Island to change the culture, or is that merely the cost of being adventurous?” he wrote in the article published in the American magazine Wired.

By making the visits to the White Island crater seem routine, it can lull the tour operators and tourists into a false sense of security.”



Jacinta may have to accept!    whats happened is unacceptable.....the blame has to remain with the govt of the day..... Sad Sad Sad
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cods wrote on Dec 14th, 2019 at 11:50am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 14th, 2019 at 10:54am:
cods wrote on Dec 13th, 2019 at 5:01pm:
in my heart I know those they have repatriated to their families.....are the lucky ones........I cant even begin to contemplate what those who survived will face and what their future holds...it is just too sad for everyone...


My thoughts as well
many of them have burns to 60% - 80% of their bodies. They have many years of operations in front of them



we have come a long way in medicine   but nothing I know of will make their lives normal....what those with internal burns have to go through I cant imagine... its truly one of the worst things I have ever heard of...


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do you think the NZ govt will have the balls to say


the buck stops here..

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50798205

A person who was being treated in hospital after the eruption of New Zealand's White Island volcano has died, police say.

The unidentified victim died in Australia after being sent for treatment. About 20 people remain in intensive care with severe burns.

The death brings to 16 the number of confirmed deaths.

Recovery teams returned to the island on Sunday to try to locate another two remaining bodies.

Eight police search and rescue personnel were deployed for 75 minutes to an area in which at least one of the bodies was believed to be. "We have found no further bodies in that area," Deputy Police Commissioner Mike Clement told reporters.

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Police said they remained committed to retrieving the bodies and that police and military divers would continue to search the waters around White Island, also known by its Maori name of Whakaari. On Saturday, teams faced contaminated waters and poor visibility after one body was spotted in the water.
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the trauma and rescue teams will all need counselling probably for a long time....the ripple effect from this will be never ending  I fear...it will be like being in a nightmare of huge proportions .... so many people asking... how did we miss that we were there only days or hours before...... it all has an impact.....

an UNIDENTIFIED person has just died.....

what kind of mess were they in after a week  still unidentified...

its just too cruel. Cry Cry
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cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 6:27am:
the trauma and rescue teams will all need counselling probably for a long time....the ripple effect from this will be never ending  I fear...it will be like being in a nightmare of huge proportions .... so many people asking... how did we miss that we were there only days or hours before...... it all has an impact.....

an UNIDENTIFIED person has just died.....

what kind of mess were they in after a week  still unidentified...

its just too cruel. Cry Cry



Hi Cods,
It is terrible but I bet that within 1 year the
tourists will be back there.
It's  a bit like Mr Everest  - even many regular
tragedies won't stop them.
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Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 6:46am:
cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 6:27am:
the trauma and rescue teams will all need counselling probably for a long time....the ripple effect from this will be never ending  I fear...it will be like being in a nightmare of huge proportions .... so many people asking... how did we miss that we were there only days or hours before...... it all has an impact.....

an UNIDENTIFIED person has just died.....

what kind of mess were they in after a week  still unidentified...

its just too cruel. Cry Cry



Hi Cods,
It is terrible but I bet that within 1 year the
tourists will be back there.
It's  a bit like Mr Everest  - even many regular
tragedies won't stop them.




it too is part of the ripple effect... already the small business' that rely on the island    will be in pain....

its huge bobby...........do you believe people should be able to walk on an ACTIVE volcano?.....would you take the responsibility?

the experts are saying NO...
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No Cods,
tourists should be kept away forever.
It's a place for scientists only.
Even then it's too dangerous.
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Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 7:11am:
No Cods,
tourists should be kept away forever.
It's a place for scientists only.
Even then it's too dangerous.




when you think they have a choice to wear a mask because of the fumes... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

you have to wonder what makes people tick. Angry
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Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 7:11am:
No Cods,
tourists should be kept away forever.
It's a place for scientists only.
Even then it's too dangerous.


