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Oct 25th, 2019 at 6:42pm
 
So just because some stone age people have some stone age oogie boogie beliefs about a rock, it can't be climbed.

What a load of crap.
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Reply #1 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 6:54pm
 
Absolutely!
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Reply #2 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 7:07pm
 
Its a damn rock

They complain about people walking all over it.... Big shite

I hope no abbo thinks he will be welcome to come inside any churches again.

And shopping centers are our cultural heritage, so they are out as well.

As for Pubs, no abbo go zone, they can build their own brewery if they want one.

But seriously, How far are we going to let this shite go on?

They have effectivly lock whites out of hiundreds of thousands of acres of land, stopped us from exploring our own country and demanded more and more for whaT?

What have they given in return?

They forfeited this country and their rights when they were too primitive to fight off one boat load of invaders

How useless were (are) they?

We own this land by right of might, they are simply parasites clinging to the purse strings of their betters.

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Reply #3 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 7:11pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
Its a damn rock

They complain about people walking all over it.... Big shite

I hope no abbo thinks he will be welcome to come inside any churches again.

And shopping centers are our cultural heritage, so they are out as well.

As for Pubs, no abbo go zone, they can build their own brewery if they want one.

But seriously, How far are we going to let this shite go on?

They have effectivly lock whites out of hiundreds of thousands of acres of land, stopped us from exploring our own country and demanded more and more for whaT?

What have they given in return?

They forfeited this country and their rights when they were too primitive to fight off one boat load of invaders

How useless were (are) they?

We own this land by right of might, they are simply parasites clinging to the purse strings of their betters.




Abbos are racists too as only Abbos can climb it now:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1571990528
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Reply #4 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 7:51pm
 
Even Pauline Hanson changed her mind once she was confronted by reality....She had a very positive attitude to the situation and was open to find find a solution....All credit to Pauline!!!

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Pauline Hanson has had a last-minute change of heart about climbing Uluru, saying she now understands why the practice will end in October.

Senator Hanson arrived in Uluru on Wednesday, intending to climb the rock, although strong winds in the area delayed her start.

On Thursday – after apparently making the climb – she told the ABC she now understood why climbing would be banned from October 26.

“It’s quite scary, I was surprised, I’d never been out there before,” she said.

“I respect the decision that there is not enough safety with regards to the rock. I respect the decision that their people, their kids, are not getting jobs. They’re bringing in Aboriginals from outside to fill the positions that should belong to their own people.”

The Senator told the ABC she would like to see the Uluru climb remain open, and would work with traditional owners to look at how safety could be improved.


https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/nt/2019/08/22/pauline-hanson-uluru-climb/

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The climb is physically demanding and can be dangerous. At least 35 people have died while attempting to climb Uluru and many others have been injured. At 348 metres, Uluru is higher than the Eiffel Tower, as high as a 95-storey building.


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Reply #5 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:06pm
 
Can I climb Stonehenge?
Maybe tow a stone away for my personal use on my newly gained farm nearby?

Uluru is like an Arkenstone.
The Heart of this Land and 'we' all just left a scar upon it.
Can I climb all over Anzac shrines and monuments?
Can I walk all over Parliment House, climb over the old one?
What would happen if I bulldozed Anita Cobby's Memorial park?
How about I drop landfill into that Bondi hole by the sea?

All things sacred.
Why can't you respect theirs?
What did they do to you?
Did they hold out on you (this country) while they waited for you to crawl out of your European hole where no sunlight shines to tan up your skin?

Uluru is more than just a rock.
It belongs to a Global Mythology.
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Reply #6 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:12pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
Can I climb Stonehenge?
Maybe tow a stone away for my personal use on my newly gained farm nearby?

Uluru is like an Arkenstone.
The Heart of this Land and 'we' all just left a scar upon it.
Can I climb all over Anzac shrines and monuments?
Can I walk all over Parliment House, climb over the old one?
What would happen if I bulldozed Anita Cobby's Memorial park?
How about I drop landfill into that Bondi hole by the sea?

All things sacred.
Why can't you respect theirs?
What did they do to you?
Did they hold out on you (this country) while they waited for you to crawl out of your European hole where no sunlight shines to tan up your skin?

Uluru is more than just a rock.
It belongs to a Global Mythology.



How come only Abbos can climb it?

That's racist.
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Reply #7 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:12pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
Can I climb Stonehenge?
Maybe tow a stone away for my personal use on my newly gained farm nearby?

Uluru is like an Arkenstone.
The Heart of this Land and 'we' all just left a scar upon it.
Can I climb all over Anzac shrines and monuments?
Can I walk all over Parliment House, climb over the old one?
What would happen if I bulldozed Anita Cobby's Memorial park?
How about I drop landfill into that Bondi hole by the sea?

All things sacred.
Why can't you respect theirs?
What did they do to you?
Did they hold out on you (this country) while they waited for you to crawl out of your European hole where no sunlight shines to tan up your skin?

Uluru is more than just a rock.
It belongs to a Global Mythology.


All of those things you mentioned are man made for a reason.
Abbos didn't make Ayers Rock. They didn't make anything.



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Reply #8 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:20pm
 
They made it into a greater Farm, Garden, Pasture than what Whitey made it into.
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Reply #9 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:28pm
 
You came and spread your sickness as you lead 'death' by a chain and shackle from your ships. Then your Settlers from the land of the Free and Gun came and started shooting upon a whim and 'stealing' lands.

We all know what would happen if we discovered that 'Garden' world that E.T. came from. We would just shoot, kill and take with some Priest bringing up the rear with a Religion that just says 'Sorry' all the time.
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Reply #10 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm
 
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool
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Reply #11 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:40pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Sydney Cathedral is man made
SHB is man made
MCG is man made

Who made Ayres Rock?
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Reply #12 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:41pm
 
Oh - then their was the outcry when Notre Dame fell burned to the ground like Christianity will be in Europe.
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Reply #13 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:43pm
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Sydney Cathedral is man made
SHB is man made
MCG is man made

Who made Ayres Rock?


Who made the Moon, or the Planets - that which is 'sacred' to Astronomers and Astronauts?
Who made Niagra Falls that brings thousands of people to it just to 'stare' at it?
Who made the Cave Paintings around the World that gives us a sense of memory as a Species?
Deep down - we are all the same.

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Reply #14 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:46pm
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Sydney Cathedral is man made
SHB is man made
MCG is man made

Who made Ayres Rock?



it was called Uluru before Ayre came along,

and its still called Uluru ..

something has just happened , in LAW

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Reply #15 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:47pm
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:12pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
Can I climb Stonehenge?
Maybe tow a stone away for my personal use on my newly gained farm nearby?

Uluru is like an Arkenstone.
The Heart of this Land and 'we' all just left a scar upon it.
Can I climb all over Anzac shrines and monuments?
Can I walk all over Parliment House, climb over the old one?
What would happen if I bulldozed Anita Cobby's Memorial park?
How about I drop landfill into that Bondi hole by the sea?

All things sacred.
Why can't you respect theirs?
What did they do to you?
Did they hold out on you (this country) while they waited for you to crawl out of your European hole where no sunlight shines to tan up your skin?

Uluru is more than just a rock.
It belongs to a Global Mythology.


All of those things you mentioned are man made for a reason.
Abbos didn't make Ayers Rock. They didn't make anything.





A new LAW has passed ..

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Reply #16 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:48pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:12pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
Can I climb Stonehenge?
Maybe tow a stone away for my personal use on my newly gained farm nearby?

Uluru is like an Arkenstone.
The Heart of this Land and 'we' all just left a scar upon it.
Can I climb all over Anzac shrines and monuments?
Can I walk all over Parliment House, climb over the old one?
What would happen if I bulldozed Anita Cobby's Memorial park?
How about I drop landfill into that Bondi hole by the sea?

All things sacred.
Why can't you respect theirs?
What did they do to you?
Did they hold out on you (this country) while they waited for you to crawl out of your European hole where no sunlight shines to tan up your skin?

Uluru is more than just a rock.
It belongs to a Global Mythology.



How come only Abbos can climb it?

That's racist.


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Reply #17 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:25pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?
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Reply #18 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:44pm
 
No they didnt make it but then the best things in life are made by nature
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Reply #19 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?




I noticed he didnt list the roof of his house either..


and yes I do believe I read somewhere where you can climb the Syd Harbour Bridge....if you pay... Wink Wink
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Reply #20 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:57pm
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Sydney Cathedral is man made
SHB is man made
MCG is man made

Who made Ayres Rock?


Immaterial.  They are places where climbing, unsupervised, is prohibited, Gordon.  When strangers are allowed to wander off the street and climb those places, get back to us.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #21 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:58pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?


You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  Roll Eyes

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cods wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:53pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?


I noticed he didnt list the roof of his house either..


My house is not public land, Cods.  Roll Eyes

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and yes I do believe I read somewhere where you can climb the Syd Harbour Bridge....if you pay... Wink Wink


Under supervision, Cods, under supervision.  Strangers are not allowed to climb Sydney Harbour Bridge or any other place I mentioned.  Funny that, 'cause that is what some fools are demanding they being allowed to do on Uluru.

I am unsure why people who will more than likely never, ever climb Uluru are so upset by the idea that the Traditional Owners have decided to stop people climbing it.  Pauline Hanson changer her mind after climbing part way and decided that climbing it was dangerous.  Why aren't they willing to accept her word?  Mmmm?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Reply #23 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 10:43pm
 
Ayers rock is not the biggest rock in Australia, it is not unique. Now you can look at it through a chain link fence, ridiculous. I think this is only going to deter tourism, they have made a big mistake. I reckon "the traditional custodians" are being pushed into doing this by white politically correct advisors .
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Agnes wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:44pm:
No they didnt make it but then the best things in life are made by nature


Yes. Nothing Man-Made has yet to rival the beauty of nature itself.
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Reply #25 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 11:17pm
 
Uluru is actually the head of the snake of a 26km long solidified sediment of an ancient river that bent upwards at the end. The Olgas are the same, but broken like tributaries - Hydra
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Reply #26 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:11am
 
So now national icons that are sacred to all real Australians are now the exclusive property of those who were never Australians before 'Invasion Day'... the day that eventually brought them roads, cars, hospitals, the dole, longer life, far lower infant mortality rate, better healthcare, support for those afflicted by the violence of the strongest ape, sewerage, fishing rods and boats, guns to shoot kangaroos..... not to mention urbanising them so as to aid in the recovery of the native animals they claim to have been 'husbanding' for thousands of years.... more farken goannas now then when Blackey ran the show....  nobody farken burns off swathes of bush to toast snakes and goannas and such for the supper table... now we've got Farken WAR burning off the bush to attack Whartey like that dopey Aboriginal chick in Melbadishu said while she was feasting off Whartey's table.......

Oh... and BTW.. "Invasion Day" gave them the opportunity to even claim Ayers Rock as some 'secred site, mete'.... wihout 'Invasion day' it would be open slather for anyone who could get past the spears of the local itinerants.... not that anyone with sense would want to wander out there anyway...
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Reply #27 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:12am
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 11:17pm:
Uluru is actually the head of the snake of a 26km long solidified sediment of an ancient river that bent upwards at the end. The Olgas are the same, but broken like tributaries - Hydra


Ri-i-i-i-ght - we hear you, bro....

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Reply #28 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:12am
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 11:14pm:
Agnes wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:44pm:
No they didnt make it but then the best things in life are made by nature


Yes. Nothing Man-Made has yet to rival the beauty of nature itself.


... and enjoying Nature is the right of all .....  Cool
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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 10:03pm:
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Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?


I noticed he didnt list the roof of his house either..


My house is not public land, Cods.  Roll Eyes

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and yes I do believe I read somewhere where you can climb the Syd Harbour Bridge....if you pay... Wink Wink


Under supervision, Cods, under supervision.  Strangers are not allowed to climb Sydney Harbour Bridge or any other place I mentioned.  Funny that, 'cause that is what some fools are demanding they being allowed to do on Uluru.

I am unsure why people who will more than likely never, ever climb Uluru are so upset by the idea that the Traditional Owners have decided to stop people climbing it.  Pauline Hanson changer her mind after climbing part way and decided that climbing it was dangerous.  Why aren't they willing to accept her word?  Mmmm?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




SO ........................ people can now climb Ayers Rock under supervision?  Who'd have thunk it, given the current hand-over of a national icon to a group who mostly have no ties to the area and the ghetto fence around it?

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..I see a storm coming...... not now... not here.. but soon ...... no wonder the 'government' bends over backwards to dilute the Australian gene.... what towel-head or burkha'd sheila would consider Ayers Rock as a national sacred site?

They never heard of it..... have no idea what Australia is ..... and care even less.....

Maybe if they cut down the Australian gene to a low enough percentage, nobody will be left to protest any insanity pushed on the nation... ah .... that's the game plan....
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Ah - so public land is only public land as long as some group doesn't want to control it?  How does that preserve your home?

Ayers Rock isn't 'public land' it is a NATIONAL icon, and can't be public land if it is claimed by some small group who never did anything with it ... so nobody has the right to exclude anyone since nobody owns it .....

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Its only a matter of time until the money runs out and the younger people will open the rock again
Remember when the greenies thought that getting land rights would shut down the mines....only to have the mining companies cleanse away the sacredness with cash

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Ah - so public land is only public land as long as some group doesn't want to control it?  How does that preserve your home?

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Comparing climbing Ayres Rock to climbing the Sydney Harbour Bridge. It's a publicly paid for and critical piece of infrastructure and when people climb it, the police have to close the bridge and gridlock a huge city for half a day.

Ayres Rock is just a natural land formation and is no different to any other big rock, hill or mountain. If there is a valid reason to stop people from climbing it, then those reasons should be applied to all rocks, hills or mountains.

I don't accept the notion that it's sacred, just as I don't accept any other rubbish from any other religion.



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Abbos gradually trying to claw back their land .

They didnt have the skills or intelligence to fight off invaders

So now they get their white mates to do it for them......at a cost of course.

This is a dangerous precedent, allowing primitives to stop people from walking anywhere based on some bull shite religious excuse

We all know, and its a known fact, that abbos pull the bullshite religious aspect at every opportunity

Most times its crap.
Secret women's business was proven as crap
stolen generation is crap
Smoking ceremony is crap

Just because an abbo shites, walks, looks at or sniffs on some piece of land, does not make it sacred


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They made it into a greater Farm, Garden, Pasture than what Whitey made it into.


Whitey wasn't here when that was happening & whitey didn't find much evidence of anything agricultural. Must have been a drought on. Or a sit down.
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Its only a matter of time until the money runs out and the younger people will open the rock again
Remember when the greenies thought that getting land rights would shut down the mines....only to have the mining companies cleanse away the sacredness with cash

Who cant see that coming




I dont have a problem with it being closed to be honest... people are filthy from what I have been told!and as we know Everest is treated the same way.... Angry Angry..stand back and admire....leave the rest to the imagination!
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Ban abbos from all cities

These are our cultural heritage and should not be stepped on by heathens.

They must ensure that they DO NOT ENCROACH on any white mans lands or property

They must leave all cities and relinquish all houses and welfare payments starting immediately.

This includes any who call themselves abbos white, black or yellow,

They want their primitive past?

Give it to them in spades

And when they all die out, we can simply use the land regardless

Im sick to death of this shite

They either contribute or piss off and use nothing of the billions they have scammed from the taxpayer.
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They're so clucking thick that they don't understand the revenue they're throwing away.........to buy their beer and metho........
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give it away valkie....

dont you get sick of this tit for tat..

I have always said  the aboriginal will never grow up until he stops doing that

and here you are doing exactly the same thing....

your temper tannies are the same as those who want to change Australia Day......

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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Sydney Cathedral is man made
SHB is man made
MCG is man made

Who made Ayres Rock?


Immaterial.  They are places where climbing, unsupervised, is prohibited, Gordon.  When strangers are allowed to wander off the street and climb those places, get back to us.  Roll Eyes


Are any of them off-limits because some group has projected spiritual significance onto them and used that as a basis to ban women from it, as well as men from the wrong racial groups?
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Ayers rock is not the biggest rock in Australia, it is not unique. Now you can look at it through a chain link fence, ridiculous. I think this is only going to deter tourism, they have made a big mistake. I reckon "the traditional custodians" are being pushed into doing this by white politically correct advisors .


It's not a chain link fence from what I saw but a 5 strand wire rope fence.

That they have it fenced takes away from the areas natural beauty.

They didn't have fences around it for 30,000 years.

Even if the ban hadn't been put in place & I went there ... I'd have no desire to climb it. And not just because of age & lack of fitness. I'm lazy.

As for the local Anangu complaining that they are bringing in outside Aboriginals to work there ....I'd suggest they take a look in the mirror as to why that is. They're feckin lazy.

This bloke has to be an outsider.  Grin
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:15am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 10:03pm:
cods wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:53pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?


I noticed he didnt list the roof of his house either..


My house is not public land, Cods.  Roll Eyes

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and yes I do believe I read somewhere where you can climb the Syd Harbour Bridge....if you pay... Wink Wink


Under supervision, Cods, under supervision.  Strangers are not allowed to climb Sydney Harbour Bridge or any other place I mentioned.  Funny that, 'cause that is what some fools are demanding they being allowed to do on Uluru.

I am unsure why people who will more than likely never, ever climb Uluru are so upset by the idea that the Traditional Owners have decided to stop people climbing it.  Pauline Hanson changer her mind after climbing part way and decided that climbing it was dangerous.  Why aren't they willing to accept her word?  Mmmm?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




SO ........................ people can now climb Ayers Rock under supervision?  Who'd have thunk it, given the current hand-over of a national icon to a group who mostly have no ties to the area and the ghetto fence around it?

  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


No Grap .... totally closed ... no more climbing no how.

Read da sign brudda.
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freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:57pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Sydney Cathedral is man made
SHB is man made
MCG is man made

Who made Ayres Rock?


Immaterial.  They are places where climbing, unsupervised, is prohibited, Gordon.  When strangers are allowed to wander off the street and climb those places, get back to us.  Roll Eyes


Are any of them off-limits because some group has projected spiritual significance onto them and used that as a basis to ban women from it, as well as men from the wrong racial groups?




bri bri doesnt think like that fd......hes too busy chest beating... Grin Grin

they may have to instal more port a loos at the base now they cant climb..... Wink Wink
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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 10:03pm:
cods wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:53pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?


I noticed he didnt list the roof of his house either..


My house is not public land, Cods.  Roll Eyes

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and yes I do believe I read somewhere where you can climb the Syd Harbour Bridge....if you pay... Wink Wink


Under supervision, Cods, under supervision.  Strangers are not allowed to climb Sydney Harbour Bridge or any other place I mentioned.  Funny that, 'cause that is what some fools are demanding they being allowed to do on Uluru.

I am unsure why people who will more than likely never, ever climb Uluru are so upset by the idea that the Traditional Owners have decided to stop people climbing it.  Pauline Hanson changer her mind after climbing part way and decided that climbing it was dangerous.  Why aren't they willing to accept her word?  Mmmm?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




gawd bri you sure draw a long bow......

a few on here are upset and disagree   with this decision    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes   they have no say anyway pet...so stop fussing.....I dont know what you mean by the word "strangers"  climbing the harbour bridge.. Roll Eyes

but no not all could climb Uluru..   an overweight friend of mine was not allowed to....

dont know if that was because she was an overweight stranger.. Sad
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Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:07am:
Ban abbos from all cities

These are our cultural heritage and should not be stepped on by heathens.

They must ensure that they DO NOT ENCROACH on any white mans lands or property

They must leave all cities and relinquish all houses and welfare payments starting immediately.

This includes any who call themselves abbos white, black or yellow,

They want their primitive past?

Give it to them in spades

And when they all die out, we can simply use the land regardless

Im sick to death of this shite

They either contribute or piss off and use nothing of the billions they have scammed from the taxpayer.


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go back to where your ancestors come from if you dont like it , or wont abide to LAW

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cods wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 6:56am:
miketrees wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:29am:
Its only a matter of time until the money runs out and the younger people will open the rock again
Remember when the greenies thought that getting land rights would shut down the mines....only to have the mining companies cleanse away the sacredness with cash

Who cant see that coming




I dont have a problem with it being closed to be honest... people are filthy from what I have been told!and as we know Everest is treated the same way.... Angry Angry..stand back and admire....leave the rest to the imagination!


That suggests poor management.

Charge $50 to climb it and which could pay for cleaning and rubbish removal, but they'd probably just drink it.
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Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:51am:
cods wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 6:56am:
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Its only a matter of time until the money runs out and the younger people will open the rock again
Remember when the greenies thought that getting land rights would shut down the mines....only to have the mining companies cleanse away the sacredness with cash

Who cant see that coming




I dont have a problem with it being closed to be honest... people are filthy from what I have been told!and as we know Everest is treated the same way.... Angry Angry..stand back and admire....leave the rest to the imagination!


That suggests poor management.

Charge $50 to climb it and which could pay for cleaning and rubbish removal, but they'd probably just drink it.


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Reply #49 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:21am
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:51am:
cods wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 6:56am:
miketrees wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:29am:
Its only a matter of time until the money runs out and the younger people will open the rock again
Remember when the greenies thought that getting land rights would shut down the mines....only to have the mining companies cleanse away the sacredness with cash

Who cant see that coming




I dont have a problem with it being closed to be honest... people are filthy from what I have been told!and as we know Everest is treated the same way.... Angry Angry..stand back and admire....leave the rest to the imagination!


That suggests poor management.

Charge $50 to climb it and which could pay for cleaning and rubbish removal, but they'd probably just drink it.



no mate... I disagree   we shouldnt pay people to pick up others peoples crap  isnt that giving the filthy permission to be filthy?....no no no...


might as well put a McDonalds up there and be done with. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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I suspect this may backfire on the coons in the long run, a lot of whiteys will refuse to visit there on principle.

Myself included.

Bah Humbug.  Angry
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The other week I went to an Arts Festival in a little town near Atlanta, Georgia and saw three Americans on stage playing the didgeridoo and had a laf. White Americans love that ʇᴉɥs.
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I suspect this may backfire on the coons in the long run, a lot of whiteys will refuse to visit there on principle.

Myself included.

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Nah.

Very few people who visit the rock actually climb it.

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I suspect this may backfire on the coons in the long run, a lot of whiteys will refuse to visit there on principle.

Myself included.

Bah Humbug.  Angry



so who will you be punishing red... them or yourself?

many do go there to marvel at the amazing sight it presents.. and not to climb it.. you sound like a foot stamper.. Smiley
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Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:35am:
I suspect this may backfire on the coons in the long run, a lot of whiteys will refuse to visit there on principle.

Myself included.

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so who will you be punishing red... them or yourself?

many do go there to marvel at the amazing sight it presents.. and not to climb it.. you sound like a foot stamper.. Smiley


Yes.

Actually, the vast majority go there just to marvel at the amazing sight it presents, and not to climb it.
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We all know that Whiteys had high hopes of turning Uluru into something like they've made Mt Everest.

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Moslems praise the Aboriginals for standing up for their culture
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it wont be long before the BIG  M will dominate the highways of Mt Everest.... gotta happen its gotta happen...... can they get WiFi up there do you know????
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Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Sydney Cathedral is man made
SHB is man made
MCG is man made

Who made Ayres Rock?


Immaterial.  They are places where climbing, unsupervised, is prohibited, Gordon.  When strangers are allowed to wander off the street and climb those places, get back to us.  Roll Eyes


Are any of them off-limits because some group has projected spiritual significance onto them and used that as a basis to ban women from it, as well as men from the wrong racial groups?




bri bri doesnt think like that fd......hes too busy chest beating... Grin Grin

they may have to instal more port a loos at the base now they cant climb..... Wink Wink


The only explanation I have is that Brian think Aborigines and Muslims are so inferior to him that he has to give them a free pass, even when it comes to the government discarding separation of church and state and imposing sexist and racist exclusions on behalf of aborigines.

It's the soft bigotry of low expectations.
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it wont be long before the BIG  M will dominate the highways of Mt Everest.... gotta happen its gotta happen...... can they get WiFi up there do you know????


Yes they can get WiFi up there. There is also mass line-ups in the summit stage with hundreds of climbers waiting to take their turn for a 'Selfie'. 12 died from conditions just this year - waiting their turn.
I've been up around Everest. It's a rubbish dump of epic proportions.
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Reply #63 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 9:55am
 
cods wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:36am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 10:03pm:
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Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?


I noticed he didnt list the roof of his house either..


My house is not public land, Cods.  Roll Eyes

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and yes I do believe I read somewhere where you can climb the Syd Harbour Bridge....if you pay... Wink Wink


Under supervision, Cods, under supervision.  Strangers are not allowed to climb Sydney Harbour Bridge or any other place I mentioned.  Funny that, 'cause that is what some fools are demanding they being allowed to do on Uluru.

I am unsure why people who will more than likely never, ever climb Uluru are so upset by the idea that the Traditional Owners have decided to stop people climbing it.  Pauline Hanson changer her mind after climbing part way and decided that climbing it was dangerous.  Why aren't they willing to accept her word?  Mmmm?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

gawd bri you sure draw a long bow......

a few on here are upset and disagree   with this decision    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes   they have no say anyway pet...so stop fussing.....I dont know what you mean by the word "strangers"  climbing the harbour bridge.. Roll Eyes

but no not all could climb Uluru..   an overweight friend of mine was not allowed to....

dont know if that was because she was an overweight stranger.. Sad


"Strangers" are people not known to the Traditional Owners/Proprietors of Uluru.  Tourists who just drive up and start climbing the Rock.   I would have thought that was obvious.  Is English not your first language, Cods?  Roll Eyes

People who climb Sydney Harbour Bridge must pay an exhorbitent fee and be supervised during the climb.  Their names must be known and their addresses as well.  You should try it.  It would do you good to get out of the house.
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So now national icons that are sacred to all real Australians are now the exclusive property of those who were never Australians before 'Invasion Day'... the day that eventually brought them roads, cars, hospitals, the dole, longer life, far lower infant mortality rate, better healthcare, support for those afflicted by the violence of the strongest ape, sewerage, fishing rods and boats, guns to shoot kangaroos..... not to mention urbanising them so as to aid in the recovery of the native animals they claim to have been 'husbanding' for thousands of years.... more farken goannas now then when Blackey ran the show....  nobody farken burns off swathes of bush to toast snakes and goannas and such for the supper table... now we've got Farken WAR burning off the bush to attack Whartey like that dopey Aboriginal chick in Melbadishu said while she was feasting off Whartey's table.......

Oh... and BTW.. "Invasion Day" gave them the opportunity to even claim Ayers Rock as some 'secred site, mete'.... wihout 'Invasion day' it would be open slather for anyone who could get past the spears of the local itinerants.... not that anyone with sense would want to wander out there anyway...


Actually, Indigenous Australians were not counted as "Australians" until 27 May 1967, Graps.  Please get your history right.  Roll Eyes
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:15am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 10:03pm:
cods wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:53pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?


I noticed he didnt list the roof of his house either..


My house is not public land, Cods.  Roll Eyes

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and yes I do believe I read somewhere where you can climb the Syd Harbour Bridge....if you pay... Wink Wink


Under supervision, Cods, under supervision.  Strangers are not allowed to climb Sydney Harbour Bridge or any other place I mentioned.  Funny that, 'cause that is what some fools are demanding they being allowed to do on Uluru.

I am unsure why people who will more than likely never, ever climb Uluru are so upset by the idea that the Traditional Owners have decided to stop people climbing it.  Pauline Hanson changer her mind after climbing part way and decided that climbing it was dangerous.  Why aren't they willing to accept her word?  Mmmm?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


SO ........................ people can now climb Ayers Rock under supervision?  Who'd have thunk it, given the current hand-over of a national icon to a group who mostly have no ties to the area and the ghetto fence around it?

  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


They proved in Court their ties to Uluru, Graps.  You can moan as much as you like but it doesn't make you correct.  Roll Eyes

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Reply #66 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:01am
 
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cods wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:29am:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:57pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Sydney Cathedral is man made
SHB is man made
MCG is man made

Who made Ayres Rock?


Immaterial.  They are places where climbing, unsupervised, is prohibited, Gordon.  When strangers are allowed to wander off the street and climb those places, get back to us.  Roll Eyes


Are any of them off-limits because some group has projected spiritual significance onto them and used that as a basis to ban women from it, as well as men from the wrong racial groups?




bri bri doesnt think like that fd......hes too busy chest beating... Grin Grin

they may have to instal more port a loos at the base now they cant climb..... Wink Wink


The only explanation I have is that Brian think Aborigines and Muslims are so inferior to him that he has to give them a free pass, even when it comes to the government discarding separation of church and state and imposing sexist and racist exclusions on behalf of aborigines.

It's the soft bigotry of low expectations.




oh and theres me thinking he just likes to bleed all over his keyboard telling us over and over how wonderful he is and how evil everyone else is...

no one could possibly live up to that  image  he has of himself... Mr do-good...all from his couch of course. Wink Wink..

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Comparing climbing Ayres Rock to climbing the Sydney Harbour Bridge. It's a publicly paid for and critical piece of infrastructure and when people climb it, the police have to close the bridge and gridlock a huge city for half a day.


And for how many years was Sydney Harbour Bridge, this wonderful piece fof publically paid for architecture closed, Gordon?   For most of it's existence.  Uluru has been open to the public ever since it formed.  I think it's time for the traditional owners to exert their influence and demand their rights.   You're moaning 'cause you never leave Bondi anyways.  You'll never visit Uluru.  Roll Eyes

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The valid reason is 'cause it's sacred.   No other hill or mountain is.  You have to live with it.  Your moaning and whinging is just that, moaning and whinging.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes

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Tens of thousands of NON-aboriginal racial affiliation, Australians.
Don't like people climbing on Uluru.
You don't need to be aboriginal to respect the place.
Uluru is sacred to many NON-Aboriginals.
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Under supervision, Cods, under supervision.  Strangers are not allowed to climb Sydney Harbour Bridge or any other place I mentioned.  Funny that, 'cause that is what some fools are demanding they being allowed to do on Uluru.

I am unsure why people who will more than likely never, ever climb Uluru are so upset by the idea that the Traditional Owners have decided to stop people climbing it.  Pauline Hanson changer her mind after climbing part way and decided that climbing it was dangerous.  Why aren't they willing to accept her word?  Mmmm?  

gawd bri you sure draw a long bow......

a few on here are upset and disagree   with this decision        they have no say anyway pet...so stop fussing.....I dont know what you mean by the word "strangers"  climbing the harbour bridge..

but no not all could climb Uluru..   an overweight friend of mine was not allowed to....

dont know if that was because she was an overweight stranger..


"Strangers" are people not known to the Traditional Owners/Proprietors of Uluru.  Tourists who just drive up and start climbing the Rock.   I would have thought that was obvious.  Is English not your first language, Cods? 


oh here we go  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I would imagine anyone bearing a white skin is a stranger to an aboriginal..  people like you have made that almost mandatory for them,...


and NO they do not just drive up and start climbing...they would have to have ambulances or the flying doctor. on standby if that was the case...





People who climb Sydney Harbour Bridge must pay an exhorbitent fee and be supervised during the climb.  Their names must be known and their addresses as well.  You should try it.  It would do you good to get out of the house.



what proof do they have you are giving them your real details.must you show a birth cert or passport?...
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Reply #70 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:11am
 
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I suspect this may backfire on the coons in the long run, a lot of whiteys will refuse to visit there on principle.

Myself included.

Bah Humbug.  Angry


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Under supervision, Cods, under supervision.  Strangers are not allowed to climb Sydney Harbour Bridge or any other place I mentioned.  Funny that, 'cause that is what some fools are demanding they being allowed to do on Uluru.

I am unsure why people who will more than likely never, ever climb Uluru are so upset by the idea that the Traditional Owners have decided to stop people climbing it.  Pauline Hanson changer her mind after climbing part way and decided that climbing it was dangerous.  Why aren't they willing to accept her word?  Mmmm?  

gawd bri you sure draw a long bow......

a few on here are upset and disagree   with this decision        they have no say anyway pet...so stop fussing.....I dont know what you mean by the word "strangers"  climbing the harbour bridge..

but no not all could climb Uluru..   an overweight friend of mine was not allowed to....

dont know if that was because she was an overweight stranger..



"Strangers" are people not known to the Traditional Owners/Proprietors of Uluru.  Tourists who just drive up and start climbing the Rock.   I would have thought that was obvious.  Is English not your first language, Cods? 

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oh here we go  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Afraid of a valid question, Cods?  I mean you can't even use the quote function.  Do you need it explained to you?   You've been using this webboard for how long?  Roll Eyes

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I would imagine anyone bearing a white skin is a stranger to an aboriginal..  people like you have made that almost mandatory for them,...


Shows just how isolated you are, Cods.  Roll Eyes

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and NO they do not just drive up and start climbing...they would have to have ambulances or the flying doctor. on standby if that was the case...


What do you think they have been doing?    Roll Eyes

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I'm unaware of any Birth Certificate that has a person's present address on it, Cods.

When you apply for permission to climb Sydney Harbour Bridge you must use ID (ie a Driver's License) and you must pay either by Cheque or Credit Card.  All of which is traceable.   Roll Eyes

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Reply #72 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:30am
 
The only reason most people go to that part of Australia is to visit Ayers Rock, regardless of whether most people dont climb the rock placing any restrictions on access is bad business. The local abos have just fked themselves over big time.
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Reply #73 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:31am
 
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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?


There are plenty of Mountains that are prohibited

1) Balls Pyramid (Australia) - climbing of Ball’s Pyramid was banned in 1982 through provisions in the Lord Howe Island Act, but the ban was relaxed in 1990 to restricted climbing and climbers now are required to send an application seeking permission from the state minister.

