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Re: Should Australia adopt nuclear weapons?
Reply #30 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:08pm

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That was 'cause Stalin didn't believe that Germany would attack in June 1941. He was expecting an attack in the next year in 1942, which he wanted to pre-empt with his own attack.

You missed my point - trade was taking place.

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We not beholden to either "Mother England" or to "Uncle Sam" for anything, Bobby. A**US is a piece of paper that has proved basically worthless to us.

It's all we've got.
Also - NZ doesn't have even one jet fighter!

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The Chinese population is nearly all in China, Bobby. They are only a threat to those countries on mainland Asia which surround it. They lack, as I keep pointing out the means and the ability to project their power to Australia. Time to stop running 'round like a chook with it's head cut off. Roll Eyes

China nearly has its second aircraft carrier.
They are developing hypersonic missiles.
They have nuclear weapons.
China is building it's navy larger every day.
China has far more troops than us.
There is nothing stopping China from smuggling
whole armies inside ordinary freight ships -
a bit like a Trojan horse.
Brian - you're a very naive person.

What we need is an arms reduction treaty in SEA.
It should include India as well.
We just can't sit back and watch while China turns
into a military superpower and do nothing.

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Re: Should Australia adopt nuclear weapons?
Reply #31 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:19pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:08pm:

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That was 'cause Stalin didn't believe that Germany would attack in June 1941. He was expecting an attack in the next year in 1942, which he wanted to pre-empt with his own attack.

You missed my point - trade was taking place.

You missed my point. Barbarossa was a surprise attack. That rather means that the victims are surprised, Bobby. So obviously trade was going to take place before the Germans crossed the border. Roll Eyes

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We not beholden to either "Mother England" or to "Uncle Sam" for anything, Bobby. A**US is a piece of paper that has proved basically worthless to us.

It's all we've got.

And every time we've called on the US for help, they've knocked us back, despite us paying our premium in blood (Vietnam, Somalia, Afganistan, Iraq)... Roll Eyes

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Also - NZ doesn't have even one jet fighter!

New Zealand doesn't need jet fighters - they are too far away to do anything with them. Roll Eyes

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The Chinese population is nearly all in China, Bobby. They are only a threat to those countries on mainland Asia which surround it. They lack, as I keep pointing out the means and the ability to project their power to Australia. Time to stop running 'round like a chook with it's head cut off. Roll Eyes

China nearly has its second aircraft carrier.

Who cares? They can't even use their first aircraft carrier effectively.

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They are developing hypersonic missiles.
They have nuclear weapons.
China is building it's navy larger every day.
China has far more troops than us.
There is nothing stopping China from smuggling
whole armies inside ordinary freight ships -
a bit like a Trojan horse.
Brian - you're a very naive person.

Who cares? They are not a military threat to Australia (at the moment). They don't need to smuggle "whole armies" anywhere. They can buy what they like from us. Roll Eyes

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What we need is an arms reduction treaty in SEA.
It should include India as well.
We just can't sit back and watch while China turns
into a military superpower and do nothing.

What an admirable idea, Bobby. When are you trotting off to Beijing to put this to Xi Jinping? I look forward to reading/seeing your efforts at a peace initiative.

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Re: Should Australia adopt nuclear weapons?
Reply #32 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:31pm

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What an admirable idea, Bobby.
When are you trotting off to Beijing to put this to Xi Jinping?
I look forward to reading/seeing your efforts at a peace initiative.

Brian,
Obviously I wouldn't - you smart arse.
It's up to our useless Govt. to do something to
ease the tensions in SEA.
We could get the Yanks to help us with negotiations -
we could threaten to have American nuclear missile bases on Australian soil
and some of the largest American military bases in the world
for conventional weapons right here.

Brian - you act like Neville Chamberlain.
You're an appeaser to a country that is building up
just like Hitler did.
China clearly is striving for an offensive military rather than defensive.
That's not acceptable in a world where we want peace and security.

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Re: Should Australia adopt nuclear weapons?
Reply #33 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:54pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:31pm:

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What an admirable idea, Bobby.
When are you trotting off to Beijing to put this to Xi Jinping?
I look forward to reading/seeing your efforts at a peace initiative.

Brian,
Obviously I wouldn't - you smart arse.
It's up to our useless Govt. to do something to
ease the tensions in SEA.
We could get the Yanks to help us with negotiations -
we could threaten to have American nuclear missile bases on Australian soil
and some of the largest American military bases in the world
for conventional weapons right here.

Brian - you act like Neville Chamberlain.
You're an appeaser to a country that is building up
just like Hitler did.
China clearly is striving for an offensive military rather than defensive.
That's not acceptable in a world where we want peace and security.

Appears I touched a nerve there, Bobby.

You would surrender the very sovereignty that you are claiming to protect to the biggest kid on the block 'cause some bullies threatened you in your imagination.

You have proclaimed me an "appeaser", all without evidence. I have not suggested we surrender a thing. I have questioned whether nuclear weapons are the panacea that you believe. I have questioned whether we can afford nuclear weapons and we have the political will to sustain a campaign to build them. Nothing more. If that is IYO "appeasement" then I suggest you look up the definition in a dictionary, mate, 'cause you're a long way away from it. Roll Eyes

In reality, I have actually made it clear, several times now, that we need to be on our guard against external aggressors. China is not the only threat we face. It isn't even the most immediate threat we face.