Quick quiz:

Q. How many people are killed by volcanoes each year in NZ?

Q. How many people are killed on the road each year in NZ?
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greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 9:26am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 7:11am:
No Cods,
tourists should be kept away forever.
It's a place for scientists only.
Even then it's too dangerous.


Quick quiz:

Q. How many people are killed by volcanoes each year in NZ?

Q. How many people are killed on the road each year in NZ?




if they were travelling on roads that were shaking constantly and or spitting sulphur or green water into the atmosphere........would you blame the govt for keeping said roads in commission?..  or would you think it okay for people to make that choice....because the road is there    why not use it?
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cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 10:09am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 9:26am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 7:11am:
No Cods,
tourists should be kept away forever.
It's a place for scientists only.
Even then it's too dangerous.


Quick quiz:

Q. How many people are killed by volcanoes each year in NZ?

Q. How many people are killed on the road each year in NZ?




if they were travelling on roads that were shaking constantly and or spitting sulphur or green water into the atmosphere........would you blame the govt for keeping said roads in commission?..  or would you think it okay for people to make that choice....because the road is there    why not use it?


300 people a year die on NZ roads that aren't shaking constantly and or spitting sulphur or green water into the atmosphere.

Why aren't you and Bobby demanding that the government shut them down?

Don't you care about those 300 people?

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greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 10:12am:
cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 10:09am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 9:26am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 7:11am:
No Cods,
tourists should be kept away forever.
It's a place for scientists only.
Even then it's too dangerous.


Quick quiz:

Q. How many people are killed by volcanoes each year in NZ?

Q. How many people are killed on the road each year in NZ?




if they were travelling on roads that were shaking constantly and or spitting sulphur or green water into the atmosphere........would you blame the govt for keeping said roads in commission?..  or would you think it okay for people to make that choice....because the road is there    why not use it?


300 people a year die on NZ roads that aren't shaking constantly and or spitting sulphur or green water into the atmosphere.

Why aren't you and Bobby demanding that the government shut them down?

Don't you care about those 300 people?





ahhhhh comprehension skills on strike I see..

because a road is a road is a road.....why have a road..if you dont want people to travel on it......

why make beds if you dont want people to die in them...

to compare road deaths with this tragedy  is appalling....just appalling... just to win a brownie point....it disgusts me to be honest....

Cry Cry

go over to monks place and compare notes on where more people die in NZ    I am sure they will eat it up.. Angry
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cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 10:19am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 10:12am:
cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 10:09am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 9:26am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 7:11am:
No Cods,
tourists should be kept away forever.
It's a place for scientists only.
Even then it's too dangerous.


Quick quiz:

Q. How many people are killed by volcanoes each year in NZ?

Q. How many people are killed on the road each year in NZ?




if they were travelling on roads that were shaking constantly and or spitting sulphur or green water into the atmosphere........would you blame the govt for keeping said roads in commission?..  or would you think it okay for people to make that choice....because the road is there    why not use it?


300 people a year die on NZ roads that aren't shaking constantly and or spitting sulphur or green water into the atmosphere.

Why aren't you and Bobby demanding that the government shut them down?

Don't you care about those 300 people?





ahhhhh comprehension skills on strike I see..

because a road is a road is a road.....why have a road..if you dont want people to travel on it......

why make beds if you dont want people to die in them...

to compare road deaths with this tragedy  is appalling....just appalling... just to win a brownie point....it disgusts me to be honest....

Cry Cry

go over to monks place and compare notes on where more people die in NZ    I am sure they will eat it up.. Angry


So, just to be clear, you don't care about those 300 people dying?

We know that 300 people will die on NZ roads next year, but you don't want the government to stop it.

You only want the government to stop people dying in volcanoes.

Why is that, dear?

Death is death - it makes no difference where it happens, you're still dead.

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Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 7:11am:
No Cods,
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It's a place for scientists only.
Even then it's too dangerous.


cods baled out (as usual).

So I'll ask you.