2) Mount Gangkhar Puensum (Bhutan) -  In 2003, local authorities banned any form of mountaineering of the mountain out of respect to the mountain’s great spiritual significance.

3) Spider Rock (USA) - Climbing of Spider Rock is forbidden as a directive for an absolute and total ban on all forms of rock climbing around Navajo Country.

4) Shiprock (USA) - a tragic death in 1970 on the mountain led to the strict and total ban on the climbing of the mountain. Members of the Navajo community place great significance to Shiprock and the mountain a sacred place according to Navajo traditional beliefs.

5) Mount Machhapuchhre (Nepal) - Climbing of Mount Machhapuchhre is banned due to the religious significance of the mountain.

6) Mount Kailash  (Tibet) - Due to the religious significance of the mountain, a strict and complete ban on all mountaineering activity on Mount Kailash is in place.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-forbidden-mountains-of-the-world.html

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Reply #74 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:33am
 

You can't climb the rock now.

That's the only change.

Everything else is the same as usual.

The vast majority of visitors didn't climb the rock anyway.

Nothing to see here.
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The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:31am:
freediver wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?


There are plenty of Mountains that are prohibited

1) Balls Pyramid (Australia) - climbing of Ball’s Pyramid was banned in 1982 through provisions in the Lord Howe Island Act, but the ban was relaxed in 1990 to restricted climbing and climbers now are required to send an application seeking permission from the state minister.

2) Mount Gangkhar Puensum (Bhutan) -  In 2003, local authorities banned any form of mountaineering of the mountain out of respect to the mountain’s great spiritual significance.

3) Spider Rock (USA) - Climbing of Spider Rock is forbidden as a directive for an absolute and total ban on all forms of rock climbing around Navajo Country.

4) Shiprock (USA) - a tragic death in 1970 on the mountain led to the strict and total ban on the climbing of the mountain. Members of the Navajo community place great significance to Shiprock and the mountain a sacred place according to Navajo traditional beliefs.

5) Mount Machhapuchhre (Nepal) - Climbing of Mount Machhapuchhre is banned due to the religious significance of the mountain.

6) Mount Kailash  (Tibet) - Due to the religious significance of the mountain, a strict and complete ban on all mountaineering activity on Mount Kailash is in place.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-forbidden-mountains-of-the-world.html

So the ban on climbing Ulluru is not unprecedented


So why didn't Brian use any of those as an example? Is it because he actually disagrees with bans based on spiritual beliefs, but is afraid of his own opinion?
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Reply #76 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:49am
 
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You can't climb the rock now.

That's the only change.

Everything else is the same as usual.

The vast majority of visitors didn't climb the rock anyway.

Nothing to see here.



... well... let's all agree that Reg has the right to climb the rock.... even if he can't...

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Reply #78 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:58am
 
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So why didn't Brian use any of those as an example? Is it because he actually disagrees with bans based on spiritual beliefs, but is afraid of his own opinion?


Whilst I can't speak for Brian perhaps it's just not that big a deal when less than 15% of visitors to Uluru feel the need to climb it anyway.
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So ..... since climbing is now banned, according to that sign.... you know ... PERMANENT CLOSURE ..... any bleck seen climbing it can be shot on sight?

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Well - it's a racist site, anyway.... don't you think it's time to put a stop to all this rubbish?  One out - all out... no Koons to klimb Ayers Rock either.. since 'climbing damages the rock' ...

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Reply #82 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:10am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:58am:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:37am:
So why didn't Brian use any of those as an example? Is it because he actually disagrees with bans based on spiritual beliefs, but is afraid of his own opinion?


Whilst I can't speak for Brian perhaps it's just not that big a deal when less than 15% of visitors to Uluru feel the need to climb it anyway.


"No Walkers/Climbers" - does that cover all ethnic groups?  Or are only whartey and sallow outlanders who are not 'digenous banned?

Let's be clear here.... is this being created into a Koon Only area?

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Reply #83 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:13am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:58am:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:37am:
So why didn't Brian use any of those as an example? Is it because he actually disagrees with bans based on spiritual beliefs, but is afraid of his own opinion?


Whilst I can't speak for Brian perhaps it's just not that big a deal when less than 15% of visitors to Uluru feel the need to climb it anyway.


But.......... why should they not have the right to do so? 
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Reply #84 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:17am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:58am:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:37am:
So why didn't Brian use any of those as an example? Is it because he actually disagrees with bans based on spiritual beliefs, but is afraid of his own opinion?


Whilst I can't speak for Brian perhaps it's just not that big a deal when less than 15% of visitors to Uluru feel the need to climb it anyway.


I bet the number of people who want to climb is significantly higher as they close the climb frequently in poor weather and when temperature exceed 36. And then the physical condition of many visitors who would not make it would be recorded as non climbers.

So the reason for closing it comes down to mismanagement and pandering to oogie boogie beliefs.
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new law ,

dont like it ?

go back to where your ancestors come from

this is BLACK MAN COUNTRY

many whites wonder why they get skin cancer ?

maybe you dont belong here ??
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Oogie wooogie boogie!
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new law ,

dont like it ?

go back to where your ancestors come from

this is BLACK MAN COUNTRY

many whites wonder why they get skin cancer ?

maybe you dont belong here ??



Nice attitude to your fellow Australians - the ones who work to support these shiftless Blacks...

Apartheidist...

What will those Kangaroo Kaffirs out there do for money now that they can't run OUR Rock as a business?  Hunt goannas or knock wombats on the head?
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Reply #88 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:47am
 
Wonder if we'll see a Tarrant?  Some big beefy  bloke pulling down the sign.... chain saw it...

Me?  I don't want to climb Ayers Rock anyway - but let's all just agree that I should have the right to do so .... I've done the Outback and the Terr'uh'tree... no need to go back there....
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Reply #89 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:55am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:44am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:20am:
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new law ,

dont like it ?

go back to where your ancestors come from

this is BLACK MAN COUNTRY

many whites wonder why they get skin cancer ?

maybe you dont belong here ??



Nice attitude to your fellow Australians - the ones who work to support these shiftless Blacks...

Apartheidist...

What will those Kangaroo Kaffirs out there do for money now that they can't run OUR Rock as a business?  Hunt goannas or knock wombats on the head?


we know you are a chronic racist ..

yet there is a new law in town

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Reply #90 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:57am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:33am:
You can't climb the rock now.

That's the only change.

Everything else is the same as usual.

The vast majority of visitors didn't climb the rock anyway.

Nothing to see here.


Are you afraid to even acknowledge the issue exists?
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Reply #91 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:04pm
 
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Me?  I don't want to climb Ayers Rock anyway - but let's all just agree that I should have the right to do so.


Neither do most of the people who are kicking up a stink about it
So the question you need to be asking yourself honestly is - why are you expending so much energy and making so many posts about something that you have no interest in doing anyway?
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Reply #93 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:10pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:47am:
Me?  I don't want to climb Ayers Rock anyway - but let's all just agree that I should have the right to do so.


Neither do most of the people who are kicking up a stink about it
So the question you need to be asking yourself honestly is - why are you expending so much energy and making so many posts about something that you have no interest in doing anyway?
Be honest with yourself


"If a tiny piece of the continent falls off, then Europe is the less... therefore send not to ask for whom the bell tolls - it tolls for thee."

Politics of division and steady erosion must be stopped at each single step... each tiny step, no matter how justified, become just a part of a platform for more and bigger steps ....

One day you'll get there, grasshopper...

Me?  Expending energy on this?  Not on your life - I'm stirring the pot and playing devil's advocate for the opposite side.... getting you to see that such things as discrimination etc do not work one way  only.... but are manifold and multi-layered.... and if we are ever to have a nation that is actually worth something - we cannot have politics of division and of racism.

You'll grow into your nose one day, grasshopper - it often takes a lot of pain to see truth...


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Reply #94 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:18pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:47am:
Me?  I don't want to climb Ayers Rock anyway - but let's all just agree that I should have the right to do so.


Neither do most of the people who are kicking up a stink about it
So the question you need to be asking yourself honestly is - why are you expending so much energy and making so many posts about something that you have no interest in doing anyway?
Be honest with yourself


The same is true of any piece of freedom the government might want to take away. For some reason, people only see this if it has a swastika on it. Like you only see a threat to freedom if it looks identical to the last time things went bad.

Do you have any principles, and if so, which ones apply here? That supporting black racism is more important than standing up for the separation of church and state, or fighting sexism and racism? Or are you merely hoping to pretend it is insignificant so you can ignore your principles?
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Reply #95 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:21pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:10pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:47am:
Me?  I don't want to climb Ayers Rock anyway - but let's all just agree that I should have the right to do so.


Neither do most of the people who are kicking up a stink about it
So the question you need to be asking yourself honestly is - why are you expending so much energy and making so many posts about something that you have no interest in doing anyway?
Be honest with yourself


"If a tiny piece of the continent falls off, then Europe is the less... therefore send not to ask for whom the bell tolls - it tolls for thee."

Politics of division and steady erosion must be stopped at each single step... each tiny step, no matter how justified, become just a part of a platform for more and bigger steps ....



Ok I get it
It's the slippery slope logical fallacy
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if you MUST climb  there is always Mt Kosciuszko....
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Reply #97 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:38pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:21pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:10pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:47am:
Me?  I don't want to climb Ayers Rock anyway - but let's all just agree that I should have the right to do so.


Neither do most of the people who are kicking up a stink about it
So the question you need to be asking yourself honestly is - why are you expending so much energy and making so many posts about something that you have no interest in doing anyway?
Be honest with yourself


"If a tiny piece of the continent falls off, then Europe is the less... therefore send not to ask for whom the bell tolls - it tolls for thee."

Politics of division and steady erosion must be stopped at each single step... each tiny step, no matter how justified, become just a part of a platform for more and bigger steps ....



Ok I get it
It's the slippery slope logical fallacy


No it is nothing to do with the slippery slope argument. People are complaining about this because they actually want to climb the rock, and are being prevented from doing so by government imposed racist, sexist, quasi-spiritual gobbldygook. Taking away people's right to climb this rock is actually taking their rights away. Even people who don't want to climb it can, for the most part, appreciate the real loss of their right to do so.

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Why are so many people incapable of seeing these issues without a swastika pasted on it to tell them how to feel? If a black man started channeling Hitler you would cheer him on, and denounce as fascist anyone who disagreed.
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The grand rock of the desert is finally left in peace


"When I was a little girl," said Minja Jean Uluru-Reid, "I would come here with Mum and Dad to this place and there was nothing and nobody. No one climbing. It is my home. My memory.

"Now there will be no one climbing again. I am happy."

"This place", described by a wide sweep of the hand, is Uluru. Uluru-Reid, an elder of the traditional owners, had come to see the end of long decades of outsiders climbing a rock she and her people are forbidden from climbing by ancient law.

She had come with other elders – Barbara Nipper, Johnny Dingo and Reg Uluru among others – to witness a sign being hoisted at 4pm on Friday declaring the Uluru climb closed permanently.

From today, all that is left is a long white scar on a ridge of the vast red monolith to remind visitors of one of the more curious and contested periods of both recent and ancient Australian history.

The scar is the steep track taken by tens of thousands of Australians and foreigners intent since the middle of last century on adding the conquest of Uluru to their list of travel exploits.

The climb beneath the gruelling central Australian sun has always been arduous and dangerous, but conquest of ageless Uluru has been finally been put out of reach. The track to its summit, 345 metres above the weathered desert floor, is a puny thing compared with its immense bulk.

To the Anangu, the Pitjantjatjara people who are the custodians of Uluru, that track represents something beyond age itself: it is a creation trail taken by their ancestors, the Mala men, the rufous hare-wallaby.

It is for this Dreaming, the track is sacred to the Anangu, who have been asking for decades that outsiders stop climbing it, while park management allowed it to continue.

Media photographers have been told not to photograph climbers up high on the track, despite thousands of other photographs circulating on social media. The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald has chosen to abide by the wishes of the custodians.

All those who have climbed Uluru in recent years have been required to file straight past a sign beside the gate to the track that pleads "Please don’t climb".

"We, the Anangu traditional owners, have this to say," the sign begins. "Uluru is sacred in our culture. It is a place of great knowledge. Under our traditional law climbing is not permitted." It goes on to say that "too many people have died or been hurt causing great sadness".

"We worry about you and about your family."

There have been promises reaching back to Bob Hawke’s assurance in 1983 that the climb would end.

It has taken till October 2019 for those old broken promises to be met.

Sunday night, the Anangu will gather not far from the great rock and hold a special ceremony to celebrate.

The last day of climbing, Friday, threatened to be a bust as a line of expectant climbers snaked 200 metres across the dust at the base of the rock an hour before the sun rose.

At 7am, with a chilled desert wind judged at 20 knots – and thus, about 40 knots up high – rangers hoisted a sign declaring the "climb [is] closed due to strong winds at summit".
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Reply #100 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:39pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:13am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:58am:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:37am:
So why didn't Brian use any of those as an example? Is it because he actually disagrees with bans based on spiritual beliefs, but is afraid of his own opinion?


Whilst I can't speak for Brian perhaps it's just not that big a deal when less than 15% of visitors to Uluru feel the need to climb it anyway.


But.......... why should they not have the right to do so? 


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smack the coons!!

I am going to visit and climb Mount Conner

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Mount Conner is a few metres shorter than Uluru, but covers a larger area. Unlike Uluru, Mount Conner was once part of a broader mountain range. The sandstone on either side of it was worn down by the elements. Thanks to its protective layer of hard conglomerate rock on top, only Mount Conner survived.
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Reply #103 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:35pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:39pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:13am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:58am:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:37am:
So why didn't Brian use any of those as an example? Is it because he actually disagrees with bans based on spiritual beliefs, but is afraid of his own opinion?


Whilst I can't speak for Brian perhaps it's just not that big a deal when less than 15% of visitors to Uluru feel the need to climb it anyway.


But.......... why should they not have the right to do so? 


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So I take it the Koons are equally forbidden to climb this secred site and sh1t and piss on it as well?   Cool

That's what the sign says, bro - No Climbing!!  And that means you, Jacky-Jacky!!

Anyone gonna nibble on that one?

In the case of Koonis it's more a cash of insert billions of dollars to sustain their rage and their raging whenever they've got the cash for a binge...

We need a government for all the people - not just chosen groups ...
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Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:29pm:
smack the coons!!

I am going to visit and climb Mount Conner

https://www.traveller.com.au/content/dam/images/1/3/0/9/4/x/image.related.articl...

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How do you know where to piss when you get up there?
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Reply #106 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:38pm
 
OK - so the Koons are forbidden to climb OUR rock as well:-

"she and her people are forbidden from climbing by ancient law."

Didn't stop 'em from being 'guides' and going up to check on quality of the environment, bro, so they could whine about the damage Whartey was doing in exchange for thirty million pieces of silver....... bloody sacrilege... one of their own should subject those who climbed it to a spearing ceremony...

Let's see how this 'ancient law' pans out in Realityland...

P.S.  I'm content WHEN nobody climbs it and it is left intact for all to adore... and I don't want to hear any words about 'ownership' of a national icon... NOBODY 'owns' a national treasure... not in any way, shape or form - it is held in trust for ALL the people... if governments cannot be trusted to hold things in trust - they should face being ousted ... by law ...
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freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:37pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:29pm:
smack the coons!!

I am going to visit and climb Mount Conner

https://www.traveller.com.au/content/dam/images/1/3/0/9/4/x/image.related.articl...

Mount Conner is a few metres shorter than Uluru, but covers a larger area. Unlike Uluru, Mount Conner was once part of a broader mountain range. The sandstone on either side of it was worn down by the elements. Thanks to its protective layer of hard conglomerate rock on top, only Mount Conner survived.


How do you know where to piss when you get up there?


Foller tha traditional way, bro - pick a spot...
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Reply #108 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:37pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:29pm:
smack the coons!!

I am going to visit and climb Mount Conner

https://www.traveller.com.au/content/dam/images/1/3/0/9/4/x/image.related.articl...

Mount Conner is a few metres shorter than Uluru, but covers a larger area. Unlike Uluru, Mount Conner was once part of a broader mountain range. The sandstone on either side of it was worn down by the elements. Thanks to its protective layer of hard conglomerate rock on top, only Mount Conner survived.


How do you know where to piss when you get up there?


Toilets are provided I believe!


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Reply #109 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:01pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:49pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:37pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:29pm:
smack the coons!!

I am going to visit and climb Mount Conner

https://www.traveller.com.au/content/dam/images/1/3/0/9/4/x/image.related.articl...

Mount Conner is a few metres shorter than Uluru, but covers a larger area. Unlike Uluru, Mount Conner was once part of a broader mountain range. The sandstone on either side of it was worn down by the elements. Thanks to its protective layer of hard conglomerate rock on top, only Mount Conner survived.


How do you know where to piss when you get up there?


Toilets are provided I believe!




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The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.

RESPECT OUR LAND!
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Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.

RESPECT OUR LAND!


NATIVE LAND

KEEP OFF !!!


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The drop-out drop-kick Abos are the ones who follow the Whitey Way.  Cheesy

If it wasn't for the Romans - Europe would still be living among the forest trees.
If it wasn't for the Moslems - Europe would still be living in the Dark Ages.
If it wasn't for Religion from the Middle-East, Europeans would still be living like Neanderthals.
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PLEASE RESPECT THEIR LAND

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Me:
"You own the Land, I own the Water."

Abo:
"We own the Water too."

Me:
"So you'll come diving and see a Great White Shark swimming free, with me?"

Abo:
"We own the Land, you own the Water."
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Celebrations everywhere as Ayers Rock signs are pulled down and Uluru ones are hammered in. Ayers Rock postcards and souveniers are burned and replenished shelves have Uluru in Tourist Shops.
A giant Black-Picket-Fence is being erected around Sacred Uluru -  to keep the Tourists out.

Sydney to be renamed EORA after the Tribe that was murdered and massacred there. Chinese are angry as they had just renamed Sydney as 'Shang-Hai'd'.
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Reply #118 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:45pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:44am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:20am:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11641628-3x2-700x467.jpg

new law ,

dont like it ?

go back to where your ancestors come from

this is BLACK MAN COUNTRY

many whites wonder why they get skin cancer ?

maybe you dont belong here ??



Nice attitude to your fellow Australians - the ones who work to support these shiftless Blacks...

Apartheidist...

What will those Kangaroo Kaffirs out there do for money now that they can't run OUR Rock as a business?  Hunt goannas or knock wombats on the head?


I have at least 5 generations in Australia.

Going back to where I come from is not all that sensible as I came from HERE.

This is nothing but reverse racism in action.

Banning one race from something is.....RACIST

its as simple as that.

I think we ned to stop handing over billions of dollars to a defunct, obsolete and primitive species.

Let them fund themselves or die out simple as that
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Reply #119 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:47pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:44am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:20am:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11641628-3x2-700x467.jpg

new law ,

dont like it ?

go back to where your ancestors come from

this is BLACK MAN COUNTRY

many whites wonder why they get skin cancer ?

maybe you dont belong here ??



Nice attitude to your fellow Australians - the ones who work to support these shiftless Blacks...

Apartheidist...

What will those Kangaroo Kaffirs out there do for money now that they can't run OUR Rock as a business?  Hunt goannas or knock wombats on the head?


I have at least 5 generations in Australia.

Going back to where I come from is not all that sensible as I came from HERE.

This is nothing but reverse racism in action.

Banning one race from something is.....RACIST

its as simple as that.

I think we ned to stop handing over billions of dollars to a defunct, obsolete and primitive species.

Let them fund themselves or die out simple as that


dont like it here ?

go home to where your ancestors came from,

this black fella country 60,000+ years so show respect or leave

ULURU CLOSED PERMANENTLY TO CLIMBERS !!!

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5 Generations in Australia and Valkie's people still can't take responsibility for a Country beyond letting the UK & USA look after them. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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5 Generations in Australia and Valkie's people still can't take responsibility for a Country beyond letting the UK & USA look after them. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #122 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:51pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:44am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:20am:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11641628-3x2-700x467.jpg

new law ,

dont like it ?

go back to where your ancestors come from

this is BLACK MAN COUNTRY

many whites wonder why they get skin cancer ?

maybe you dont belong here ??



Nice attitude to your fellow Australians - the ones who work to support these shiftless Blacks...

Apartheidist...

What will those Kangaroo Kaffirs out there do for money now that they can't run OUR Rock as a business?  Hunt goannas or knock wombats on the head?


I have at least 5 generations in Australia.

Going back to where I come from is not all that sensible as I came from HERE.

This is nothing but reverse racism in action.

Banning one race from something is.....RACIST

its as simple as that.

I think we ned to stop handing over billions of dollars to a defunct, obsolete and primitive species.

Let them fund themselves or die out simple as that


5 GENERATIONS OF UNGRATEFUL INVADING THIEVES ?
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Reply #123 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:57pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:51pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:44am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:20am:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11641628-3x2-700x467.jpg

new law ,

dont like it ?

go back to where your ancestors come from

this is BLACK MAN COUNTRY

many whites wonder why they get skin cancer ?

maybe you dont belong here ??



Nice attitude to your fellow Australians - the ones who work to support these shiftless Blacks...

Apartheidist...

What will those Kangaroo Kaffirs out there do for money now that they can't run OUR Rock as a business?  Hunt goannas or knock wombats on the head?


I have at least 5 generations in Australia.

Going back to where I come from is not all that sensible as I came from HERE.

This is nothing but reverse racism in action.

Banning one race from something is.....RACIST

its as simple as that.

I think we ned to stop handing over billions of dollars to a defunct, obsolete and primitive species.

Let them fund themselves or die out simple as that


5 GENERATIONS OF UNGRATEFUL INVADING THIEVES ?



idiot

i payed my way in spades, tax, tax and more tax.

$30,000,000,000.00 in taxes wasted on a dying worthless race.

What a waste of money
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Reply #124 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 3:02pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:57pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:51pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:44am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:20am:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11641628-3x2-700x467.jpg

new law ,

dont like it ?

go back to where your ancestors come from

this is BLACK MAN COUNTRY

many whites wonder why they get skin cancer ?

maybe you dont belong here ??



Nice attitude to your fellow Australians - the ones who work to support these shiftless Blacks...

Apartheidist...

What will those Kangaroo Kaffirs out there do for money now that they can't run OUR Rock as a business?  Hunt goannas or knock wombats on the head?


I have at least 5 generations in Australia.

Going back to where I come from is not all that sensible as I came from HERE.

This is nothing but reverse racism in action.

Banning one race from something is.....RACIST

its as simple as that.

I think we ned to stop handing over billions of dollars to a defunct, obsolete and primitive species.

Let them fund themselves or die out simple as that


5 GENERATIONS OF UNGRATEFUL INVADING THIEVES ?



idiot

i payed my way in spades, tax, tax and more tax.

$30,000,000,000.00 in taxes wasted on a dying worthless race.

What a waste of money


go piss and crap somewhere else

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Reply #125 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 3:09pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:51pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:44am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:20am:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11641628-3x2-700x467.jpg

new law ,

dont like it ?

go back to where your ancestors come from

this is BLACK MAN COUNTRY

many whites wonder why they get skin cancer ?

maybe you dont belong here ??



Nice attitude to your fellow Australians - the ones who work to support these shiftless Blacks...

Apartheidist...

What will those Kangaroo Kaffirs out there do for money now that they can't run OUR Rock as a business?  Hunt goannas or knock wombats on the head?


I have at least 5 generations in Australia.

Going back to where I come from is not all that sensible as I came from HERE.

This is nothing but reverse racism in action.

Banning one race from something is.....RACIST

its as simple as that.

I think we ned to stop handing over billions of dollars to a defunct, obsolete and primitive species.

Let them fund themselves or die out simple as that


5 GENERATIONS OF UNGRATEFUL INVADING THIEVES ?



idiot

i payed my way in spades, tax, tax and more tax.

$30,000,000,000.00 in taxes wasted on a dying worthless race.

What a waste of money

What a total waste of money that could be better spent on people who are not lazy, worthless parasites.

Simples
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An abbo walked into centrelink one day and stated

"I want a job"

The centerlink pleb was taken aback, never having had to deal with this in her 39 years at centerlink

She went to her supervisor who demanded to be introduced to the abbo.

He met the abbo and asked "what do you want?"

The abbo again stated "I want a job"

The supervisor was struck dumb, which was quite the effort being a public servant.

He rang the parliamentary adviser and asked them what he should do.

The adviser took it up with the minister, who took it up with the prime minister.

No one had ever heard of this ......ever

The prime minister contacted the centrelink supervisor and asked him to get the abbo to clarify why he wants a job.

The supervisor sat down with the abbo and asked.

"Why do you want a job? you get everything for free and way and you have never had to do anything?"

The abbo stated, "I think you have me wrong."

"What I meant to say is I want a shite, But I was just being polite, now where is the bog?"

After that, everyone settled back into the normal way of life and the nightmares will subside in a few years.
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Reply #127 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 3:30pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:51pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:44am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:20am:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11641628-3x2-700x467.jpg

new law ,

dont like it ?

go back to where your ancestors come from

this is BLACK MAN COUNTRY

many whites wonder why they get skin cancer ?

maybe you dont belong here ??



Nice attitude to your fellow Australians - the ones who work to support these shiftless Blacks...

Apartheidist...

What will those Kangaroo Kaffirs out there do for money now that they can't run OUR Rock as a business?  Hunt goannas or knock wombats on the head?


I have at least 5 generations in Australia.

Going back to where I come from is not all that sensible as I came from HERE.

This is nothing but reverse racism in action.

Banning one race from something is.....RACIST

its as simple as that.

I think we ned to stop handing over billions of dollars to a defunct, obsolete and primitive species.

Let them fund themselves or die out simple as that


5 GENERATIONS OF UNGRATEFUL INVADING THIEVES ?



idiot

i payed my way in spades, tax, tax and more tax.

$30,000,000,000.00 in taxes wasted on a dying worthless race.

What a waste of money

What a total waste of money that could be better spent on people who are not lazy, worthless parasites.

Simples

go piss and crap somewhere else

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So 5 Generations of paying 'hush money' and 'protection money' to the UK, like ScoMo paid $millions to the USA for Protection.

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Reply #129 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:14pm
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.


How would you know?  You've never left Bondi, now have you, Gordon?

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When you respect their land as well, Gordon.   They have lived here for 60,000+ years.  How long has your family live in Australia?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Reply #130 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:32pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.


How would you know?  You've never left Bondi, now have you, Gordon?

Quote:
RESPECT OUR LAND!


When you respect their land as well, Gordon.   They have lived here for 60,000+ years.  How long has your family live in Australia?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Ah so now time someone has been in Australia is a factor in the rights they hold. Does this apply to Muslim migrants, or just white people.

Now Bwi bwi, I've lived in Canada, USA, UK, Vietnam, Laos, Malaysia and traveled to more countries than I can remember.

You?
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Reply #131 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:33pm
 
Brian, if white people demanding that all women and non-white men be banned from a certain national park for "spiritual" reasons, would you demand we respect their land?

Or would you be a hypocrite?
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Reply #132 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:37pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.


How would you know?  You've never left Bondi, now have you, Gordon?

Quote:
RESPECT OUR LAND!


When you respect their land as well, Gordon.   They have lived here for 60,000+ years.  How long has your family live in Australia?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




So tell me, Brian - what exactly does this 'respecting the land' mean?
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go piss and crap somewhere else

disrespectful people .

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Jasin wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 3:45pm:
So 5 Generations of paying 'hush money' and 'protection money' to the UK, like ScoMo paid $millions to the USA for Protection.




How much 'hush money' and protection money' has been paid to Koons to keep them quiet and not try to burn the place down?

Lots of fires raging around here... somebody's got to be lighting them...let's just say that when caught he'd better be kept in the cells without bail... or the locals will be gathering with a rope...
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Niqqer Free Zone!
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:42pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 3:45pm:
So 5 Generations of paying 'hush money' and 'protection money' to the UK, like ScoMo paid $millions to the USA for Protection.




How much 'hush money' and protection money' has been paid to Koons to keep them quiet and not try to burn the place down?

Lots of fires raging around here... somebody's got to be lighting them...let's just say that when caught he'd better be kept in the cells without bail... or the locals will be gathering with a rope...


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Reply #138 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:33pm:
Brian, if white people demanding that all women and non-white men be banned from a certain national park for "spiritual" reasons, would you demand we respect their land?

Or would you be a hypocrite?


So now we know that Brian believes the duration your ancestors have lived in Australia affords you different rights and privileges, should migrants, even when they have citizenship be treated differently?

Who'd have thought Brian was so pragmatic about these things!
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Reply #139 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:07pm
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:45pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:33pm:
Brian, if white people demanding that all women and non-white men be banned from a certain national park for "spiritual" reasons, would you demand we respect their land?

Or would you be a hypocrite?


So now we know that Brian believes the duration your ancestors have lived in Australia affords you different rights and privileges, should migrants, even when they have citizenship be treated differently?

Who'd have thought Brian was so pragmatic about these things!



you underestimate dear Bri Bri..while he bleeds all over his keyboard......let us not forget  he would gladly give up the land he lives on..... whenever they ask for it to be returned.... Huh Huh

maybe we could ring the Mabo council and give them his name.....

then he can tell us which carpark he is then living in  and we can send him ...our well done bri bri cards..... Smiley Smiley..he is such a do gooder there is no stopping him   

he just needs that tap on his door..

right Bri?
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Reply #140 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:14pm
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.


How would you know?  You've never left Bondi, now have you, Gordon?

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RESPECT OUR LAND!


When you respect their land as well, Gordon.   They have lived here for 60,000+ years.  How long has your family live in Australia?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Ah so now time someone has been in Australia is a factor in the rights they hold. Does this apply to Muslim migrants, or just white people.

Now Bwi bwi, I've lived in Canada, USA, UK, Vietnam, Laos, Malaysia and traveled to more countries than I can remember.

You?


You don't like it when your logic is applied to you, do you, Gordon?  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

IMO, all Australians are equal. Some have rights based upon their ownership or Title to land.  Some have rights based upon their religion.  Some have rights based upon the colour of their skin and their position within society.  I don't like that arrangement but I accept it 'cause that is how our society has been created.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #141 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:33pm:
Brian, if white people demanding that all women and non-white men be banned from a certain national park for "spiritual" reasons, would you demand we respect their land?

Or would you be a hypocrite?


Answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #142 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:17pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.


How would you know?  You've never left Bondi, now have you, Gordon?

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RESPECT OUR LAND!


When you respect their land as well, Gordon.   They have lived here for 60,000+ years.  How long has your family live in Australia?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So tell me, Brian - what exactly does this 'respecting the land' mean?


It is respecting the rights of people, no matter what the colour of their skin or their religion or their position in society or how rich or how poor they are, Graps.   I see a lot of moaning and carping from some people because this is Indigenous Australians asserting their rights.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #143 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:18pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.


How would you know?  You've never left Bondi, now have you, Gordon?

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RESPECT OUR LAND!


When you respect their land as well, Gordon.   They have lived here for 60,000+ years.  How long has your family live in Australia?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Ah so now time someone has been in Australia is a factor in the rights they hold. Does this apply to Muslim migrants, or just white people.

Now Bwi bwi, I've lived in Canada, USA, UK, Vietnam, Laos, Malaysia and traveled to more countries than I can remember.

You?


You don't like it when your logic is applied to you, do you, Gordon?  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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that is how bri sees our society.. Cheesy Cheesy

no wonder not a soul agrees with him...


btw bri society isnt created...it evolves it grows it changes..all the time...

unlike some people..
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Reply #144 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:19pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:45pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:33pm:
Brian, if white people demanding that all women and non-white men be banned from a certain national park for "spiritual" reasons, would you demand we respect their land?

Or would you be a hypocrite?


So now we know that Brian believes the duration your ancestors have lived in Australia affords you different rights and privileges, should migrants, even when they have citizenship be treated differently?

Who'd have thought Brian was so pragmatic about these things!



you underestimate dear Bri Bri..while he bleeds all over his keyboard......let us not forget  he would gladly give up the land he lives on..... whenever they ask for it to be returned.... Huh Huh

maybe we could ring the Mabo council and give them his name.....

then he can tell us which carpark he is then living in  and we can send him ...our well done bri bri cards..... Smiley Smiley..he is such a do gooder there is no stopping him   

he just needs that tap on his door..

right Bri?


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Reply #145 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:21pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:18pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.


How would you know?  You've never left Bondi, now have you, Gordon?

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RESPECT OUR LAND!


When you respect their land as well, Gordon.   They have lived here for 60,000+ years.  How long has your family live in Australia?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Ah so now time someone has been in Australia is a factor in the rights they hold. Does this apply to Muslim migrants, or just white people.

Now Bwi bwi, I've lived in Canada, USA, UK, Vietnam, Laos, Malaysia and traveled to more countries than I can remember.

You?


You don't like it when your logic is applied to you, do you, Gordon?  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

IMO, all Australians are equal. Some have rights based upon their ownership or Title to land.  Some have rights based upon their religion.  Some have rights based upon the colour of their skin and their position within society.  I don't like that arrangement but I accept it 'cause that is how our society has been created.  Roll Eyes



that is how bri sees our society.. Cheesy Cheesy

no wonder not a soul agrees with him...

btw bri society isnt created...it evolves it grows it changes..all the time...

unlike some people..


Isn't that what is going on all around you, Cods?   Look, you really do belong in London, don't you?  You'd be happier there, surrounded by your own people, right?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Reply #146 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:23pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:17pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.


