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Reply #30 - Feb 24th, 2020 at 8:19pm
 
Why are electric cars not replacing the conventional cars?
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Because, people can not be fooled.

EV cars have so many drawbacks that they are simply deal breakers :

Range is not a problem, in a gasoline car, even a car with 200 KM range is Ok, since you can refill in minutes.

The problem is the charging time, which can be full day from home (giving you have a house and a Garage, most people don’t) or 1–4 hours from a fast charger. Anything that refills in more than 5 min is NOT ACCEPTABLE for anyone who have a real job. Arguments like lunch or coffee while charging is really desperate! You are just trying to find something to do while your appliance is charging!

Range Inconsistence, Some car claims to have 500 KM of range (That’s expensive), but actually that only applies to the city driving, on highways, with higher speeds, you could easily drop to 1/3 or half the range! That does not happen with an ICE car.

It’s not fun! and yeah, that’s important. No engine sounds, no gear shifts, it sounds like an electric appliance.

They are expensive, A Tesla model 3 that basically looks like a Mazda 3 crashed into a bump starts from 35,000 $, and you will have to reach 60,000 $ to have a useful range. That’s a very poor car that starts from the BMW Series 3 price up to the price of a Jaguar E-Type.
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Reply #31 - Apr 6th, 2020 at 12:50pm
 
Teslas have high tire wear due to the very high acceleration from start.
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Reply #32 - Apr 6th, 2020 at 1:00pm
 
giving you have a house and a Garage, most people don’t



Actually a lot do.
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Reply #33 - Apr 6th, 2020 at 1:00pm
 
https://www.skoda-auto.com/news/news-detail/vision-e



Drools, since juliars problem seems to be with Teslas should have no problems with this one
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Reply #34 - Apr 7th, 2020 at 4:30pm
 
BH you know you are technically agnostic.

All electric heaps share most of the same impractical problems.

Australians don't want them.

BH would you want to be saddled with one of these electric toasters on wheels and have to wait 3 hours for a charge ?

BH do you think you could recharge your electric appliance over night with your solar panels ?
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Reply #35 - Apr 7th, 2020 at 9:05pm
 
true thats why you only have to wait 30 mins on a chrge
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Reply #36 - Apr 8th, 2020 at 10:12am
 
BH you are forgiven for being technically agnostic - you forget about the electric toasters on wheels queued up in front of you.

But you could easily recharge your electric toaster on wheels with your solar panels over night.

Now what armchair waving BH HATES and AVOIDS - reality!!!  And especially Google which gives him Google Bumps!!!!



Unhappy Tesla owners wait in long line to have their electric cars charged
2018-03-05 19:00

The future of electric vehicles according to energy experts
California - Tesla owners in California were photographed waiting in a long line to charge their electric vehicles.

A tweet, posted on Monday 5 March, shows at least 10 cars parked behind one another.

READ: Electric cars are changing the world and they’re just getting started

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The photograph was also the subject of a thread on Reddit: "Mountain View, California Tesla Supercharger waiting line approximately one hour ago... (When a 45 minute recharge becomes a 4 hour nightmare)"


Mark B. Spiegel
Mar 5, 2018
Mountain View, California $TSLA Supercharger waiting line approximately one hour ago...

Ready for the mass market!

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Mark B. Spiegel
@markbspiegel
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Mar 5, 2018
Update from a moment ago... The line is now 10-deep-- I can't wait to see the fights break out between the S/X drivers and the plebian Model 3 drivers, lol...

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Reply #37 - Apr 8th, 2020 at 10:48am
 
Australia’s emerging issue of congestion at electric vehicle charging stations
OCTOBER 26, 2019 DAVE SOUTHGATE

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Congestion at electric vehicle charging stations seems to be a rapidly emerging issue.

The recent influx of second generation EVs, with their greater range, is enticing many more drivers into taking regional or longer distance EV road trips.

A lot of us now seem to be turning up at the same charger at the same time.

In a recent road trip article I wrote for The Driven, I described a congestion situation at the NRMA charger at Mittagong which generated lots of comments.


As a result of these comments, and discussions with friends, I think it is worthwhile airing some possible responses to this situation.

In the long term, I assume we will reach a state of equilibrium and the supply of chargers will more or less meet demand. The challenge is in the short term as we navigate the ICE to EV transition.

How can we use our chargers most effectively?

In this article I want to focus my comments on congestion at en route rapid chargers which are mainly used by travellers.

Managing congestion at destination chargers is quite a different issue – I’ve been caught out a few times by that problem as well.

At the Charger
Encouraging drivers to stay with their car

It seems to me that a lot of the congestion ill-feeling is generated by drivers who simply hook‑up their cars for a full charge and then disappear.

A simple solution to this situation would be to incorporate some form of timer into all chargers.