Why don't you want tourists (and locals) kept away from New Zealand roads?

The roads are far, far more dangerous than the volcano.

300 people a year die on NZ roads - how many die in the volcano?



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greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 10:49am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 7:11am:
No Cods,
tourists should be kept away forever.
It's a place for scientists only.
Even then it's too dangerous.


cods baled out (as usual).

So I'll ask you.

Why don't you want tourists (and locals) kept away from New Zealand roads?

The roads are far, far more dangerous than the volcano.

300 people a year die on NZ roads - how many die in the volcano?




Dear Greggy,
There is a fallacy in your argument.
Road rules apply which state for instance
that you cannot exceed the speed limit.
In the same way certain volcanic areas
can be visited and others are off limits.


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Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 10:59am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 10:49am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 7:11am:
No Cods,
tourists should be kept away forever.
It's a place for scientists only.
Even then it's too dangerous.


cods baled out (as usual).

So I'll ask you.

Why don't you want tourists (and locals) kept away from New Zealand roads?

The roads are far, far more dangerous than the volcano.

300 people a year die on NZ roads - how many die in the volcano?




Dear Greggy,
There is a fallacy in your argument.
Road rules apply which state for instance
that you cannot exceed the speed limit.
In the same way certain volcanic areas
can be visited and others are off limits.




The fallacy is all yours.

You say you want the government to stop people visiting the volcano because it's dangerous.

We all know for a fact that NZ roads are thousands of times more dangerous than the volcano, yet you aren't demanding that the government stop people from using them.

Why do you only care about deaths in a volcano?

Don't the 334 deaths on NZ roads this year matter to you?

Is it only people you see on popular news stories that you care about?

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Rubbish Greggy -

dangerous activities need rules applied.
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Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 11:09am:
Rubbish Greggy -

dangerous activities need rules applied.


You said: "tourists should be kept away forever".

Approximately 300 people are killed on NZ roads every year.

We know this for a fact.

334 already this year, and past records tell us that next year there'll be another 300 deaths.

Why aren't you saying "people should be kept away from NZ roads forever".

I'm curious.



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greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 11:15am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 11:09am:
Rubbish Greggy -

dangerous activities need rules applied.


You said: "tourists should be kept away forever".

Approximately 300 people are killed on NZ roads every year.

We know this for a fact.

334 already this year, and past records tell us that next year there'll be another 300 deaths.

Why aren't you saying "people should be kept away from NZ roads forever".

I'm curious.






Greggy,
if you want people to stand on an active volcano
then you need to visit your doctor for a revised prescription  of your medication.

forgiven
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Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 11:42am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 11:15am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 11:09am:
Rubbish Greggy -

dangerous activities need rules applied.


You said: "tourists should be kept away forever".

Approximately 300 people are killed on NZ roads every year.

We know this for a fact.

334 already this year, and past records tell us that next year there'll be another 300 deaths.

Why aren't you saying "people should be kept away from NZ roads forever".

I'm curious.






Greggy,
if you want people to stand on an active volcano
then you need to visit your doctor for a revised prescription  of your medication.

forgiven
namaste



You want them to be on roads that kill 300 people a year.

NZ roads are thousands of times more dangerous than the volcano.

Why do you ignore this fact?

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As usual pessary presents a 'Strawman' argument..........nothing new....
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Reply #98 - Dec 16th, 2019 at 11:58am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 11:47am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 11:42am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 11:15am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 11:09am:
Rubbish Greggy -

dangerous activities need rules applied.


You said: "tourists should be kept away forever".

Approximately 300 people are killed on NZ roads every year.

We know this for a fact.

334 already this year, and past records tell us that next year there'll be another 300 deaths.

Why aren't you saying "people should be kept away from NZ roads forever".

I'm curious.






Greggy,
if you want people to stand on an active volcano
then you need to visit your doctor for a revised prescription  of your medication.

forgiven
namaste



You want them to be on roads that kill 300 people a year.