How would you know?  You've never left Bondi, now have you, Gordon?

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RESPECT OUR LAND!


When you respect their land as well, Gordon.   They have lived here for 60,000+ years.  How long has your family live in Australia?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So tell me, Brian - what exactly does this 'respecting the land' mean?


It is respecting the rights of people, no matter what the colour of their skin or their religion or their position in society or how rich or how poor they are, Graps.   I see a lot of moaning and carping from some people because this is Indigenous Australians asserting their rights.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


bulldust  they would say the same thing if it was Muslims or Christians doing the same thing..

they see the rock as a symbol of this country   created lon long before man black or white arrived....

get a life bri.....no one owns any land or tree or rock for that matter NO ONE...

those moaning are doing so,because of the closure.. nothing else! you always read something sinister into everything just so you can show up and chest beat Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy...
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Reply #147 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:24pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:19pm:
cods wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:45pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:33pm:
Brian, if white people demanding that all women and non-white men be banned from a certain national park for "spiritual" reasons, would you demand we respect their land?

Or would you be a hypocrite?


So now we know that Brian believes the duration your ancestors have lived in Australia affords you different rights and privileges, should migrants, even when they have citizenship be treated differently?

Who'd have thought Brian was so pragmatic about these things!



you underestimate dear Bri Bri..while he bleeds all over his keyboard......let us not forget  he would gladly give up the land he lives on..... whenever they ask for it to be returned.... Huh Huh

maybe we could ring the Mabo council and give them his name.....

then he can tell us which carpark he is then living in  and we can send him ...our well done bri bri cards..... Smiley Smiley..he is such a do gooder there is no stopping him   

he just needs that tap on his door..

right Bri?


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Reply #148 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:25pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
cods wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:18pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.


How would you know?  You've never left Bondi, now have you, Gordon?

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RESPECT OUR LAND!


When you respect their land as well, Gordon.   They have lived here for 60,000+ years.  How long has your family live in Australia?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Ah so now time someone has been in Australia is a factor in the rights they hold. Does this apply to Muslim migrants, or just white people.

Now Bwi bwi, I've lived in Canada, USA, UK, Vietnam, Laos, Malaysia and traveled to more countries than I can remember.

You?


You don't like it when your logic is applied to you, do you, Gordon?  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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that is how bri sees our society.. Cheesy Cheesy

no wonder not a soul agrees with him...

btw bri society isnt created...it evolves it grows it changes..all the time...

unlike some people..


Isn't that what is going on all around you, Cods?   Look, you really do belong in London, don't you?  You'd be happier there, surrounded by your own people, right?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




hilarious   he does it every time... backed into a corner so he deflects.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

yeah hit a nerve !    if you were genuine  you wouldnt wait for the knock on the door pet...


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Reply #150 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:26pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
 Look, you really do belong in London, don't you?  You'd be happier there, surrounded by your own people, right?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


London is a Paki/Nigerian place. Cods is not one of those vibrants.
How could ANYONE but a paki or a nigerian belong there???


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Reply #151 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:28pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:19pm:
cods wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:45pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:33pm:
Brian, if white people demanding that all women and non-white men be banned from a certain national park for "spiritual" reasons, would you demand we respect their land?

Or would you be a hypocrite?


So now we know that Brian believes the duration your ancestors have lived in Australia affords you different rights and privileges, should migrants, even when they have citizenship be treated differently?

Who'd have thought Brian was so pragmatic about these things!



you underestimate dear Bri Bri..while he bleeds all over his keyboard......let us not forget  he would gladly give up the land he lives on..... whenever they ask for it to be returned.... Huh Huh

maybe we could ring the Mabo council and give them his name.....

then he can tell us which carpark he is then living in  and we can send him ...our well done bri bri cards..... Smiley Smiley..he is such a do gooder there is no stopping him   

he just needs that tap on his door..

right Bri?


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jealous !!!  really  of a rock that no one can sell or move or take with them..... Grin Grin Grin

not of yourself surely....... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

sanctimony! aint my game mate I leave that all for you you are so full of it you have enough for everyone...... Grin Grin Grin
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you really think you do???


doesnt surprise me.
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Reply #153 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:30pm
 
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you really think you do???


doesnt surprise me.


You don't own the land upon which you live in Canberra cods?  If you don't who does?
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Reply #154 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:32pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
 Look, you really do belong in London, don't you?  You'd be happier there, surrounded by your own people, right?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


London is a Paki/Nigerian place. Cods is not one of those vibrants.
How could ANYONE but a paki or a nigerian belong there???





I mentioned I was born in London and had this special tie to the place even after all these years...

and he has been desperate to send me back ever since.....he thinks he is such a wag..... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes yes I have mentioned the changes over there and not to my liking.....but I cannot do a thing about it.....

but bri bri does love to deflect  the important issues of him giving up his property to our aboriginal brothers... if

and only if they ask him for it...

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Reply #155 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:36pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:30pm:
cods wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:28pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:26pm:
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no one owns any land or tree or rock for that matter NO ONE...


Shocked



you really think you do???


doesnt surprise me.


You don't own the land upon which you live in Canberra cods?  If you don't who does?



you think you can own land ? seriously ??

if you do not pay " rates" even if you " pay off the land "

you will LOSE THE PROPERTY

The Queen/Monarchy says it's " Crown Land "

and you will NEVER own any land , only ORIGINAL PEOPLE own land

and now, they say STAY OFF SACRED PROPERTY !!

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Reply #156 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:45pm
 
ahh Mr light    no even the Queen cant take it with her....

if anyone had found a way   guess who it would be?.. Smiley Smiley
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Reply #157 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:55pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 9:55am:
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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 10:03pm:
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Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?


I noticed he didnt list the roof of his house either..


My house is not public land, Cods.  Roll Eyes

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and yes I do believe I read somewhere where you can climb the Syd Harbour Bridge....if you pay... Wink Wink


Under supervision, Cods, under supervision.  Strangers are not allowed to climb Sydney Harbour Bridge or any other place I mentioned.  Funny that, 'cause that is what some fools are demanding they being allowed to do on Uluru.

I am unsure why people who will more than likely never, ever climb Uluru are so upset by the idea that the Traditional Owners have decided to stop people climbing it.  Pauline Hanson changer her mind after climbing part way and decided that climbing it was dangerous.  Why aren't they willing to accept her word?  Mmmm?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

gawd bri you sure draw a long bow......

a few on here are upset and disagree   with this decision    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes   they have no say anyway pet...so stop fussing.....I dont know what you mean by the word "strangers"  climbing the harbour bridge.. Roll Eyes

but no not all could climb Uluru..   an overweight friend of mine was not allowed to....

dont know if that was because she was an overweight stranger.. Sad


"Strangers" are people not known to the Traditional Owners/Proprietors of Uluru.  Tourists who just drive up and start climbing the Rock.   I would have thought that was obvious.  Is English not your first language, Cods?  Roll Eyes

People who climb Sydney Harbour Bridge must pay an exhorbitent fee and be supervised during the climb.  Their names must be known and their addresses as well.  You should try it.  It would do you good to get out of the house.


You wanker... they don't just drive up .... they have to pay to get into the national park.

It's $25 dollars a head.

That revenue will shrink now.
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Reply #158 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 6:07pm
 
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Comparing climbing Ayres Rock to climbing the Sydney Harbour Bridge. It's a publicly paid for and critical piece of infrastructure and when people climb it, the police have to close the bridge and gridlock a huge city for half a day.


And for how many years was Sydney Harbour Bridge, this wonderful piece fof publically paid for architecture closed, Gordon?   For most of it's existence.  Uluru has been open to the public ever since it formed.  I think it's time for the traditional owners to exert their influence and demand their rights.   You're moaning 'cause you never leave Bondi anyways.  You'll never visit Uluru.  Roll Eyes

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Ayres Rock is just a natural land formation and is no different to any other big rock, hill or mountain. If there is a valid reason to stop people from climbing it, then those reasons should be applied to all rocks, hills or mountains.


The valid reason is 'cause it's sacred.   No other hill or mountain is.  You have to live with it.  Your moaning and whinging is just that, moaning and whinging.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes

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I don't accept the notion that it's sacred, just as I don't accept any other rubbish from any other religion.


What you accept is immaterial. 




Yeah well that's bullshyte ... I'm amazed such a knowall like you doesn't know that.

Balckfellas want people to stop going up Mt. Kosciusko & Mt. Warning, the Glasshous Mtns, Mt. Coolum, Walshs Pyramid etc etc.

Seems what you say is immaterial as well as being bullshyte.
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Reply #159 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 6:10pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:31am:
freediver wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?


There are plenty of Mountains that are prohibited

1) Balls Pyramid (Australia) - climbing of Ball’s Pyramid was banned in 1982 through provisions in the Lord Howe Island Act, but the ban was relaxed in 1990 to restricted climbing and climbers now are required to send an application seeking permission from the state minister.

2) Mount Gangkhar Puensum (Bhutan) -  In 2003, local authorities banned any form of mountaineering of the mountain out of respect to the mountain’s great spiritual significance.

3) Spider Rock (USA) - Climbing of Spider Rock is forbidden as a directive for an absolute and total ban on all forms of rock climbing around Navajo Country.

4) Shiprock (USA) - a tragic death in 1970 on the mountain led to the strict and total ban on the climbing of the mountain. Members of the Navajo community place great significance to Shiprock and the mountain a sacred place according to Navajo traditional beliefs.

5) Mount Machhapuchhre (Nepal) - Climbing of Mount Machhapuchhre is banned due to the religious significance of the mountain.

6) Mount Kailash  (Tibet) - Due to the religious significance of the mountain, a strict and complete ban on all mountaineering activity on Mount Kailash is in place.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-forbidden-mountains-of-the-world.html

So the ban on climbing Ulluru is not unprecedented


Just stick to Australia dickhead.  Roll Eyes
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new law ,

dont like it ?

go back to where your ancestors come from

this is BLACK MAN COUNTRY

many whites wonder why they get skin cancer ?

maybe you dont belong here ??


Maybe you don't either.  Roll Eyes
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if you MUST climb  there is always Mt Kosciuszko....


We'll see how long that lasts.
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Gnads wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
cods wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:32pm:
if you MUST climb  there is always Mt Kosciuszko....


We'll see how long that lasts.


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Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:08pm:
PLEASE RESPECT THEIR LAND



They are shyte shanties because they make it that way.

Waiting for their houses to be renovated because they wrecked them.

They do not know how to live in & respect a house given to them.
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Reply #164 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 6:38pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:44am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:20am:
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new law ,

dont like it ?

go back to where your ancestors come from

this is BLACK MAN COUNTRY

many whites wonder why they get skin cancer ?

maybe you dont belong here ??



Nice attitude to your fellow Australians - the ones who work to support these shiftless Blacks...

Apartheidist...

What will those Kangaroo Kaffirs out there do for money now that they can't run OUR Rock as a business?  Hunt goannas or knock wombats on the head?


I have at least 5 generations in Australia.

Going back to where I come from is not all that sensible as I came from HERE.

This is nothing but reverse racism in action.

Banning one race from something is.....RACIST

its as simple as that.

I think we ned to stop handing over billions of dollars to a defunct, obsolete and primitive species.

Let them fund themselves or die out simple as that


I said this to you & others before but you don't let it sink in .... despite claiming education & intelligence ....

there is no such thing as "reverse racism" ....

racism is racism,

the reverse of racism is non racism.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Why smack up your post with that BS?
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Reply #165 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 6:46pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:17pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.


How would you know?  You've never left Bondi, now have you, Gordon?

Quote:
RESPECT OUR LAND!


When you respect their land as well, Gordon.   They have lived here for 60,000+ years.  How long has your family live in Australia?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So tell me, Brian - what exactly does this 'respecting the land' mean?


It is respecting the rights of people, no matter what the colour of their skin or their religion or their position in society or how rich or how poor they are, Graps.   I see a lot of moaning and carping from some people because this is Indigenous Australians asserting their rights.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


They can have Ayres rock you wad ..... but all welfare payments & public housing(that they wreck) should be bulldozed & they can live under the stars by their rock ....

like their ancestors did.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
cods wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:18pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.


How would you know?  You've never left Bondi, now have you, Gordon?

Quote:
RESPECT OUR LAND!


When you respect their land as well, Gordon.   They have lived here for 60,000+ years.  How long has your family live in Australia?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Ah so now time someone has been in Australia is a factor in the rights they hold. Does this apply to Muslim migrants, or just white people.

Now Bwi bwi, I've lived in Canada, USA, UK, Vietnam, Laos, Malaysia and traveled to more countries than I can remember.

You?


You don't like it when your logic is applied to you, do you, Gordon?  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

IMO, all Australians are equal. Some have rights based upon their ownership or Title to land.  Some have rights based upon their religion.  Some have rights based upon the colour of their skin and their position within society.  I don't like that arrangement but I accept it 'cause that is how our society has been created.  Roll Eyes



that is how bri sees our society.. Cheesy Cheesy

no wonder not a soul agrees with him...

btw bri society isnt created...it evolves it grows it changes..all the time...

unlike some people..


Isn't that what is going on all around you, Cods?   Look, you really do belong in London, don't you?  You'd be happier there, surrounded by your own people, right?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




Grin Grin They've been usurped by foreigners

your head is up your jacksie.
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it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:36pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:30pm:
cods wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:28pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:26pm:
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no one owns any land or tree or rock for that matter NO ONE...


Shocked



you really think you do???


doesnt surprise me.


You don't own the land upon which you live in Canberra cods?  If you don't who does?



you think you can own land ? seriously ??

if you do not pay " rates" even if you " pay off the land "

you will LOSE THE PROPERTY

The Queen/Monarchy says it's " Crown Land "

and you will NEVER own any land , only ORIGINAL PEOPLE own land

and now, they say STAY OFF SACRED PROPERTY !!

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The jealousy of the Convict people of Australia
where they see the British paying Aboriginals Rent
like Friends with benefits.
And the Settlers from the Land of the Free (USA),
who took what they wanted with the Gun,
whisper in the ears of the Convicts
"You'll come a Waltzing Mathilda with me"
Wink

Ahhh. Its so tempting isn't it?

You whinge about the British, you grovel to the USA.
Yet you fail to see your 'time' here
can be
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Respect your land, what a joke

Abbos have ZERO self respect.

They respect no one

They do this because they know, deep down, that they area vanquished waste ofspace.

Their days, what there was of them, is gone.

They are totally irrelevant, nothing to give, nothing to contribute.

So what does one do when you have nothing  to contribute?

You live like parasites and do....welll....nuffink.

In time, eventually, whites will wake up and realize that this is getting them nowhere.

The abbos never improve, never get any better, never better themselves.

Why?

Because they are an irrelevant and parasitical race.

The sooner they are so diluted with whites that there is no abbo left, the better

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Respect your land, what a joke

Abbos have ZERO self respect.

They respect no one

They do this because they know, deep down, that they area vanquished waste ofspace.

Their days, what there was of them, is gone.

They are totally irrelevant, nothing to give, nothing to contribute.

So what does one do when you have nothing  to contribute?

You live like parasites and do....welll....nuffink.

In time, eventually, whites will wake up and realize that this is getting them nowhere.

The abbos never improve, never get any better, never better themselves.

Why?

Because they are an irrelevant and parasitical race.

The sooner they are so diluted with whites that there is no abbo left, the better



Are these 'Whites' - just the Blue Brunettes (Skandi) and Raven Haired Greys (Latins) of the Media of Oceania?
If so - nick off to Oceania and leave Australia to the REAL Whites and Namerica to the Red Rangas.  Grin
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Reply #174 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:02pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 6:57pm:
Respect your land, what a joke

Abbos have ZERO self respect.

They respect no one

They do this because they know, deep down, that they area vanquished waste ofspace.

Their days, what there was of them, is gone.

They are totally irrelevant, nothing to give, nothing to contribute.

So what does one do when you have nothing  to contribute?

You live like parasites and do....welll....nuffink.

In time, eventually, whites will wake up and realize that this is getting them nowhere.

The abbos never improve, never get any better, never better themselves.

Why?

Because they are an irrelevant and parasitical race.

The sooner they are so diluted with whites that there is no abbo left, the better




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Imagine if Blacks owned all the Lands & Economies of the World.
Yellows owned all the Cities & Sports of the World.
Browns owned all the Temples & Libraries of the World.
Greens owned all the Military and Animals of the World.

...it might be a better World when,
Whites owned all the Seas & Politics of the World.
Greys owned all the Entertainment and Sciences of the World.
Reds owned all the Airports & Art of the World.
Blues owned all the Hospitals and Restaurants of the World.



Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Get that up yas!!! Grin
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Negros compete against all races ...........because they are great athletes.

Abbos need "Special" indigenous sports so they can compete at their pathetic level.

Negros are successful businessmen and leaders.

Abbos need to have "Special" jobs created so they can think they are successful (sort of like making retarded kids think something everyone else does every day, is special to them)

Negros genes are strong enough that when they breed with whites there is some Negro genes in the family.

Abbo genes are so pathetic and recessive that as they breed with whites there is less and less abbo every time.

Negros have to compete against whites for success in life and often do.

Abbos need "Special" help with every single thing, because they are so pathetic.

Negros fought and worked to get equality.

Abbos had to have whites fight and work for them because they are so pathetically worthless.

The skin colour does not dictate the race, its ability to be better and more than they were is the deciding factor.

Abbos are inherently and genetically lazy and incapable.

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Reply #177 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:10pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
Negros compete against all races ...........because they are great athletes.

Abbos need "Special" indigenous sports so they can compete at their pathetic level.

Negros are successful businessmen and leaders.

Abbos need to have "Special" jobs created so they can think they are successful (sort of like making retarded kids think something everyone else does every day, is special to them)

Negros genes are strong enough that when they breed with whites there is some Negro genes in the family.

Abbo genes are so pathetic and recessive that as they breed with whites there is less and less abbo every time.

Negros have to compete against whites for success in life and often do.

Abbos need "Special" help with every single thing, because they are so pathetic.

Negros fought and worked to get equality.

Abbos had to have whites fight and work for them because they are so pathetically worthless.

The skin colour does not dictate the race, its ability to be better and more than they were is the deciding factor.

Abbos are inherently and genetically lazy and incapable.

This is simply fact



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Abos originally migrated a very long time ago from the WHITE region of the Caucasus Mountains
(where the Brown Turks/Syrians are trying to stem the tide of the 'whiter' Kurdish)

...Abos were originally 'White' - hence their distinctive 'Wavy' hair follicles (Negro=curly, Mongol=straight).
Maybe that's why they are so 'hopeless'?
Travelled all this way, over such a long time and got shafted by their own lot who short-cutted by Sailing here.  Grin Grin

Abos look like Caucasoids - with a 40,000 year old tan.
Melanesians are Negroid.
F*ucking load of good then, the Whites doing SFA for 40,000 years then  Roll Eyes Grin
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Reply #179 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:21pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:10pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
Negros compete against all races ...........because they are great athletes.

Abbos need "Special" indigenous sports so they can compete at their pathetic level.

Negros are successful businessmen and leaders.

Abbos need to have "Special" jobs created so they can think they are successful (sort of like making retarded kids think something everyone else does every day, is special to them)

Negros genes are strong enough that when they breed with whites there is some Negro genes in the family.

Abbo genes are so pathetic and recessive that as they breed with whites there is less and less abbo every time.

Negros have to compete against whites for success in life and often do.

Abbos need "Special" help with every single thing, because they are so pathetic.

Negros fought and worked to get equality.

Abbos had to have whites fight and work for them because they are so pathetically worthless.

The skin colour does not dictate the race, its ability to be better and more than they were is the deciding factor.

Abbos are inherently and genetically lazy and incapable.

This is simply fact



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Just posting your stupid little picture?

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Reply #180 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:23pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:21pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:10pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
Negros compete against all races ...........because they are great athletes.

Abbos need "Special" indigenous sports so they can compete at their pathetic level.

Negros are successful businessmen and leaders.

Abbos need to have "Special" jobs created so they can think they are successful (sort of like making retarded kids think something everyone else does every day, is special to them)

Negros genes are strong enough that when they breed with whites there is some Negro genes in the family.

Abbo genes are so pathetic and recessive that as they breed with whites there is less and less abbo every time.

Negros have to compete against whites for success in life and often do.

Abbos need "Special" help with every single thing, because they are so pathetic.

Negros fought and worked to get equality.

Abbos had to have whites fight and work for them because they are so pathetically worthless.

The skin colour does not dictate the race, its ability to be better and more than they were is the deciding factor.

Abbos are inherently and genetically lazy and incapable.

This is simply fact



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Nothing sensible to contribute eh?

Just posting your stupid little picture?

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Reply #183 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:35pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:17pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.


How would you know?  You've never left Bondi, now have you, Gordon?

Quote:
RESPECT OUR LAND!


When you respect their land as well, Gordon.   They have lived here for 60,000+ years.  How long has your family live in Australia?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So tell me, Brian - what exactly does this 'respecting the land' mean?


It is respecting the rights of people, no matter what the colour of their skin or their religion or their position in society or how rich or how poor they are, Graps.   I see a lot of moaning and carping from some people because this is Indigenous Australians asserting their rights.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What rights? The right to ban women? The right to ban white men? The right to impose their religious beliefs on others? Why do you think aborigines have a different set of rights? Do you think they are too inferior to live up to the standards you would demand from anyone who is not aboriginal or Muslim?

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A 20km Aboriginal ONLY Zone is being drawn up around ULURU to protect it from the diseased Anti-Aboriginal Races.
Here Aboriginals can conduct ceremonies around Uluru in peace. Much like Moslems do in Mecca around the Haij.

In fact, Aboriginal Culture and Islam share a common similarity - they both point in the direction of what it means to be 'African'.  Grin
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Reply #186 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:51pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:35pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:17pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.


How would you know?  You've never left Bondi, now have you, Gordon?

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RESPECT OUR LAND!


When you respect their land as well, Gordon.   They have lived here for 60,000+ years.  How long has your family live in Australia?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So tell me, Brian - what exactly does this 'respecting the land' mean?


It is respecting the rights of people, no matter what the colour of their skin or their religion or their position in society or how rich or how poor they are, Graps.   I see a lot of moaning and carping from some people because this is Indigenous Australians asserting their rights.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What rights? The right to ban women? The right to ban white men? The right to impose their religious beliefs on others? Why do you think aborigines have a different set of rights? Do you think they are too inferior to live up to the standards you would demand from anyone who is not aboriginal or Muslim?

Or is your own hypocrisy beyond your grasp?


Tell me, Effendi.  Are there any other parts of Australia you are, by Law, not allowed to go?
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And the 'minority' Whiteys in Europe - the Slavs, the Skandi, the Celts and Latin.
They all thought they were 'Superior' and rulers of the World...
...until they discovered that the World was bigger than they thought and that of the 8 Regions - 'Darkies' covered and ruled 7 of them.

So like a jealous god, the Whites committed every immoral act (hence why Christianity is crumbling away in Europe) to kill, steal, rape and even threaten total Global Nuclear Destruction... holding the World's destruction to ransom if they don't at least get 'half of the cake'.

This is what the evil white race of the night sky darkness.
Where the sun burns their skins and their gene is weak in the breeding against the Dominant Gene that is 'well done' under the sun.

This is the pathetic way Whities make their way in the world.
One day, Whities will be the biggest population in the world.
But it will be a world ruled by the Tall Dark and Handsome Darkie Men.

White is Feminine (Evil) - she who got jealous and wanted half.
Black is Masculine - he who already ruled the world.
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Reply #188 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:59pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:51pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:35pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:17pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.


How would you know?  You've never left Bondi, now have you, Gordon?

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RESPECT OUR LAND!


When you respect their land as well, Gordon.   They have lived here for 60,000+ years.  How long has your family live in Australia?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So tell me, Brian - what exactly does this 'respecting the land' mean?


It is respecting the rights of people, no matter what the colour of their skin or their religion or their position in society or how rich or how poor they are, Graps.   I see a lot of moaning and carping from some people because this is Indigenous Australians asserting their rights.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What rights? The right to ban women? The right to ban white men? The right to impose their religious beliefs on others? Why do you think aborigines have a different set of rights? Do you think they are too inferior to live up to the standards you would demand from anyone who is not aboriginal or Muslim?

Or is your own hypocrisy beyond your grasp?


Tell me, Effendi.  Are there any other parts of Australia you are, by Law, not allowed to go?


There are a few where I need permission from government-appointed black people.
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Is that the Law, Effendi?
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British: "Excuse me Abo. Can we use some of your land?"
Abos: "What have you got to trade with?"
British: "These Convict Slaves - they will work tirelessly under our provision and pay you heaps in Rent money!"
Abos: "Come on in then."

You know you're an Australian,
When a Brit holds one of your arms to the ground and a Yank holds your other arm down to the ground and let an Aboriginal belt into you!  Wink
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Reply #191 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:11pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:55pm:
And the 'minority' Whiteys in Europe - the Slavs, the Skandi, the Celts and Latin.
They all thought they were 'Superior' and rulers of the World...
...until they discovered that the World was bigger than they thought and that of the 8 Regions - 'Darkies' covered and ruled 7 of them.

So like a jealous god, the Whites committed every immoral act (hence why Christianity is crumbling away in Europe) to kill, steal, rape and even threaten total Global Nuclear Destruction... holding the World's destruction to ransom if they don't at least get 'half of the cake'.

This is what the evil white race of the night sky darkness.
Where the sun burns their skins and their gene is weak in the breeding against the Dominant Gene that is 'well done' under the sun.

This is the pathetic way Whities make their way in the world.
One day, Whities will be the biggest population in the world.
But it will be a world ruled by the Tall Dark and Handsome Darkie Men.

White is Feminine (Evil) - she who got jealous and wanted half.
Black is Masculine - he who already ruled the world.



Let's bar the Abo and all other stone age third worlders from the evil fruits of whitey's inventions: welfare, health, education, aged care, etc. let the Abos and third worlders make their own arrangemnets, don't let them take whitey workers' money to cultivate their backwardness and resentment.

Self-Fund Primitivism!!!!
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Abos - they don't know they're born.  Ingrates.  It's the Irish who brain washed them, I tell you. The Irish are at heart of resentment here and in America.




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Well. If you didn't chance upon all those 'New Worlds' and get inspired to build all your 'gizmos' and inventions to make you feel 'superior' - then you would still be back in Europe 'serving' the Middle-East's Religions.  Grin

Without Aboriginals - you are nothing!  Grin
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WITHOUT ABORIGINALS AND THEIR 'LAND'
- you would be nothing!


...still stealing bread in England, murdering in Ireland and grovelling to the Middle-East's Religions.  Wink
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Reply #195 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:23pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:47pm:
A 20km Aboriginal ONLY Zone is being drawn up around ULURU to protect it from the diseased Anti-Aboriginal Races.
Here Aboriginals can conduct ceremonies around Uluru in peace. Much like Moslems do in Mecca around the Haij.

In fact, Aboriginal Culture and Islam share a common similarity - they both point in the direction of what it means to be 'African'.  Grin



I sense a war coming.... to match WAR .... good luck, Kaffirs ...
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it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:27pm:


Change your mind?  Who cares?  You're wrong pure and simple and have no idea what you are talking about.. get a grip on your subject matter before you argue with experts...
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it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:23pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:21pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:10pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
Negros compete against all races ...........because they are great athletes.

Abbos need "Special" indigenous sports so they can compete at their pathetic level.

Negros are successful businessmen and leaders.

Abbos need to have "Special" jobs created so they can think they are successful (sort of like making retarded kids think something everyone else does every day, is special to them)

Negros genes are strong enough that when they breed with whites there is some Negro genes in the family.

Abbo genes are so pathetic and recessive that as they breed with whites there is less and less abbo every time.

Negros have to compete against whites for success in life and often do.

Abbos need "Special" help with every single thing, because they are so pathetic.

Negros fought and worked to get equality.

Abbos had to have whites fight and work for them because they are so pathetically worthless.

The skin colour does not dictate the race, its ability to be better and more than they were is the deciding factor.

Abbos are inherently and genetically lazy and incapable.

This is simply fact



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Nothing sensible to contribute eh?

Just posting your stupid little picture?

Moron, you npo longer exist to me, you are dead.

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So do you, Darkie - ancient law..... get with your own program here or lose it...
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You steal a Land (Australia) from the Blacks.
More of them are gonna come to make sure you 'Pay Up!'  Wink
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Just to restore some sense to this discussion - apart from poor old light's senile racism ....

Are we discussing rights here, Brian, or Rights?  How are these extra rights derived?

Do I get to make claims against land that was once the stamping ground of my ancestors?   How do you propose that such a principle actually play out - when millions would be making the same claim? 
Let 'em fight it out?

Are you absolutely certain these local Koons are descended from locals - or are they just imports?
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Reply #200 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:32pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:22pm:
WITHOUT ABORIGINALS AND THEIR 'LAND'
- you would be nothing!


...still stealing bread in England, murdering in Ireland and grovelling to the Middle-East's Religions.  Wink


Well... it ain't their land any more - they have to buy into it now.... get started....
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Reply #201 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:33pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
You steal a Land (Australia) from the Blacks.
More of them are gonna come to make sure you 'Pay Up!'  Wink


All 3% of them are going to hold the nation to ransom under threat?

You're dreaming... be careful for what you wish, sonny - it will bite you..
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Jasin wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:21pm:
Well. If you didn't chance upon all those 'New Worlds' and get inspired to build all your 'gizmos' and inventions to make you feel 'superior' - then you would still be back in Europe 'serving' the Middle-East's Religions.  Grin

Without Aboriginals - you are nothing!  Grin


Take the cars, the hospitals, the sewerage, the booze, the cash, the roads and everything else that Whartey brought here away from the Koons - let them live things 'their way'....

You idiots are asking for war .... by all means - go your own way - but tread not upon the way of others who live here as well....

No Koons to climb Ayers Rock - ancient law....
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Jasin wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
You steal a Land (Australia) from the Blacks.
More of them are gonna come to make sure you 'Pay Up!'  Wink


All 3% of them are going to hold the nation to ransom under threat?

You're dreaming... be careful for what you wish, sonny - it will bite you..


Even now Blacks are scaring you whities out of the Yellow Man's cities. Ask Bobby about the Sudanese in Melbourne?

You stole Lands from Blacks, Cities from Yellows, Religion from the Brownies and still think you wage war better than the Olive Skinned Greenies.  Roll Eyes

What have you got 'Whitey'?
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You watch the future king William (or even upon the death of the Queen?) REMOVE all official connections with Australia and the Union Jack is removed from the Australian Flag.
"Get stuffed Australia! You're on your own!"

Unlike the Americans who had to fight the British to kick them out - Australians are faced with the British just packing up and going home.

Then the Abos will come calling.
Who ya gonna call? I bet you that you all 'grovel' to the USA for help  Wink
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Reply #207 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:55pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:35pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:17pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.


How would you know?  You've never left Bondi, now have you, Gordon?

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When you respect their land as well, Gordon.   They have lived here for 60,000+ years.  How long has your family live in Australia?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So tell me, Brian - what exactly does this 'respecting the land' mean?


It is respecting the rights of people, no matter what the colour of their skin or their religion or their position in society or how rich or how poor they are, Graps.   I see a lot of moaning and carping from some people because this is Indigenous Australians asserting their rights.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What rights? The right to ban women? The right to ban white men? The right to impose their religious beliefs on others? Why do you think aborigines have a different set of rights? Do you think they are too inferior to live up to the standards you would demand from anyone who is not aboriginal or Muslim?

Or is your own hypocrisy beyond your grasp?


When you answer my questions, I might answer yours, Freediver.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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As long as you stay off it, Jacky-Jacky - in accordance with your ancient law....
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Just to restore some sense to this discussion - apart from poor old light's senile racism ....

Are we discussing rights here, Brian, or Rights?  How are these extra rights derived?

Do I get to make claims against land that was once the stamping ground of my ancestors?   How do you propose that such a principle actually play out - when millions would be making the same claim? 
Let 'em fight it out?

Are you absolutely certain these local Koons are descended from locals - or are they just imports?


We have discussed Land Rights in Australia before, Graps.  I refer you to the relevant posts on the topic.  If you can prove you have cultural links to a parcel of land, which predate white colonisation, you can attempt to make a Native Title Claim.   I look forward to seeing you in Court.  I look forward to hearing your case.  It will be amusing watching you get the bum's rush from the Court.   Roll Eyes
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The White Race is the Female Race.
Even now, its 'technological superiority' is enabling it to surgically alter its flawed males back into politically correct Females via Sex Changes and Medications.  Grin

Black Groom.
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Reply #214 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 9:38pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:55pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:35pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:17pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.


How would you know?  You've never left Bondi, now have you, Gordon?

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When you respect their land as well, Gordon.   They have lived here for 60,000+ years.  How long has your family live in Australia?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So tell me, Brian - what exactly does this 'respecting the land' mean?


It is respecting the rights of people, no matter what the colour of their skin or their religion or their position in society or how rich or how poor they are, Graps.   I see a lot of moaning and carping from some people because this is Indigenous Australians asserting their rights.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What rights? The right to ban women? The right to ban white men? The right to impose their religious beliefs on others? Why do you think aborigines have a different set of rights? Do you think they are too inferior to live up to the standards you would demand from anyone who is not aboriginal or Muslim?

Or is your own hypocrisy beyond your grasp?


When you answer my questions, I might answer yours, Freediver.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 9:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 8:55pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:35pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 5:17pm:
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Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
The communities where the local Abbos ive are slums full of garbage and discarded goony bags.


How would you know?  You've never left Bondi, now have you, Gordon?

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RESPECT OUR LAND!


