Redmond Neck wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 11:48am:


Mmm, where is China threatening to attacking us?

Let us be realistic here and leave all the hysteria behind.  China lacks for the next 10-15 years the ability to project it's power outside the China Sea (either north, south or west).   It does not have the airpower to support a sustained campaign five thousand kilometres from it's homeland.  It lacks the logistics to do so as well.  Most importantly, it doesn't have the ability to attack and take any capital city in Australia (at the moment).

Yes, it's power is growing but it is growing (as a direct threat to Australia) much slower than most people realise if they don't read the MSM tabloids.  China has not demonstrated the ability to undertake long-range cruises with it's navy beyond a few frigates.

Is that growth worth the billions of dollars that we would have to pay in order to build nuclear weapons?   Is it happening so fast that we need that deterrent immediately?

As for nuclear power, we don't need it.  We have more than sufficient renewable energy to last us nearly for ever.  It is cheaper than nuclear power and has no dangers of fall out or catastrophe.  It does not complicate our relationships with our neighbours.   It does not complicate our relationship with our allies or our "enemies".

If you are concerned about China's ICBMs (as Bobby is), then we should be putting money into "Star Wars" like counter-missile forces (not that they actually work all that well).   If you are that concerned about China's conventional forces, we should be putting money into counter ship missiles and weapons.   Neither causes the complications that nuclear weapons cause.

China is a danger, yes.  However, it is not a direct danger to Australia.  It is as a nation, more of a danger indirectly (ie politically).   We need to build up our cyber defences and of course, our political defences.   Not wasting money on nuclear power and/or weapons.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 1:52pm:


No, we a long, long way from that status.  There is still a long road that the Chinese have to go along before they can tell our Prime Minister to "jump!" And have him reply, "How high, Sir?" 

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 6:07pm:


I guess you're the first dickhead here to call someone a Sinophobe.

I know ethnic Chinese who are realistically scared of China's long term intent towards Australia. Are they Sinohobes too?

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 6:07pm:




Germany had massive trade with Russia just before
operation Barbarossa. 22 June 1941.


The reality is that China with a population of 1400 million people
is impossible to defend against with our tiny population of 25 million people.
We are far from Mother England and Uncle Sam in the USA.

China out numbers us 56 to 1.

I have heard similar claims about "remembering history" associated with Nasser, with Saddam, with virtually every dictator the world has seen, Bobby.

I am not saying we should disarm, nor that we don't need to be aware of what the Chinese are doing.  I am questioning if nuclear weapons are the right choice.  It appears that you and Red are simply being Sinophobic in your attitudes.  As I have continually pointed out to you, we are not at war nor is China a declared "enemy".  Trade between Australia and China increased by 18% last year.  Is that how enemies act toward one another?