NZ roads are thousands of times more dangerous than the volcano.

Why do you ignore this fact?



Deaths on road in NZ from 2015 to 2019 = 1,657

Deaths on volcanoes in NZ from 2015 to 2019 = 16

"tourists should be kept away forever".

From roads too, Bobby?

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print out this page and show your doctor.

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Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 12:07pm:
Hi Greggy,
print out this page and show your doctor.

good luck
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Why do you only care about people who die in big news stories, Bobby?

Why are you perfectly happy to let hundreds of people die on the road?

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Hi Greggy,
print out this page and show your doctor.

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yeah he is even doing the google stats  to make his argument relative.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

his comparisons are always odious ..

here he is mocking 47 people either dead missing or in fearful pain    from a possible once in a lifetime tragedy..

.....with an unbelievable comparison...


only an odious person would stoop to that level bobby...

leave him to it!
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Two Australian families with loved ones killed in the New Zealand volcano tragedy have issued statements as authorities release the names of more Aussies confirmed dead in the disaster.

NZ Police, shortly before midday on Monday, confirmed Australians Jessica Richards, 20, Jason Griffiths, 33, Martin Hollander, 48 and Kristine Langford, 45, have been identified and confirmed dead.

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has said the WorkSafe investigation into the “harm and loss of life” caused by the eruption may take up to a year.

“Tour operators, cruiseship happenings, emergency responders and land owners fall under this. WorkSafe can prosecute for breaches of the act and penalties in criminal sanctions range from $50,000 to $3 million and up to five years in prison,” Ms Ardern said.

“The coronial processes are also likely to continue for some time. As a cabinet, we know that it is possible there will be broader issues that won’t be covered by these inquiries.”

The PM added that the cabinet approved a $5 million fund for the impact of recent events, both in Whakatane and Westland.

“This fund will focus on small businesses who may have been adversely affected,” Ms Ardern said. “Obviously, we have criteria that has been established for past events that may have had similar effects on small businesses.”

Jason Griffiths was holidaying with a group of friends when he and couple Karla Mathews and Rick Elzer broke off from the group to visit White Island on December 9.

The PM added that the cabinet approved a $5 million fund for the impact of recent events, both in Whakatane and Westland.

“This fund will focus on small businesses who may have been adversely affected,” Ms Ardern said. “Obviously, we have criteria that has been established for past events that may have had similar effects on small businesses.”

Jason Griffiths was holidaying with a group of friends when he and couple Karla Mathews and Rick Elzer broke off from the group to visit White Island on December 9.

The eruption left Ms Mathews and Mr Elzer missing, presumed dead, while Mr Griffiths, who suffered extensive burns and head trauma, died after being evacuated to hospital.

Ms Mathews was confirmed dead on Sunday evening.

Her brother and sister, on Monday, said their sister had been one of the six bodies recovered from the island on Friday by NZ authorities.

“Our family is absolutely heartbroken and our big sister will be incredibly missed,” Kirk Mathews Boden and Nicola Mathews said in a statement.

“We have an enormous sense of relief that she has finally been found and we patiently wait with the Elzer family for news of Karla’s partner Rick so we are able to bring them home together.”

The family thanked Australian and New Zealand governments for their work following the tragedy.

“We would like to especially thank the New Zealand Police for their unwavering efforts towards reuniting all families with their lost loved ones,” they wrote.

The confirmation came alongside an image of the Coffs Harbour couple, sharply dressed and smiling for the camera.

Relatives of Ms Langford and her husband Anthony, who was confirmed dead on Sunday, issued a statement at the same time.

“Anthony and Kristine, loving parents to Jesse and Winona, were a wonderful couple and devoted to both their immediate and extended families,” the statement reads.

“They will be greatly missed by all who knew them.”

Their 17-year-old daughter, Winona, remains unaccounted for while the couples’ son, Jesse, is receiving “excellent care” and is recovering in hospital, the statement said.

