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What next for Ayers Rock residents?
Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:04pm
 
This article was in 2010, 25 years after hand back.
Watch the visitor numbers plummet. They just signed their own extinction papers.

They should have made the climb exclusive, charged a few hundred dollars a pop with a mandatory indigenous guide.


The hard place in the shadow of the rock


There were huge celebrations when Ayers Rock was handed over to its traditional owners 25 years ago. But despite owning Uluru, Aborigines nearby live in misery

Twenty-five years ago yesterday, thousands of people descended on a patch of red dirt in the Australian desert to witness a momentous event: the handing over of the title deeds to Ayers Rock, the sandstone monolith that towers over the pancake-flat landscape of central Australia, to its traditional owners.

It was a high point in the Aboriginal struggle for land rights, and a time of enormous optimism. A new era of self-determination and economic independence appeared to be dawning for the Anangu people, who had lived in the area for 22,000 years.

But as locals gathered at the rock, now called Uluru, for the anniversary celebrations, the mood was subdued. While "handback" has brought some benefits, including a small share of the income generated by one of Australia's most popular tourist attractions, the Anangu still live in poverty and squalor – many of them in a township situated at the base of Uluru but invisible to well-heeled visitors.

Home to a shifting population of several hundred, Mutitjulu has a reputation as one of Australia's most dysfunctional remote communities. Claims of rampant child abuse at Mutitjulu – never proven – triggered the government's "intervention" into the Northern Territory in 2007, designed to stamp out violence and raise health and living standards in the indigenous desert settlements.

The intervention, launched at Mutitjulu by John Howard's conservative government, has continued, in a watered-down form, under Labor's Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard. But the place is no better off, according to Vincent Forrester, a local elder, who says the only new infrastructure is a police station and two police houses.

Mr Forrester calls Mutitjulu "the forgotten community... out of sight and out of mind". As elders performed traditional dances yesterday in the shadow of Uluru and boys showed off their spear-throwing skills, he recited a litany of despair: people living 30 to a house, girls sniffing petrol in a quest for oblivion, children leaving school without numeracy and literacy skills, men hanging themselves.

"I live in a Third World community that has yet to really benefit from being so close to a national icon," said Mr Forrester, chairman of the Mutitjulu Community Aboriginal Corporation.

Mutitjulu evolved from the old motels and camping ground that achieved notoriety as a result of the Lindy Chamberlain case. (Mrs Chamberlain's daughter, Azaria, was snatched from the family's tent by a dingo in 1980; she was convicted, and later cleared, of the baby's murder.) Much has changed since then, and tourists now stay 12 miles away, at the Ayers Rock Resort.

What has not changed – despite signs entreating visitors not to climb the rock – is the spectacle of tourists swarming over a place that, for Aboriginal owners, is imbued with deep cultural and spiritual significance. "We've not been able to get them to understand and respect our wishes," says Reggie Uluru, whose family adopted the name by which the area was traditionally known.

The handback of land – which included the neighbouring Olgas, another massive ochre outcrop, now called Kata Tjuta – was bitterly opposed by many Australians. Callers swamped talkback radio, and the Northern Territory government waged a A$200,000 (then £98,000) campaign against it. At the ceremony in 1985, a low-flying plane trailed a banner stating "Ayers Rock for all Australians".


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/the-hard-place-in-the-shado...
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Reply #1 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:05pm
 
While "handback" has brought some benefits, including a small share of the income generated by one of Australia's most popular tourist attractions, the Anangu still live in poverty and squalor – many of them in a township situated at the base of Uluru but invisible to well-heeled visitors.

Home to a shifting population of several hundred, Mutitjulu has a reputation as one of Australia's most dysfunctional remote communities. Claims of rampant child abuse at Mutitjulu – never proven – triggered the government's "intervention" into the Northern Territory in 2007, designed to stamp out violence and raise health and living standards in the indigenous desert settlements.
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Reply #2 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:34pm
 
Who says they 'need' Tourists?
Who says they 'need' Government Payments?
Who says they 'need' to live in Cities?

...they had a 'need' to exist without all these,
but even that was taken from them - so they were made to be reliant and dependent on all the other crap things in the world.

"Take their land from them and they'll be forced to line up in McDonalds like the rest of the losers." Whitey.
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Reply #3 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:47pm
 
Just remember. Abo girls are a good root. They have already been paid for by the Government. Cool

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Reply #4 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 9:01pm
 
Coupla goannas on the plate... no cars, no clothes, no  nothing from Whartey... including no protection under law... that's what 'doing things your way' means... outlaws...
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Reply #5 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 9:04pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:34pm:
Who says they 'need' Tourists?
Who says they 'need' Government Payments?
Who says they 'need' to live in Cities?


...they had a 'need' to exist without all these,
but even that was taken from them - so they were made to be reliant and dependent on all the other crap things in the world.

"Take their land from them and they'll be forced to line up in McDonalds like the rest of the losers." Whitey.


How are they going to live then?  Take the dole and walk to the shops?

They can always take that option.... just tell Centrelink they don't want the money etc.... just sign out and walk away from their game, man ... that's the spirit...

I was wondering if Ayers Rock 'tribal' grounds would end up with VB can piles - midden heaps .. you know...
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Reply #6 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 9:07pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 9:04pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:34pm:
Who says they 'need' Tourists?
Who says they 'need' Government Payments?
Who says they 'need' to live in Cities?