When you respect their land as well, Gordon.   They have lived here for 60,000+ years.  How long has your family live in Australia?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So tell me, Brian - what exactly does this 'respecting the land' mean?


It is respecting the rights of people, no matter what the colour of their skin or their religion or their position in society or how rich or how poor they are, Graps.   I see a lot of moaning and carping from some people because this is Indigenous Australians asserting their rights.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What rights? The right to ban women? The right to ban white men? The right to impose their religious beliefs on others? Why do you think aborigines have a different set of rights? Do you think they are too inferior to live up to the standards you would demand from anyone who is not aboriginal or Muslim?

Or is your own hypocrisy beyond your grasp?


When you answer my questions, I might answer yours, Freediver.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You don't even understand how hypocritical you are, do you Brian? You are oblivious.


When you answer my questions, I might answer yours, Freediver.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Phew** - that'll save those Koons pissing and shifting all over it when they climb in contravention of ancient law...

National icons should be preserved - they can't be owned by anyone...
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The White Race is the Female Race.
Even now, its 'technological superiority' is enabling it to surgically alter its flawed males back into politically correct Females via Sex Changes and Medications.  Grin

Black Groom.
White Bride.
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Dream on - for thousands of years it has been the men and their ability to create things that work that has been the mainstay of humanity.
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As long as you stay off it, Jacky-Jacky - in accordance with your ancient law....


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You lot couldn't even write a sign before Whartey showed you how - and you sure didn't make that sign or put it up - whartey did all that for you, as usual ... now be a good Kaffir and make sure you stay off Ayers Rock... jeez - without Whartey's Law it'd be open slather on Ayers Rock, and on your lot ...

You can't climb our rock, bro - it's against ancient law... now be a good Kaffir and toddle off...
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As long as you stay off it, Jacky-Jacky - in accordance with your ancient law....


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You lot couldn't even write a sign before Whartey showed you how - and you sure didn't make that sign or put it up - whartey did all that for you, as usual ... now be a good Kaffir and make sure you stay off Ayers Rock... jeez - without Whartey's Law it'd be open slather on Ayers Rock, and on your lot ...

You can't climb our rock, bro - it's against ancient law... now be a good Kaffir and toddle off...



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Light, are you mocking the Aborigine's (in)ability to justify the ban?
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Light, are you mocking the Aborigine's (in)ability to justify the ban?


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I still can't tell if you are making fun of them accidentally or deliberately. What's with all the stereotypes of Aboriginal people? Do you think they are incapable of a modern rational discussion about sexism, racism, separation of church and state, etc?
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freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 8:26am:
I still can't tell if you are making fun of them accidentally or deliberately. What's with all the stereotypes of Aboriginal people? Do you think they are incapable of a modern rational discussion about sexism, racism, separation of church and state, etc?


the sign speaks for itself ,

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you cannot explain spiritual content to godless heathens ..

you do not feed a baby steak some have said ,

ULURU is a sacred site, you do not invite people to your house to your prized place of worship , whatever that may be ,

for them to piss and crap all over it do you freediver ?

are you a Christian or Muslim ?

im interested if you have any spiritual faith

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Reply #227 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 8:47am
 
It's a rock, not a house. They should be free to place whatever spiritual significance on it they want, but not to impose it on everyone else. Is it you who does not understand the issues here, or are you mocking the inability of aborigines to understand?
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Reply #228 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 8:53am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 8:47am:
It's a rock, not a house. They should be free to place whatever spiritual significance on it they want, but not to impose it on everyone else. Is it you who does not understand the issues here, or are you mocking the inability of aborigines to understand?



are you a Christian or Muslim or another kind of spiritual faith ?

let us explore what you know about spirituality .

because you think " its just a rock "
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Reply #229 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 8:56am
 
No thanks.

What other religions demand the government give them mountains so they can impose racist, sexist exclusions on them, rather than building their own places of worship?

And why do you think your pictures of Aboriginal stereotypes justifies their behaviour?
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No thanks.

What other religions demand the government give them mountains so they can impose racist, sexist exclusions on them, rather than building their own places of worship?


it has been mentioned you are a freemason ,

what if one of the profane came into your lodge and took a dump on the past masters lectern .. would that be ok ?

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Reply #231 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:01am
 
Now might be a good time to ban the Abbos from congregating by the thousands and squatting illegally in city parklands and country towns, crapping  pissing breaking bottles fighting, dragging women around by the hair yelling abuse 24hrs a day while all on the dole, then leaving their crap for white man to cleanup. These places are white man sanctuaries, black fella respect or KEEP OUT.

Ayres rock base camp is now all but deserted.
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Johnnie wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:01am:
Now might be a good time to ban the Abbos from congregating by the thousands and squatting illegally in city parklands and country towns, crapping  pissing breaking bottles fighting, dragging women around by the hair yelling abuse 24hrs a day while all on the dole, then leaving their crap for white man to cleanup. These places are white man sanctuaries, black fella respect or KEEP OUT.

Ayres rock base camp is now all but deserted.



there are a great many white people hooked on ice in every major city .. your point ???

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No. You yourself have explained why.

Do you think that Aborigines are too stupid to understand concepts like liberty and equality before the law? Is that the reason for your endless images of Aboriginal stereotypes? Or are you projecting your own inability to comprehend the issues onto them?
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freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:03am:
No. You yourself have explained why.

Do you think that Aborigines are too stupid to understand concepts like liberty and equality before the law? Is that the reason for your endless images of Aboriginal stereotypes? Or are you projecting your own inability to comprehend the issues onto them?


so are you a freemason , christian or muslim ?

how do we know you know anything about spirituality ?

because the gravity will always be lost upon the inept and spiritually flaccid .. and as such you will always be in the darkness
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the native people have a few sacred sites scattered throughout Australia,

this place they have been living for 60,000 + years

whiteman has invaded and stolen most of Australia,

whiteman obviously has no concept of true spirituality and dreamtime lore .. and as such will always be wondering why..

the sign speaks volumes and is now Whiteman Law

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cry all you like , but keep your tears off ULURU

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Behold beloved beings

the seven seals *

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sacred sites are for all ,

not to climb on and crap and pee on

many are blind and still see not

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ULURU is a MAJOR EARTH SACRED SITE

not for pissing and crapping on

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You are welcome to believe whatever gobbldygook you want. But if you want the government to start banning women or white people from lakes and mountains, there is a problem.

But you do seem to be different. Rather than supporting the ban out of a sense of misplaced guilt or some idiotic belief that this will help aboriginal people, you seem to support it because you actually believe that rubbish.

You still haven't explained all your efforts at promoting Aboriginal stereotypes.
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Uluru
‘The Rock’ is without doubt the most sacred site in Aboriginal folklore. So sacred, in fact, that the government is banning visitors from climbing Uluru as of October next year. The hulking sandstone monolith has hosted Indigenous ceremonies for more than 10,000 years and the local Anangu community believe ancestral beings continue to live on at the site.



its time to put it to rest....

how hard is it to have a little RESPECT..it doesnt cost you anything   and has already been stated you probably never want to climb it anyway..

we have enough division i this country    without this crap..

they are not excluding whites only it includes EVERYONE...get over yourselves. Angry
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freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:24am:
You are welcome to believe whatever gobbldygook you want. But if you want the government to start banning women or white people from lakes and mountains, there is a problem.

But you do seem to be different. Rather than supporting the ban out of a sense of misplaced guilt or some idiotic belief that this will help aboriginal people, you seem to support it because you actually believe that rubbish.

You still haven't explained all your efforts at promoting Aboriginal stereotypes.



the GOVERNMENT has BANNED EVERYONE.. not just women and whites...

stop the victimhood.
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freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:24am:
You are welcome to believe whatever gobbldygook you want. But if you want the government to start banning women or white people from lakes and mountains, there is a problem.

But you do seem to be different. Rather than supporting the ban out of a sense of misplaced guilt or some idiotic belief that this will help aboriginal people, you seem to support it because you actually believe that rubbish.

You still haven't explained all your efforts at promoting Aboriginal stereotypes.


...CHAKRA 3 is ULURU = your solar plexus chakra

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Earth sacred sites are for all ,

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Reply #242 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:29am
 
Aboriginal men (presumably from the correct tribal grouping) are still allowed to climb.

No women allowed of course. And no white people.
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freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:29am:
Aboriginal men (presumably from the correct tribal grouping) are still allowed to climb.

No women allowed of course. And no white people.


for sacred ceremony , not for godless dissrespectful heathens

...

all earth sacred sites are now being activated for world ceremony ,

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freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:29am:
Aboriginal men (presumably from the correct tribal grouping) are still allowed to climb.

No women allowed of course. And no white people.


would you allow the profane to enter your freemasonic lodge freediver ?
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Asked and answered. You are yet to make a point. Perhaps that is your point - that there is none. Just silly questions.
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freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:36am:
Asked and answered. You are yet to make a point. Perhaps that is your point - that there is none. Just silly questions.


would you allow the profane to enter your freemasonic lodge freediver ?

answer the question on and for the record if you please as there are honourable freemasons I know of that would answer as much
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Reply #247 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:39am
 
Probably. But that's just me. I am not sure what the rules are.

Are you going to make a point with this, or just keep asking silly questions in an attempt to equate a house with a mountain?
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No women allowed of course. And no white people.



thats their business fd......they have many ideas that exclude one or the other....

I have been watching Total Control on ABC Sat night..

last night  the Aboriginal senator [Deborah Mailman]was taken by an aged aunt to a special place for women......I dont know where this was filmed  but it was somewhere remote and rather beautiful and eerie....we only got glimpses of the place...sadly I would have loved to have seen the whole.... possibly the crew filming made that impossible.....

for a moment fd I could understand the awe they hold these places in......they really are quite amazing.....and in the scheme of things   we cant compete in any way with  these epic structures.
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freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:39am:
Probably. But that's just me. I am not sure what the rules are.

Are you going to make a point with this, or just keep asking silly questions in an attempt to equate a house with a mountain?


well what I am getting at is a lodge is a sacred place ..

ULURU is native lodge

...

not your toilet to disrespect .
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Reply #250 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:43am
 
But we can claim ownership of them and ban women and white people from them.

Do you understand the difference between appreciating natural beauty and banning people of the wrong sex or race from being able to experience it?

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well what I am getting at is a lodge is a sacred place ..

ULURU is native lodge


You took a long time to make a very simple point that has been made 100 times already. I see we will have to take this one step at a time.

Can you see a fundamental difference between a privately owned building and a lake or mountain?
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Reply #251 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:44am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:43am:
But we can claim ownership of them and ban women and white people from them.

Do you understand the difference between appreciating natural beauty and banning people of the wrong sex or race from being able to experience it?


you can experience it yes ,

just dont piss and crap all over it from now on .. off limits

...
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Reply #252 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:45am
 
The aboriginal men "experience" Ayers rock by climbing it. Women and white men are banned from this experience.
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Reply #253 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:46am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:45am:
The aboriginal men "experience" Ayers rock by climbing it. Women and white men are banned from this experience.


sacred ceremony by initiated adepts

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Reply #254 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:47am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:46am:
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:45am:
The aboriginal men "experience" Ayers rock by climbing it. Women and white men are banned from this experience.


sacred ceremony by initiated adepts


The point went straight over your head.

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well what I am getting at is a lodge is a sacred place ..

ULURU is native lodge


You took a long time to make a very simple point that has been made 100 times already. I see we will have to take this one step at a time.

Can you see a fundamental difference between a privately owned building and a lake or mountain?
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Reply #255 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:50am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:47am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:46am:
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:45am:
The aboriginal men "experience" Ayers rock by climbing it. Women and white men are banned from this experience.


sacred ceremony by initiated adepts


The point went straight over your head.

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well what I am getting at is a lodge is a sacred place ..

ULURU is native lodge


You took a long time to make a very simple point that has been made 100 times already. I see we will have to take this one step at a time.

Can you see a fundamental difference between a privately owned building and a lake or mountain?



your ego is highlighted as well as your frustration

this is duly noted and disregarded .

define a privately owned building , like a building you have " paid off " but still have to pay " rates " on ??
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Reply #256 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:52am
 
Would it make any difference to your argument how I defined it? Are you just doing an Aussie?
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Reply #257 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:57am
 
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Can you see a fundamental difference between a privately owned building and a lake or mountain?


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Reply #258 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:59am
 
No.

Are you struggling to understand the question, or attempting to win an argument by inducing boredom in your opponent?
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Reply #259 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:12am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:59am:
No.

Are you struggling to understand the question, or attempting to win an argument by inducing boredom in your opponent?


this is humorous and you show your hand  , however clarity on your questioned is required and you are fearful of that ..

it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:57am:
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Can you see a fundamental difference between a privately owned building and a lake or mountain?


define a privately owned building , like a building you have " paid off " but still have to pay " rates " on ??



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I see we will have to take this one step at a time.


more ego documented

also

there is no argument

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facts have been explained unto thee and ye still are combative , yet rejoice

for this matters not in legalities .. for if you disobey the law you will be prosecuted in this life and the next , have no doubt beloved

yet after all that is said you remain in argument . there is no argument from one such as I am

only facts which have been delivered with

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Reply #260 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:15am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 8:10am:
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 8:06am:
Light, are you mocking the Aborigine's (in)ability to justify the ban?


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Where did they piss & crap at Ayres Rock prior to whitey being here?

Don't tell me .... on & around the rock.  Grin
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Reply #261 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:16am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 8:21am:


They all dead because they died.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #262 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:19am
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:15am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 8:10am:
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 8:06am:
Light, are you mocking the Aborigine's (in)ability to justify the ban?


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Where did they piss & crap at Ayres Rock prior to whitey being here?

Don't tell me .... on & around the rock.  Grin


the Anangu still live in poverty and squalor – many of them in a township situated at the base of Uluru but invisible to well-heeled visitors.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/the-hard-place-in-the-shado...

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Reply #263 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:21am
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:19am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:15am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 8:10am:
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 8:06am:
Light, are you mocking the Aborigine's (in)ability to justify the ban?


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Where did they piss & crap at Ayres Rock prior to whitey being here?

Don't tell me .... on & around the rock.  Grin


the Anangu still live in poverty and squalor – many of them in a township situated at the base of Uluru but invisible to well-heeled visitors.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/the-hard-place-in-the-shado...



whats your limp wristed point ??

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Reply #264 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:28am
 
Now this is what I'm talking about:-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-24/uluru-climb-closure-gives-voice-to-other-...

"The climb closure at Uluru could motivate other traditional owner groups around the country to limit access to their cultural and sacred sites."

Aprčs nous la deluge... and it never ends... this is an issue that needs to be finalised NOW - not allowed to drag on for forty thousand years, with a new claim coming up every week...

"Eyy - dis plece look awright, I dink I git the gu'mint declare 'im a secred site..."
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Reply #265 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:30am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:07am:
the native people have a few sacred sites scattered throughout Australia,

this place they have been living for 60,000 + years

whiteman has invaded and stolen most of Australia,

whiteman obviously has no concept of true spirituality and dreamtime lore .. and as such will always be wondering why..

the sign speaks volumes and is now Whiteman Law

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11641628-3x2-700x467.jpg

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A word first used by a white man.(anthropologist)

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Dreamtime (also dream time, dream-time) is a term devised by early anthropologists to refer to a religio-cultural worldview attributed to Australian Aboriginal beliefs. It was originally used by Francis Gillen, quickly adopted by his colleague Baldwin Spencer and thereafter popularised by A. P. Elkin, who, however, later revised his views. The Dreaming is used to represent Aboriginal concepts of "time out of time" or "everywhen", during which the land was inhabited by ancestral figures, often of heroic proportions or with supernatural abilities. These figures were often distinct from "gods" as they did not control the material world and were not worshipped, but only revered. The concept of the dreamtime has subsequently become widely adopted beyond its original Australian context and is now part of global popular culture.

The term is based on a rendition of the indigenous (Arandic) word alcheringa, used by the Aranda (Arunta, Arrernte) people of Central Australia, although it has been argued that it is based on a misunderstanding or mistranslation. Some scholars suggest that the word's meaning is closer to "eternal, uncreated."[2] Anthropologist William Stanner remarked: "why the blackfellow thinks of 'dreaming' as the nearest equivalent in English is a puzzle",[3] and said that the concept was best understood by non-Aboriginal people as "a complex of meanings".[4]

By the 1990s, "Dreamtime" and "the Dreaming" had acquired their own currency in popular culture, based on idealised or fictionalised conceptions of Australian mythology. Since the 1970s, "Dreaming" and "Dream time" have also returned from academic usage via popular culture and tourism and are now ubiquitous in the English vocabulary of indigenous Australians in a kind of "self-fulfilling academic prophecy".[2][a]


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Reply #266 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:30am
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:15am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 8:10am:
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 8:06am:
Light, are you mocking the Aborigine's (in)ability to justify the ban?


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Where did they piss & crap at Ayres Rock prior to whitey being here?

Don't tell me .... on & around the rock.  Grin


Carn' climb 'im Rock, bro - dat ancien' law dere!!  Nobody clym' 'im rock now - not Koori.. not Whartey ... not touris'  ..NOBODY!  'Im close...
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Reply #267 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:31am
 
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however clarity on your questioned is required and you are fearful of that


I cannot see any possibility of confusion regarding the meaning of a privately owned building, particularly in comparison to a mountain or lake.

Can you?

Are you trying to make some kind of point with this definition, or are you just confused?
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Reply #268 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:33am
 
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Now this is what I'm talking about:-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-24/uluru-climb-closure-gives-voice-to-other-...

"The climb closure at Uluru could motivate other traditional owner groups around the country to limit access to their cultural and sacred sites."

Aprčs nous la deluge... and it never ends... this is an issue that needs to be finalised NOW - not allowed to drag on for forty thousand years, with a new claim coming up every week...

"Eyy - dis plece look awright, I dink I git the gu'mint declare 'im a secred site..."


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Reply #269 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:34am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:31am:
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however clarity on your questioned is required and you are fearful of that


I cannot see any possibility of confusion regarding the meaning of a privately owned building, particularly in comparison to a mountain or lake.

Can you?

Are you trying to make some kind of point with this definition, or are you just confused?


" privately owned " meaning you have " paid off the property " ????

but you still have to pay " rates " to the Council / Queen/ Monarchy .. so you NEVER own it in truth .

however this

...

is traditionally owned and NO RATES are paid .

...

SACRED SITE .
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Reply #270 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:36am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:34am:
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:31am:
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however clarity on your questioned is required and you are fearful of that


I cannot see any possibility of confusion regarding the meaning of a privately owned building, particularly in comparison to a mountain or lake.

Can you?

Are you trying to make some kind of point with this definition, or are you just confused?


" privately owned " meaning you have " paid off the property " ????


Nobody own 'im secred site, bro - 'im secred... carn' buy 'im .. carn' give 'im ... e' jus' is, bro ... 'ditional residents is better word, ey?
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Reply #271 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:39am
 
The Canterbury Tales is about a group of people who are pilgrims. They are travelling to an important sacred site. ... Canterbury Cathedral was a famous pilgrimage site because it contained the shrine (a place for remembering) of Saint Thomas Becket.

so you see some buildings are place on sacred shrines.


we dont have to justify everything that men do in this world.......we would never move forward if we did..

lets just say its about respect   not what each and everyone one of us believes......

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I think Aboriginal existence was beyond anything Whitey could hope to understand.
Sure, the Europeans were living in the Forests and their greatest invention was the stick (but not good enough to come back to them) - when not long after the Greeks,  Romans began to put up a buffer for Europe against the more advanced Middle-East. Even Africans & Asians were still scratching the fleas from their animal skin clothes.

But the Aboriginals had perfected the Art of making their entire Continent a 'Farm' where everything 'naturally' provided for them. They took a natural landscape and enhanced it without any major change. They BBQ'd the bigger dangerous creatures from existence like the 6m long Giant Monitors and Marsupial Lions (Drop Bears) that fell upon them from the trees. They even conned Orca into providing food for them.

They were in essence, living the life that every Convict dreamed of - not having to steal a loaf of bread. Even though the First Fleet arrived in the last phases of a 10,000 year drought that scuttled the Aboriginal existence from the 'living' to the 'surviving' - they still lived in the Garden of Eden... until the White Snake appeared and a young Eora woman ate from the Tree of Knowledge also and saw her people 'Fall' from the Garden and know Good & Evil, Life & Death. For they were eating from the Tree of Life and living 'Forever', until the Snake deceived them.


Face it. You were just 'jealous' of them and their existence.
And like the Media with Trump, because they were not of your creating, not of you control - you sought only to destroy them.
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Reply #273 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:46am
 
cods wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:39am:
The Canterbury Tales is about a group of people who are pilgrims. They are travelling to an important sacred site. ... Canterbury Cathedral was a famous pilgrimage site because it contained the shrine (a place for remembering) of Saint Thomas Becket.

so you see some buildings are place on sacred shrines.


we dont have to justify everything that men do in this world.......we would never move forward if we did..

lets just say its about respect   not what each and everyone one of us believes......

and therefore to  be dogmatic about our so called "rights".. Angry Angry


Yes. I've just finished HYPERION (done like Canterbury Tales ...Pilgrims to the Shrine of the Shrike<death for humanity>) and THE FALL OF HYPERION ...where our Global Internet was collapse due to WW3.
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Reply #274 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:47am
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:44am:
I think Aboriginal existence was beyond anything Whitey could hope to understand.
Sure, the Europeans were living in the Forests and their greatest invention was the stick (but not good enough to come back to them) - when not long after the Greeks,  Romans began to put up a buffer for Europe against the more advanced Middle-East. Even Africans & Asians were still scratching the fleas from their animal skin clothes.

But the Aboriginals had perfected the Art of making their entire Continent a 'Farm' where everything 'naturally' provided for them. They took a natural landscape and enhanced it without any major change. They BBQ'd the bigger dangerous creatures from existence like the 6m long Giant Monitors and Marsupial Lions (Drop Bears) that fell upon them from the trees. They even conned Orca into providing food for them.

They were in essence, living the life that every Convict dreamed of - not having to steal a loaf of bread. Even though the First Fleet arrived in the last phases of a 10,000 year drought that scuttled the Aboriginal existence from the 'living' to the 'surviving' - they still lived in the Garden of Eden... until the White Snake appeared and a young Eora woman ate from the Tree of Knowledge also and saw her people 'Fall' from the Garden and know Good & Evil, Life & Death. For they were eating from the Tree of Life and living 'Forever', until the Snake deceived them.


Face it. You were just 'jealous' of them and their existence.
And like the Media with Trump, because they were not of your creating, not of you control - you sought only to destroy them.


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Reply #275 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:54am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:47am:
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:44am:
I think Aboriginal existence was beyond anything Whitey could hope to understand.
Sure, the Europeans were living in the Forests and their greatest invention was the stick (but not good enough to come back to them) - when not long after the Greeks,  Romans began to put up a buffer for Europe against the more advanced Middle-East. Even Africans & Asians were still scratching the fleas from their animal skin clothes.

But the Aboriginals had perfected the Art of making their entire Continent a 'Farm' where everything 'naturally' provided for them. They took a natural landscape and enhanced it without any major change. They BBQ'd the bigger dangerous creatures from existence like the 6m long Giant Monitors and Marsupial Lions (Drop Bears) that fell upon them from the trees. They even conned Orca into providing food for them.

They were in essence, living the life that every Convict dreamed of - not having to steal a loaf of bread. Even though the First Fleet arrived in the last phases of a 10,000 year drought that scuttled the Aboriginal existence from the 'living' to the 'surviving' - they still lived in the Garden of Eden... until the White Snake appeared and a young Eora woman ate from the Tree of Knowledge also and saw her people 'Fall' from the Garden and know Good & Evil, Life & Death. For they were eating from the Tree of Life and living 'Forever', until the Snake deceived them.


Face it. You were just 'jealous' of them and their existence.
And like the Media with Trump, because they were not of your creating, not of you control - you sought only to destroy them.


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Reply #276 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:14am
 
I wonder, how man actual local Aboriginals (the ones who haven't fried their synapses sniffing petrol) actually supported this?
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Reply #277 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:19am
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:14am:
I wonder, how man actual local Aboriginals (the ones who haven't fried their synapses sniffing petrol) actually supported this?


Those ones come under 'Whitey jurisdiction' - they're the ones who have left their traditional ways to embrace the Whitey World and all of its crap. Hell - Australians have the highest ratio in the world of Narcotic poisoning and most of them are 'not' Aboriginal.
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Reply #278 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:20am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:34am:
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:31am:
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however clarity on your questioned is required and you are fearful of that


I cannot see any possibility of confusion regarding the meaning of a privately owned building, particularly in comparison to a mountain or lake.

Can you?

Are you trying to make some kind of point with this definition, or are you just confused?


" privately owned " meaning you have " paid off the property " ????

but you still have to pay " rates " to the Council / Queen/ Monarchy .. so you NEVER own it in truth .


What is your point?

Can you see a fundamental difference between a privately owned building and a lake or mountain?
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Reply #279 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:29am
 
Light, do you see any irony in you being banned from a site that you consider to be sacred?
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Reply #280 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:32am
 
It's not about Money FreeDiver.
The best things in Australia are 'Freely Given'.
I don't pay rent, but I stay in some really nice semi-mansion places.  Wink
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Reply #281 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:34am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:28am:
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:24am:
You are welcome to believe whatever gobbldygook you want. But if you want the government to start banning women or white people from lakes and mountains, there is a problem.

But you do seem to be different. Rather than supporting the ban out of a sense of misplaced guilt or some idiotic belief that this will help aboriginal people, you seem to support it because you actually believe that rubbish.

You still haven't explained all your efforts at promoting Aboriginal stereotypes.


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Earth sacred sites are for all ,

and equate to every major energy center in your body


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1. Mount Shasta California can be climbed by the most experienced.  Roll Eyes

2. Tourists can boat on Lake Titicaca & people live on floating islands upon it .... no signs of toilets.  Roll Eyes

3. There are tours all around the ancient sites of Glastonbury & Shaftsbury.

4. Mt. Kailash Tibet hasn't been climbed for various reasons/coincidences to do with weather & climbers being misdirected ..... there's no law to stop anyone climbing.

5.Sergiev Posad Russia has to tours to all ancient cathedrals etc in the area.... including going in them.

6. You can climb Mt. Fiji.

7. You can visit the temples in Bali

8. You can climb Table Mountain.

9. You can walk, bicycle & camp through the Haleakeala Crater in Hawaii.

10. Quote:
Some of the temples at Palenque include intricate hieroglyphics carved into the stone. You're permitted to climb most of Palenque's temples too, providing for a sense of adventure as you gain a birds-eye view of the grounds below. You can even enter inside sacred tombs.


11. You can go to Lake Rotopounamu in NZ.

12. There are tours of all the Pyramids & Temples along the Nile. Besides that they're all man made.

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Reply #282 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:36am
 
cods wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:41am:
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:29am:
Aboriginal men (presumably from the correct tribal grouping) are still allowed to climb.

No women allowed of course. And no white people.



thats their business fd......they have many ideas that exclude one or the other....

I have been watching Total Control on ABC Sat night..

last night  the Aboriginal senator [Deborah Mailman]was taken by an aged aunt to a special place for women......I dont know where this was filmed  but it was somewhere remote and rather beautiful and eerie....we only got glimpses of the place...sadly I would have loved to have seen the whole.... possibly the crew filming made that impossible.....

for a moment fd I could understand the awe they hold these places in......they really are quite amazing.....and in the scheme of things   we cant compete in any way with  these epic structures.


A fictional TV show?  Roll Eyes
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Reply #283 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:41am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:46am:
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:45am:
The aboriginal men "experience" Ayers rock by climbing it. Women and white men are banned from this experience.


sacred ceremony by initiated adepts

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Usually no one gets to see sacred corroborees ..... and that show could be anywhere.
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Reply #284 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 12:16pm
 
So is Ayres Rock the first victim of Climb-It change?
"Anforth"
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Reply #285 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 12:30pm
 
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So is Ayres Rock the first victim of Climb-It change?
"Anforth"

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Reply #286 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 12:33pm
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:36am:
cods wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:41am:
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:29am:
Aboriginal men (presumably from the correct tribal grouping) are still allowed to climb.

No women allowed of course. And no white people.



thats their business fd......they have many ideas that exclude one or the other....

I have been watching Total Control on ABC Sat night..

last night  the Aboriginal senator [Deborah Mailman]was taken by an aged aunt to a special place for women......I dont know where this was filmed  but it was somewhere remote and rather beautiful and eerie....we only got glimpses of the place...sadly I would have loved to have seen the whole.... possibly the crew filming made that impossible.....

for a moment fd I could understand the awe they hold these places in......they really are quite amazing.....and in the scheme of things   we cant compete in any way with  these epic structures.


A fictional TV show?  Roll Eyes



sure it is   but the scenery I am talking about wasnt.. it was the real thing....

https://theculturetrip.com/pacific/australia/articles/11-historic-indigenous-aus...

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far Nth Qld....is all they tell us....

I thought it was awesome  and I hate that word.
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Reply #287 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 12:35pm
 
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Light, do you see any irony in you being banned from a site that you consider to be sacred?



since when were you banned from Uluru?...


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Funny how all these 'Civilised' people living in their great cities of Sydney & Melbourne can't wait to escape their places of existence when they get 'holidays' and migrate out in hordes of congestion to 'experience' such places of nature and beauty as much as they can.
Obviously, they are too incapable to set themselves 'free' and thus have to bring all their essential needs (like a TV) because they would in no way be able to survive out there in the

...natural world.  Grin
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Reply #289 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 3:45pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 12:37pm:
Funny how all these 'Civilised' people living in their great cities of Sydney & Melbourne can't wait to escape their places of existence when they get 'holidays' and migrate out in hordes of congestion to 'experience' such places of nature and beauty as much as they can.
Obviously, they are too incapable to set themselves 'free' and thus have to bring all their essential needs (like a TV) because they would in no way be able to survive out there in the

...natural world.  Grin


SIR!  Just because one lives in a pig sty doesn't make one a hog!!
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Reply #290 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 3:46pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 12:35pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:29am:
Light, do you see any irony in you being banned from a site that you consider to be sacred?



since when were you banned from Uluru?...




Since the fence went up, sistah - say - is dat a Whartey Proof Fence o' do it keep ever'one out?

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Reply #291 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 5:48pm
 
The US wouldn't have bowed to this crap. They would've got some Evil Kinevil dude to attempt a jump on a motorbike right up along the Ayers Rock path and over the other side. And televised it on a big screen right at the top perched upright like a honeymooners cock.
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Maybe 'superior intellect' Whitey can come up with something like this as an alternative to a 'walk' upon it?
Eh? Wink

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Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 5:59pm:
Maybe 'superior intellect' Whitey can come up with something like this as an alternative to a 'walk' upon it?
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We can. At Leyland Brothers World, Tea Gardens. Grin Grin
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Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 5:59pm:
Maybe 'superior intellect' Whitey can come up with something like this as an alternative to a 'walk' upon it?
Eh? Wink


We can. At Leyland Brothers World, Tea Gardens. Grin Grin

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Reply #295 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 6:45pm
 
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Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 6:38pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 5:59pm:
Maybe 'superior intellect' Whitey can come up with something like this as an alternative to a 'walk' upon it?
Eh? Wink


We can. At Leyland Brothers World, Tea Gardens. Grin Grin

Grin Grin
Didn't that burn down?

I know it became a garden centre a few years ago. I'm not sure jasin.
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freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:29am:
Light, do you see any irony in you being banned from a site that you consider to be sacred?



since when were you banned from Uluru?...




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freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 8:55pm:
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freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:29am:
Light, do you see any irony in you being banned from a site that you consider to be sacred?



since when were you banned from Uluru?...




Since a few days ago.

Are you going to be an Aussie and put a sock over your head to sneak in for a climb? Huh
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I think my head would be too big for a sock.
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Reply #299 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:36pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:23pm:
I think my head would be too big for a sock.


Aussie's got no hope then.

I've never felt the need to climb it but if I did I'd probably just do so. Well unless the govt has equipped the place with all the sensors they do to keep people out of secured areas.
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Maybe Uluru is a Farcaster Portal where the Aboriginals come from - crawling out of secret holes in Uluru from Africa? They didn't have ships to sail across the seas afterall.  Wink
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Maybe Uluru is a Farcaster Portal where the Aboriginals come from - crawling out of secret holes in Uluru from Africa? They didn't have ships to sail across the seas afterall.  Wink


Not star gates but incontinent gates?

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Reply #302 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:22pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:05pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 8:55pm:
cods wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 12:35pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:29am:
Light, do you see any irony in you being banned from a site that you consider to be sacred?



since when were you banned from Uluru?...




Since a few days ago.

Are you going to be an Aussie and put a sock over your head to sneak in for a climb? Huh


Ah'm goin' go blackface an' sneak raaaaght up on dem 'Rigines out dere at Ayers ..... in da dark dey don' see da difference!!   Wink
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Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 6:38pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 5:59pm:
Maybe 'superior intellect' Whitey can come up with something like this as an alternative to a 'walk' upon it?
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We can. At Leyland Brothers World, Tea Gardens. Grin Grin


Sorry - that burnt down - executive burn-out - just when it was sold.... funny how that happens...
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Setanta wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:47pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:41pm:
Maybe Uluru is a Farcaster Portal where the Aboriginals come from - crawling out of secret holes in Uluru from Africa? They didn't have ships to sail across the seas afterall.  Wink


Not star gates but incontinent gates?

Edit: I mean intercontinent gates.



