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Re: Student suspended refused to wear Rainbow Poppy
Reply #75 - Nov 11^th, 2019 at 7:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2019 at 8:56am:

It's fake news, Gnads.

You got sucked in.

Keep an eye out for "Muslims Cancel Christmas" stories Wink

VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) –

Growing furore online over rainbow poppies appears to be a case of fake news.

Posts online are stirring up outrage, suggesting the LGBTQ+ community is pushing an alternative to the traditional poppy. The original, red poppy, worn to commemorate veterans in the lead-up to Remembrance Day, appears to be redone, with each petal a different colour.
But claims the new poppy is widespread are false
.
There are posts indicating an artist once sold them online, and the photo of that poppy, an enamel rainbow pin that has since been taken down, appears to have been used in every post decrying the LGBTQ+ community co-opting Remembrance Day.
But there is no mainstream movement among the LGBTQ+ community to use them, the poppies are not mass produced and are not even available to buy in Canada.

Social media expert Susie Parker says people need to be more critical about what they read and share online.

https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2019/11/08/upset-about-the-rainbow-poppy-youve-been...

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Re: Student suspended refused to wear Rainbow Poppy
Reply #76 - Nov 11^th, 2019 at 7:43pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 7:29pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 6:04pm:

My 2 cents

Put them all back in the closet where they belong.

I don't care what they do there as long as they don't force their way of life on the rest of us, that's the 97%.

BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM, eh?

If THESE PEOPLE have a problem with that, they should talk to one of THOSE PEOPLE.

That's moi, dear, a devious Pakistani Bastard.

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Re: Student suspended refused to wear Rainbow Poppy
Reply #77 - Nov 11^th, 2019 at 7:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2019 at 8:56am:

It's fake news, Gnads.

You got sucked in.

Keep an eye out for "Muslims Cancel Christmas" stories Wink

VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) –

Growing furore online over rainbow poppies appears to be a case of fake news.

Posts online are stirring up outrage, suggesting the LGBTQ+ community is pushing an alternative to the traditional poppy. The original, red poppy, worn to commemorate veterans in the lead-up to Remembrance Day, appears to be redone, with each petal a different colour.
But claims the new poppy is widespread are false
.
There are posts indicating an artist once sold them online, and the photo of that poppy, an enamel rainbow pin that has since been taken down, appears to have been used in every post decrying the LGBTQ+ community co-opting Remembrance Day.
But there is no mainstream movement among the LGBTQ+ community to use them, the poppies are not mass produced and are not even available to buy in Canada.

Social media expert Susie Parker says people need to be more critical about what they read and share online.

https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2019/11/08/upset-about-the-rainbow-poppy-youve-been...

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Re: Student suspended refused to wear Rainbow Poppy
Reply #78 - Nov 11^th, 2019 at 7:48pm

cods wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 5:52pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 5:00pm:

cods wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 4:44pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 4:32pm:

cods wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 2:11pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 1:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 1:08pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 9:30am:

The fact is that the way this girl went about things got her suspended. Not her opinion, not her point, nor as your thread title says for refusing to wear the poppy. It was the way in which she conducted herself.

Exactly.

It's sad, yet not surprising, that this needs to be explained to some people here.

You and mothra ( actually that's just one person) might explain " calmly presenting your POV " to greta Grin

they have aqua

its called..

SANCTIMONY...

they are so much better than the rest of us...

they luv everybody! that is unless you happen to be white and non muslim

thats when you become one of

THEM

.

sinister music..

So unfair, dear. I'm white and non-Muslim, so they call me a Pakistani Bastard, a Dirty Little Invert.

Not that there's anything wrong with it.

ok so instead of a THEM you are one of THEY/THOSE....oooops whatever.. I am just quoting quotes you understand..

have you been called bitchy of late?..or a lesser intellectual claiming you dont understand a word I write..

because of a different point of view... Roll Eyes

I am sure you havent you are far too smart and one of the few acceptables on here..

a prince among thieves... Wink

.. more of a poseur among grievances ....

he thinks he fools everyone.. Roll Eyes

he probably has to go and have a good wash after dealing with the likes of us grap.....you know the THEM...the new group at ozpol....you can betcha we are on the growing list... Grin

Karnal is good for a laugh - he's subtle... but a good laugh...

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Re: Student suspended refused to wear Rainbow Poppy
Reply #79 - Nov 11^th, 2019 at 7:50pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 7:43pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 7:29pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 6:04pm:

My 2 cents

Put them all back in the closet where they belong.

I don't care what they do there as long as they don't force their way of life on the rest of us, that's the 97%.

BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM, eh?

If THESE PEOPLE have a problem with that, they should talk to one of THOSE PEOPLE.

That's moi, dear, a devious Pakistani Bastard.

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a bastard is a maam ???

Would you like us to call you sir?