At the end of a specified time period a charger would be designed to halt charging and release the cable (this could require some modification to current car design rules).

I think a maximum charge time of 30 mins would be appropriate. This amount of time would allow the driver to have a toilet break and grab a cup of coffee.

Thirty minutes of DC charging takes our Leaf from 20% to 80% full. If there is no queue the driver can simply re‑start the charging if desired.

Remove free charging
At the moment many EV chargers do not have a monetary charge.

This is providing a strong incentive for local drivers to regularly charge their cars at en route chargers.

I look forward to the day when all chargers impose a cost and believe that the cost of the electricity should be more than domestic rates so that charging at home is cheaper.

Having said that, I recognise that some EV owners without the ability to charge at home (eg apartment dwellers; houses without off‑street parking) will often have little choice but to ‘fill up’ at chargers used by travellers.

Notices encouraging reasonable behaviour
I would like to see some form of charging behaviour protocol developed and have this prominently displayed on chargers.

I don’t think it’s too hard to think of a list of ‘dos and don’ts’ which most of us would like to see adhered to.



These would in effect just seek that EV drivers consider other people and be aware of the inconvenience they can cause other travellers through thoughtless behaviour.

More Chargers?
Many people’s response to congestion is simply to say ‘add another charger’. I’m somewhat wary of this approach.

In the first instance, at many current charging locations it is likely to be technically difficult to simply add more chargers due to site constraints (eg lack of power; lack of parking space).

Maybe more importantly, at the moment it seems to me that many of the congestion problems are more related to poor behaviour than real lack of charging capacity.

I would favour behaviour control being introduced before charger replication at any given site.

As more chargers are rolled out across the country I believe careful consideration needs to be given to where they are located. System design is important.

In the long run I can envisage multiple futuristic EV charging stations with all sorts of shops and cafes along the length of our major highways but at this preliminary stage in the transition I think we should aim for having a dispersed charging network.

I believe it is important not to solely concentrate new chargers on a few ‘thick routes’ (eg the Hume Highway) as a kneejerk reaction to intermittent congestion.

I think the NRMA is doing the right thing by spreading its chargers throughout regional centres in NSW. This will hopefully have the effect of dispersing, rather than concentrating, EV travel.

Changing the Mindset
At the moment it seems to me that many EV drivers have a state of mind built around the petrol car: drive fast until you run out of fuel; fill up; and then repeat the process as many times as needed until you get to your destination.

This doesn’t necessarily work for EVs. I believe with a change of mindset we can reduce the amount of rapid charging that is undertaken.

Minimising rapid charging is both good for your EV and good for congestion.


Slow down – you will get there faster!
The efficiency of any car is reduced the faster it goes.

If you hare along in an EV you will use more energy and hence reduce your range.


Read on why Australians do NOT want these inconvenient electric appliances

https://thedriven.io/2019/10/26/congestion-pax-how-to-behave-at-electric-vehicle...
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Reply #38 - Apr 8th, 2020 at 10:53am
 
Captain Pugwash • 5 months ago
We should be looking at more advanced markets rather than trying to come up with bespoke solutions that rely on people being nice. It won’t take long before you get charger rage, and that’s before less EV community minded people start buying EVs. There are lots of lessons to be learnt from overseas and lots of lessons still to be learnt the hard way.

I only entered the world of EV ownership a month ago and I intentionally picked an EV with the longest possible range for this very reason. I wanted charging on the road to be the exception not the rule and I expected congestion to be an issue. One charger at a location is a token effort at best and was always going to a weak point in the charging network.. Tesla, Ionity, Electrify American and now Chargefox and Evie seem to understand that you need 6 chargers or similar at a location on major highways. Look at some of the supercharger stations in Norway. They have row after row of chargers. Ultimately I can see some sort of automated queuing system to get people in and out quickly.

Then you have the issue of charging speed. My car does 200kW plus peak but some brand new models can only manage 50kW. Should the faster cars be using the faster chargers, should a Leaf hook up to and “ hog” a 350kW charger? We need smart solutions that don’t rely on people being nice to strangers. Just look at our government policy on being nice to “ others”. Enough said...... not that we shouldn’t push to raise the bar and expectations.


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https://thedriven.io/2019/10/26/congestion-pax-how-to-behave-at-electric-vehicle...
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Reply #39 - Apr 8th, 2020 at 11:01am
 
Electric cars: the uncomfortable truth
Andrew Frankel DECEMBER 12TH 2018 - LAST UPDATED: DECEMBER 3RD 2019

Electric cars are just another bridge to the real answer, reckons Andrew Frankel  (Hydrogen!!!!)

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Audi e-tron

This Saturday I was meant to be doing a race like no other. For personal and professional scheduling reasons (altogether too boring to go into) I had to decline the opportunity, which is a shame.