... intercontinent.. incontinent.... the mind truly boggles....
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Maybe throw rocks at it to show your displeasure? Huh
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Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:25pm:
Maybe throw rocks at it to show your displeasure? Huh


Or take someone worth the T_Shirt and come back with an "I got my rocks of by the Rock" shirt. Would that be showing lack of respect?
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Maybe throw rocks at it to show your displeasure? Huh


Or take someone worth the T_Shirt and come back with an "I got my rocks of by the Rock" shirt.


I got laid at Hanging Rock.
It only cost me a marriage.  Tongue
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Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:37pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:36pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:25pm:
Maybe throw rocks at it to show your displeasure? Huh


Or take someone worth the T_Shirt and come back with an "I got my rocks of by the Rock" shirt.


I got laid at Hanging Rock.
It only cost me a marriage.  Tongue


Shoulda hung your rocks there. You might still be married but we would never have heard of you and your nitrogen narcosis addiction. You wouldn't have bugged what's her name and been banned. You would have been a different man... We call them eunuchs.
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Hanging Rock is cursed.
Should ban people from having sex there.
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Hanging Rock is cursed.
Should ban people from having sex there.


I wouldn't mind testing that.
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Setanta wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:54pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:49pm:
Hanging Rock is cursed.
Should ban people from having sex there.


I wouldn't mind testing that.


Easy to do. So many holes and crevices to have a nooky.
But I wouldn't advise it. It really is a cursed place.
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Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:58pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:54pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:49pm:
Hanging Rock is cursed.
Should ban people from having sex there.


I wouldn't mind testing that.


Easy to do. So many holes and crevices to have a nooky.
But I wouldn't advise it. It really is a cursed place.


I don't believe you. I'd nookie in a rocky nook there.

If you come near, though, I might point a kangaroo leg bone at you. Maybe I'd let you watch and save the bone to point at my sperm... Just in case.
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Setanta wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:01pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:58pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:54pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:49pm:
Hanging Rock is cursed.
Should ban people from having sex there.


I wouldn't mind testing that.


Easy to do. So many holes and crevices to have a nooky.
But I wouldn't advise it. It really is a cursed place.


I don't believe you. I'd nookie in a rocky nook there.


Mark my words. The place is cursed.
Even when she was getting her rocks off,
I felt a pang of doom being there.
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Reply #314 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:04pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:03pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:01pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:58pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:54pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 10:49pm:
Hanging Rock is cursed.
Should ban people from having sex there.


I wouldn't mind testing that.


Easy to do. So many holes and crevices to have a nooky.
But I wouldn't advise it. It really is a cursed place.


I don't believe you. I'd nookie in a rocky nook there.


Mark my words. The place is cursed.
Even when she was getting her rocks off,
I felt a pang of doom being there.


Not into boogie men.

If you never heard the story you would have been none the wiser(stupider).
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Reply #315 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:11pm
 
You should google google "human brain pattern matching". It is our strength and our weakness. You can see what it has done to you, you can see what it does to Light, you can see it's effect in every broken human. It's the seed of mental illness and what makes us great.
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After Hanging Rock.
Everything in my life fell apart, was destroyed
and only bad things happened ...for years.
She even gave me a love bite on the neck.
It became a benign Cancer and in 2014 it was finally removed after becoming a big lump.

Wether it had anything to do with the 'movie' I dunno.
But I reckon there is something about the place, even before that was made, etc.

The place is cursed.
It was her choice to meet there (she's a Victorian).
I never felt comfortable right from the go to meet there.
After she left, I climbed to the top - but everything seemed in shadow as if I had passed into another world.
When I left... all became doomed.
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Reply #317 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:17pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:14pm:
After Hanging Rock.
Everything in my life fell apart, was destroyed
and only bad things happened ...for years.
She even gave me a love bite on the neck.
It became a benign Cancer and in 2014 it was finally removed after becoming a big lump.

Wether it had anything to do with the 'movie' I dunno.
But I reckon there is something about the place, even before that was made, etc.

The place is cursed.
It was her choice to meet there (she's a Victorian).
I never felt comfortable right from the go to meet there.
After she left, I climbed to the top - but everything seemed in shadow as if I had passed into another world.
When I left... all became doomed.


No place is cursed. It's just a place. You are pattern matching, extrapolating.

Perhaps a witch doctor can help you...  Undecided
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Reply #318 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:23pm
 
I understand what you are saying and I agree with such in many things of the world.

But no. I'm not alone in this.
Later I found that 'others' (both sexes) have experienced similar. Many have come away from that place and into ill luck, so to speak - some minor, some worse than I experienced.
Not too dissimilar to people having heart attacks and falling off Uluru - to put into perspective.

...but with Hanging Rock, I just felt at the top of it, that my life had become forfeited. I took a photo for a couple up there and after returning the camera they asked "Are you ok?" Apparently I was sweating profusely, like a cold sweat.
Look into it. I'm not the only one who 'caught the curse' there.
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Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:23pm:
I understand what you are saying and I agree with such in many things of the world.

But no. I'm not alone in this.
Later I found that 'others' (both sexes) have experienced similar. Many have come away from that place and into ill luck, so to speak - some minor, some worse than I experienced.
Not too dissimilar to people having heart attacks and falling off Uluru - to put into perspective.

...but with Hanging Rock, I just felt at the top of it, that my life had become forfeited. I took a photo for a couple up there and after returning the camera they asked "Are you ok?" Apparently I was sweating profusely, like a cold sweat.
Look into it. I'm not the only one who 'caught the curse' there.


Because they are doing the same thing? Pattern matching anything that they saw as "bad" to the place? I bet every one of them was already primed by the story and therefore it became the focal point for their failures. No-one likes to admit their failure.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. Think about it. Why would "one" placed be cursed? Ever been to Babinda? Perhaps it's cursed too? Perhaps people want to believe in shyte and pattern match when it goes along with what they want.
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As you can see...
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As you can see...


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Setanta wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:30pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:23pm:
I understand what you are saying and I agree with such in many things of the world.

But no. I'm not alone in this.
Later I found that 'others' (both sexes) have experienced similar. Many have come away from that place and into ill luck, so to speak - some minor, some worse than I experienced.
Not too dissimilar to people having heart attacks and falling off Uluru - to put into perspective.

...but with Hanging Rock, I just felt at the top of it, that my life had become forfeited. I took a photo for a couple up there and after returning the camera they asked "Are you ok?" Apparently I was sweating profusely, like a cold sweat.
Look into it. I'm not the only one who 'caught the curse' there.


Because they are doing the same thing? Pattern matching anything that they saw as "bad" to the place? I bet every one of them was already primed by the story and therefore it became the focal point for their failures. No-one likes to admit their failure.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. Think about it. Why would "one" placed be cursed? Ever been to Babinda? Perhaps it's cursed too? Perhaps people eant to believe in shyte and pattern match when it goes along with what they want.


Then explain why I felt that something 'bad' really bad was going to happen at a school where a Teacher was murdered? Why did I tell someone there as if to warn them - a week before it happened?

When you walk into the Shadow World Set, you really can see the Dark Side. It's real and Hanging Rock brought me through into it.

Have i escaped it? Yes. But the Scar is still there to remind me.
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Reply #323 - Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:36pm
 
As I mentioned, Google Babinda, then Black Mountain (Kalkajaka). Australia is full of evil places, or it's not. If it is then I'd have to wonder why Europe is not full of evil places or anywhere else.

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Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?


You believe in religious rights don't you FD?

Uluru is a sacred site to many aboriginal people. It part of their religious belief. Shouldn't that right be respected?
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Hands up who supports the government's upcoming religious discrimination bill.

What we have here is a group of Australians exercising their religious beliefs. If you don't like it too f.ucking bad. Contact your local member and demand they vote against the bill.
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Raven wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:53pm:
Hands up who supports the government's upcoming religious discrimination bill.

What we have here is a group of Australians exercising their religious beliefs. If you don't like it too f.ucking bad. Contact your local member and demand they vote against the bill.


Define 'religious' ...... then advise on whether or not their are grades of religious belief.... are some better than others?
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Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

YES - if it is approved by law and legal.


Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

YES - if it is approved by law and legal.


Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

YES - if it is approved by law and legal.


The only difference between strangers and anyone else is in your mind.

But we already know that....

A stranger behaving by the rules is the same as anyone else....... HELLO, dumb-ass!!

How do YOU make the difference between 'strangers' and anyone else?   Cool 

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Raven wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:46pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:25pm:
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Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?


You believe in religious rights don't you FD?

Uluru is a sacred site to many aboriginal people. It part of their religious belief. Shouldn't that right be respected?


People should have the right to freely practice their religion. They should not have the right to make the government impose their beliefs on others. As far as I know every single tribe had a number of sacred sites within their territory. If your religious beliefs include racist, sexist exclusions from natural monuments, then respecting that is just as dangerous as respecting a Muslim's belief in raping little girls.

The only reason Ayers rock seems to have more religious significance to Aboriginal people is because of the significance that non-aboriginal people have placed on it, economically, tourism, and as Light demonstrates, many non-Aboriginals also project a spiritual significance on it. It's easy to do with a mountain, especially one poking up from a flat plain. As far as the aboriginal's are concerned, it's just another one out of thousands or millions that happened to get handed over to them. It won't make them happy, just like allowing a Christian to hang on to one page of their Bible would not make them happy.

When you say we need to respect by imposition the racist, sexist, religious beliefs of Aborigines, what you really mean is that we have to give up on them and accept that they are inferior and cannot be held to the same liberal standards as everyone else.

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Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. You spew endless gibberish on here. Like Nostradamus, among them might be a few gems that somehow resemble an unfolding truth. Unlike Nostradamus, you don't get to delete all the incorrect predictions.
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freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 7:25am:
Raven wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:46pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?


You believe in religious rights don't you FD?

Uluru is a sacred site to many aboriginal people. It part of their religious belief. Shouldn't that right be respected?


People should have the right to freely practice their religion. They should not have the right to make the government impose their beliefs on others. As far as I know every single tribe had a number of sacred sites within their territory. If your religious beliefs include racist, sexist exclusions from natural monuments, then respecting that is just as dangerous as respecting a Muslim's belief in raping little girls.

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Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. You spew endless gibberish on here. Like Nostradamus, among them might be a few gems that somehow resemble an unfolding truth. Unlike Nostradamus, you don't get to delete all the incorrect predictions.



thats a long bow you have drawn there fd....

The Vatican City  is a sacred site to Catholics all over the world....and many people of other faiths respect that.....does that mean they believe they are all paedophiles.???

we are after all talking about a "rock"  something that 99% of aussies wouldnt give a second though too..until someone says   NO MORE.... and then suddenly it becomes a part of their every day lives.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes.. suddenly their lives will be no more.. Cry Cry

I am surprised you havent already organised a national uprising against this dastardly deed   Smiley

we need more people like you standing up for the rights of all those who appear to be against EVERYTHING. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Smiley

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Crap. Ayers rock has been a symbol of Australia, a significant tourist drawcard and even a spiritual place to people like Light since long before it occurred to people to give Aborigines special rights.

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Crap. Ayers rock has been a symbol of Australia, a significant tourist drawcard and even a spiritual place to people like Light since long before it occurred to people to give Aborigines special rights.


I am talking about it being on peoples minds......every day...look at the threads here all about the rock   since when have you seen such interest before now?????????????????????????????.

and its because they have what they and you claim is their RIGHT.. to climb the bloody thing.... when they wouldnt even want too.


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hahaha.....this isnt about equality....
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That's what people keep insisting, because they dearly want to believe that they can justify treating Aborigines different under the law, to the extent that the law actually supports racist, sexist policies on their behalf.

But when you try to treat one group of people differently under the law, it inevitably becomes an issue of equality before the law.

How do you think the voting public would react if a bunch of white men wanted to ban all black people and all women from a mountain of national significance so they could conduct 'spiritual' rituals up there? Would their hypocrisy finally dawn on them, or would they screech blue murder until their throats were sore, then go back to congratulating themselves on how much respect they are showing Aborigines?
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freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 8:07am:
That's what people keep insisting, because they dearly want to believe that they can justify treating Aborigines different under the law, to the extent that the law actually supports racist, sexist policies on their behalf.

But when you try to treat one group of people differently under the law, it inevitably becomes an issue of equality before the law.

How do you think the voting public would react if a bunch of white men wanted to ban all black people and all women from a mountain of national significance so they could conduct 'spiritual' rituals up there? Would their hypocrisy finally dawn on them, or would they screech blue murder until their throats were sore, then go back to congratulating themselves on how much respect they are showing Aborigines?




but but but   they are not doing that......they are not banning all white men and women,...



you just happen to be white and have a complex. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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They are literally banning all women and all non-Aboriginal men from Ayers rock. You have repeatedly contradicted this claim cods, but you never follow through. You are confused, and will remain confused until you attempt to explain what you are on about.

Now if it was white men imposing a racist, sexist government policy, you would see it for what it is, but when black men do it you can only imagine that criticism of it must be based on some kind of complex.

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Jesus who would have thought the racists would be triggered so hard over this...

I bet 99% on here would have never dreamt of climbing the rock until they thought a blackfella said they couldn't.
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SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 8:46am:
Jesus who would have thought the racists would be triggered so hard over this...

I bet 99% on here would have never dreamt of climbing the rock until they thought a blackfella said they couldn't.


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They are literally banning all women and all non-Aboriginal men from Ayers rock. You have repeatedly contradicted this claim cods, but you never follow through. You are confused, and will remain confused until you attempt to explain what you are on about.

Now if it was white men imposing a racist, sexist government policy, you would see it for what it is, but when black men do it you can only imagine that criticism of it must be based on some kind of complex.

Some people only recognise racism if there is a swastika on it to tell them how they should feel.



you dont get it freediver ,

the natives do not want racist uninitiated people defiling their place of worship ..

people/ men like this ..

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Soon afterwards, community members spoke of the tragic scale of the sniffing crisis slowing destroying the 400-strong community, considered the traditional owners of Uluru.

"It's something that happens every day, they walk thorough the community all the time with cans to their face," local council member Graeme Calma said.

I've seen a pregnant woman sitting next to her mother with a petrol tin tied around her face. I've also seen mothers pushing prams with petrol tins tied around their face," he said.



white man poison yes .. your point is made well ..


Yeah - that white man forces them to do it... Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

So irresponsible if left to their own devices they need to be treated as children and strictly controlled and never allowed to control anything... and surely young children would be better off than living like that..... maybe they could be saved unlike the adults...

Do you ever think about what you are saying?


We treat them as if they were that retarded child

Praising every little tiny achievement,
Achievements that are simply every day actions and tasks to us.

They need their hands held in every thing they do.
We give them so much, and still they fail, time and time again.

They are a failed, insignificant and pointless waste of oxygen

They take, take, take and still want more
They give nothing
They have no idea of how to look after themselves or their children.
But to rescue the children, is to bring down hails of stolen children.
So simply leave them there, they can be raped, murdered or become drug addicted at their own pace.

I'm Truely sick of their racism.
Their unwillingness to share or contribute
I'm sick of their parasitic and genetic laziness
I'm sick to DEATH of my taxes being flushed down the toilet of abbo welfare.

Leave them to rot
It's what they want
They know they have no future
So they just want to wipe themselves out with petrol, drugs and grog
Send trucks full of grog to all settlements until they drink themselves dead and the problem will go away.



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and who could blame them , and for women ,

they are open to spiritual attack from demonic astral beings, only initiated men can protect from these lower level consciousness non physical beings

these lower level non physical beings easily possess women for they are vulnerable to their deceptive ways , and so the men protect

this knowledge has been 60,000+ years in the gathering .. and so the fact and gravity is lost upon the minds of materialistic hateful racists , and the uninitiated

yet all remain loved so go and figure that doozy out , yet not ontop of ULURU

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Reply #338 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:13am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 8:45am:
They are literally banning all women and all non-Aboriginal men from Ayers rock. You have repeatedly contradicted this claim cods, but you never follow through. You are confused, and will remain confused until you attempt to explain what you are on about.

Now if it was white men imposing a racist, sexist government policy, you would see it for what it is, but when black men do it you can only imagine that criticism of it must be based on some kind of complex.

Some people only recognise racism if there is a swastika on it to tell them how they should feel.



of all colours fd all colour  not just white....which you have repeated mentioned...


and women are not allowed to go to a lot of places in aboriginal lore.....get over it....the rock is a symbol of spirituality to aboriginals....for gods sakes fd will they shoot you if you dare to ignore the sign and climb the rock??????....

would I be allowed to go into a national park and cut down a TREE.no I wouldnt! and neither would anyone else.....if that tree was sick and needed to be removed then someone would be allowed to get around the law.. and remove it...

its the same in this case   if the need is there then aboriginal men may climb the rock...


its only racism in your mind..
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Reply #339 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:14am
 
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:13am:
freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 8:45am:
They are literally banning all women and all non-Aboriginal men from Ayers rock. You have repeatedly contradicted this claim cods, but you never follow through. You are confused, and will remain confused until you attempt to explain what you are on about.

Now if it was white men imposing a racist, sexist government policy, you would see it for what it is, but when black men do it you can only imagine that criticism of it must be based on some kind of complex.

Some people only recognise racism if there is a swastika on it to tell them how they should feel.



of all colours fd all colour  not just white....which you have repeated mentioned...


and women are not allowed to go to a lot of places in aboriginal lore.....get over it....the rock is a symbol of spirituality to aboriginals....for gods sakes fd will they shoot you if you dare to ignore the sign and climb the rock??????....

would I be allowed to go into a national park and cut down a TREE.no I wouldnt! and neither would anyone else.....if that tree was sick and needed to be removed then someone would be allowed to get around the law.. and remove it...

its the same in this case   if the need is there then aboriginal men may climb the rock...


its only racism in your mind..


also Cods,

there are many places that native men are NOT ALLOWED

research " secret womens business " if any are in doubt
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Who said everything needs to be like 'Co-Ed'?
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Reply #341 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:20am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:14am:
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:13am:
freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 8:45am:
They are literally banning all women and all non-Aboriginal men from Ayers rock. You have repeatedly contradicted this claim cods, but you never follow through. You are confused, and will remain confused until you attempt to explain what you are on about.

Now if it was white men imposing a racist, sexist government policy, you would see it for what it is, but when black men do it you can only imagine that criticism of it must be based on some kind of complex.

Some people only recognise racism if there is a swastika on it to tell them how they should feel.



of all colours fd all colour  not just white....which you have repeated mentioned...


and women are not allowed to go to a lot of places in aboriginal lore.....get over it....the rock is a symbol of spirituality to aboriginals....for gods sakes fd will they shoot you if you dare to ignore the sign and climb the rock??????....

would I be allowed to go into a national park and cut down a TREE.no I wouldnt! and neither would anyone else.....if that tree was sick and needed to be removed then someone would be allowed to get around the law.. and remove it...

its the same in this case   if the need is there then aboriginal men may climb the rock...


its only racism in your mind..


also Cods,

there are many places that native men are NOT ALLOWED

research " secret womens business " if any are in doubt




yes I am sure......dont we even have a Minister of Womens Affairs... Smiley Smiley.. I am surprised fd hasnt had a hissy over that.....not very equal is it?... Wink Wink

we have to accept there is a need fo things like this  its usually to do with nothing in particular.......anyway... so let them have their special boys clubs or womens groups...why does it bother so many people...?????????
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Reply #342 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:29am
 
cods wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 12:33pm:
Gnads wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:36am:
cods wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:41am:
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 9:29am:
Aboriginal men (presumably from the correct tribal grouping) are still allowed to climb.

No women allowed of course. And no white people.



thats their business fd......they have many ideas that exclude one or the other....

I have been watching Total Control on ABC Sat night..

last night  the Aboriginal senator [Deborah Mailman]was taken by an aged aunt to a special place for women......I dont know where this was filmed  but it was somewhere remote and rather beautiful and eerie....we only got glimpses of the place...sadly I would have loved to have seen the whole.... possibly the crew filming made that impossible.....

for a moment fd I could understand the awe they hold these places in......they really are quite amazing.....and in the scheme of things   we cant compete in any way with  these epic structures.


A fictional TV show?  Roll Eyes



sure it is   but the scenery I am talking about wasnt.. it was the real thing....

https://theculturetrip.com/pacific/australia/articles/11-historic-indigenous-aus...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-14/outback-winton-total-control-television-s...


far Nth Qld....is all they tell us....

I thought it was awesome  and I hate that word.


Mossman Gorge is considered Far Nth QLD .... in the Wet Tropics.

Winton is far western/central QLD.
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Tried to walk into a room in Parliment House today.
I was banned from entering.
Told it was for Politicians only and special people with lanyards.

That's Racist!  Angry
Secret Political business.  Roll Eyes
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the natives do not want racist uninitiated people defiling their place of worship ..


You don't get it. They don't want women or white people up there. And you only make these excuses for them because you think Aborigines are inferior to you.

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and who could blame them , and for women ,

they are open to spiritual attack from demonic astral beings


LOL, so all you have to do is trot out some idiotic quasi-spiritual gobblydygook and you can justify discarding every principle our society is based on.

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of all colours fd all colour  not just white....which you have repeated mentioned...


Black men are allowed to climb the rock cods. White people and women are not. Simple statement of fact. I am not incorrect merely because I fail to mention that they also ban the Japs.

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and women are not allowed to go to a lot of places in aboriginal lore


Your point is? That all Aborigines are sexist, but we must tolerate their sexism on account of their "noble savage" inferiority and their inability to live up to modern standards?

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would I be allowed to go into a national park and cut down a TREE.no I wouldnt! and neither would anyone else.....if that tree was sick and needed to be removed then someone would be allowed to get around the law.. and remove it...


But for Ayers rock, it would depend on your gender and the colour of your skin.

i Quote:
ts the same in this case   if the need is there then aboriginal men may climb the rock...


What need? They go up there because they want to.

Not sure what you think National Parks are for, but removing sick, dying trees would undermine their purpose.

What "maintenance" do you think needs to be done on top of a bare rock?
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Reply #345 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:37am
 
Setanta wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:30pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:23pm:
I understand what you are saying and I agree with such in many things of the world.

But no. I'm not alone in this.
Later I found that 'others' (both sexes) have experienced similar. Many have come away from that place and into ill luck, so to speak - some minor, some worse than I experienced.
Not too dissimilar to people having heart attacks and falling off Uluru - to put into perspective.

...but with Hanging Rock, I just felt at the top of it, that my life had become forfeited. I took a photo for a couple up there and after returning the camera they asked "Are you ok?" Apparently I was sweating profusely, like a cold sweat.
Look into it. I'm not the only one who 'caught the curse' there.


Because they are doing the same thing? Pattern matching anything that they saw as "bad" to the place? I bet every one of them was already primed by the story and therefore it became the focal point for their failures. No-one likes to admit their failure.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. Think about it. Why would "one" placed be cursed? Ever been to Babinda? Perhaps it's cursed too? Perhaps people want to believe in shyte and pattern match when it goes along with what they want.


I've been to Babinda 100's of times .... never had a nooky there ... nothing bad ever happened as a result of going there ..... if your inferring about the Devils Pool?
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freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:31am:
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you dont get it freediver ,

the natives do not want racist uninitiated people defiling their place of worship ..


You don't get it. They don't want women or white people up there. And you only make these excuses for them because you think Aborigines are inferior to you.

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and who could blame them , and for women ,

they are open to spiritual attack from demonic astral beings


LOL, so all you have to do is trot out some idiotic quasi-spiritual gobblydygook and you can justify discarding every principle our society is based on.



I have explained the spiritual reasons and you ridicule and poke foolishly because you are uninitiated and people like you are the reason why ULURU is now closed to people like you

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Setanta wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:36pm:
As I mentioned, Google Babinda, then Black Mountain (Kalkajaka). Australia is full of evil places, or it's not. If it is then I'd have to wonder why Europe is not full of evil places or anywhere else.



Been to Black Mountain too.... wasn't stupid enough to go climbing the large basalt blocks that it comprises of ..... death by misadventure I believe, not cursed.
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What need? They go up there because they want to.

Not sure what you think National Parks are for, but removing sick, dying trees would undermine their purpose.

What "maintenance" do you think needs to be done on top of a bare rock?


spiritual cleansing rituals and ceremonies ..

churches have ceremonies as well yes , yet you are uninitiated and therefore ignorant of spiritual matters

hence your frustrations and anger ..
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you dont get it freediver ,

the natives do not want racist uninitiated people defiling their place of worship ..


You don't get it. They don't want women or white people up there. And you only make these excuses for them because you think Aborigines are inferior to you.

Quote:
and who could blame them , and for women ,

they are open to spiritual attack from demonic astral beings


LOL, so all you have to do is trot out some idiotic quasi-spiritual gobblydygook and you can justify discarding every principle our society is based on.

Quote:
of all colours fd all colour  not just white....which you have repeated mentioned...


Black men are allowed to climb the rock cods. White people and women are not. Simple statement of fact. I am not incorrect merely because I fail to mention that they also ban the Japs.

Quote:
and women are not allowed to go to a lot of places in aboriginal lore


Your point is? That all Aborigines are sexist, but we must tolerate their sexism on account of their "noble savage" inferiority and their inability to live up to modern standards?

Quote:
would I be allowed to go into a national park and cut down a TREE.no I wouldnt! and neither would anyone else.....if that tree was sick and needed to be removed then someone would be allowed to get around the law.. and remove it...


But for Ayers rock, it would depend on your gender and the colour of your skin.

i Quote:
ts the same in this case   if the need is there then aboriginal men may climb the rock...


What need? They go up there because they want to.

Not sure what you think National Parks are for, but removing sick, dying trees would undermine their purpose.

What "maintenance" do you think needs to be done on top of a bare rock?



you sound just like aussie fd....you will twist it to make senses to you and justify what you claim..

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

somewhere the govt or someone has given this group of people the power to make a change to Uluru..


it really isnt much different to you or anyone being given the right to protect your church or monument as you see fit....

I am surprised you havent chained yourself to the sign posts   in protest fd.....it seem to have affected you badly... Sad
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Reply #350 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:44am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:40am:
freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:31am:
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you dont get it freediver ,

the natives do not want racist uninitiated people defiling their place of worship ..


You don't get it. They don't want women or white people up there. And you only make these excuses for them because you think Aborigines are inferior to you.

Quote:
and who could blame them , and for women ,

they are open to spiritual attack from demonic astral beings


LOL, so all you have to do is trot out some idiotic quasi-spiritual gobblydygook and you can justify discarding every principle our society is based on.



I have explained the spiritual reasons and you ridicule and poke foolishly because you are uninitiated and people like you are the reason why ULURU is now closed to people like you

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11641628-3x2-700x467.jpg


Explaining that you have these idiotic "spiritual" beliefs about women being inferior is not the same as justifying the government discarding separation of church and state to impose your racist, sexist views on other people.
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Raven wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:53pm:
Hands up who supports the government's upcoming religious discrimination bill.

What we have here is a group of Australians exercising their religious beliefs. If you don't like it too f.ucking bad. Contact your local member and demand they vote against the bill.


It is a ridiculous Bill that the terminally offended will use to litigate against anyone causing what they deem offensive about their so called religion.

In other words they will be untouchable & beyond criticism.

It's happening in other areas too.
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Reply #352 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:47am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:44am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:40am:
freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:31am:
Quote:
you dont get it freediver ,

the natives do not want racist uninitiated people defiling their place of worship ..


You don't get it. They don't want women or white people up there. And you only make these excuses for them because you think Aborigines are inferior to you.

Quote:
and who could blame them , and for women ,

they are open to spiritual attack from demonic astral beings


LOL, so all you have to do is trot out some idiotic quasi-spiritual gobblydygook and you can justify discarding every principle our society is based on.



I have explained the spiritual reasons and you ridicule and poke foolishly because you are uninitiated and people like you are the reason why ULURU is now closed to people like you

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11641628-3x2-700x467.jpg


Explaining that you have these idiotic "spiritual" beliefs about women being inferior is not the same as justifying the government discarding separation of church and state to impose your racist, sexist views on other people.


I never said women were inferior , so you simply lie here

this is another manifestation of your frustration and anger

women are vulnerable to demonic spiritual attack and that is why men protect ,

the same reason why some native tribes forbid women playing the didge

because they can open themselves up to spiritual possession

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Reply #353 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:47am
 
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:44am:
freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:31am:
Quote:
you dont get it freediver ,

the natives do not want racist uninitiated people defiling their place of worship ..


You don't get it. They don't want women or white people up there. And you only make these excuses for them because you think Aborigines are inferior to you.

Quote:
and who could blame them , and for women ,

they are open to spiritual attack from demonic astral beings


LOL, so all you have to do is trot out some idiotic quasi-spiritual gobblydygook and you can justify discarding every principle our society is based on.

Quote:
of all colours fd all colour  not just white....which you have repeated mentioned...


Black men are allowed to climb the rock cods. White people and women are not. Simple statement of fact. I am not incorrect merely because I fail to mention that they also ban the Japs.

Quote:
and women are not allowed to go to a lot of places in aboriginal lore


Your point is? That all Aborigines are sexist, but we must tolerate their sexism on account of their "noble savage" inferiority and their inability to live up to modern standards?

Quote:
would I be allowed to go into a national park and cut down a TREE.no I wouldnt! and neither would anyone else.....if that tree was sick and needed to be removed then someone would be allowed to get around the law.. and remove it...


But for Ayers rock, it would depend on your gender and the colour of your skin.

i Quote:
ts the same in this case   if the need is there then aboriginal men may climb the rock...


What need? They go up there because they want to.

Not sure what you think National Parks are for, but removing sick, dying trees would undermine their purpose.

What "maintenance" do you think needs to be done on top of a bare rock?



you sound just like aussie fd....you will twist it to make senses to you and justify what you claim..

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

somewhere the govt or someone has given this group of people the power to make a change to Uluru..


it really isnt much different to you or anyone being given the right to protect your church or monument as you see fit....

I am surprised you havent chained yourself to the sign posts   in protest fd.....it seem to have affected you badly... Sad


So you cannot see any fundamental difference between a mountain and a church?

If me and a bunch of old white men wanted to ban all women and black people from Mt Kosciosko so we could go up there every new years eve for some spiritual refreshments without having to worry about tampons and VB cans, would you be reassuring all the hysterical protestors that it is really no different to building a church?

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I never said women were inferior , so you simply lie here


You said they were more open to demonic attack. Are you worried about their guts falling out?
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Reply #354 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:49am
 
I look back on this post, which FD started years ago, and see the same characters yelling their same prejudices and feel somewhat happy that I chose to stop arguing with idiots.
When FD first posted his warnings about this he was accused of being alarmist, lying, exaggerating etc.
He was not, he was pretty much spot on the money.
Yet still we have the same closed minded people who initially challenged his assertions as wrong, seeking to justify why they may have been a bit right technically, but are still wrong morally, because it's racist, or insensitive or sexist, WHATEVER!
It is weird living in a post fact world, where opinions are all so many care about.
It seems if you really, really are passionate about something, and you think you are really really good, then facts don't matter.
Maybe facts are just a quasi social/cultural concept?

I did notice none who howled down FD's original post from 2017, actually acknowledged their mistake.
It seems these people are not nearly as "big" as they pretend to be.

Maybe try being a little less certain about stuff, in the end I promise you will look smarter.
Be kind to each other as much as you can muster. Adios.
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freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:47am:
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I never said women were inferior , so you simply lie here


You said they were more open to demonic attack. Are you worried about their guts falling out?



so you admit you lied , I never said women were inferior , in fact

women are the perfect unmutated human being .

X chromosome female

your frustrations and anger are on display , which is a direct result of racist hateful people like you, being banned from ULURU..

spiritual people do not want you there and so now you are banned .

read the sign .

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Reply #356 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:54am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:14am:
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:13am:
freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 8:45am:
They are literally banning all women and all non-Aboriginal men from Ayers rock. You have repeatedly contradicted this claim cods, but you never follow through. You are confused, and will remain confused until you attempt to explain what you are on about.

Now if it was white men imposing a racist, sexist government policy, you would see it for what it is, but when black men do it you can only imagine that criticism of it must be based on some kind of complex.

Some people only recognise racism if there is a swastika on it to tell them how they should feel.



of all colours fd all colour  not just white....which you have repeated mentioned...


and women are not allowed to go to a lot of places in aboriginal lore.....get over it....the rock is a symbol of spirituality to aboriginals....for gods sakes fd will they shoot you if you dare to ignore the sign and climb the rock??????....

would I be allowed to go into a national park and cut down a TREE.no I wouldnt! and neither would anyone else.....if that tree was sick and needed to be removed then someone would be allowed to get around the law.. and remove it...

its the same in this case   if the need is there then aboriginal men may climb the rock...


its only racism in your mind..


also Cods,

there are many places that native men are NOT ALLOWED

research " secret womens business " if any are in doubt


Grin Hindmarsh Island Syndrome ey?  Grin

Secret womens business .... another term made up by whitey.
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Reply #357 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 10:33am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:54am:
freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:47am:
Quote:
I never said women were inferior , so you simply lie here


You said they were more open to demonic attack. Are you worried about their guts falling out?



so you admit you lied , I never said women were inferior , in fact

women are the perfect unmutated human being .

X chromosome female

your frustrations and anger are on display , which is a direct result of racist hateful people like you, being banned from ULURU..

spiritual people do not want you there and so now you are banned .

read the sign .

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11641628-3x2-700x467.jpg


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Reply #358 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 10:35am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:47am:
freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:44am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:40am:
freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:31am:
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you dont get it freediver ,

the natives do not want racist uninitiated people defiling their place of worship ..


You don't get it. They don't want women or white people up there. And you only make these excuses for them because you think Aborigines are inferior to you.