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Re: Student suspended refused to wear Rainbow Poppy
Reply #80 - Nov 11^th, 2019 at 7:53pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 7:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2019 at 8:56am:

It's fake news, Gnads.

You got sucked in.

Keep an eye out for "Muslims Cancel Christmas" stories Wink

VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) –

Growing furore online over rainbow poppies appears to be a case of fake news.

Posts online are stirring up outrage, suggesting the LGBTQ+ community is pushing an alternative to the traditional poppy. The original, red poppy, worn to commemorate veterans in the lead-up to Remembrance Day, appears to be redone, with each petal a different colour.
But claims the new poppy is widespread are false
.
There are posts indicating an artist once sold them online, and the photo of that poppy, an enamel rainbow pin that has since been taken down, appears to have been used in every post decrying the LGBTQ+ community co-opting Remembrance Day.
But there is no mainstream movement among the LGBTQ+ community to use them, the poppies are not mass produced and are not even available to buy in Canada.

Social media expert Susie Parker says people need to be more critical about what they read and share online.

https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2019/11/08/upset-about-the-rainbow-poppy-youve-been...

Hang ten a week then, on suspicion of posting fake news...

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Re: Student suspended refused to wear Rainbow Poppy
Reply #81 - Nov 12^th, 2019 at 8:25am

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 7:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2019 at 8:56am:

It's fake news, Gnads.

You got sucked in.

Keep an eye out for "Muslims Cancel Christmas" stories Wink

VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) –

Growing furore online over rainbow poppies appears to be a case of fake news.

Posts online are stirring up outrage, suggesting the LGBTQ+ community is pushing an alternative to the traditional poppy. The original, red poppy, worn to commemorate veterans in the lead-up to Remembrance Day, appears to be redone, with each petal a different colour.
But claims the new poppy is widespread are false
.
There are posts indicating an artist once sold them online, and the photo of that poppy, an enamel rainbow pin that has since been taken down, appears to have been used in every post decrying the LGBTQ+ community co-opting Remembrance Day.
But there is no mainstream movement among the LGBTQ+ community to use them, the poppies are not mass produced and are not even available to buy in Canada.

Social media expert Susie Parker says people need to be more critical about what they read and share online.

https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2019/11/08/upset-about-the-rainbow-poppy-youve-been...

So you said once before.

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Re: Student suspended refused to wear Rainbow Poppy
Reply #82 - Nov 12^th, 2019 at 8:28am

Gnads wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 12:36pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 9:30am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 9:11am:

mothra wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 6:18am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 10^th, 2019 at 2:08pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 10^th, 2019 at 9:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2019 at 8:56am:

It's fake news, Gnads.

It's a fake headline.
The student didn't get suspended for refusing to wear a Rainbow poppy.
Th student got suspended for this poster

The poster allegedly distributed by Natalie read:

Quote:

Never seen something so disrespectful in all my days. What does LGBTQ have to do with the war? Red represents Blood, Black represents widows and loved ones, green represents land the blood was spilled on. NEVER change the poppy. Way to un-do centuries of blood sweat and tears all because you needed to do the dishes. Keep it in your pants nobody wants or needs to see it.

You’ve got a whole month dedicated to the LGBTQ community, but the people who legitimately made a difference and died so that we could live decent lives get one day. You don’t need a poppy, you just clearly want attention. One day to celebrate the real hero’s how about we don’t make it about your sexuality for once?

If you didn’t make such a big deal about it and force people to make it a part of their lives it would be no problem.

So she ACTUALLY got suspended for distributing a fairly intollerant and offensive poster
But the conservative media know how easy it is to trigger you right wing loonies
And you fall for it every time Grin

She was right ... and no doubt worded it that way in frustion to this never ending identity politics bullshyte of the looney left.

The truth hurts ... no doubt all those who made the decision also had the colleges safe spaces crammed to capacity with the terminally butt hurt.

I find it offensive that another LGBTIQ Group should want to drape their rainbow over the Remembrance Day Poppy.

Inappropriate.

Despite both your and the student's unnecessary derision (which if you just bloody well laid off of, everyone would calm the bugger down .. and you speak of others being butt hurt, shesh)) and your lie in the thread title i agree with you in essence.

The poppy should not be touched. Appropriating it for other causes is highly disrespectful.

Totally neccessary ... how else do those who continue to come up with this disrespectful stupidity get the message?

And why does anyone need to lay off & calm down?

This sort of tripe is beyond the pale.

Because you don;t need to insult and belittle people to get your point across. IParticularly a vulnerable demographic.

Look, i've already said i think rainbow poppies are in very poor taste but we need to calmly, without vilifying anyone, get our points of view across.

The fact is that the way this girl went about things got her suspended. Not her opinion, not her point, nor as your thread title says for refusing to wear the poppy. It was the way in which she conducted herself.