The cruise liner that many of the Australian victims were travelling on at the time of the disaster, the Ovation of the Seas, pulled into Sydney’s Circular Quay just hours earlier.

Thousands of passengers alighted from the ship with many speaking of “eerie” and “sombre” scenes on board when news broke some of their fellow passengers had died ashore.

The ship’s return comes one day after NSW Health confirmed the death of another victim, a man who was repatriated to Australia for treatment but died in Sydney’s Concord Hospital on Saturday.

Meanwhile, the son of two Australians injured in the eruption says the timeline for his parents’ recovery is uncertain and they could face months in hospital.

Sydney couple Nick and Marion London, who are both in a critical condition, were flown back to Australia for treatment last week at Concord Hospital.

They have burns to 50 per cent of their bodies and internal chemical burns from breathing in toxic gases.

Family friend Colin Cool, who met Mr London while working at a radio station in 1978, described the pair as “brothers” and “treated like family”.

“I last saw Nick and Marion when we dined together in the city just over a month ago. They were looking forward to their next cruise on the Ovation of the Seas,” Mr Cool said.

“As regular cruisers, they were no stranger to this vessel. Sadly, this journey was to end tragically for them.”
Mr London and his wife – who met through university while studying physics – are at Concord Hospital where they are being treated for significant burns.

A GoFundMe page set up by family friend Tom Nieuwlandand has nearly reached more than $13,000, which will go towards the medical bills and financial support.

“Thank you everyone for your kindness and generosity so far. We have smashed the initial goal of $5000 which should alleviate some of the short term strain for the London’s but there is
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Reply #103 - Dec 16th, 2019 at 5:07pm
 
cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 4:16pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 12:07pm:
Hi Greggy,
print out this page and show your doctor.

good luck
Bobby



yeah he is even doing the google stats  to make his argument relative.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

his comparisons are always odious ..

here he is mocking 47 people either dead missing or in fearful pain    from a possible once in a lifetime tragedy..

.....with an unbelievable comparison...


only an odious person would stoop to that level bobby...

leave him to it!


The only people being mocked are you and Bobby.

Why don't you care about the 300 people killed on NZ roads every year?

If they were all killed on one day, and the news footage was played for weeks afterwards, would that make you more compassionate?

I'm curious.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 4:16pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 12:07pm:
Hi Greggy,
print out this page and show your doctor.

good luck
Bobby



yeah he is even doing the google stats  to make his argument relative.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

his comparisons are always odious ..

here he is mocking 47 people either dead missing or in fearful pain    from a possible once in a lifetime tragedy..

.....with an unbelievable comparison...


only an odious person would stoop to that level bobby...

leave him to it!


The only people being mocked are you and Bobby.

Why don't you care about the 300 people killed on NZ roads every year?

If they were all killed on one day, and the news footage was played for weeks afterwards, would that make you more compassionate?

I'm curious.




take your crap to films.. its much better suited there..

I think this topic should stay on topic..

its to hard for idiots like you to comprehend...



I used top think you had something relevant to say..

not any more your another bri bri all you do is REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT yourself....

sink lower if you can.....as per usual another thread buggered by the worst troll on the forum
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Reply #105 - Dec 16th, 2019 at 6:22pm
 
cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 5:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 4:16pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 12:07pm:
Hi Greggy,
print out this page and show your doctor.

good luck
Bobby



yeah he is even doing the google stats  to make his argument relative.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

his comparisons are always odious ..

here he is mocking 47 people either dead missing or in fearful pain    from a possible once in a lifetime tragedy..

.....with an unbelievable comparison...


only an odious person would stoop to that level bobby...

leave him to it!


The only people being mocked are you and Bobby.

Why don't you care about the 300 people killed on NZ roads every year?

If they were all killed on one day, and the news footage was played for weeks afterwards, would that make you more compassionate?

I'm curious.




take your crap to films.. its much better suited there..

I think this topic should stay on topic..

its to hard for idiots like you to comprehend...