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and who could blame them , and for women ,

they are open to spiritual attack from demonic astral beings


LOL, so all you have to do is trot out some idiotic quasi-spiritual gobblydygook and you can justify discarding every principle our society is based on.



I have explained the spiritual reasons and you ridicule and poke foolishly because you are uninitiated and people like you are the reason why ULURU is now closed to people like you

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11641628-3x2-700x467.jpg


Explaining that you have these idiotic "spiritual" beliefs about women being inferior is not the same as justifying the government discarding separation of church and state to impose your racist, sexist views on other people.


I never said women were inferior , so you simply lie here

this is another manifestation of your frustration and anger

women are vulnerable to demonic spiritual attack and that is why men protect ,

the same reason why some native tribes forbid women playing the didge

because they can open themselves up to spiritual possession




They must have picked those ideas up from the Muslim teachers...
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Reply #359 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 10:37am
 
"why ULURU is now closed to people like you "

So this 'closure' isn't a closure at all, just a selective closure?  What about the 'ancient law' that forbids anyone from climbing it?

Thanks for your racist and sexist confession..   Cool

FREE OUR ROCK NOW!
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Reply #360 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 10:45am
 
'Ere da link to dat Cap'n Cook Wharte Man Uluru-Kata Tjuta Board of Management, bros and sis's - start yo' protest.. tell 'em bastard what you really think, mek 'im loud an' clear:-

https://www.directory.gov.au/portfolios/environment-and-energy/director-national...


.. ain't I a poo-stirring bastard?....
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Reply #361 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 10:49am
 
"The path of the climb is associated with important Mala ceremonies. Anangu believe that during the time when the world was being formed, the Uluru climb was the traditional route taken by Mala men when they arrived at Uluru."

Yup - that's discrimination right there, bro... say - any Mala men left?  No women, eh?

This just gets lower and lower all the time.... racism, discrimination, sexism...... one rule for all...
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Reply #362 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 3:02pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:49am:
I look back on this post, which FD started years ago, and see the same characters yelling their same prejudices and feel somewhat happy that I chose to stop arguing with idiots.
When FD first posted his warnings about this he was accused of being alarmist, lying, exaggerating etc.
He was not, he was pretty much spot on the money.
Yet still we have the same closed minded people who initially challenged his assertions as wrong, seeking to justify why they may have been a bit right technically, but are still wrong morally, because it's racist, or insensitive or sexist, WHATEVER!
It is weird living in a post fact world, where opinions are all so many care about.
It seems if you really, really are passionate about something, and you think you are really really good, then facts don't matter.
Maybe facts are just a quasi social/cultural concept?

I did notice none who howled down FD's original post from 2017, actually acknowledged their mistake.
It seems these people are not nearly as "big" as they pretend to be.

Maybe try being a little less certain about stuff, in the end I promise you will look smarter.
Be kind to each other as much as you can muster. Adios.


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Reply #363 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 3:05pm
 
About Ayers Rock,yo u wanted it...you've got it

Just don't start f.......g  whingeing when the tourists dry up and all that lovely money  chokes to a trickle

Just wish you'd get over feeling so f........g entitled

You migrated from Indonesia so don't bang on about being the original inhabitants

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Reply #364 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 3:14pm
 
red baron wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 3:05pm:
About Ayers Rock,yo u wanted it...you've got it

Just don't start f.......g  whingeing when the tourists dry up and all that lovely money  chokes to a trickle

Just wish you'd get over feeling so f........g entitled

You migrated from Indonesia so don't bang on about being the original inhabitants



You want the PRECIOUS don't you Whitey
Wink
Well whats your Poison then, here in the most virulent Region of the world?
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Reply #365 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 3:44pm
 
Stuff NZ from the comments section- Uluru

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What some people posting don't seem to understand that until the early '80s there were no aborigines living in the area. They moved into the area to occupy the workers camp that was constructed when the Yulara resort was being built and too over that camp which is very close to the camp site where Azaria was taken from. I lived in Yulara for a few years and quite frankly the 'locals' really don't care whether you climb or not. I myself didn't climb 'the Rock' , not out of some respect for it or a culture but because I couldn't be bothered. Don't believe all you hear from the 'anti-climbing brigade'. The locals genuinely don't care if you climb or not.
Sadly now though this will probably see the demise of Yulara resort and the jobs that it provides for Aborigines.

Do-gooder twat

'until the early '80s there were no aborigines living in the area.'

So those petroglyphs around Uluru just drew themselves?

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Don't take my word for it, as the likes of Peter Severin ( now at Curtin Springs) or Jim Cotterell , now living in Alice. Peter was the one who put the chain up on 'the Rock'. When he arrived there in the 40s there were no Aboriginals for hundreds of Kms in either direction, likewise with Jim. The current mob of "" Traditional Owners"" only turned up on the scene when the workers camp was abandoned after Yulara was built. Facts- pretty hard to argue with.
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Reply #366 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 3:53pm
 
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Why we are banning tourists from climbing Uluru

The Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park board of management has announced that tourists will be banned from climbing Uluru from 2019. The climb has always been discouraged by the park’s Traditional Owners (the Anangu people) but a number of tourists continued to climb the rock on a daily basis. Below, in English and Indigenous language, Sammy Wilson, chairman of the park board, explains why his people have decided to ban the climb outright.

THE Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park Board has announced tourists will be banned from climbing Uluru, an activity long considered disrespectful by the region’s traditional owners.

Anangu have always held this place of Law. Other people have found it hard to understand what this means; they can’t see it. But for Anangu it is indisputable. So this climb issue has been widely discussed, including by many who have long since passed away. More recently people have come together to focus on it again and it was decided to take it to a broader group of Anangu. They declared it should be closed. This is a sacred place restricted by law.

It’s not just at board meetings that we discussed this but it’s been talked about over many a camp fire, out hunting, waiting for the kangaroo to cook, they’ve always talked about it.

The climb is a men’s sacred area. The men have closed it. It has cultural significance that includes certain restrictions and so this is as much as we can say. If you ask, you know they can’t tell you, except to say it has been closed for cultural reasons.

What does this mean? You know it can be hard to understand – what is cultural law? Which one are you talking about? It exists; both historically and today. Tjukurpa includes everything: the trees; grasses; landforms; hills; rocks and all.

You have to think in these terms; to understand that country has meaning that needs to be respected. If you walk around here you will learn this and understand. If you climb you won’t be able to. What are you learning? This is why Tjukurpa exists. We can’t control everything you do but if you walk around here you will start to understand us.
Tourists have previously used a chain to climb Uluru, but from 2019 the climb will be banned.

Some people, in tourism and government for example, might have been saying we need to keep it open but it’s not their law that lies in this land. It is an extremely important place, not a playground or theme park like Disneyland. We want you to come, hear us and learn. We’ve been thinking about this for a very long time.

We work on the principle of mutual obligation, of working together, but this requires understanding and acceptance of the climb closure because of the sacred nature of this place. If I travel to another country and there is a sacred site, an area of restricted access, I don’t enter or climb it, I respect it. It is the same here for Anangu. We welcome tourists here. We are not stopping tourism, just this activity.

On tour with us, tourists talk about it. They often ask why people are still climbing and I always reply, ‘things might change…’ They ask, ‘why don’t they close it?’ I feel for them and usually say that change is coming. Some people come wanting to climb and perhaps do so before coming on tour with us. They then wish they hadn’t and want to know why it hasn’t already been closed. But it’s about teaching people to understand and come to their own realisation about it. We’re always having these conversations with tourists.

And now that the majority of people have come to understand us, if you don’t mind, we will close it! After much discussion, we’ve decided it’s time.

Visitors needn’t be worrying there will be nothing for them with the climb closed because there is so much else besides that in the culture here. It’s not just inside the park and if we have the right support to take tourists outside it will benefit everyone. People might say there is no one living on the homelands but they hold good potential for tourists. We want support from the government to hear what we need and help us. We have a lot to offer in this country. There are so many other smaller places that still have cultural significance that we can share publicly. So instead of tourists feeling disappointed in what they can do here they can experience the homelands with Anangu and really enjoy the fact that they learnt so much more about culture.

Whitefellas see the land in economic terms where Anangu see it as Tjukurpa. If the Tjukurpa is gone so is everything. We want to hold on to our culture. If we don’t it could disappear completely in another 50 or 100 years. We have to be strong to avoid this. The government needs to respect what we are saying about our culture in the same way it expects us to abide by its laws. It doesn’t work with money. Money is transient, it comes and goes like the wind. In Anangu culture Tjukurpa is ever lasting.

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Years ago, Anangu went to work on the stations. They were working for station managers who wanted to mark the boundaries of their properties at a time when Anangu were living in the bush. Anangu were the ones who built the fences as boundaries to accord with whitefella law, to protect animal stock. It was Anangu labour that created the very thing that excluded them from their own land. This was impossible to fathom for us! Why have we built these fences that lock us out? I was the one that did it! I built a fence for that person who doesn’t want anything to do with me and now I’m on the outside. This is just one example of our situation today.

You might also think of it in terms of what would happen if I started making and selling coca cola here without a license. The coca cola company would probably not allow it and I’d have to close it in order to avoid being taken to court. This is something similar for Anangu.

A long time ago they brought one of the boulders from the Devil’s Marbles to Alice Springs. From the time they brought it down Anangu kept trying to tell people it shouldn’t have been brought here. They talked about it for so long that many people had passed away in the meantime before their concerns were understood and it was returned. People had finally understood the Anangu perspective.

That’s the same as here. We’ve talked about it for so long and now we’re able to close the climb. It’s about protection through combining two systems, the government and Anangu. Anangu have a governing system but the whitefella government has been acting in a way that breaches our laws. Please don’t break our law, we need to be united and respect both.

Over the years Anangu have felt a sense of intimidation, as if someone is holding a gun to our heads to keep it open. Please don’t hold us to ransom…. This decision is for both Anangu and non-Anangu together to feel proud about; to realise, of course it’s the right thing to close the ‘playground’.

The land has law and culture. We welcome tourists here. Closing the climb is not something to feel upset about but a cause for celebration.

Let’s come together; let’s close it together.

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So, where does it say that Men are still allowed to climb Uluru, FD?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #368 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 3:58pm
 
It's time to ban the abbos from collecting the dole.

They have more than enough land to live on and peruse their primitive ways.

Leave them to their primitive survival methods.

Who knows, in a few millennium they might even learn how to lash a rock to a stick.

Or perhaps learn what farming, housing and domestication of animals is.

Probably not
They reached their apex 40,000 years ago when they wiped out the first AUSTRALIANS.

It's been a downhill run since then.

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Reply #369 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:02pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 3:55pm:
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Years ago, Anangu went to work on the stations. They were working for station managers who wanted to mark the boundaries of their properties at a time when Anangu were living in the bush. Anangu were the ones who built the fences as boundaries to accord with whitefella law, to protect animal stock. It was Anangu labour that created the very thing that excluded them from their own land. This was impossible to fathom for us! Why have we built these fences that lock us out? I was the one that did it! I built a fence for that person who doesn’t want anything to do with me and now I’m on the outside. This is just one example of our situation today.

You might also think of it in terms of what would happen if I started making and selling coca cola here without a license. The coca cola company would probably not allow it and I’d have to close it in order to avoid being taken to court. This is something similar for Anangu.

A long time ago they brought one of the boulders from the Devil’s Marbles to Alice Springs. From the time they brought it down Anangu kept trying to tell people it shouldn’t have been brought here. They talked about it for so long that many people had passed away in the meantime before their concerns were understood and it was returned. People had finally understood the Anangu perspective.

That’s the same as here. We’ve talked about it for so long and now we’re able to close the climb. It’s about protection through combining two systems, the government and Anangu. Anangu have a governing system but the whitefella government has been acting in a way that breaches our laws. Please don’t break our law, we need to be united and respect both.

Over the years Anangu have felt a sense of intimidation, as if someone is holding a gun to our heads to keep it open. Please don’t hold us to ransom…. This decision is for both Anangu and non-Anangu together to feel proud about; to realise, of course it’s the right thing to close the ‘playground’.

The land has law and culture. We welcome tourists here. Closing the climb is not something to feel upset about but a cause for celebration.

Let’s come together; let’s close it together.

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So, where does it say that Men are still allowed to climb Uluru, FD?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Who's going to stop them?
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Reply #370 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:05pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 3:58pm:
It's time to ban the abbos from collecting the dole.

They have more than enough land to live on and peruse their primitive ways.

Leave them to their primitive survival methods.

Who knows, in a few millennium they might even learn how to lash a rock to a stick.

Or perhaps learn what farming, housing and domestication of animals is.

Probably not
They reached their apex 40,000 years ago when they wiped out the first AUSTRALIANS.

It's been a downhill run since then.

Let them rot on their stolen land

In 10 years they'll be asking national parks to put the walking chain back up Vaulkie. When they can't get jobs at the resort or tourist $ kickbacks. In Zimbabwe they asked the white farmers to come back after murdering thousands of them. Now Zimbabwe is starving. Natives aren't the smartest tools in the shed.
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Reply #371 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:09pm
 
YMr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:05pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 3:58pm:
It's time to ban the abbos from collecting the dole.

They have more than enough land to live on and peruse their primitive ways.

Leave them to their primitive survival methods.

Who knows, in a few millennium they might even learn how to lash a rock to a stick.

Or perhaps learn what farming, housing and domestication of animals is.

Probably not
They reached their apex 40,000 years ago when they wiped out the first AUSTRALIANS.

It's been a downhill run since then.

Let them rot on their stolen land

In 10 years they'll be asking national parks to put the walking chain back up Vaulkie. When they can't get jobs at the resort or tourist $ kickbacks. In Zimbabwe they asked the white farmers to come back after murdering thousands of them. Now Zimbabwe is starving. Natives aren't the smartest tools in the shed.


Neither are the nutcases who play sychophant to them.
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Reply #372 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:18pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:09pm:
YMr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:05pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 3:58pm:
It's time to ban the abbos from collecting the dole.

They have more than enough land to live on and peruse their primitive ways.

Leave them to their primitive survival methods.

Who knows, in a few millennium they might even learn how to lash a rock to a stick.

Or perhaps learn what farming, housing and domestication of animals is.

Probably not
They reached their apex 40,000 years ago when they wiped out the first AUSTRALIANS.

It's been a downhill run since then.

Let them rot on their stolen land

In 10 years they'll be asking national parks to put the walking chain back up Vaulkie. When they can't get jobs at the resort or tourist $ kickbacks. In Zimbabwe they asked the white farmers to come back after murdering thousands of them. Now Zimbabwe is starving. Natives aren't the smartest tools in the shed.


Neither are the nutcases who play sychophant to them.

I like this stuff personally. Seeing do-gooders and radical abos get proven wrong floats my boat. Like Adam Goodes for instance. His doco has been largely ignored by mainstream Australia and he soon will be forgotten. They haven't learnt yet that you don't mess with the common man. If you win the crowd in the Colosseum (general society) things turn out good. But if the ordinary working man isn't behind something (Uluru lockout) there's going to be consequences.
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Reply #373 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:30pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:09pm:
YMr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:05pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 3:58pm:
It's time to ban the abbos from collecting the dole.

They have more than enough land to live on and peruse their primitive ways.

Leave them to their primitive survival methods.

Who knows, in a few millennium they might even learn how to lash a rock to a stick.

Or perhaps learn what farming, housing and domestication of animals is.

Probably not
They reached their apex 40,000 years ago when they wiped out the first AUSTRALIANS.

It's been a downhill run since then.

Let them rot on their stolen land

In 10 years they'll be asking national parks to put the walking chain back up Vaulkie. When they can't get jobs at the resort or tourist $ kickbacks. In Zimbabwe they asked the white farmers to come back after murdering thousands of them. Now Zimbabwe is starving. Natives aren't the smartest tools in the shed.


Neither are the nutcases who play sychophant to them.

I like this stuff personally. Seeing do-gooders and radical abos get proven wrong floats my boat. Like Adam Goodes for instance. His doco has been largely ignored by mainstream Australia and he soon will be forgotten. They haven't learnt yet that you don't mess with the common man. If you win the crowd in the Colosseum (general society) things turn out good. But if the ordinary working man isn't behind something (Uluru lockout) there's going to be consequences. 



using  that logic hammer ...it will soon be forgotten one could actually climb the rock Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

it isnt a matter of  life or death you know...

you can still camp there and admire take happy snaps...

I would be surprised if tourists are allowed to climb all over Mt Rushmore.. Roll Eyes
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Reply #374 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:47pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:30pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:09pm:
YMr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:05pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 3:58pm:
It's time to ban the abbos from collecting the dole.

They have more than enough land to live on and peruse their primitive ways.

Leave them to their primitive survival methods.

Who knows, in a few millennium they might even learn how to lash a rock to a stick.

Or perhaps learn what farming, housing and domestication of animals is.

Probably not
They reached their apex 40,000 years ago when they wiped out the first AUSTRALIANS.

It's been a downhill run since then.

Let them rot on their stolen land

In 10 years they'll be asking national parks to put the walking chain back up Vaulkie. When they can't get jobs at the resort or tourist $ kickbacks. In Zimbabwe they asked the white farmers to come back after murdering thousands of them. Now Zimbabwe is starving. Natives aren't the smartest tools in the shed.


Neither are the nutcases who play sychophant to them.

I like this stuff personally. Seeing do-gooders and radical abos get proven wrong floats my boat. Like Adam Goodes for instance. His doco has been largely ignored by mainstream Australia and he soon will be forgotten. They haven't learnt yet that you don't mess with the common man. If you win the crowd in the Colosseum (general society) things turn out good. But if the ordinary working man isn't behind something (Uluru lockout) there's going to be consequences. 



using  that logic hammer ...it will soon be forgotten one could actually climb the rock Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

it isnt a matter of  life or death you know...

you can still camp there and admire take happy snaps...

I would be surprised if tourists are allowed to climb all over Mt Rushmore.. Roll Eyes

It's impossible to climb over Mt Rushmore cods unless you want to plummet hundreds of feet to your death. The main attraction has always been the view from the top. It's just a fact. With that gone the future tourism bottom line has become very debatable. It's an economic world. Somebody is going to be whinging. just you see.
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Reply #375 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:53pm
 
if a person wanted to climb it they would find a way....look at Mt Cook in NZ....idiots...

I believe they once climbed the Pyramids...but just body contact was enough to cause damage...

we are more aware today...I think we need to grow up and realise it isnt the end of the world....perhaps those who need to can arrange a helicopter flight over it to see the view...or a balloon...... its already been said hallmer most tourists go there to see the amazing sunsets... that wont change
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Reply #376 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 5:07pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:30pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:09pm:
YMr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:05pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 3:58pm:
It's time to ban the abbos from collecting the dole.

They have more than enough land to live on and peruse their primitive ways.

Leave them to their primitive survival methods.

Who knows, in a few millennium they might even learn how to lash a rock to a stick.

Or perhaps learn what farming, housing and domestication of animals is.

Probably not
They reached their apex 40,000 years ago when they wiped out the first AUSTRALIANS.

It's been a downhill run since then.

Let them rot on their stolen land

In 10 years they'll be asking national parks to put the walking chain back up Vaulkie. When they can't get jobs at the resort or tourist $ kickbacks. In Zimbabwe they asked the white farmers to come back after murdering thousands of them. Now Zimbabwe is starving. Natives aren't the smartest tools in the shed.


Neither are the nutcases who play sychophant to them.

I like this stuff personally. Seeing do-gooders and radical abos get proven wrong floats my boat. Like Adam Goodes for instance. His doco has been largely ignored by mainstream Australia and he soon will be forgotten. They haven't learnt yet that you don't mess with the common man. If you win the crowd in the Colosseum (general society) things turn out good. But if the ordinary working man isn't behind something (Uluru lockout) there's going to be consequences. 



using  that logic hammer ...it will soon be forgotten one could actually climb the rock Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

it isnt a matter of  life or death you know...

you can still camp there and admire take happy snaps...

I would be surprised if tourists are allowed to climb all over Mt Rushmore.. Roll Eyes


Grin Have you seen Mt. Rushmore? No comparison.

Besides it's man made as well.

Ayres Rock is not.
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Reply #377 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 5:18pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:53pm:
if a person wanted to climb it they would find a way....look at Mt Cook in NZ....idiots...

I believe they once climbed the Pyramids...but just body contact was enough to cause damage...

we are more aware today...I think we need to grow up and realise it isnt the end of the world....perhaps those who need to can arrange a helicopter flight over it to see the view...or a balloon...... its already been said hallmer most tourists go there to see the amazing sunsets... that wont change

Well you can go up into the statue of liberty and the seppos don't care.
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Reply #378 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 5:21pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:53pm:
if a person wanted to climb it they would find a way....look at Mt Cook in NZ....idiots...

I believe they once climbed the Pyramids...but just body contact was enough to cause damage...

we are more aware today...I think we need to grow up and realise it isnt the end of the world....perhaps those who need to can arrange a helicopter flight over it to see the view...or a balloon...... its already been said hallmer most tourists go there to see the amazing sunsets... that wont change

I'm just trying to work out why all the other billions of years the abos weren't around is somehow neglected? The universe  made Ayers rock. Not abos. They have no more right to claim it than we do cods. let the people enjoy it. It's all ours while we are in existence.
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Reply #379 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 5:38pm
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:30pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:09pm:
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Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 3:58pm:
It's time to ban the abbos from collecting the dole.

They have more than enough land to live on and peruse their primitive ways.

Leave them to their primitive survival methods.

Who knows, in a few millennium they might even learn how to lash a rock to a stick.

Or perhaps learn what farming, housing and domestication of animals is.

Probably not
They reached their apex 40,000 years ago when they wiped out the first AUSTRALIANS.

It's been a downhill run since then.

Let them rot on their stolen land

In 10 years they'll be asking national parks to put the walking chain back up Vaulkie. When they can't get jobs at the resort or tourist $ kickbacks. In Zimbabwe they asked the white farmers to come back after murdering thousands of them. Now Zimbabwe is starving. Natives aren't the smartest tools in the shed.


Neither are the nutcases who play sychophant to them.

I like this stuff personally. Seeing do-gooders and radical abos get proven wrong floats my boat. Like Adam Goodes for instance. His doco has been largely ignored by mainstream Australia and he soon will be forgotten. They haven't learnt yet that you don't mess with the common man. If you win the crowd in the Colosseum (general society) things turn out good. But if the ordinary working man isn't behind something (Uluru lockout) there's going to be consequences. 



using  that logic hammer ...it will soon be forgotten one could actually climb the rock Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

it isnt a matter of  life or death you know...

you can still camp there and admire take happy snaps...

I would be surprised if tourists are allowed to climb all over Mt Rushmore.. Roll Eyes


Grin Have you seen Mt. Rushmore? No comparison.

Besides it's man made as well.

Ayres Rock is not.



haha.. no I dont think so dear..unless your thinking of the sculptors.. Wink Wink
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Who was Adam goodies?
Didn't they have a tv show years ago?

The goodies?
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Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:53pm:
if a person wanted to climb it they would find a way....look at Mt Cook in NZ....idiots...

I believe they once climbed the Pyramids...but just body contact was enough to cause damage...

we are more aware today...I think we need to grow up and realise it isnt the end of the world....perhaps those who need to can arrange a helicopter flight over it to see the view...or a balloon...... its already been said hallmer most tourists go there to see the amazing sunsets... that wont change

I'm just trying to work out why all the other billions of years the abos weren't around is somehow neglected? The universe  made Ayers rock. Not abos. They have no more right to claim it than we do cods. let the people enjoy it. It's all ours while we are in existence.


you can still enjoy it hammer.... no one is stopping you going there....you can go and see it any time.....

only 15% of visitors ignored the do not climb signs...and still went ahead....... on the one hand we are sick to death of being held to ransom by a small minority group.......yet here you are claiming this small minority should win the day..

it isnt just aboriginals making this decision... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 5:18pm:
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:53pm:
if a person wanted to climb it they would find a way....look at Mt Cook in NZ....idiots...

I believe they once climbed the Pyramids...but just body contact was enough to cause damage...

we are more aware today...I think we need to grow up and realise it isnt the end of the world....perhaps those who need to can arrange a helicopter flight over it to see the view...or a balloon...... its already been said hallmer most tourists go there to see the amazing sunsets... that wont change

Well you can go up into the statue of liberty and the seppos don't care.


Actually, they do care, Hammer.  They only allow a limited number of visitors (240 per day) to climb to the crown in the statue.  They have not allowed visitors to climb to the Torch for decades.  They have made great efforts to restore and fix the various problems which shoddy workmanship created for the statue.  They have spent over 300 million dollars on the Statue.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #383 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 10:44pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 5:46pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:53pm:
if a person wanted to climb it they would find a way....look at Mt Cook in NZ....idiots...

I believe they once climbed the Pyramids...but just body contact was enough to cause damage...

we are more aware today...I think we need to grow up and realise it isnt the end of the world....perhaps those who need to can arrange a helicopter flight over it to see the view...or a balloon...... its already been said hallmer most tourists go there to see the amazing sunsets... that wont change

I'm just trying to work out why all the other billions of years the abos weren't around is somehow neglected? The universe  made Ayers rock. Not abos. They have no more right to claim it than we do cods. let the people enjoy it. It's all ours while we are in existence.


you can still enjoy it hammer.... no one is stopping you going there....you can go and see it any time.....

only 15% of visitors ignored the do not climb signs...and still went ahead....... on the one hand we are sick to death of being held to ransom by a small minority group.......yet here you are claiming this small minority should win the day..

it isnt just aboriginals making this decision... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I posted the board for you - eight out of twelve are Aboriginals..... and the rest are, of course, running dogs.... or is it running dingoes? Who TF is this 'board' anyway?  Who asked for them and who set them up and who gave them such licence?  It wasn't the other interest group - the tourists.. then there's the overall population.... of Oz....

A shadowy group of twelve made the decision..... without any accountability - they were the
'board' you see, and could do as they chose... no vote, no ifs or buts.. just Fascist control...

Hang the board and free the rock.... (yee-hah)...
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Anyway - let's get off Ayers Rock (pun, pun) -there are important things to discuss.....


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Yes, finally the rock can rest from the pitter patter of tourists feet.
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freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 7:25am:
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Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?


You believe in religious rights don't you FD?

Uluru is a sacred site to many aboriginal people. It part of their religious belief. Shouldn't that right be respected?


People should have the right to freely practice their religion. They should not have the right to make the government impose their beliefs on others. As far as I know every single tribe had a number of sacred sites within their territory. If your religious beliefs include racist, sexist exclusions from natural monuments, then respecting that is just as dangerous as respecting a Muslim's belief in raping little girls.

The only reason Ayers rock seems to have more religious significance to Aboriginal people is because of the significance that non-aboriginal people have placed on it, economically, tourism, and as Light demonstrates, many non-Aboriginals also project a spiritual significance on it. It's easy to do with a mountain, especially one poking up from a flat plain. As far as the aboriginal's are concerned, it's just another one out of thousands or millions that happened to get handed over to them. It won't make them happy, just like allowing a Christian to hang on to one page of their Bible would not make them happy.

When you say we need to respect by imposition the racist, sexist, religious beliefs of Aborigines, what you really mean is that we have to give up on them and accept that they are inferior and cannot be held to the same liberal standards as everyone else.

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Then explain why I felt that something 'bad' really bad was going to happen at a school where a Teacher was murdered? Why did I tell someone there as if to warn them - a week before it happened?


Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. You spew endless gibberish on here. Like Nostradamus, among them might be a few gems that somehow resemble an unfolding truth. Unlike Nostradamus, you don't get to delete all the incorrect predictions.


So you are against the religious discrimination bill then?
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Here's the problem. Australia has a real fear of Indigenous rights in Australia. This fear was exposed after the closure of the Uluru climb was announced.

After the decision was announced to ban the Uluru climb, there was a huge backlash from a large portion of Australia’s society. An Indigenous group had made a decision to close one climbing track in the middle of Australia and it became a national controversy.

So where does all this fear come from?

It comes from Australia’s fear of allowing true Indigenous rights and everything those rights entail. Just like the old saying, “give an inch and they’ll take a mile”. This fear was very evident around the time of the Mabo decision. Politicians, mining companies and members of the public were terrified of what real land rights (not native title) would mean to Australia. Most of all, they feared decisions being made by Aboriginal people in the interests of Aboriginal people.

The Anangu people in Uluru have achieved a form of land rights. These rights are recognised under Australian law which still does not offer full autonomy.

The thing is, you can still visit Uluru. In fact you can still do something that many Anangu people are not allowed to do. Taking a helicopter tour and viewing all areas of Uluru is something that is prohibited for most Anangu people as there are sites that are strictly men’s or women’s areas for example.

But this still this isn’t good enough for non-Indigenous Australia. This comes back to that saying, “give an inch and they’ll take a mile”. Australian’s aren’t just angry about not being able to climb. They fear what might happen next. What will be the next step that Aboriginal people take towards upholding their cultural values and protecting their land?

Basically the anger and overreaction we are witnessing is a sign of aggression to try and put Aboriginals “in their place."

Will we continue to try and hammer Aboriginals into submission, back to their so called “fringe dweller” status? Or can we create a future based on understanding and respect? Aboriginal people are the oldest surviving culture on the planet. Don’t you think there is some significance behind that?

We have far more to gain than what we have to lose.
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Reply #388 - Oct 30th, 2019 at 7:55am
 
It has nothing to do with fear of aboriginals for me.

I've climbed it and signed the book at the compass. It was a great trek. Long.....but good. Would I do it again? Probably not but walking around it is nothing to climbing....and yes I walked ALL THE WAY AROUND. That was boring as batshyte TBH.

It is more of the "us and them" mentality that gets me. We are not one with abos only. Every other race is supposed to be....but not abos.
Then there is the "we've been here longer so this is OUR land" crap. If Australians say that to a migrant Indian family then were labeled racists, ridiculed and told that "no one owns the land" yet abos seem to be immune to these lables...Why?

People dont want to "take a helicopter flight" How much does that cost ffs? Climbing is free. It is good exercise.  People want to climb. Let them. Stop playing the sacred site bullshyte. That is what gets people cranky too. I get offended at spirit believers. I dont velieve in spirits yet they push their belief onto me and adjust freedoms to suit them.
How about we abolish all religion and spirit believing because I and many others do not believe in them.
I wouldn't do that. That's why  leave them be to their own ridiculousness.



It is like the Aus Gov has these pet humans. They aren't very clever academically....and probably never will be so when one does an art piece or performance they are automatically awarded because they "made an effort" even though it was a mediocre performance. Like participation awards for non athletic people playing sport. That is not helping the cause...rather it fuels it.

Australians are allowed to be angry over this further separation and recognition of ONE different race....when were all supposed to be the same. Australians built this country, noone can deny that. WE BUILT THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD....HANDS DOWN. We did a bloody great job too, but we are slowly being locked out of it all. I've whitnessed it first hand with motorbike riding. Bushland closed down....FOR NO REASON.
The wankers on here that carry the negativity about a fact of our past are just ungrateful fkkks. Sure...be angry at the Gov. They made terrible decisions.....and still are but back off the blue collar workers. We're not all British blood that raped and pillaged as they pleased. Our families copped it just as bad as the abos. Probably worse in some cases.

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Reply #389 - Oct 30th, 2019 at 8:18am
 
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 5:38pm:
Gnads wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:30pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:09pm:
YMr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:05pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 3:58pm:
It's time to ban the abbos from collecting the dole.

They have more than enough land to live on and peruse their primitive ways.

Leave them to their primitive survival methods.

Who knows, in a few millennium they might even learn how to lash a rock to a stick.

Or perhaps learn what farming, housing and domestication of animals is.

Probably not
They reached their apex 40,000 years ago when they wiped out the first AUSTRALIANS.

It's been a downhill run since then.

Let them rot on their stolen land

In 10 years they'll be asking national parks to put the walking chain back up Vaulkie. When they can't get jobs at the resort or tourist $ kickbacks. In Zimbabwe they asked the white farmers to come back after murdering thousands of them. Now Zimbabwe is starving. Natives aren't the smartest tools in the shed.


Neither are the nutcases who play sychophant to them.

I like this stuff personally. Seeing do-gooders and radical abos get proven wrong floats my boat. Like Adam Goodes for instance. His doco has been largely ignored by mainstream Australia and he soon will be forgotten. They haven't learnt yet that you don't mess with the common man. If you win the crowd in the Colosseum (general society) things turn out good. But if the ordinary working man isn't behind something (Uluru lockout) there's going to be consequences. 



using  that logic hammer ...it will soon be forgotten one could actually climb the rock Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

it isnt a matter of  life or death you know...

you can still camp there and admire take happy snaps...

I would be surprised if tourists are allowed to climb all over Mt Rushmore.. Roll Eyes


Grin Have you seen Mt. Rushmore? No comparison.

Besides it's man made as well.

Ayres Rock is not.



haha.. no I dont think so dear..unless your thinking of the sculptors.. Wink Wink


Mt Rushmore only got it's fame from the sculptures.
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Reply #390 - Oct 30th, 2019 at 8:23am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 7:55am:
It has nothing to do with fear of aboriginals for me.

I've climbed it and signed the book at the compass. It was a great trek. Long.....but good. Would I do it again? Probably not but walking around it is nothing to climbing....and yes I walked ALL THE WAY AROUND. That was boring as batshyte TBH.

It is more of the "us and them" mentality that gets me. We are not one with abos only. Every other race is supposed to be....but not abos.
Then there is the "we've been here longer so this is OUR land" crap. If Australians say that to a migrant Indian family then were labeled racists, ridiculed and told that "no one owns the land" yet abos seem to be immune to these lables...Why?