Oh yes be calm & collected ... and be quiet. Roll Eyes

Enough....... How dare you!

You're suggesting the right to vilify carry the same weight as the right to a habitable planet?

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Re: Student suspended refused to wear Rainbow Poppy
Reply #83 - Nov 12^th, 2019 at 8:32am

mothra wrote on Nov 12^th, 2019 at 8:28am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 12:36pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 9:30am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 9:11am:

mothra wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 6:18am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 10^th, 2019 at 2:08pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 10^th, 2019 at 9:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2019 at 8:56am:

It's fake news, Gnads.

It's a fake headline.
The student didn't get suspended for refusing to wear a Rainbow poppy.
Th student got suspended for this poster

The poster allegedly distributed by Natalie read:

Quote:

Never seen something so disrespectful in all my days. What does LGBTQ have to do with the war? Red represents Blood, Black represents widows and loved ones, green represents land the blood was spilled on. NEVER change the poppy. Way to un-do centuries of blood sweat and tears all because you needed to do the dishes. Keep it in your pants nobody wants or needs to see it.

You’ve got a whole month dedicated to the LGBTQ community, but the people who legitimately made a difference and died so that we could live decent lives get one day. You don’t need a poppy, you just clearly want attention. One day to celebrate the real hero’s how about we don’t make it about your sexuality for once?

If you didn’t make such a big deal about it and force people to make it a part of their lives it would be no problem.

So she ACTUALLY got suspended for distributing a fairly intollerant and offensive poster
But the conservative media know how easy it is to trigger you right wing loonies
And you fall for it every time Grin

She was right ... and no doubt worded it that way in frustion to this never ending identity politics bullshyte of the looney left.

The truth hurts ... no doubt all those who made the decision also had the colleges safe spaces crammed to capacity with the terminally butt hurt.

I find it offensive that another LGBTIQ Group should want to drape their rainbow over the Remembrance Day Poppy.

Inappropriate.

Despite both your and the student's unnecessary derision (which if you just bloody well laid off of, everyone would calm the bugger down .. and you speak of others being butt hurt, shesh)) and your lie in the thread title i agree with you in essence.

The poppy should not be touched. Appropriating it for other causes is highly disrespectful.

Totally neccessary ... how else do those who continue to come up with this disrespectful stupidity get the message?

And why does anyone need to lay off & calm down?

This sort of tripe is beyond the pale.

Because you don;t need to insult and belittle people to get your point across. IParticularly a vulnerable demographic.

Look, i've already said i think rainbow poppies are in very poor taste but we need to calmly, without vilifying anyone, get our points of view across.

The fact is that the way this girl went about things got her suspended. Not her opinion, not her point, nor as your thread title says for refusing to wear the poppy. It was the way in which she conducted herself.

Oh yes be calm & collected ... and be quiet. Roll Eyes

Enough....... How dare you!

You're suggesting the right to vilify carry the same weight as the right to a habitable planet?

Been catching up? Grin

What's uninhabitable about it now?

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Re: Student suspended refused to wear Rainbow Poppy
Reply #84 - Nov 12^th, 2019 at 8:35am

Gnads wrote on Nov 12^th, 2019 at 8:32am:

mothra wrote on Nov 12^th, 2019 at 8:28am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 12:36pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 9:30am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 9:11am:

mothra wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 6:18am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 10^th, 2019 at 2:08pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 10^th, 2019 at 9:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2019 at 8:56am:

It's fake news, Gnads.

It's a fake headline.
The student didn't get suspended for refusing to wear a Rainbow poppy.
Th student got suspended for this poster

The poster allegedly distributed by Natalie read:

Quote:

Never seen something so disrespectful in all my days. What does LGBTQ have to do with the war? Red represents Blood, Black represents widows and loved ones, green represents land the blood was spilled on. NEVER change the poppy. Way to un-do centuries of blood sweat and tears all because you needed to do the dishes. Keep it in your pants nobody wants or needs to see it.

You’ve got a whole month dedicated to the LGBTQ community, but the people who legitimately made a difference and died so that we could live decent lives get one day. You don’t need a poppy, you just clearly want attention. One day to celebrate the real hero’s how about we don’t make it about your sexuality for once?

If you didn’t make such a big deal about it and force people to make it a part of their lives it would be no problem.

So she ACTUALLY got suspended for distributing a fairly intollerant and offensive poster
But the conservative media know how easy it is to trigger you right wing loonies
And you fall for it every time Grin

She was right ... and no doubt worded it that way in frustion to this never ending identity politics bullshyte of the looney left.

The truth hurts ... no doubt all those who made the decision also had the colleges safe spaces crammed to capacity with the terminally butt hurt.

I find it offensive that another LGBTIQ Group should want to drape their rainbow over the Remembrance Day Poppy.

