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Are we now a totalitarian state?
Nov 21st, 2019 at 3:40pm
 
Subject: 'Are we now a totalitarian state?': case
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Reply #1 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 4:53pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 3:40pm:
Subject: 'Are we now a totalitarian state?': case
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/nov/21/are-we-now-a-totalitarian-state-case-of-canberras-mystery-prisoner-alarms-judge

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What on earth did he do that not even the charges could be known by us?
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Reply #2 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 5:06pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 4:53pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 3:40pm:
Subject: 'Are we now a totalitarian state?': case
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/nov/21/are-we-now-a-totalitarian-state-case-of-canberras-mystery-prisoner-alarms-judge

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What on earth did he do that not even the charges could be known by us?



He was a spy, not an ordinary criminal:

"Proceedings against the Canberra man, understood to be a former military intelligence officer"

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Reply #3 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 5:15pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 5:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 4:53pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 3:40pm:
Subject: 'Are we now a totalitarian state?': case
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/nov/21/are-we-now-a-totalitarian-state-case-of-canberras-mystery-prisoner-alarms-judge

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What on earth did he do that not even the charges could be known by us?



He was a spy, not an ordinary criminal:

"Proceedings against the Canberra man, understood to be a former military intelligence officer"



Former. The precedent is set though

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Reply #4 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 5:27pm
 



Quote:

'Are we now a totalitarian state?': case of Canberra's mystery prisoner alarms judge


Former NSW supreme court judge flags concerns as lawyers call for overhaul of secrecy laws


Christopher Knaus
@knausc

Thu 21 Nov 2019 10.44 AEDT


A former New South Wales supreme court judge says the secret prosecution of a mystery Canberra inmate appears to be a “complete abandonment of open justice” as Australia’s peak lawyers’ body renews calls for a full review of secrecy laws.

Anthony Whealy, a judge with lengthy experience in NSW’s highest courts, has warned that the secret prosecution and imprisonment of a man in the Australian Capital Territory poses serious questions about the future of the justice system.


“At first blush, this looks like the complete abandonment of open justice,” Whealy told Guardian Australia.



“Are we now a totalitarian state where people are prosecuted, convicted and shunted off to prison without they or the public having any notion as to what has happened?”.....

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/nov/21/are-we-now-a-totalitarian-state-case...



Well, its good enough for places like       .....North Korea, The [shiny] Peoples Republic of China, and the ISLAMIC Republic of Iran,
so why not Australia too ?




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Reply #5 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 5:33pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 5:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 4:53pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 3:40pm:
Subject: 'Are we now a totalitarian state?': case
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/nov/21/are-we-now-a-totalitarian-state-case-of-canberras-mystery-prisoner-alarms-judge

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What on earth did he do that not even the charges could be known by us?



He was a spy, not an ordinary criminal:


"Proceedings against the Canberra man, understood to be a former military intelligence officer"





In places like North Korea, The [shiny] Peoples Republic of China, and the ISLAMIC Republic of Iran,
everyone many who comes before their national law courts, is accused of being 'in possession of state secrets'.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #6 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 5:57pm
 
It's not like the Libs and Labs to allow a secret trial like that, sarc/off - what's their excuse?
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Reply #7 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 6:01pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 5:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 4:53pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 3:40pm:
Subject: 'Are we now a totalitarian state?': case
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/nov/21/are-we-now-a-totalitarian-state-case-of-canberras-mystery-prisoner-alarms-judge

Spot



What on earth did he do that not even the charges could be known by us?



He was a spy, not an ordinary criminal:

"Proceedings against the Canberra man, understood to be a former military intelligence officer"




So espionage trials are held in secret?
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Reply #8 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 7:38pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 6:01pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 5:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 4:53pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 3:40pm:
Subject: 'Are we now a totalitarian state?': case
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/nov/21/are-we-now-a-totalitarian-state-case-of-canberras-mystery-prisoner-alarms-judge

Spot



What on earth did he do that not even the charges could be known by us?



He was a spy, not an ordinary criminal:

"Proceedings against the Canberra man, understood to be a former military intelligence officer"




So espionage trials are held in secret?






Of course bobby !!!!!

But why so ?

Coz, there may be evidence like this, presented in court.....


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpM8qk3t52A






And it is the opinion of security services in Australia that such material should be kept out of the public domain,
.....in the interests of national security !!!!


Grin           Cheesy


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Reply #9 - Nov 22nd, 2019 at 9:30am
 
Always have been - you just missed it...

" a government that subordinates the individual to the state and strictly controls all aspects of life by coercive measures"


When has that never been the case here?  When have the legal and civil rights of the ordinary person ever been upheld here?  Started to get even worse when Keating held a gun to the head of the states and demanded that they introduce' uniform domestic violence laws' - 'laws' that directly abrogated legal and civil rights and contravened the Rule of Law.... and still do on an escalating scale... 'laws' by which 'government' declared war on men in this nation, and then wondered why there was a reaction .....

The beauty of it was that they could pick them off one at a time.... but that could only last until enough had been viciously violated and raped of their legal rights - then the retaliation began - and will continue until these stupid non-laws are withdrawn and replaced by legal and common sense and genuine equal treatment as required under law.

Then these non-laws were reinforced in the Family court with its stupid and politically directed decisions to favour one over another.  Then there is Affirmative Action....

If ever there was a sign of totalitarianism, including the introduction of illegal laws into jurisprudence - that is and was one.  Cool

Do you think a genuine government of the people would ever have been allowed to get away with this clear violence against law and against civil rights and equal treatment?  Why do you imagine so very many despise government these days, including some who cynically enter it for self-advancement and just play the game for the benefits?  Why is there increasing unrest in the community - once that community began to realise that emasculating the nation meant there was zero opposition to any government in its clear pursuit of reduction of the populace under poverty?  Why are more women being killed and there is no reduction in sight?  Why do idiots who claim to be seeking a solution to this 'crisis' want to simply increase the pressure on men in some absurd hope that doing so will bash those men into submission instead of retaliation?

Now what kind of moron would even consider such a stupid policy assault on 50% of the populace, and think he/she could get away with it?   Cool
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Reply #10 - Nov 24th, 2019 at 9:48am
 
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We are definitely heading down that path

- journalists being raided
- new laws restricting what the media can report on
- whistle blowers being threatened with jail
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Reply #11 - Nov 24th, 2019 at 9:53am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 9:48am:
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Are we now a totalitarian state?



We are definitely heading down that path

- journalists being raided
- new laws restricting what the media can report on
- whistle blowers being threatened with jail



see here:

https://yourrighttoknow.com.au/media-freedom/


You have a right to know what the governments you elect are doing in your name. But in Australia today, the media is prevented from informing you, people who speak out are penalised and journalism that shines a light on matters you deserve to know about is criminalised. This needs to change. 87 per cent of Australians value a free and transparent democracy where the public is kept informed. Sadly, only 37 per cent believe this is happening in Australia today^. Australians have been slowly losing their right to know how their government operates and about issues that affect their families and finances. For the last 20 years, the federal government has been issuing tighter and tighter laws on what information is shared with the public.

Australians have a right to know:

    which aged care facilities have a history of neglect and abuse when considering where their loved ones are cared for
    that Australian land is sold to foreign owners and the terms of those deals are kept secret
    that the government has plans to undertake secret surveillance of Australian citizens
    that the Australian Tax Office can take money from your account without you knowing


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