I used top think you had something relevant to say..

not any more your another bri bri all you do is REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT yourself....

sink lower if you can.....as per usual another thread buggered by the worst troll on the forum


Deaths on roads in NZ from 2015 to 2019 = 1,657

Deaths in volcanoes in NZ from 2015 to 2019 = 16

"tourists should be kept away forever".

From roads too, cods?

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Reply #106 - Dec 16th, 2019 at 7:35pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 4:16pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 12:07pm:
Hi Greggy,
print out this page and show your doctor.

good luck
Bobby



yeah he is even doing the google stats  to make his argument relative.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

his comparisons are always odious ..

here he is mocking 47 people either dead missing or in fearful pain    from a possible once in a lifetime tragedy..

.....with an unbelievable comparison...


only an odious person would stoop to that level bobby...

leave him to it!


The only people being mocked are you and Bobby.

Why don't you care about the 300 people killed on NZ roads every year?

If they were all killed on one day, and the news footage was played for weeks afterwards, would that make you more compassionate?

I'm curious.


If you really are curious, research how many trip/person/days there are on NZ roads/year and divide by the number of deaths.
Then do the same for visiting White Island.  Get back to us with the answer.

If you are just trolling Bobby that's fine, he thought a new Ice Age was coming.  But if you really think you have a case here, you have no facts at all.

Standing by on Channel 16.

...

Edit: Just googled to find that 10,000 people visit White Island each year.  That's a death rate this year of 160 per 100,000.   Sounds risky.
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Reply #107 - Dec 16th, 2019 at 8:14pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 11:03am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 10:59am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 10:49am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 7:11am:
No Cods,
tourists should be kept away forever.
It's a place for scientists only.
Even then it's too dangerous.


cods baled out (as usual).

So I'll ask you.

Why don't you want tourists (and locals) kept away from New Zealand roads?

The roads are far, far more dangerous than the volcano.

300 people a year die on NZ roads - how many die in the volcano?




Dear Greggy,
There is a fallacy in your argument.
Road rules apply which state for instance
that you cannot exceed the speed limit.
In the same way certain volcanic areas
can be visited and others are off limits.




The fallacy is all yours.

You say you want the government to stop people visiting the volcano because it's dangerous.

We all know for a fact that NZ roads are thousands of times more dangerous than the volcano, yet you aren't demanding that the government stop people from using them.

Why do you only care about deaths in a volcano?

Don't the 334 deaths on NZ roads this year matter to you?

Is it only people you see on popular news stories that you care about?

Arent you against gun ownership? Roads kill many more people than guns. Lets give everyone a gun.
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Reply #108 - Dec 16th, 2019 at 8:25pm
 
random wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 7:35pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 4:16pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 12:07pm:
Hi Greggy,
print out this page and show your doctor.

good luck
Bobby



yeah he is even doing the google stats  to make his argument relative.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

his comparisons are always odious ..

here he is mocking 47 people either dead missing or in fearful pain    from a possible once in a lifetime tragedy..

.....with an unbelievable comparison...


only an odious person would stoop to that level bobby...

leave him to it!


The only people being mocked are you and Bobby.

Why don't you care about the 300 people killed on NZ roads every year?

If they were all killed on one day, and the news footage was played for weeks afterwards, would that make you more compassionate?

I'm curious.


If you really are curious, research how many trip/person/days there are on NZ roads/year and divide by the number of deaths.
Then do the same for visiting White Island.  Get back to us with the answer.

If you are just trolling Bobby that's fine, he thought a new Ice Age was coming.  But if you really think you have a case here, you have no facts at all.

Standing by on Channel 16.

https://media.giphy.com/media/tFK8urY6XHj2w/giphy.gif

Edit: Just googled to find that 10,000 people visit White Island each year.  That's a death rate this year of 160 per 100,000.   Sounds risky.


Being on NZ roads is thousands of times more hazardous than being in a NZ volcano.

What part of that don't you, Bobby, cods, and rhino understand?