Otherwise, I’d have been lining up on Saudi Arabia’s Ad Diriyah circuit to race a Jaguar I-Pace in the first round of the first-ever one-make race series for pure electric cars.

The I-Pace is the best electric car on sale at present but, like them all, it’s still heavy and all but silent, not qualities you’d usually associate with the creation of a great racing car. But I don’t know what I’d have thought of the car and it would have been fascinating to find out.

It was no less fascinating to drive Audi’s first all-electric car in the Abu Dhabi desert last week. This isn’t a review – there are other, more pressing things to say – but for those who are interested, the e-tron is an expensive five-seat SUV, just like the I-Pace, but takes a rather different approach.

While the Jaguar is unashamedly avant-garde in design, as if to celebrate the new technology it contains, the Audi is quite the reverse. It is as conservative in style and execution as any other Audi, as if the idea of driving an electric car is already quite adventurous enough… I prefer Jaguar’s strategy, but Audi’s may be more appealing over time.

Battery electric vehicles (BEVs) will come to dominate in the medium-term but they are not the long-term answer
Back to the desert. We were told the speed limit was 75mph, and to adhere rigidly to it because the penalties for transgressors were steep.

Of course the cynic in me also thought this would help preserve battery life on what was an ambitiously long route for an electric car, and Audi probably wouldn’t want journalists running out of juice all over the Emirate. But then we found a new stretch of motorway with a clearly posted speed limit of 100mph, so I cruised along in triple figures, expecting the range to be decimated.

We then got lost in the desert and found ourselves on an arrow-straight dirt track with visibility measurable in dozens of miles in every direction – so I came over all Dakar warrior and, let’s just say, didn’t hang around on that surface either. Yet the e-tron still did 200 miles before reaching an allotted stop and still had 50 miles of range left when Audi took it back.

More: Lola’s all-electric race car project that never was

So far so good. And, extraordinarily, Audi had brought a mobile charging station along that provided another 200 miles of range in less than half an hour. At home I would have had to leave it all night to charge.

And this is just the start: Audi’s charger was rated at 150kW; a 3-pin plug at home is rated at about 3.6kW.

But a new generation of even faster chargers from a European manufacturer’s consortium called Ionity is rolling out all over Europe and will be in the UK next year. These can charge at up to 350kW meaning that – according to its website – ‘a vehicle capable of the full 350kW charging power can be charged in approx. 10-15 minutes’.

Put another way, on the rare occasions we do really long distances, we’ll have to stop for a quick coffee every three to four hours, which most of us might choose to do anyway.

More: “For a company like Tesla, this whiffs of desperation”

But that’s the tipping point. I reckon that a normal fuel stop for a car with an average sized tank takes around seven minutes from engine off to engine on – if there’s not too much of a queue for the tills, if you don’t need the loo and if you don’t spend too long agonising over sandwich choice. But in a petrol or diesel car, you have no choice but to leave home with whatever’s in the tank, while in an electric car you’ll always leave home with a full battery, reducing the chance of needing to stop in the first place.

So the future is finally here, we can embrace electricity, abandon fossil fuels and surge into a brave, new and environmentally unimpeachable new world order of personal transport.

Or can we?


As it stands, the truth today is rather different. Right now, there is nowhere in the UK you can charge at even 150kW, let alone 350kW, and that’s because until now there have been no cars on sale that can accept a 150kW charge. The Audi e-tron is the first.

But let’s say that’s just an infrastructure issue and, within 5 years the country is plastered with stations capable of 350kW or more, and the roads full of cars that can accept a zap of that magnitude.

Where is all that power going to come from when our poor old national grid gets a fit of the vapors if too many people switch the kettle on at the same time?

And how is the govt going to replace those billions currently raised in fuel tax? It will have no choice but to tax electricity in the same way, so if you’re expecting it still to be cheap to top up your battery, you will absolutely be needing to think again.


Read on why these electric heaps are doomed just like in the 1800's.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/road-cars/electric-cars-uncomfortabl...
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Reply #40 - Apr 8th, 2020 at 12:18pm
 
ead on why Australians do NOT want these inconvenient electric appliance



Wow try reading the article. Its not arguing what you think it does as all.
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Reply #41 - Apr 8th, 2020 at 1:03pm
 
BH U R just trying your round and round the mulberry bush stuff again.

I am well aware of what the article actually says and it repudiates your petty attempts at playing your circular games of just half denying everything.  But keep going if that sort of stuff amuses you.  Small things etc. I will leave you to it as it becomes rather boring after a while.
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Reply #42 - Apr 8th, 2020 at 1:28pm
 
It doesn't give you reasons not to buy an EV, just things to look out for.
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Reply #43 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 10:33am
 
BH I hope you buy one of these dangerous unsafe pollution spewing very inconvenient electric heaps and discover for yourself why Australians don't want them.
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