...they had a 'need' to exist without all these,
but even that was taken from them - so they were made to be reliant and dependent on all the other crap things in the world.

"Take their land from them and they'll be forced to line up in McDonalds like the rest of the losers." Whitey.


How are they going to live then?  Take the dole and walk to the shops?

They can always take that option.... just tell Centrelink they don't want the money etc.... just sign out and walk away from their game, man ... that's the spirit...

I was wondering if Ayers Rock 'tribal' grounds would end up with VB can piles - midden heaps .. you know...


They were 'living' for 100,000 year+ here.
When Neanderthals still occupied Europe and Middle-East.
Denisovians in Asia, Ophirians in Africa.

Just because Europeans were living a miserable life, they had to go and ruin everyone else's.

Basically - your White Cultural Superiority is nothing but a Snake in the Garden of Eden. Nothing more. Roll Eyes
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Reply #7 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 9:14pm
 
Well come on Grapps, Valkie.
What have you whiteys got to show for it?
Haven't really been to the moon like the Yanks have and showed the world how to fly.

What has Australia done, besides suckle on the nipple of Britain and work for the USA?


Have you discovered the secrets of the Deep yet?
Have you cured Australia of its droughts - I mean, the World is looking here for 'Water Technology' leadership.
Have you become the 'Art' capital of the world?

No to all the above.

Ayers Rock
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Reply #8 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 9:36pm
 
If they have any brains they will build a big casino on top of the rock.
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I have never been there.

The closest i got was Tennant Creek.

Would have loved to have got to Ayers Rock.

Would have loved to have climbed, Ayers Rock.



Perhaps in 5 or 10 years time, the     racists     who have barred me [and anyone else] from climbing Ayers Rock will see the error of their way ?



Ayers Rock doesn't belong [exclusively] to Aboriginal people, imo.

Ayers Rock belongs to ALL Australians, imo.



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Reply #10 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:10pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 9:07pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 9:04pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:34pm:
Who says they 'need' Tourists?
Who says they 'need' Government Payments?
Who says they 'need' to live in Cities?


...they had a 'need' to exist without all these,
but even that was taken from them - so they were made to be reliant and dependent on all the other crap things in the world.

"Take their land from them and they'll be forced to line up in McDonalds like the rest of the losers." Whitey.


How are they going to live then?  Take the dole and walk to the shops?

They can always take that option.... just tell Centrelink they don't want the money etc.... just sign out and walk away from their game, man ... that's the spirit...

I was wondering if Ayers Rock 'tribal' grounds would end up with VB can piles - midden heaps .. you know...


They were 'living' for 100,000 year+ here.
When Neanderthals still occupied Europe and Middle-East.
Denisovians in Asia, Ophirians in Africa.

Just because Europeans were living a miserable life, they had to go and ruin everyone else's.

Basically - your White Cultural Superiority is nothing but a Snake in the Garden of Eden. Nothing more. Roll Eyes


I suppose you could call that 'living' - they are always welcome to go back to it.... but somehow they seem to like having cars and easy food and a beer and a house ... nd they show no desire to go back to 'their way' in reality...

You're totally lost in the realities of the situation...

Uluru   Ayers Rock .... belong 'im all Australian ... nobody climb 'im, ancient law ... ya godda smoek?
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Reply #11 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:40am
 
Back to the subject...

Less money to try to make anything out of.. and no ability to follow the 'traditional' ways, either...

I will repeat - I'm happy to see Ayers Rock closed to climbing due to damage etc of a national icon ... as long as closed means closed to all... not just some special right .... 'im secred site is secred site, bro - carn' deface 'im... ancien' law dere ...

I'm 'eppy dat bloke on 'ere carryin' on like 'e a Koori bring dat fullah up, bro - 'bout dat ancien' law like auntie said... nobody climb 'im Rock.. NOBODY!
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Reply #12 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:41am
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:04pm:
Watch the visitor numbers plummet. They just signed their own extinction papers.



Less than 15% of visitors climbed the rock anyway.
The effect on visitor numbers will be negligible
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Reply #13 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:02am
 
Yadda wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:17pm:


I have never been there.

The closest i got was Tennant Creek.

Would have loved to have got to Ayers Rock.

Would have loved to have climbed, Ayers Rock.



Perhaps in 5 or 10 years time, the     racists     who have barred me [and anyone else] from climbing Ayers Rock will see the error of their way ?



Ayers Rock doesn't belong [exclusively] to Aboriginal people, imo.

Ayers Rock belongs to ALL Australians, imo.





the rock ULURU existed before some explorer came along ,

its called ULURU and is mentioned in ancient texts ,

research the emerald tablets of thoth ..

if you wish to be enlightened of the subject , you will find it there

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Reply #14 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:07am
 
You say the Aboriginals can go back to it.
Go back to living the way they used to - no more fries, cars, tvs, etc.
No they can't because you stole and destroyed all that they had to do so. Hell, you won't even let them have total control of Uluru because it compromises your weekend to have a walk upon it and take a few selfies for your bored 'civilised' lifestyle of working for a machine.

It's like telling a girl she can go back to being a virgin after she has been raped.
Which is what has happened really.

I hope we don't find a gentle race of Aliens on a wonderful world out there - because I know what we would do to them, if we found we could exploit, kill and ravage them too.
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