People dont want to "take a helicopter flight" How much does that cost ffs? Climbing is free. It is good exercise.  People want to climb. Let them. Stop playing the sacred site bullshyte. That is what gets people cranky too. I get offended at spirit believers. I dont velieve in spirits yet they push their belief onto me and adjust freedoms to suit them.
How about we abolish all religion and spirit believing because I and many others do not believe in them.
I wouldn't do that. That's why  leave them be to their own ridiculousness.



It is like the Aus Gov has these pet humans. They aren't very clever academically....and probably never will be so when one does an art piece or performance they are automatically awarded because they "made an effort" even though it was a mediocre performance. Like participation awards for non athletic people playing sport. That is not helping the cause...rather it fuels it.

Australians are allowed to be angry over this further separation and recognition of ONE different race....when were all supposed to be the same. Australians built this country, noone can deny that. WE BUILT THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD....HANDS DOWN. We did a bloody great job too, but we are slowly being locked out of it all. I've whitnessed it first hand with motorbike riding. Bushland closed down....FOR NO REASON.
The wankers on here that carry the negativity about a fact of our past are just ungrateful fkkks. Sure...be angry at the Gov. They made terrible decisions.....and still are but back off the blue collar workers. We're not all British blood that raped and pillaged as they pleased. Our families copped it just as bad as the abos. Probably worse in some cases.

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Gnads wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 8:18am:
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 5:38pm:
Gnads wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:30pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:09pm:
YMr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:05pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 3:58pm:
It's time to ban the abbos from collecting the dole.

They have more than enough land to live on and peruse their primitive ways.

Leave them to their primitive survival methods.

Who knows, in a few millennium they might even learn how to lash a rock to a stick.

Or perhaps learn what farming, housing and domestication of animals is.

Probably not
They reached their apex 40,000 years ago when they wiped out the first AUSTRALIANS.

It's been a downhill run since then.

Let them rot on their stolen land

In 10 years they'll be asking national parks to put the walking chain back up Vaulkie. When they can't get jobs at the resort or tourist $ kickbacks. In Zimbabwe they asked the white farmers to come back after murdering thousands of them. Now Zimbabwe is starving. Natives aren't the smartest tools in the shed.


Neither are the nutcases who play sychophant to them.

I like this stuff personally. Seeing do-gooders and radical abos get proven wrong floats my boat. Like Adam Goodes for instance. His doco has been largely ignored by mainstream Australia and he soon will be forgotten. They haven't learnt yet that you don't mess with the common man. If you win the crowd in the Colosseum (general society) things turn out good. But if the ordinary working man isn't behind something (Uluru lockout) there's going to be consequences. 



using  that logic hammer ...it will soon be forgotten one could actually climb the rock Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

it isnt a matter of  life or death you know...

you can still camp there and admire take happy snaps...

I would be surprised if tourists are allowed to climb all over Mt Rushmore.. Roll Eyes


Grin Have you seen Mt. Rushmore? No comparison.

Besides it's man made as well.

Ayres Rock is not.



haha.. no I dont think so dear..unless your thinking of the sculptors.. Wink Wink


Mt Rushmore only got it's fame from the sculptures.






no matter it was there before the sculptures...

but I get where your coming from.....

it all comes down to pride and respect....no matter if it was man made or nature we have to thank...

I dont know about you but I am not impressed to see Idiots climb the Opera House...

to express their disdain... find a better way if you want me to take notice of you....... Angry Angry..

we need more respect in this world...

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Reply #392 - Oct 30th, 2019 at 8:34am
 
cods wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 8:25am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 8:18am:
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 5:38pm:
Gnads wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:30pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:09pm:
YMr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:05pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 3:58pm:
It's time to ban the abbos from collecting the dole.

They have more than enough land to live on and peruse their primitive ways.

Leave them to their primitive survival methods.

Who knows, in a few millennium they might even learn how to lash a rock to a stick.

Or perhaps learn what farming, housing and domestication of animals is.

Probably not
They reached their apex 40,000 years ago when they wiped out the first AUSTRALIANS.

It's been a downhill run since then.

Let them rot on their stolen land

In 10 years they'll be asking national parks to put the walking chain back up Vaulkie. When they can't get jobs at the resort or tourist $ kickbacks. In Zimbabwe they asked the white farmers to come back after murdering thousands of them. Now Zimbabwe is starving. Natives aren't the smartest tools in the shed.


Neither are the nutcases who play sychophant to them.

I like this stuff personally. Seeing do-gooders and radical abos get proven wrong floats my boat. Like Adam Goodes for instance. His doco has been largely ignored by mainstream Australia and he soon will be forgotten. They haven't learnt yet that you don't mess with the common man. If you win the crowd in the Colosseum (general society) things turn out good. But if the ordinary working man isn't behind something (Uluru lockout) there's going to be consequences. 



using  that logic hammer ...it will soon be forgotten one could actually climb the rock Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

it isnt a matter of  life or death you know...

you can still camp there and admire take happy snaps...

I would be surprised if tourists are allowed to climb all over Mt Rushmore.. Roll Eyes


Grin Have you seen Mt. Rushmore? No comparison.

Besides it's man made as well.

Ayres Rock is not.



haha.. no I dont think so dear..unless your thinking of the sculptors.. Wink Wink


Mt Rushmore only got it's fame from the sculptures.






no matter it was there before the sculptures...

but I get where your coming from.....

it all comes down to pride and respect....no matter if it was man made or nature we have to thank...

I dont know about you but I am not impressed to see Idiots climb the Opera House...

to express their disdain... find a better way if you want me to take notice of you....... Angry Angry..

we need more respect in this world...



I don't have a problem with the authorised tours/climbs upon the Opera House.

Illegal scaling & draping of protest banners etc on it or any other buildings/monuments of significance ....... no ... I'd agree with you.
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freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 9:47am:
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I never said women were inferior , so you simply lie here


You said they were more open to demonic attack. Are you worried about their guts falling out?



so you admit you lied , I never said women were inferior , in fact

women are the perfect unmutated human being .

X chromosome female

your frustrations and anger are on display , which is a direct result of racist hateful people like you, being banned from ULURU..

spiritual people do not want you there and so now you are banned .

read the sign .

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11641628-3x2-700x467.jpg


If they have to be banned from the rock because they are more open to "demonic attack", how is that not inferior? Or is your point merely that you didn't explicitly say it?

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So, where does it say that Men are still allowed to climb Uluru, FD?


I don't know Brian. I didn't read it. Got any more stupid questions?

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cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 4:53pm:
if a person wanted to climb it they would find a way....look at Mt Cook in NZ....idiots...

I believe they once climbed the Pyramids...but just body contact was enough to cause damage...

we are more aware today...I think we need to grow up and realise it isnt the end of the world....perhaps those who need to can arrange a helicopter flight over it to see the view...or a balloon...... its already been said hallmer most tourists go there to see the amazing sunsets... that wont change

I'm just trying to work out why all the other billions of years the abos weren't around is somehow neglected? The universe  made Ayers rock. Not abos. They have no more right to claim it than we do cods. let the people enjoy it. It's all ours while we are in existence.


you can still enjoy it hammer.... no one is stopping you going there....you can go and see it any time.....

only 15% of visitors ignored the do not climb signs...and still went ahead....... on the one hand we are sick to death of being held to ransom by a small minority group.......yet here you are claiming this small minority should win the day..

it isnt just aboriginals making this decision... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Cods the real "tiny minority" is the group who actually want to ban women and white people from the rock. The people who want to climb it far outnumber them. The rest are just politically correct morons who don't want to admit this has anything to do with separation of church and state, sexism, and liberty. They pretend to care, but without someone else telling them what the correct opinion is they would know know what to think.

Cods do you think that human rights, separation of church and state, equality before the law etc should be discarded as soon as it is popular to do so, or so long as you can happily dismiss those who are directly affected as an unimportant minority?
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Raven wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 12:45am:
freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 7:25am:
Raven wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:46pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:25pm:
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Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?


You believe in religious rights don't you FD?

Uluru is a sacred site to many aboriginal people. It part of their religious belief. Shouldn't that right be respected?


People should have the right to freely practice their religion. They should not have the right to make the government impose their beliefs on others. As far as I know every single tribe had a number of sacred sites within their territory. If your religious beliefs include racist, sexist exclusions from natural monuments, then respecting that is just as dangerous as respecting a Muslim's belief in raping little girls.

The only reason Ayers rock seems to have more religious significance to Aboriginal people is because of the significance that non-aboriginal people have placed on it, economically, tourism, and as Light demonstrates, many non-Aboriginals also project a spiritual significance on it. It's easy to do with a mountain, especially one poking up from a flat plain. As far as the aboriginal's are concerned, it's just another one out of thousands or millions that happened to get handed over to them. It won't make them happy, just like allowing a Christian to hang on to one page of their Bible would not make them happy.

When you say we need to respect by imposition the racist, sexist, religious beliefs of Aborigines, what you really mean is that we have to give up on them and accept that they are inferior and cannot be held to the same liberal standards as everyone else.

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Then explain why I felt that something 'bad' really bad was going to happen at a school where a Teacher was murdered? Why did I tell someone there as if to warn them - a week before it happened?


Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. You spew endless gibberish on here. Like Nostradamus, among them might be a few gems that somehow resemble an unfolding truth. Unlike Nostradamus, you don't get to delete all the incorrect predictions.


So you are against the religious discrimination bill then?


No idea where you got that from.

Raven wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:12am:
Here's the problem. Australia has a real fear of Indigenous rights in Australia.


Why should someone have a different set of rights to every other citizen based on their race? You mistake it for fear because you have no clue what rights are.

You can only maintain this facade because you think aborigines are so inferior to you that they could not cope with having equal rights to everyone else. You are racist, but too incapable of self reflection to see.
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So, where does it say that Men are still allowed to climb Uluru, FD?


I don't know Brian. I didn't read it.


But you claimed it, FD, you claimed it.  So where does it say that men are still allowed to climb the Rock?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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You answer my questions, I might answer yours, FD.  Roll Eyes

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Never seen so many White dudes try to justify stealing a Black Man's Land, by playing 'Dumb'.
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A Right is only a Right when it is shared by all, and is enforced in favour of all equally... other than that it is a privilege..... not a right in any way ...

You were saying?
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Jasin wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 10:36pm:
Never seen so many White dudes try to justify stealing a Black Man's Land, by playing 'Dumb'.
  Grin Grin  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Never seen so many White and caste White dudes try to justify stealing every Man's Land to favour Blacks, by playing 'Dumb'.


That's the issue... if they ever 'owned it - the haven't for a long time now.. time to re-think and re-tool and get with the program.

My grandfather drove trains - covered a lot of territory across NSW - do I get to claim that as 'traditional grounds' and claim 'ownership' from 'ancestral habituation'?

Take a long walk off a short pier..... when my rights equal Black 'rights' in this regard.. send me the claim documents ...
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When every group has the right to a 'Voice' in government  - let me know - I'll have membership of a few...
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Britain will soon wash its hands of being guilty of stealing Aboriginal Lands.
The USA will also 'deny' having anything to do with stealing Aboriginal Lands.
Which leaves just you 'Australians' as you call yourselves.
What are you going to do, in the eyes of the world,
when 'Judgement Day' comes.  Wink

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Reply #403 - Oct 30th, 2019 at 11:20pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 9:37pm:
Raven wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 12:45am:
freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 7:25am:
Raven wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:46pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?


You believe in religious rights don't you FD?

Uluru is a sacred site to many aboriginal people. It part of their religious belief. Shouldn't that right be respected?


People should have the right to freely practice their religion. They should not have the right to make the government impose their beliefs on others. As far as I know every single tribe had a number of sacred sites within their territory. If your religious beliefs include racist, sexist exclusions from natural monuments, then respecting that is just as dangerous as respecting a Muslim's belief in raping little girls.

The only reason Ayers rock seems to have more religious significance to Aboriginal people is because of the significance that non-aboriginal people have placed on it, economically, tourism, and as Light demonstrates, many non-Aboriginals also project a spiritual significance on it. It's easy to do with a mountain, especially one poking up from a flat plain. As far as the aboriginal's are concerned, it's just another one out of thousands or millions that happened to get handed over to them. It won't make them happy, just like allowing a Christian to hang on to one page of their Bible would not make them happy.

When you say we need to respect by imposition the racist, sexist, religious beliefs of Aborigines, what you really mean is that we have to give up on them and accept that they are inferior and cannot be held to the same liberal standards as everyone else.

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Then explain why I felt that something 'bad' really bad was going to happen at a school where a Teacher was murdered? Why did I tell someone there as if to warn them - a week before it happened?


Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. You spew endless gibberish on here. Like Nostradamus, among them might be a few gems that somehow resemble an unfolding truth. Unlike Nostradamus, you don't get to delete all the incorrect predictions.


So you are against the religious discrimination bill then?


No idea where you got that from.

Well that's essentially what the religious are expecting the government to do.


Raven wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:12am:
Here's the problem. Australia has a real fear of Indigenous rights in Australia.


Why should someone have a different set of rights to every other citizen based on their race? You mistake it for fear because you have no clue what rights are.

You can only maintain this facade because you think aborigines are so inferior to you that they could not cope with having equal rights to everyone else. You are racist, but too incapable of self reflection to see.


A breathtakingly ignorant statement.

You can accuse Raven of being racist against aboriginal people but that's only because you are ignorant and can only attack when you actually lack any substance.

On to your other point. They are exercising their right as land owners on how their land can be used and everyone lost their f.ucking minds.

And that's the thing about Australia, we are a very tolerant country until a minority doesn't know their place.

And that's what happened here. The Anangu people have committed the worst offence in the eyes of white Australia. They've become uppity.

White Australia talks the talk about self determination but can't walk the walk.
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Well said by The Raven.

To the 'just visiting' British & Americans.
They might be a bit primitive.
But to a bunch of Convicts,
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Raven wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 11:20pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 9:37pm:
Raven wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 12:45am:
freediver wrote on Oct 28th, 2019 at 7:25am:
Raven wrote on Oct 27th, 2019 at 11:46pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?


You believe in religious rights don't you FD?

Uluru is a sacred site to many aboriginal people. It part of their religious belief. Shouldn't that right be respected?


People should have the right to freely practice their religion. They should not have the right to make the government impose their beliefs on others. As far as I know every single tribe had a number of sacred sites within their territory. If your religious beliefs include racist, sexist exclusions from natural monuments, then respecting that is just as dangerous as respecting a Muslim's belief in raping little girls.

The only reason Ayers rock seems to have more religious significance to Aboriginal people is because of the significance that non-aboriginal people have placed on it, economically, tourism, and as Light demonstrates, many non-Aboriginals also project a spiritual significance on it. It's easy to do with a mountain, especially one poking up from a flat plain. As far as the aboriginal's are concerned, it's just another one out of thousands or millions that happened to get handed over to them. It won't make them happy, just like allowing a Christian to hang on to one page of their Bible would not make them happy.

When you say we need to respect by imposition the racist, sexist, religious beliefs of Aborigines, what you really mean is that we have to give up on them and accept that they are inferior and cannot be held to the same liberal standards as everyone else.

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Then explain why I felt that something 'bad' really bad was going to happen at a school where a Teacher was murdered? Why did I tell someone there as if to warn them - a week before it happened?


Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. You spew endless gibberish on here. Like Nostradamus, among them might be a few gems that somehow resemble an unfolding truth. Unlike Nostradamus, you don't get to delete all the incorrect predictions.


So you are against the religious discrimination bill then?


No idea where you got that from.

Well that's essentially what the religious are expecting the government to do.


Raven wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:12am:
Here's the problem. Australia has a real fear of Indigenous rights in Australia.


Why should someone have a different set of rights to every other citizen based on their race? You mistake it for fear because you have no clue what rights are.

You can only maintain this facade because you think aborigines are so inferior to you that they could not cope with having equal rights to everyone else. You are racist, but too incapable of self reflection to see.


A breathtakingly ignorant statement.

You can accuse Raven of being racist against aboriginal people but that's only because you are ignorant and can only attack when you actually lack any substance.

On to your other point. They are exercising their right as land owners on how their land can be used and everyone lost their f.ucking minds.

And that's the thing about Australia, we are a very tolerant country until a minority doesn't know their place.

And that's what happened here. The Anangu people have committed the worst offence in the eyes of white Australia. They've become uppity.

White Australia talks the talk about self determination but can't walk the walk.


The Anangu haven't committed an offence by becoming anything at all ...... left to their own devices this would never have happened.

And in light of all the other social crises going on in their community I would have thought the few people climbing the rock would be a low priority.

The chronic DV, alcohol, drug & petrol sniffing abuse has run a poor last ......

as long as they get whitey off the rock.  Roll Eyes
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The Anangu didn't do it - their board of unelected swill controlled by Whitey did it... twelve people voted on it - millions did not... hang twelve a week until the board gets it right...

Talk about Fascism...

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The Anangu didn't do it - their board of unelected swill controlled by Whitey did it... twelve people voted on it - millions did not... hang twelve a week until the board gets it right...

Talk about Fascism...

To the Plebiscites, men!


And this is what happens when they are FORCED to do things the 'Political' way to make the Whities happy.
They didn't need to Experience Uluru's presence with Politics before, but now they have to contrive an Aboriginal version of Political expression, just to have their own way 'respected'.

But everything is a process, like Europe jilting the oppressive Religion it got infected by from the Middle-East. 'Religious' (Political & Military too) Germany has fallen, next will soon be France, then Italy and finally Britain.

You see, it was the Religious/Political/Military Germans who were 'evil' ...all in the name of the Middle-East.

...and so to will it be the French, then Italians and finally - the BRITISH.
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freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:57pm:
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Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Sydney Cathedral is man made
SHB is man made
MCG is man made

Who made Ayres Rock?


Immaterial.  They are places where climbing, unsupervised, is prohibited, Gordon.  When strangers are allowed to wander off the street and climb those places, get back to us.  Roll Eyes


Are any of them off-limits because some group has projected spiritual significance onto them and used that as a basis to ban women from it, as well as men from the wrong racial groups?


We can see here that FD is sneakily attempting to imply that a) the "projection" of spiritual significance is a recent thing, done only for the sake of cruelly depriving good white people of their God-given freeeeedom, and b) certain individuals (cruel black people of course) are still permitted to climb it.

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polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 1st, 2019 at 10:39am:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:57pm:
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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Sydney Cathedral is man made
SHB is man made
MCG is man made

Who made Ayres Rock?


Immaterial.  They are places where climbing, unsupervised, is prohibited, Gordon.  When strangers are allowed to wander off the street and climb those places, get back to us.  Roll Eyes


Are any of them off-limits because some group has projected spiritual significance onto them and used that as a basis to ban women from it, as well as men from the wrong racial groups?


We can see here that FD is sneakily attempting to imply that a) the "projection" of spiritual significance is a recent thing, done only for the sake of cruelly depriving good white people of their God-given freeeeedom, and b) certain individuals (cruel black people of course) are still permitted to climb it.

Naturally, neither are true.


But everyone who climbs the rock has a spiritual moment.....it's not colour-sensitive, you know...
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Would that be the 'spiritual' glee of stomping all over someone's sacred site - having ignored specific requests not to stomp all over that site?

You are aware that Aborigines have been requesting we don't stomp all over their sacred site for decades now right?
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Reply #412 - Nov 1st, 2019 at 1:54pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 1st, 2019 at 11:28am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 1st, 2019 at 10:39am:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:57pm:
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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Sydney Cathedral is man made
SHB is man made
MCG is man made

Who made Ayres Rock?


Immaterial.  They are places where climbing, unsupervised, is prohibited, Gordon.  When strangers are allowed to wander off the street and climb those places, get back to us.  Roll Eyes


Are any of them off-limits because some group has projected spiritual significance onto them and used that as a basis to ban women from it, as well as men from the wrong racial groups?


We can see here that FD is sneakily attempting to imply that a) the "projection" of spiritual significance is a recent thing, done only for the sake of cruelly depriving good white people of their God-given freeeeedom, and b) certain individuals (cruel black people of course) are still permitted to climb it.

Naturally, neither are true.


But everyone who climbs the rock has a spiritual moment.....it's not colour-sensitive, you know...



racists can be spiritual ??

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Be a lot less trouble today if they'd gotten rid of all the Boongs... the Poms need to go back and re-plan their Invasion to get it right...


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1509750506/752#752

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[sarc]This of course means that there will now be a dramatic fall in Aboriginal family violence, aboriginal child abuse, aboriginal crime rates, aboriginal incarceration, aboriginal unemployment, aboriginal drunkenness and drug abuse, because they now have their sacredness back again[/sarc]

If spirituality and sacredness were of any importance to the aboriginals they would not be plagued by the almost insurmountable problems above.

This closure will have absolutely no effect on the above problems facing the aborigines, these troubles will continue on at an ever increasing rate, unless there is a 100% turnaround in the bullshit that is being used to *guide* the aboriginals presently.
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Tell us, Moses are Muslims allowed to visit the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem?

Tell us, Moses are non-Muslims allowed to visit the Dome on the Rock Mosque?

Tell us, Moses are non-Christians allowed to visit the site of the Tomb of St. Peter?

I rather think it's time for the traditional land owners to assert their authority.  Uluru is holy to them.   Time for you to stop whinging...  Roll Eyes

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Tell us, Moses are Muslims allowed to visit the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem?

Tell us, Moses are non-Muslims allowed to visit the Dome on the Rock Mosque?

Tell us, Moses are non-Christians allowed to visit the site of the Tomb of St. Peter?

I rather think it's time for the
traditional land owners to assert their authority
.  Uluru is holy to them.   Time for you to stop whinging...  Roll Eyes


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People since time began have built all sorts of things and stipulated who can and can't come to their man made buildings. (men have the right to do just that after all they built it)

The rock is just that, a rock, built by the forces of nature, aboriginals had zero input into it's construction. (it is just another piece of the landscape around us)

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[sarc]This of course means that there will now be a dramatic fall in Aboriginal family violence, aboriginal child abuse, aboriginal crime rates, aboriginal incarceration, aboriginal unemployment, aboriginal drunkenness and drug abuse, because they now have their sacredness back again[/sarc]

If spirituality and sacredness were of any importance to the aboriginals they would not be plagued by the almost insurmountable problems above.

This closure will have absolutely no effect on the above problems facing the aborigines, these troubles will continue on at an ever increasing rate, unless there is a 100% turnaround in the bullshit that is being used to *guide* the aboriginals presently.


This closure will achieve exactly nothing for the welfare and betterment of the aboriginals, in fact if could very well lead to an acceleration of their downward spiral.

How long will it take for the aboriginals to wake up to the fact they are being used as tools in the loony left push of hate the whitey.

The rock is nothing, the family violence, child abuse, crime rates, unemployment, drunkenness and drug abuse, high rates of incarceration, these are the issues which should be tackled, not some divisive bullshit which will achieve nothing for the people directly.

Wake up bungee, you're being used by people who couldn't care less about you.


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it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 1st, 2019 at 1:54pm:
racists can be spiritual ??



thats a new one!



So anyone who wants to bushwalk freely, climb a rock, or camp out like any Aboriginal can, and enjoy a spiritual moment - is now racist?

You need to change your name....

it_is_the_light  to   ....    i_am_the_darkness    .... then we'll admit the 20th Century was all yours....


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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 1st, 2019 at 9:03pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 1st, 2019 at 1:54pm:
racists can be spiritual ??



thats a new one!



So anyone who wants to bushwalk freely, climb a rock, or camp out like any Aboriginal can, and enjoy a spiritual moment - is now racist?

You need to change your name....

it_is_the_light  to   ....    i_am_the_darkness    .... then we'll admit the 20th Century was all yours....




yes you are the darkness .. but ,

racists can be spiritual ??

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 9th, 2019 at 11:08pm:
Be a lot less trouble today if they'd gotten rid of all the Boongs... the Poms need to go back and re-plan their Invasion to get it right...


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1509750506/752#752

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 11:08pm:
Heng a few Blecks from the Ayers Tower, and all will be correct. Heng a few carefully chosen, and the rest will follow...


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it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 1st, 2019 at 9:16pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 11:08pm:
Heng a few Blecks from the Ayers Tower, and all will be correct. Heng a few carefully chosen, and the rest will follow...


https://i.imgflip.com/3eym2j.jpg

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1509750506/720


You are a disgrace - the man is on his last legs and is about to die... I hope you're proud.
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it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 1st, 2019 at 9:07pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 1st, 2019 at 9:03pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 1st, 2019 at 1:54pm:
racists can be spiritual ??



thats a new one!



So anyone who wants to bushwalk freely, climb a rock, or camp out like any Aboriginal can, and enjoy a spiritual moment - is now racist?

You need to change your name....

it_is_the_light  to   ....    i_am_the_darkness    .... then we'll admit the 20th Century was all yours....




yes you are the darkness .. but ,

racists can be spiritual ??

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 9th, 2019 at 11:08pm:
Be a lot less trouble today if they'd gotten rid of all the Boongs... the Poms need to go back and re-plan their Invasion to get it right...


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1509750506/752#752

thats a new one!


Well..... would there be any argument if that had happened, Whartey?
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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 10:12pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 9:22pm:
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So, where does it say that Men are still allowed to climb Uluru, FD?


I don't know Brian. I didn't read it.


But you claimed it, FD, you claimed it.  So where does it say that men are still allowed to climb the Rock?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Got any more stupid questions?


You answer my questions, I might answer yours, FD.  Roll Eyes



I did not claim it was stated in that particular article. Your inability to find things you do not want to see is only evidence of your own irrationality. You like to think you are not racist, but you would not accept this sort of behaviour - banning women from a popular tourist destination, banning white people, government imposing religious dictates on people - from those you consider to be your equal. You only make all these excuses for Aborigines because you consider them so inferior to you.

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You can accuse Raven of being racist against aboriginal people but that's only because you are ignorant and can only attack when you actually lack any substance.

On to your other point.


I see. Counter a rational argument with hysteria and demand we move on. Can you offer a rational justification for banning women from a popular tourist destination, banning white people, and the government imposing religious dictates, that does not ultimately rest on your view of Aborigines as some kind of inferior "noble savage" who cannot be expected to cope with concepts like equality before the law, equality of the sexes, and separation of church and state?

I suggest to you, and your efforts so far support this view, that rather than actually thinking about the issue and coming to a rational conclusion, you came to your conclusion by refusing to consider your views on Aboriginal people and what place they ought to have in modern society. You were told what opinion to have, backed up by an emotion-laden sob story, and are afraid to let in any kind of self-awareness.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 1st, 2019 at 10:39am:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 7:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 9:57pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go.  One of them happens to be Uluru now.  Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock.  They decide who climbs and who doesn't.  Otherwise, why were they granted land rights?    Cool


Sydney Cathedral is man made
SHB is man made
MCG is man made

Who made Ayres Rock?


Immaterial.  They are places where climbing, unsupervised, is prohibited, Gordon.  When strangers are allowed to wander off the street and climb those places, get back to us.  Roll Eyes


Are any of them off-limits because some group has projected spiritual significance onto them and used that as a basis to ban women from it, as well as men from the wrong racial groups?


We can see here that FD is sneakily attempting to imply that a) the "projection" of spiritual significance is a recent thing, done only for the sake of cruelly depriving good white people of their God-given freeeeedom, and b) certain individuals (cruel black people of course) are still permitted to climb it.

Naturally, neither are true.


Why does it matter how recent it is? Does holding an incorrect view for long enough somehow make it correct? The only reason I have to invent a new scenario is because our society separated church and state so long ago that we take it for granted. It is not sneaky Gandalf, it is just that there are no familiar examples of our society letting white people get away with this. I could of course go overseas to any Muslim-majority nation and find plenty of examples of Muslims doing this sort of thing. After all, it is a play right out of Muhammad's book.

What do you think Muhammad would have done?
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Your inability to find things you do not want to see is only evidence of your own irrationality.


That's true, FD. Brian's ability to find things is nowhere near as good as yours.
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I can. It's called private property.

You?
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It is not private property. The Aborigines do not have private property rights over Ayers rock. This is just another feeble minded effort at whitewashing your own racism with desperate moral equivalence. You are desperate to find any excuse to justify your perception of Aborigines as inferior to you, and your desperation blinds you to looking at your own thoughts.
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 11:57am:
It is not private property. The Aborigines do not have private property rights over Ayers rock. This is just another feeble minded effort at whitewashing your own racism with desperate moral equivalence. You are desperate to find any excuse to justify your perception of Aborigines as inferior to you, and your desperation blinds you to looking at your own thoughts.


no , because Ayers Rock is an illegality and illusion

Native Australians own ULURU

read the new sign posted ..

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... in my...... humble opinion ..... in the Black Rage Age..... the enemy is race itself.....
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it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 12:05pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 11:57am:
It is not private property. The Aborigines do not have private property rights over Ayers rock. This is just another feeble minded effort at whitewashing your own racism with desperate moral equivalence. You are desperate to find any excuse to justify your perception of Aborigines as inferior to you, and your desperation blinds you to looking at your own thoughts.


no , because Ayers Rock is an illegality and illusion

Native Australians own ULURU

read the new sign posted ..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11641628-3x2-700x467.jpg

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/48DD1F8D00000578-0-image-a-1_15...

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That was posted by an unelected government appointed board of twelve, with no reference to anyone but a chosen few... hardly binding .... chainsaw will soon fix it...

Plebiscite To the People NOW!!

Let's see how all these 'issues' pan out once the people have a fair shot at them...

BTW - for the uninitiated - 'boards' such as this,. appointed by a government, are there to pursue government policy without the government having any direct responsibility.. they do - however - have a responsibility to say NO, and to listen to the majority ....

Can't wait to see what Sellout Pale Ass Chick does in Queenslund... they're a feisty lot up there - they might revolt..
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 12:08pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 12:05pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 11:57am:
It is not private property. The Aborigines do not have private property rights over Ayers rock. This is just another feeble minded effort at whitewashing your own racism with desperate moral equivalence. You are desperate to find any excuse to justify your perception of Aborigines as inferior to you, and your desperation blinds you to looking at your own thoughts.


no , because Ayers Rock is an illegality and illusion

Native Australians own ULURU

read the new sign posted ..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11641628-3x2-700x467.jpg

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/48DD1F8D00000578-0-image-a-1_15...

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That was posted by an unelected government appointed board of twelve, with no reference to anyone but a chosen few... hardly binding .... chainsaw will soon fix it...

Plebiscite To the People NOW!!

Let's see how all these 'issues' pan out once the people have a fair shot at them...


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FACT IS ,

THESE BLACK FELLAS ARE THE TOUGHEST RACE ON EARTH !!!! ..

THERE IS no other people that could have stood up to the murder, genocide , theft and racism that these people have ..

along with the invaders poisons that have tried to inflict the final death blow, they still endure , and now

they are STILL here and claiming back their heritage ..

without anyones permission or approval

bravo and well done my black brothers and sisters !




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THERE IS no other people that could have stood up to the murder, genocide , theft and racism that these people have .
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So they are a superior race?
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THERE IS no other people that could have stood up to the murder, genocide , theft and racism that these people have .
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So they are a superior race?


do you have an inferiority complex ?
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So they are a superior race?



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THERE IS no other people that could have stood up to the murder, genocide , theft and racism that these people have .
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So they are a superior race?


do you have an inferiority complex ?


I have a question. Do you think they are a superior race? Are you afraid to answer?
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it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 12:21pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 12:19pm:
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THERE IS no other people that could have stood up to the murder, genocide , theft and racism that these people have .
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So they are a superior race?


do you have an inferiority complex ?


I have a question. Do you think they are a superior race? Are you afraid to answer?


I did not say that , you asked the question
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 12:19pm:
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THERE IS no other people that could have stood up to the murder, genocide , theft and racism that these people have .
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So they are a superior race?





well, lets hear from the man in Black .. i'll see you , and then i'll raise ya


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it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 12:27pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 12:22pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 12:21pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 12:19pm:
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THERE IS no other people that could have stood up to the murder, genocide , theft and racism that these people have .
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So they are a superior race?


do you have an inferiority complex ?


I have a question. Do you think they are a superior race? Are you afraid to answer?


I did not say that , you asked the question


Correct. And you are afraid to answer, right?
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 12:41pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 12:27pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 12:22pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 12:21pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 12:19pm:
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THERE IS no other people that could have stood up to the murder, genocide , theft and racism that these people have .
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So they are a superior race?


do you have an inferiority complex ?


I have a question. Do you think they are a superior race? Are you afraid to answer?


I did not say that , you asked the question


Correct. And you are afraid to answer, right?


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for one such as I am , am in no doubt ,

yet you announce confusion upon such a matter .. this confusion you embody

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Only black abbos SHOUKD be given aboriginal status.

White abbos should simply be classed as whites.
No abbo benifits
No abbo claims
No bull shite sacred land claims.

Black abbos only

That will finish nearly all of the turds claiming aboriginality and cut back seriously on welfare payouts.

Additionally, it will mean the money wasted on these white abbos, could be better spent on looking after the REAL abbos who need help, but are given nothing from the white abbos.

Only black abbos are real abbos
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https://parksaustralia.gov.au/uluru/discover/culture/uluru-climb/


In 2010, the release of the Park’s Management Plan signalled the intention to work towards closing the climb. In November 2017, the Board of Management agreed that the criteria which included the number of visitors climbing falling below 20%, voted unanimously to close the climb from 26 October 2019, the 34th anniversary of Handback. This significant decision demonstrates Tjukurpa and Australian law working together in joint management. Our vision is that the park is a place where Anangu law and culture is kept strong for future generations.

Visitors are advised that climbing Uluru is a breach of the Environmental Protection and Biodiversity (EPBC) Act, and penalties will be issued to visitors attempting to do so.