Inappropriate.

Despite both your and the student's unnecessary derision (which if you just bloody well laid off of, everyone would calm the bugger down .. and you speak of others being butt hurt, shesh)) and your lie in the thread title i agree with you in essence.

The poppy should not be touched. Appropriating it for other causes is highly disrespectful.

Totally neccessary ... how else do those who continue to come up with this disrespectful stupidity get the message?

And why does anyone need to lay off & calm down?

This sort of tripe is beyond the pale.

Because you don;t need to insult and belittle people to get your point across. IParticularly a vulnerable demographic.

Look, i've already said i think rainbow poppies are in very poor taste but we need to calmly, without vilifying anyone, get our points of view across.

The fact is that the way this girl went about things got her suspended. Not her opinion, not her point, nor as your thread title says for refusing to wear the poppy. It was the way in which she conducted herself.

Oh yes be calm & collected ... and be quiet. Roll Eyes

Enough....... How dare you!

You're suggesting the right to vilify carry the same weight as the right to a habitable planet?

Been catching up? Grin

What's uninhabitable about it now?

Just logged on for the first time in a couple of daysd, Gnads. Is that okay with you? I don;t think it is.

Now, to the question ... do you think the right to vilify should be as vigorously defended as the right to a habitable planet?

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34535 Gender:	Re: Student suspended refused to wear Rainbow Poppy Reply #85 - Nov 12^th, 2019 at 8:45am And why did you lie in your thread title, Gonads? You don't seem to want to say. Was it dog whistling? Or just that you hadn't read or understood the article you posted?
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capitosinora Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2172 USA Florida Gender:	Re: Student suspended refused to wear Rainbow Poppy Reply #86 - Nov 12^th, 2019 at 9:19am British colony Australia has long tradition of sodomy first out of necessity and then it became cultural habit. As a matter of facts when British criminals were deported in a big gulag called Australia, like in any other prison, they started facking each other in absence of women.
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Re: Student suspended refused to wear Rainbow Poppy
Reply #87 - Nov 12^th, 2019 at 9:37am

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 7:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2019 at 8:56am:

It's fake news, Gnads.

You got sucked in.

Keep an eye out for "Muslims Cancel Christmas" stories Wink

VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) –

Growing furore online over rainbow poppies appears to be a case of fake news.

Posts online are stirring up outrage, suggesting the LGBTQ+ community is pushing an alternative to the traditional poppy. The original, red poppy, worn to commemorate veterans in the lead-up to Remembrance Day, appears to be redone, with each petal a different colour.
But claims the new poppy is widespread are false
.
There are posts indicating an artist once sold them online, and the photo of that poppy, an enamel rainbow pin that has since been taken down, appears to have been used in every post decrying the LGBTQ+ community co-opting Remembrance Day.
But there is no mainstream movement among the LGBTQ+ community to use them, the poppies are not mass produced and are not even available to buy in Canada.

Social media expert Susie Parker says people need to be more critical about what they read and share online.

https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2019/11/08/upset-about-the-rainbow-poppy-youve-been...

I could tell it was fake news as soon as I read the (misleading) thread title.

I don't know how people fall for this stuff.

Next, will be the stories about Muslims cancelling Christmas, and removing nativity scenes and Christmas trees from schools & shopping centres etc.

People are so gullible.

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Re: Student suspended refused to wear Rainbow Poppy
Reply #89 - Nov 12^th, 2019 at 10:02am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2019 at 9:37am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 11^th, 2019 at 7:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2019 at 8:56am:

It's fake news, Gnads.

You got sucked in.

Keep an eye out for "Muslims Cancel Christmas" stories Wink

VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) –

Growing furore online over rainbow poppies appears to be a case of fake news.

Posts online are stirring up outrage, suggesting the LGBTQ+ community is pushing an alternative to the traditional poppy. The original, red poppy, worn to commemorate veterans in the lead-up to Remembrance Day, appears to be redone, with each petal a different colour.
But claims the new poppy is widespread are false
.
There are posts indicating an artist once sold them online, and the photo of that poppy, an enamel rainbow pin that has since been taken down, appears to have been used in every post decrying the LGBTQ+ community co-opting Remembrance Day.
But there is no mainstream movement among the LGBTQ+ community to use them, the poppies are not mass produced and are not even available to buy in Canada.

Social media expert Susie Parker says people need to be more critical about what they read and share online.

https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2019/11/08/upset-about-the-rainbow-poppy-youve-been...

I could tell it was fake news as soon as I read the (misleading) thread title.

I don't know how people fall for this stuff.

Next, will be the stories about Muslims cancelling Christmas, and removing nativity scenes and Christmas trees from schools & shopping centres etc.

People are so gullible.

When are the Mussos going to start that again? Or at the very least, sycophantic stores paying their dimi will not have Christmas stuff in store?

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