I'm curious.

Deaths on roads in NZ from 2015 to 2019 = 1,657

Deaths in volcanoes in NZ from 2015 to 2019 = 16

Year nine maths, innit?

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Keep going Greggy - I'll delete all your crap in a few days.
You're just providing more evidence.
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Reply #110 - Dec 16th, 2019 at 8:28pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 8:25pm:
random wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 7:35pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 4:16pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 12:07pm:
Hi Greggy,
print out this page and show your doctor.

good luck
Bobby



yeah he is even doing the google stats  to make his argument relative.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

his comparisons are always odious ..

here he is mocking 47 people either dead missing or in fearful pain    from a possible once in a lifetime tragedy..

.....with an unbelievable comparison...


only an odious person would stoop to that level bobby...

leave him to it!


The only people being mocked are you and Bobby.

Why don't you care about the 300 people killed on NZ roads every year?

If they were all killed on one day, and the news footage was played for weeks afterwards, would that make you more compassionate?

I'm curious.


If you really are curious, research how many trip/person/days there are on NZ roads/year and divide by the number of deaths.
Then do the same for visiting White Island.  Get back to us with the answer.

If you are just trolling Bobby that's fine, he thought a new Ice Age was coming.  But if you really think you have a case here, you have no facts at all.

Standing by on Channel 16.

https://media.giphy.com/media/tFK8urY6XHj2w/giphy.gif

Edit: Just googled to find that 10,000 people visit White Island each year.  That's a death rate this year of 160 per 100,000.   Sounds risky.


Being on NZ roads in thousands of times more risky than being in a NZ volcano.

What part of that don't you, Bobby, cods, and rhino understand?

I'm curious.
Incorrect,  no one road is as dangerous as that one volcano. There is no excuse for deliberate stupidity Pecca.
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Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 8:28pm:
Keep going Greggy - I'll delete all your crap in a few days.
You're just providing more evidence.


Deaths on roads in NZ from 2015 to 2019 = 1,657

Deaths in volcanoes in NZ from 2015 to 2019 = 16

Is 1,657 more than 16, Bobby?

I'm curious.

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rhino wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 8:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 8:25pm:
random wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 7:35pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 4:16pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 12:07pm:
Hi Greggy,
print out this page and show your doctor.

good luck
Bobby



yeah he is even doing the google stats  to make his argument relative.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

his comparisons are always odious ..

here he is mocking 47 people either dead missing or in fearful pain    from a possible once in a lifetime tragedy..

.....with an unbelievable comparison...


only an odious person would stoop to that level bobby...

leave him to it!


The only people being mocked are you and Bobby.

Why don't you care about the 300 people killed on NZ roads every year?

If they were all killed on one day, and the news footage was played for weeks afterwards, would that make you more compassionate?

I'm curious.


If you really are curious, research how many trip/person/days there are on NZ roads/year and divide by the number of deaths.
Then do the same for visiting White Island.  Get back to us with the answer.

If you are just trolling Bobby that's fine, he thought a new Ice Age was coming.  But if you really think you have a case here, you have no facts at all.

Standing by on Channel 16.

https://media.giphy.com/media/tFK8urY6XHj2w/giphy.gif

Edit: Just googled to find that 10,000 people visit White Island each year.  That's a death rate this year of 160 per 100,000.   Sounds risky.


Being on NZ roads in thousands of times more risky than being in a NZ volcano.

What part of that don't you, Bobby, cods, and rhino understand?

I'm curious.
Incorrect,  no one road is as dangerous as that one volcano. There is no excuse for deliberate stupidity Pecca.


Take you childish stupidity elsewhere.

And learn some basic maths while you're at it.

Deaths on roads in NZ from 2015 to 2019 = 1,657

Deaths in volcanoes in NZ from 2015 to 2019 = 16
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Reply #113 - Dec 16th, 2019 at 9:13pm
 
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Incorrect,  no one road is as dangerous as that one volcano. There is no excuse for deliberate stupidity Pecca.



really?

