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Nov 29th, 2019 at 2:04pm
 
Cost of submarines sails past $200 billion    Shocked

Nov 29, 2019  Financial review

The estimated cost of building and maintaining Australia's new submarines has swelled to $225 billion over the fleet's life, according to evidence from a senior Defence official.

The head of the navy's submarine program, Greg Sammut, revealed the cost of sustaining the fleet once operational would be $145 billion when adjusted for inflation – much higher than first thought.

Rear Admiral Greg Sammut has revealed the cost of building and sustaining the new submarine fleet has sailed past $200 billion.   Shocked

Building the 12 boats, acquiring weapons systems and associated infrastructure such as wharf upgrades was on track to cost taxpayers $80 billion.

Labor has also seized on Rear Admiral Sammut's admission that construction of the first submarine will not start in 2022-23 as scheduled.

Instead, Rear Admiral Sammut said "hull qualification" activities would be conducted in that time frame, evaluating the tools, personnel and processes to be used to build the pressure hull. Work on the first boat itself would start in 2024.


"We've stated there is high risk connected to this program in terms of all things we are doing. We continue to monitor schedule as we move forward," he said.

"If that hull qualification section is of sufficient quality, it may be possible for us to use that in the first submarine. However, we are not banking on that."

The first submarine is due to be delivered to the navy in about 2032, with the last submarine expected to be retired from service in the 2080s.
Acquisition, sustainment blowouts

The budget figure most often associated with the submarine is $50 billion in acquisition costs in constant dollars. Rear Admiral Sammut has previously put the cost of acquisition at $80 billion when inflation is factored in.

Rear Admiral Sammut last year put the sustainment cost at $50 billion in constant dollars, which the Australian Strategic Policy Institute estimated was $124 billion after inflation.

Rear Admiral Sammut said the most recent estimate was now $145 billion out to 2080.

"That is a rough estimate as we enter the program, noting we have to develop more accurate life support costs as the boat is designed and developed," he said.

Labor's assistant defence spokesman Pat Conroy said he had "zero confidence" the government could deliver the submarine project given the schedule and cost blowouts.
Then Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull was surrounded by a large contingent of Liberal politicians at the $35b frigates announcement.

Estimates also heard on Friday that the US will not compensate Australia over the destruction of a brand new $120 million fighter jet after its engine blew up on the runway waiting to take off.

The Royal Australian Air Force bought 12 Boeing-built EA-18G Growler aircraft, but was forced to write one of them off after the aircraft skidded off the runway and burst into flames at a Las Vegas air base in January last year. The two pilots survived.

"The US have advised us they are not able to provide compensation for the full cost of the aircraft," Air Force chief Mel Hupfeld said.   Sad

Centre Alliance Senator Rex Patrick was stunned the US was not going to compensate Australia for the loss of the aircraft given it failed because of mechanical failure, not pilot error.

Air Vice-Marshal Greg Hoffmann said the government had subsequently conducted due diligence with the US military and confirmed that the services essentially had to "self-insure" and assume the financial risk for the loss of an aircraft.
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Reply #1 - Nov 29th, 2019 at 2:07pm
 
Where's the money coming from?.   Sad 
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Reply #2 - Nov 29th, 2019 at 2:24pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Nov 29th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Where's the money coming from?.   Sad 



Borrowed money just like all the other money.
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Reply #3 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 4:26pm
 
How much would an invasion cost ?
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Reply #4 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 6:04pm
 
juliar wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 4:26pm:
How much would an invasion cost ?


In China:

"Mr President, we have control of the Western Pacific, including New Guinea, but we can't move our fleet into the Coral Sea."

"Why the hell not?"

"The Australian Navy may have a submarine there."

"Why can't we just kill it? We have destroyers that can do that!"

"It's a pretty good submarine."
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Reply #5 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 2:24am
 
The first submarine is due to be delivered to the navy in about 2032.   Sad
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Reply #6 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 2:59am
 
whiteknight wrote on Dec 2nd, 2019 at 2:24am:
The first submarine is due to be delivered to the navy in about 2032.   Sad

That's as about as late as you posting after 3am (DLS) in the morning and me reading it.
The War will be over by then.

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Reply #7 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 10:57am
 
But we have the mighty US NAVY and Airforce looking after us.

We need the subs to assist the US forces as we can't expect the US to do everything for us. Plus the subs provide work for Australians.

What country in the world risks all by having NO defences ?

Also we need sea power to stop Labor RESTARTING the BOATS.
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Reply #8 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 11:00am
 
Where's the money coming from?.   Sad
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Reply #9 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 11:03am
 
Gosh the inarticulate uneducated union/GetUp!/Greeny propaganda parrot BlackDay is really struggling to string more than 2 words together. He would not know what day it is unless GetUp! told him.
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Reply #10 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 11:09am
 
juliar wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 4:26pm:
How much would an invasion cost ?


Little more than a baguette.........
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Reply #11 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 11:10am
 
The usual response from juliar the court jester.   Grin 
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Reply #12 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 11:18am
 
Gosh the inarticulate uneducated union/GetUp!/Greeny propaganda parrot BlackDay who struggles to string more than 2 words together is annoyed. He is shaking on his perch.

The dumb coot has no idea of what an invasion would cost.
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Reply #13 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 11:29am
 
So on one hand we are told the subs will cost $50 billion.  Then we are told that it could work out to well over $200 billion.  Which is it?.  Not to worry though, as juliar ( the court jester ) thinks its alright.   Sad 
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Reply #14 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 11:33am
 
Poor old BlackDay the squawking parrot who doesn't even know what day it is is tripping up on his own garbled attempt at stringing more than two words together. He is a tribute to GetUp!'s  Hillsong Revivalist Indoctrination Sessions.


So many people here (BlackDay included) are out of their depth. The strategic importance of these subs is worth much more than $225bn especially with the increasing threat of China. Nuclear subs aren’t suitable for this theater and we don’t have the depth of industry to support them. Diesel subs are a much better fit for our needs.

And there will be a surplus of diesel in the world as hydrogen steadily advances.

So $375m per sub per year . Plus if you google the topic you find “diesel boats are generally easier and cheaper to field—and can carry most of the neat-o gizmos a nuclear boat carries.

On top of this, they also tend to run quieter than boats with a nuclear reactor, and in an arena of warfare where noise equals death, they remain an attractive option”

In littorial oceans like those around Australia Nuclear Subs are a liability. Non nuclear subs can turn off engines but Nuclear subs can't.
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