Run along, you're not willing to back your words with deeds. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8432 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Should Australia adopt nuclear weapons? Reply #34 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 11:55pm Should Australia be adopting Nuclear Arms? Well, if we allowed late term abortions, we wouldn't need to worry about adopting at all.
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Re: Should Australia adopt nuclear weapons?
Reply #35 - Nov 29^th, 2019 at 5:33am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:31pm:

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What an admirable idea, Bobby.
When are you trotting off to Beijing to put this to Xi Jinping?
I look forward to reading/seeing your efforts at a peace initiative.

Brian,
Obviously I wouldn't - you smart arse.
It's up to our useless Govt. to do something to
ease the tensions in SEA.
We could get the Yanks to help us with negotiations -
we could threaten to have American nuclear missile bases on Australian soil
and some of the largest American military bases in the world
for conventional weapons right here.

Brian - you act like Neville Chamberlain.
You're an appeaser to a country that is building up
just like Hitler did.
China clearly is striving for an offensive military rather than defensive.
That's not acceptable in a world where we want peace and security.

Appears I touched a nerve there, Bobby.

You would surrender the very sovereignty that you are claiming to protect to the biggest kid on the block 'cause some bullies threatened you in your imagination.

You have proclaimed me an "appeaser", all without evidence. I have not suggested we surrender a thing. I have questioned whether nuclear weapons are the panacea that you believe. I have questioned whether we can afford nuclear weapons and we have the political will to sustain a campaign to build them. Nothing more. If that is IYO "appeasement" then I suggest you look up the definition in a dictionary, mate, 'cause you're a long way away from it. Roll Eyes

In reality, I have actually made it clear, several times now, that we need to be on our guard against external aggressors. China is not the only threat we face. It isn't even the most immediate threat we face.

Run along, you're not willing to back your words with deeds. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Brian,
We are so outnumbered that we have to be like Israel.
That's all I'm saying.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 40524 Gender:	Re: Should Australia adopt nuclear weapons? Reply #36 - Nov 29^th, 2019 at 6:51pm Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:19pm: And every time we've called on the US for help, they've knocked us back, despite us paying our premium in blood (Vietnam, Somalia, Afganistan, Iraq)... Give us the examples of those' every times', Bwian. Go on.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 46487 Gender:	Re: Should Australia adopt nuclear weapons? Reply #37 - Nov 29^th, 2019 at 8:45pm Australia's only hope against China is to fight like 300 Spartans! A Gay Beautiful death.
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Re: Should Australia adopt nuclear weapons?
Reply #38 - Nov 29^th, 2019 at 10:22pm

Frank wrote on Nov 29^th, 2019 at 6:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:19pm:

And every time we've called on the US for help, they've knocked us back, despite us paying our premium in blood (Vietnam, Somalia, Afganistan, Iraq)... Roll Eyes

Give us the examples of those' every times', Bwian. Go on.

1960 - West New Guinea dispute
1965 - Konfrontasi
1965 - South Vietnam
1975 - East Timor
1999 - East Timor

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6488 Gender:	Re: Should Australia adopt nuclear weapons? Reply #39 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 4:31am We need leathal biological weapons to deter China Their large population is a sitting duck for biological weapons While we could immunise a large percentage of our own population Its our only chance
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 20700 ACT Gender:	Re: Should Australia adopt nuclear weapons? Reply #40 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 8:56am Dear Bwian A present for you.
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Re: Should Australia adopt nuclear weapons?
Reply #41 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 9:08am

miketrees wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 4:31am:

We need leathal biological weapons to deter China
Their large population is a sitting duck for biological weapons
While we could immunise a large percentage of our own population

Its our only chance

BINGO!

You are so right Miketrees.
In the age of the Internet,
a 'Virus' would be the best attack.
China sends us Bird Flus, Swine Flus, etc.
Time we sent them some more thsn just Redbacks to Japan.
Something with the potency to wipe them out considerably.

New Zealand should also stop sending them Powdered Milk.
That would really scuttle them. Grin

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Re: Should Australia adopt nuclear weapons?
Reply #42 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 7:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29^th, 2019 at 10:22pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 29^th, 2019 at 6:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:19pm:

And every time we've called on the US for help, they've knocked us back, despite us paying our premium in blood (Vietnam, Somalia, Afganistan, Iraq)... Roll Eyes

Give us the examples of those' every times', Bwian. Go on.

1960 - West New Guinea dispute
1965 - Konfrontasi
1965 - South Vietnam
1975 - East Timor
1999 - East Timor

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You risible, lying idiot!!!

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Re: Should Australia adopt nuclear weapons?
Reply #43 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 9:14pm

Frank wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 7:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29^th, 2019 at 10:22pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 29^th, 2019 at 6:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:19pm:

And every time we've called on the US for help, they've knocked us back, despite us paying our premium in blood (Vietnam, Somalia, Afganistan, Iraq)... Roll Eyes

Give us the examples of those' every times', Bwian. Go on.

1960 - West New Guinea dispute
1965 - Konfrontasi
1965 - South Vietnam
1975 - East Timor
1999 - East Timor

Roll Eyes

You risible, lying idiot!!!

Really? In what way, Soren? Is it 'cause you don't believe that the Australian Government asked for help from the US on those occasions? Roll Eyes

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 46487 Gender:	Re: Should Australia adopt nuclear weapons? Reply #44 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 9:26pm Australia only helped the Timorese in return for the Diamond Mines.
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