SH2 from Katikati to Tauranga: 18 deaths, 35 serious, 95 minor

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/08/nz-s-most-dangerous-roads-rev...


and that's only a small section of that highway .. travel further up and down and the death rate increases

l do agree with one thing you said, even if you didn't realise you were talking about yourself ..........There is no excuse for deliberate stupidity Grin Grin
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Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 8:28pm:
Keep going Greggy - I'll delete all your crap in a few days.
You're just providing more evidence.



dont delete anything....

its what dictators do..
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more people die in beds than anywhere else..

how about we ban beds while we are at it..

seeing as thats far more important than anyone being maimed or killed...by a volcanic explosion.
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cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2019 at 9:55pm:
more people die in beds than anywhere else..

how about we ban beds while we are at it..

seeing as thats far more important than anyone being maimed or killed...by a volcanic explosion.


I'm not the one wanting to ban anything, cods.

Nor am I saying what's more important.

You are.

What I want to know is, why you want to ban something that has only killed 16 people in the last few years, but don't want to ban something that has killed 1,600 people.

So ... ? 

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More details have emerged about the team tasked with retrieving the bodies of those killed in the White Island volcano and the tough conditions they faced.

Seven members of the Defence Force’s SAS E Squadron and their commander boarded the HMNZS Wellington and made their way to White Island at first light on Friday morning.

They were wearing three layers of protective clothing and a 15kg breathing set.

The eight then transferred from the Navy ship to the ash-covered jetty by rigid inflatable boat.

New Zealand Defence senior officer Colonel Rian McKinstry said he “feared for them”.

“ … but there was no sense that (the soldiers) had concern for themselves and that risk,” he told the NZ Herald.

He said the soldiers bodies were drenched in sweat and their lungs were gasping for fresh air after the retrieval of the deceased.

“One soldier told me that he was down on his hands and knees taking in air,” McKinstry said.

“He looked up and everyone else was doing exactly the same thing.

“They were exhausted, the physical toll was just severe dehydration.

“There was also a strong sense of relief … they were relieved that they had gotten the job done.”

McKinstry also revealed members of the mixed male and female elite team were involved in recovery efforts during the 2011 Fukushima nuclear power plant disaster, Christchurch quake, and March 15 terror attack.

“Tragically, they all have some experience in this type of work,” he told the NZ Herald.

“But none of them had experience in wearing that kind of gear for two or three hours on an active volcano.

On Monday, the team reunited for a debrief.

The unit’s commander, who could only be identified as Matt, earlier this week told local media when they reached the bodies in the crater they hit dense mud.

“It was unbelievable, not a condition we train for or ever expect to operate in, it’s just so much hotter than you could expect,” he said.
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Re: New Zealand volcano
Reply #119 - Dec 18th, 2019 at 1:43pm
 
New Zealand Tourism offers spectacular factory-fire visits for extreme tour-sports.  Leave your ID with Police and foot-wear is optional.  Traditional fire-walkings skills are easy with our helpful instructors. See how many selfies can be snapped before smoke shuts you down.
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Re: New Zealand volcano
Reply #120 - Dec 25th, 2019 at 8:16am
 
One of the Australian victims killed in the volcanic eruption off New Zealand has been named as Sydney father Chris Cozad.

Mr Cozad was evacuated from the devastating incident on White Island and died five days later, becoming the 16th death, with his identity confirmed today.

The official death toll now sits at 19. The 43-year-old was on Ovation of the Seas cruise ship celebrating his 20-year wedding anniversary with his family when the disaster occurred.

“I will forever treasure every second I got to spend with him, the values he has instilled within me and the love he showered me, my sisters and my mum in,” Mr Cozad’s daughter Emily said in a post on social media.

“He is someone I will forever look up to and he will be so so so missed. He was and forever will be, the most perfect dad.”


so sad so cruel  RIP..Chris, Cry
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