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Is it only black people whose traditional law and culture is "protected" by imposing it on the rest of society? How is the level of protection any different to that afforded and animal in a zoo?
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 1:28pm:
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Our vision is that the park is a place where Anangu law and culture is kept strong for future generations.


Is it only black people whose traditional law and culture is "protected" by imposing it on the rest of society?



No - but it's not our land.

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Who owns it Bobby?
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 1:31pm:
Who owns it Bobby?


The Abbos.
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Do you think it is their private property?
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 1:38pm:
Do you think it is their private property?



Well obviously it is now.
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you can still go visit ULURU,

but no climbing ..

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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 11:57am:
It is not private property. The Aborigines do not have private property rights over Ayers rock. This is just another feeble minded effort at whitewashing your own racism with desperate moral equivalence. You are desperate to find any excuse to justify your perception of Aborigines as inferior to you, and your desperation blinds you to looking at your own thoughts.


Now now, FD, no need to get hysterical. This isn't government policy, it's Boong policy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uluru
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 1:28pm:
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Our vision is that the park is a place where Anangu law and culture is kept strong for future generations.


Is it only black people whose traditional law and culture is "protected" by imposing it on the rest of society?


You seem quite focussed on tintedness here, FD.

Moved on from criticising Islam (is not a race), have you?
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 1:38pm:
Do you think it is their private property?


Good question, dear. Maybe if we think it's not their land we can still climb on it.

What are they going to do? Throw spears at us?
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Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 1:47pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 1:38pm:
Do you think it is their private property?



Well obviously it is now.


No it isn't.

Quote:
You seem quite focussed on tintedness here, FD.


Is your racism unrelated to their tintedness?

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Now now, FD, no need to get hysterical. This isn't government policy, it's Boong policy.


Did they have a choice?
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:21pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 1:47pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 1:38pm:
Do you think it is their private property?



Well obviously it is now.


No it isn't.


There you go, you see? It's just he-said she-said.

How can the Boongs prove it?

I'd like to visit a Masonic lodge. Do you think I can try the same trick there?
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The Masons are allowed to sell their lodges.
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:21pm:
Is your racism unrelated to their tintedness?


Not really, dear. We're supposed hate all Boongs equally here.

At Ularu, they only let the Pitjantjatjara ones in.
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:24pm:
The Masons are allowed to sell their lodges.


while freemasons are laying out the tracing board ,

are uninitiated profane types allowed to observe and participate ??

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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:24pm:
The Masons are allowed to sell their lodges.


How can they sell them if they don't own them in the first place?

Come on, FD, do try to keep up with your own arguments.
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it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:24pm:
The Masons are allowed to sell their lodges.


while freemasons are laying out the tracing board ,

are uninitiated profane types allowed to observe and participate ??

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Only the human sacrifices, dear one.

FD's going to claim the Pitjantjitjara mob sacrifice white babies next, you'll see.

Typical of the Boongs. So racist and unfair.
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Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:21pm:
Is your racism unrelated to their tintedness?


Not really, dear. We're supposed hate all Boongs equally here.

At Ularu, they only let the Pitjantjatjara ones in.


Only the men. The women are more open to demonic attack, apparently.

Is it not racist if they also ban most black tribes?

Quote:
while freemasons are laying out the tracing board ,

are uninitiated profane types allowed to observe and participate ??


There is no law against it.

Quote:
How can they sell them if they don't own them in the first place?

Come on, FD, do try to keep up with your own arguments.


Would you like to share your delusions about my argument?
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Reply #460 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:35pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:21pm:
Is your racism unrelated to their tintedness?


Not really, dear. We're supposed hate all Boongs equally here.

At Ularu, they only let the Pitjantjatjara ones in.


Only the men. The women are more open to demonic attack, apparently.

Is it not racist if they also ban most black tribes?

Quote:
while freemasons are laying out the tracing board ,

are uninitiated profane types allowed to observe and participate ??


There is no law against it.


are women allowed in the lodge to observe and participate ceremony ?
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it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:37pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:35pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:21pm:
Is your racism unrelated to their tintedness?


Not really, dear. We're supposed hate all Boongs equally here.

At Ularu, they only let the Pitjantjatjara ones in.


Only the men. The women are more open to demonic attack, apparently.

Is it not racist if they also ban most black tribes?

Quote:
while freemasons are laying out the tracing board ,

are uninitiated profane types allowed to observe and participate ??


There is no law against it.


are women allowed in the lodge to observe and participate ceremony ?


There is no law against it.
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:38pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:37pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:35pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:21pm:
Is your racism unrelated to their tintedness?


Not really, dear. We're supposed hate all Boongs equally here.

At Ularu, they only let the Pitjantjatjara ones in.


Only the men. The women are more open to demonic attack, apparently.

Is it not racist if they also ban most black tribes?

Quote:
while freemasons are laying out the tracing board ,

are uninitiated profane types allowed to observe and participate ??


There is no law against it.


are women allowed in the lodge to observe and participate ceremony ?


There is no law against it.


is a freemason allowed to converse on freemasonic matters with non freemasons ?
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Reply #463 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:42pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:41pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:38pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:37pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:35pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:21pm:
Is your racism unrelated to their tintedness?


Not really, dear. We're supposed hate all Boongs equally here.

At Ularu, they only let the Pitjantjatjara ones in.


Only the men. The women are more open to demonic attack, apparently.

Is it not racist if they also ban most black tribes?

Quote:
while freemasons are laying out the tracing board ,

are uninitiated profane types allowed to observe and participate ??


There is no law against it.


are women allowed in the lodge to observe and participate ceremony ?


There is no law against it.


is a freemason allowed to converse on freemasonic matters with non freemasons ?



Nah - but freemasons are more organised... surely you're not saying that Kaffirs are freemasons?
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:35pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:21pm:
Is your racism unrelated to their tintedness?


Not really, dear. We're supposed hate all Boongs equally here.

At Ularu, they only let the Pitjantjatjara ones in.


Only the men. The women are more open to demonic attack, apparently.

Is it not racist if they also ban most black tribes?

Quote:
while freemasons are laying out the tracing board ,

are uninitiated profane types allowed to observe and participate ??


There is no law against it.

Quote:
How can they sell them if they don't own them in the first place?

Come on, FD, do try to keep up with your own arguments.


Would you like to share your delusions about my argument?


Not at all, dear. I'd like to share your truth.

Are Westfields racist for fining me for parking in their car parks?

Are masons racist for banning me from their child sacrifices?

Are the Boongs racist for eating white babies?

Thanks for sharing, FD.
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Reply #465 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:48pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:41pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:38pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:37pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:35pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:21pm:
Is your racism unrelated to their tintedness?


Not really, dear. We're supposed hate all Boongs equally here.

At Ularu, they only let the Pitjantjatjara ones in.


Only the men. The women are more open to demonic attack, apparently.

Is it not racist if they also ban most black tribes?

Quote:
while freemasons are laying out the tracing board ,

are uninitiated profane types allowed to observe and participate ??


There is no law against it.


are women allowed in the lodge to observe and participate ceremony ?


There is no law against it.


is a freemason allowed to converse on freemasonic matters with non freemasons ?


Of course not. Are judges allowed to let crooks off who give the Masonic sign?

Are they being racist to the non-Freemasons?
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Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:45pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:35pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:21pm:
Is your racism unrelated to their tintedness?


Not really, dear. We're supposed hate all Boongs equally here.

At Ularu, they only let the Pitjantjatjara ones in.


Only the men. The women are more open to demonic attack, apparently.

Is it not racist if they also ban most black tribes?

Quote:
while freemasons are laying out the tracing board ,

are uninitiated profane types allowed to observe and participate ??


There is no law against it.

Quote:
How can they sell them if they don't own them in the first place?

Come on, FD, do try to keep up with your own arguments.


Would you like to share your delusions about my argument?


Not at all, dear. I'd like to share your truth.

Are Westfields racist for fining me for parking in their car parks?

Are masons racist for banning me from their child sacrifices?

Are the Boongs racist for eating white babies?

Thanks for sharing, FD.


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Reply #467 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:51pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:41pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:38pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:37pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:35pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:21pm:
Is your racism unrelated to their tintedness?


Not really, dear. We're supposed hate all Boongs equally here.

At Ularu, they only let the Pitjantjatjara ones in.


Only the men. The women are more open to demonic attack, apparently.

Is it not racist if they also ban most black tribes?

Quote:
while freemasons are laying out the tracing board ,

are uninitiated profane types allowed to observe and participate ??


There is no law against it.


are women allowed in the lodge to observe and participate ceremony ?


There is no law against it.


is a freemason allowed to converse on freemasonic matters with non freemasons ?


No law against that either.

Are you familiar with the concept of separation of church and state?

Quote:
Not at all, dear. I'd like to share your truth.

Are Westfields racist for fining me for parking in their car parks?

Are masons racist for banning me from their child sacrifices?


If they fined only women they would be sexist, or exclusively based on racial group, that would be racist. And people would howl in protest if the government imposed such policies on a popular tourist destination like Bondi beach.

But you consider Aborigines to be so far beneath you that you cannot even conceive of them living up to the same standards you expect from everyone else (except Muslims perhaps, apologists like you are always making excuses for them also).

It is the soft bigotry of low expectations, and you are so lacking in self awareness you cannot even see it when it is pointed out to you.
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:51pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:41pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:38pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:37pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:35pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:21pm:
Is your racism unrelated to their tintedness?


Not really, dear. We're supposed hate all Boongs equally here.

At Ularu, they only let the Pitjantjatjara ones in.


Only the men. The women are more open to demonic attack, apparently.

Is it not racist if they also ban most black tribes?

Quote:
while freemasons are laying out the tracing board ,

are uninitiated profane types allowed to observe and participate ??


There is no law against it.


are women allowed in the lodge to observe and participate ceremony ?


There is no law against it.


is a freemason allowed to converse on freemasonic matters with non freemasons ?


No law against that either.

Are you familiar with the concept of separation of church and state?



Original/Natural/Cosmic law does not limit/subjugate itself to Admirality Law .
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Reply #469 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:56pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:55pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:51pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:41pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:38pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:37pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:35pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:21pm:
Is your racism unrelated to their tintedness?


Not really, dear. We're supposed hate all Boongs equally here.

At Ularu, they only let the Pitjantjatjara ones in.


Only the men. The women are more open to demonic attack, apparently.

Is it not racist if they also ban most black tribes?

Quote:
while freemasons are laying out the tracing board ,

are uninitiated profane types allowed to observe and participate ??


There is no law against it.


are women allowed in the lodge to observe and participate ceremony ?


There is no law against it.


is a freemason allowed to converse on freemasonic matters with non freemasons ?


No law against that either.

Are you familiar with the concept of separation of church and state?



Original/Natural/Cosmic law does not limit/subjugate itself to Admirality Law .


Aboriginal law does.
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Reply #470 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:57pm
 
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it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:41pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:38pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:37pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:35pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:21pm:
Is your racism unrelated to their tintedness?


Not really, dear. We're supposed hate all Boongs equally here.

At Ularu, they only let the Pitjantjatjara ones in.


Only the men. The women are more open to demonic attack, apparently.

Is it not racist if they also ban most black tribes?

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while freemasons are laying out the tracing board ,

are uninitiated profane types allowed to observe and participate ??


There is no law against it.


are women allowed in the lodge to observe and participate ceremony ?


There is no law against it.


is a freemason allowed to converse on freemasonic matters with non freemasons ?


No law against that either.

Are you familiar with the concept of separation of church and state?

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Not at all, dear. I'd like to share your truth.

Are Westfields racist for fining me for parking in their car parks?

Are masons racist for banning me from their child sacrifices?


If they fined only women they would be sexist, or exclusively based on racial group, that would be racist. And people would howl in protest if the government imposed such policies on a popular tourist destination like Bondi beach.

But you consider Aborigines to be so far beneath you that you cannot even conceive of them living up to the same standards you expect from everyone else (except Muslims perhaps, apologists like you are always making excuses for them also).

It is the soft bigotry of low expectations, and you are so lacking in self awareness you cannot even see it when it is pointed out to you.


Exactly. Dear one considers these blacks so far beneath him he thinks they can do what they want with their own property.

So racist, so sexist. You're much more respectful, FD. You don't believe in Boongs owning rocks in the first place.
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Reply #471 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm
 
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.
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Reply #472 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:00pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:56pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:55pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:51pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:41pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:38pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:37pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:35pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:21pm:
Is your racism unrelated to their tintedness?


Not really, dear. We're supposed hate all Boongs equally here.

At Ularu, they only let the Pitjantjatjara ones in.


Only the men. The women are more open to demonic attack, apparently.

Is it not racist if they also ban most black tribes?

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while freemasons are laying out the tracing board ,

are uninitiated profane types allowed to observe and participate ??


There is no law against it.


are women allowed in the lodge to observe and participate ceremony ?


There is no law against it.


is a freemason allowed to converse on freemasonic matters with non freemasons ?


No law against that either.

Are you familiar with the concept of separation of church and state?



Original/Natural/Cosmic law does not limit/subjugate itself to Admirality Law .


Aboriginal law does.


yes but these are ORIGINAL , not  " not original" or " aboriginal "

this is white falla terminology and Yigi YIgi says different


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Reply #473 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:02pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


That's what I said. You're much more respectful, FD.

You think they don't own it because they're animals.

All part of our diverse native flora and fauna, no?

Why did you change it from apes to elephants?
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Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:02pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


That's what I said. You're much more respectful, FD.

You think they don't own it because they're animals.

All part of our diverse native flora and fauna, no?

Why did you change it from apes to elephants?


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Reply #475 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:13pm
 
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They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


The courts determined otherwise, FD.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #476 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:23pm
 
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


The courts determined otherwise, FD.  Roll Eyes


Well, we do have laws about the treatment of animals, you know. It's not the same as them owning anything.
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Reply #477 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:39pm
 
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


The courts determined otherwise, FD.  Roll Eyes

It was a pretty hush hush affair considering the future impacts on their local economy and the precedent it set. A pivotal moment in Australian history which flew under the radar. Disgraceful. I can see why people have stopped trusting our leaders.
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Reply #478 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 4:21pm
 
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


The courts determined otherwise, FD.  Roll Eyes



It's their land:

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Did the Abbos build Ayres Rock?
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The Abbos built some amazing structures. We should be proud of them.

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I wonder how the Abbbos built this?

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How did the AbbbbBos build Ayres Rock? 60000 years of sculpture I guess.

Puts this to shame


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This just blows me away, the craftsmanship is amazing.

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Is that his child bride or his daughter?
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Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:39pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


The courts determined otherwise, FD.  Roll Eyes

It was a pretty hush hush affair considering the future impacts on their local economy and the precedent it set. A pivotal moment in Australian history which flew under the radar. Disgraceful. I can see why people have stopped trusting our leaders.


Yes, but it's all about race for you, Homo, you acknowledge that.

FD, on the other hand, twists and turns into the most uncomfortable positions to pretend he's not a card-carrying white supremacist.

The latest one's brilliant - Boongs are not a race.

They're flora and fauna.

You?
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Setanta wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 4:52pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 4:42pm:
This just blows me away, the craftsmanship is amazing.



Is that his child bride or his daughter?


Setanta's not racist. Some of his best friends are clit-wond... Curry-lovers.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:39pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


The courts determined otherwise, FD.  Roll Eyes

It was a pretty hush hush affair considering the future impacts on their local economy and the precedent it set. A pivotal moment in Australian history which flew under the radar. Disgraceful. I can see why people have stopped trusting our leaders.


You must have missed the news on that night, Hammer.  Was it 'cause you were too busy doing your homework?  Afterall, it was in 1985...  Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 8:24pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:39pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


The courts determined otherwise, FD.  Roll Eyes

It was a pretty hush hush affair considering the future impacts on their local economy and the precedent it set. A pivotal moment in Australian history which flew under the radar. Disgraceful. I can see why people have stopped trusting our leaders.


You must have missed the news on that night, Hammer.  Was it 'cause you were too busy doing your homework?  Afterall, it was in 1985...  Roll Eyes

Look how many posts there are on this thread. Obviously Australia isn't too fond of the decision. I snuck up on many people.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 8:28pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 8:24pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:39pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


The courts determined otherwise, FD.  Roll Eyes

It was a pretty hush hush affair considering the future impacts on their local economy and the precedent it set. A pivotal moment in Australian history which flew under the radar. Disgraceful. I can see why people have stopped trusting our leaders.


You must have missed the news on that night, Hammer.  Was it 'cause you were too busy doing your homework?  Afterall, it was in 1985...  Roll Eyes

Look how many posts there are on this thread. Obviously Australia isn't too fond of the decision. I snuck up on many people.


This thread is hardly representative of the wider Australian community, Hammer.  You're in the minority on this one.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #492 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 10:20pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 8:28pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 8:24pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:39pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


The courts determined otherwise, FD.  Roll Eyes

It was a pretty hush hush affair considering the future impacts on their local economy and the precedent it set. A pivotal moment in Australian history which flew under the radar. Disgraceful. I can see why people have stopped trusting our leaders.


You must have missed the news on that night, Hammer.  Was it 'cause you were too busy doing your homework?  Afterall, it was in 1985...  Roll Eyes

Look how many posts there are on this thread. Obviously Australia isn't too fond of the decision. I snuck up on many people.


But of course. This board's a microcosm, no? Matty, Grappler, the old boy, FD.

Look how many posts there are in this thread. Why don't the Boongs just give it back?
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Gordon wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 4:42pm:
This just blows me away, the craftsmanship is amazing.



Is that his child bride or his daughter?


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Reply #494 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:31am
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:02pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


That's what I said. You're much more respectful, FD.

You think they don't own it because they're animals.

All part of our diverse native flora and fauna, no?

Why did you change it from apes to elephants?


They do not own it because they do not own it. They do not have private property rights over it. This is all by decree. The same people who are so eager to let them ban women and white people on account of their inferiority and inability to cope with modern society are hardly going to let them do whatever they want with it.

I did not manufacture this reality Karnal. I am just telling you what it is.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


The courts determined otherwise, FD.  Roll Eyes


No they didn't. The whole private property moral equivalence is a desperate self delusion by politically correct racists who are afraid to consider the real reason why they think what they do. That is why the facts are irrelevant to you and why you keep repeating the same convenient lies.

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Yes, but it's all about race for you, Homo, you acknowledge that.


If there is some other reason why you think Aborigines are inferior, please share. The only person who has actually admitted what they really think is master light, who explained that women should be banned from lakes and mountains because they are more open to demonic attack.
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Reply #495 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:34am
 
[quote author=freediver link=1571992978/494#494 date=1572730310]
They do not own it because they do not own it. They do not have private property rights over it. This is all by decree. The same people who are so eager to let them ban women and white people on account of their inferiority and inability to cope with modern society are hardly going to let them do whatever they want with it. [quote]

Please explain how this is not a manufactured comment. You've  simply made all of it up

Oh, i suspect it is to suit your racism. .

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freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:31am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:02pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


That's what I said. You're much more respectful, FD.

You think they don't own it because they're animals.

All part of our diverse native flora and fauna, no?

Why did you change it from apes to elephants?


They do not own it because they do not own it. They do not have private property rights over it. This is all by decree. The same people who are so eager to let them ban women and white people on account of their inferiority and inability to cope with modern society are hardly going to let them do whatever they want with it.

I did not manufacture this reality Karnal. I am just telling you what it is.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


The courts determined otherwise, FD.  Roll Eyes


No they didn't. The whole private property moral equivalence is a desperate self delusion by politically correct racists who are afraid to consider the real reason why they think what they do. That is why the facts are irrelevant to you and why you keep repeating the same convenient lies.


Don't worry about it. The sacred walk will be open again at some point down the track. For a fee of course.
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Reply #497 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:47am
 
crocodile wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:44am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:31am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:02pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


That's what I said. You're much more respectful, FD.

You think they don't own it because they're animals.

All part of our diverse native flora and fauna, no?

Why did you change it from apes to elephants?


They do not own it because they do not own it. They do not have private property rights over it. This is all by decree. The same people who are so eager to let them ban women and white people on account of their inferiority and inability to cope with modern society are hardly going to let them do whatever they want with it.

I did not manufacture this reality Karnal. I am just telling you what it is.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


The courts determined otherwise, FD.  Roll Eyes


No they didn't. The whole private property moral equivalence is a desperate self delusion by politically correct racists who are afraid to consider the real reason why they think what they do. That is why the facts are irrelevant to you and why you keep repeating the same convenient lies.


Don't worry about it. The sacred walk will be open again at some point down the track. For a fee of course.



You know it's attracted a fee for years and years,, yeah?
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I'd love to see the passion people are showing for the great national treasure of Uluru to be spread out to love of the Great Barrier Reef.


Somehow, Adani doesn't quite invoke the fury that our Indigenous d to more than a few Australians .. heavily represented on Ozpol.
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silliness of this thread is..

the ROCK will still be there in another 150.000 years.....

no matter what its name is or what it will be...

maybe this "age" will go down in history as

the Whinging Whining Bitter era.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:34am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:31am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:02pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


That's what I said. You're much more respectful, FD.

You think they don't own it because they're animals.

All part of our diverse native flora and fauna, no?

Why did you change it from apes to elephants?


They do not own it because they do not own it. They do not have private property rights over it. This is all by decree. The same people who are so eager to let them ban women and white people on account of their inferiority and inability to cope with modern society are hardly going to let them do whatever they want with it.

I did not manufacture this reality Karnal. I am just telling you what it is.


Well that all sounded profoundly manufactured.


They do not have private property rights over Uluru. You'll have to find another smokescreen for your racism.

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So let us know when the Aborigines try to ban women from snorkeling on the reef.

Mothra do you actually support the decision by Aboriginal appointees to ban all women from the rock?
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Reply #501 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:14am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:31am:
They do not own it because they do not own it. They do not have private property rights over it. This is all by decree. The same people who are so eager to let them ban women and white people on account of their inferiority and inability to cope with modern society are hardly going to let them do whatever they want with it.


Please explain how this is not a manufactured comment. You've  simply made all of it up

Oh, i suspect it is to suit your racism. .
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Mothra do you actually support the decision by unelected Aboriginal appointees to ban all women from Ayers rock?

Or have you not been told what to think on that issue yet?
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freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:16am:
Mothra do you actually support the decision by unelected Aboriginal appointees to ban all women from Ayers rock?


mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:14am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:31am:
They do not own it because they do not own it. They do not have private property rights over it. This is all by decree. The same people who are so eager to let them ban women and white people on account of their inferiority and inability to cope with modern society are hardly going to let them do whatever they want with it.


Please explain how this is not a manufactured comment. You've  simply made all of it up

Oh, i suspect it is to suit your racism. .


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Reply #504 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:18am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:16am:
Mothra do you actually support the decision by unelected Aboriginal appointees to ban all women from Ayers rock?

Or have you not been told what to think on that issue yet?



Women aren't banned from Uluru.
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Reply #505 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:19am
 
It is a statement of fact Mothra. The Aborigines do not have private property rights over Ayers rock. I am not sure how to dumb it down any more for you. The private property delusions is just a smokescreen for your racism. Hence your refusal to think about it.

Mothra do you actually support the decision by unelected Aboriginal appointees to ban all women from Ayers rock?

Or have you not been told what to think on that issue yet?
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Reply #506 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:21am
 
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Another delusional smokescreen for your racism. All women are banned from Uluru. The appointed Aborigines will only allow men to climb Ayers rock from now on. Not wanting it to be true and refusing to think about it won't make it go away Mothra.
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Reply #507 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:21am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:19am:
It is a statement of fact Mothra. The Aborigines do not have private property rights over Ayers rock. I am not sure how to dumb it down any more for you. The private property delusions is just a smokescreen for your racism. Hence your refusal to think about it.

Mothra do you actually support the decision by unelected Aboriginal appointees to ban all women from Ayers rock?

Or have you not been told what to think on that issue yet?



Women aren't banned from Uluru. Nobody is banned from Uluru.
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Reply #508 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:22am
 
Assuming you are a woman Mothra, there is no chance that you would ever be allowed on it. You are banned. Not wanting it to be true and refusing to think about it won't make it go away Mothra.

Such are the delusional lengths that closet PC racists will go to to avoid any self reflection.
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Reply #509 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:23am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:21am:
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Women aren't banned from Uluru.


Another delusional smokescreen for your racism. All women are banned from Uluru. The appointed Aborigines will only allow men to climb Ayers rock from now on. Not wanting it to be true and refusing to think about it won't make it go away Mothra.


Oh you mean climbing? Women and everybody else can syill go there, right? Walk right uop and touchit and stuff?

Are you finding your hysteria over this stimulating in some way? Are you pleased when you come on here and see all the foul racism?

Is  that why you built this board?
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Reply #510 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:26am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:22am:
Assuming you are a woman Mothra, there is no chance that you would ever be allowed on it. You are banned. Not wanting it to be true and refusing to think about it won't make it go away Mothra.

Such are the delusional lengths that closet PC racists will go to to avoid any self reflection.



I can still go there. I can walk right up and touch it.

Pity about all the people abusing the climbing privileges. All that disrespect and vandalism. Seems they spoiled it #for the vanishing few who actually want to climb it anyway.
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Reply #511 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:37am
 
You are not allowed to climb it Mothra. No women are. Do you support the ban on women?

No more excuses now. You are allowed to think for yourself, remember.
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Reply #512 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:41am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:37am:
You are not allowed to climb it Mothra. No women are. Do you support the ban on women?

No more excuses now. You are allowed to think for yourself, remember.



I understand women's and men's land in Aboriginal culture, FD. Do you?

And why would i want to climb it if it upsets people?
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Reply #513 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:42am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:41am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:37am:
You are not allowed to climb it Mothra. No women are. Do you support the ban on women?

No more excuses now. You are allowed to think for yourself, remember.



I understand women's and men's land in Aboriginal culture, FD. Do you?

And why would i want to climb it if it upsets people?


You are so understanding you are afraid of what you think.

Do you support the ban on women?
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Reply #514 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:43am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:42am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:41am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:37am:
You are not allowed to climb it Mothra. No women are. Do you support the ban on women?

No more excuses now. You are allowed to think for yourself, remember.



I understand women's and men's land in Aboriginal culture, FD. Do you?

And why would i want to climb it if it upsets people?


You are so understanding you are afraid of what you think.

Do you support the ban on women?


It's not a ban on women. Stop being hysterical.
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Reply #515 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:44am
 
Are you aware that in Aboriginal culture, there is man's land and women's land? Are you championing the rights of men to travel on women's land?
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Reply #516 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:46am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:43am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:42am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:41am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:37am:
You are not allowed to climb it Mothra. No women are. Do you support the ban on women?

No more excuses now. You are allowed to think for yourself, remember.



I understand women's and men's land in Aboriginal culture, FD. Do you?

And why would i want to climb it if it upsets people?


You are so understanding you are afraid of what you think.

Do you support the ban on women?


It's not a ban on women. Stop being hysterical.


Women are not allowed on the rock Mothra. Even if they are the correct race. Why are you so afraid of your own opinion? Master light is more than happy to admit he thinks women should be banned from certain lakes and mountains because they are more open to demonic attack. What is your opinion?

Do you support the ban on women?
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Reply #517 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:47am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:44am:
Are you aware that in Aboriginal culture, there is man's land and women's land? Are you championing the rights of men to travel on women's land?


Good point......
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Reply #518 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:48am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:26am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:22am:
Assuming you are a woman Mothra, there is no chance that you would ever be allowed on it. You are banned. Not wanting it to be true and refusing to think about it won't make it go away Mothra.

Such are the delusional lengths that closet PC racists will go to to avoid any self reflection.



I can still go there. I can walk right up and touch it.

Pity about all the people abusing the climbing privileges. All that disrespect and vandalism. Seems they spoiled it #for the vanishing few who actually want to climb it anyway.


Please provide detail.....
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Reply #519 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:49am
 
Disrespect and vandalism is not the real reason. It is a smokescreen to allow people to avoid thinking about their own racism.
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Reply #520 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:49am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:18am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:16am:
Mothra do you actually support the decision by unelected Aboriginal appointees to ban all women from Ayers rock?

Or have you not been told what to think on that issue yet?



Women aren't banned from Uluru.


Not at all - the poor darlings are just too weak to climb it, in Aboriginal culture, and their place is kitchen rock, kids and remote viewing religious stuff ... very outdated that kind of thinking...
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Reply #521 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:50am
 
I think the women also get the base of that cliff to themselves, where the men urinate off when they are on top.
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Reply #522 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:50am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:49am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:18am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:16am:
Mothra do you actually support the decision by unelected Aboriginal appointees to ban all women from Ayers rock?

Or have you not been told what to think on that issue yet?



Women aren't banned from Uluru.


Not at all - the poor darlings are just too weak to climb it, in Aboriginal culture, and their place is kitchen rock, kids and remote viewing religious stuff ... very outdated that kind of thinking...



It's little wonder you're as bigoted as you are with so poor an understanding.
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Reply #523 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:51am
 
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Disrespect and vandalism is not the real reason. It is a smokescreen to allow people to avoid thinking about their own racism.



I honestly don't think you could be more ridiculous.
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Reply #524 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:52am
 
Mothra do you support the ban on women or not? Don't be afraid of your own opinion now.
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Reply #525 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:53am
 
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Mothra do you support the ban on women or not? Don't be afraid of your own opinion now.



There is no ban on women. How many times do you want me to say it?
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Reply #526 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:55am
 
what is the punishment if a women even an aboriginal one decides   bugger it I will climb the bloody thing

it seem to have you fired up fd.....kind of puts equality in perspective wouldnt you say?.. Wink Wink

here we are dragging the Arabs into the 21st century.. and our aboriginal chums seem to be in reverse......

rather sad...I am not sure why it is necessary for even the men to be allowed to climb it...what is so special about the MEN?
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Reply #527 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:05am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:53am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:52am:
Mothra do you support the ban on women or not? Don't be afraid of your own opinion now.



There is no ban on women. How many times do you want me to say it?


Women are banned from climbing the rock. Why are you so afraid of your opinion about that?

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here we are dragging the Arabs into the 21st century.. and our aboriginal chums seem to be in reverse......

rather sad...I am not sure why it is necessary for even the men to be allowed to climb it...what is so special about the MEN?


It's their tradition cods. I'm sure mothra will be along shortly to offer excuses for keeping women out of boardrooms, so long as they are in charge of the kitchen. After all, it's not really a ban if they let the female cleaners into the boardroom after the meetings. Is that right Mothra? Or do you expect higher standards from white people?
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Reply #528 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:05am
 
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:55am:
what is the punishment if a women even an aboriginal one decides   bugger it I will climb the bloody thing

it seem to have you fired up fd.....kind of puts equality in perspective wouldnt you say?.. Wink Wink

here we are dragging the Arabs into the 21st century.. and our aboriginal chums seem to be in reverse......

rather sad...I am not sure why it is necessary for even the men to be allowed to climb it...what is so special about the MEN?



Cods, in Aboriginal culture, there is land that is for men and land that is for women.

Uluru just happens to be  men's business.
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Reply #529 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:07am
 
Just like some people happen to believe that a woman's place is in the kitchen.

Do you have an opinion on any of this Mothra? I am interested to know whether you are afraid of having an opinion or if you are merely afraid to share it. Do you think cods is out of place for offering her opinion?
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Reply #530 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:14am
 
Sorry FD, you're just too ridiculous to discuss anything with, Thought i'd give you another go ... i've thought otherwise since.



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Reply #531 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:32am
 
Mothra it is perfectly natural for you to get emotional rather than self reflect, but sooner or later you will have to stop being so irrational.

I'll try an easier example, what is your opinion of traditional men who think that a woman's place is in the kitchen?
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Reply #532 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:33am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:47am:
crocodile wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:44am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:31am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:02pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


That's what I said. You're much more respectful, FD.

You think they don't own it because they're animals.

All part of our diverse native flora and fauna, no?

Why did you change it from apes to elephants?


They do not own it because they do not own it. They do not have private property rights over it. This is all by decree. The same people who are so eager to let them ban women and white people on account of their inferiority and inability to cope with modern society are hardly going to let them do whatever they want with it.

I did not manufacture this reality Karnal. I am just telling you what it is.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


The courts determined otherwise, FD.  Roll Eyes


No they didn't. The whole private property moral equivalence is a desperate self delusion by politically correct racists who are afraid to consider the real reason why they think what they do. That is why the facts are irrelevant to you and why you keep repeating the same convenient lies.


Don't worry about it. The sacred walk will be open again at some point down the track. For a fee of course.



You know it's attracted a fee for years and years,, yeah?

There was no fee for climbing when I was last there. Fees for park entry, camping etc but not for climbing.
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mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:05am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:55am:
what is the punishment if a women even an aboriginal one decides   bugger it I will climb the bloody thing

it seem to have you fired up fd.....kind of puts equality in perspective wouldnt you say?.. Wink Wink

here we are dragging the Arabs into the 21st century.. and our aboriginal chums seem to be in reverse......

rather sad...I am not sure why it is necessary for even the men to be allowed to climb it...what is so special about the MEN?



Cods, in Aboriginal culture, there is land that is for men and land that is for women.

Uluru just happens to be  men's business.




can you show where that is so?...or is it something that has just been invented.......culture  is something that really never changes  Roll Eyes but yes it does.....our [white] culture has change d a huge amount..  thankfully

whilst we still have boys schools and girls school..

neither sex if forbidden  to enter those establishments...

in fact we whites are trying to make equality even more equal.. Roll Eyes

I went past a unisex toilet the other day... I thought!   nahhhh   I am not ready for that and kept walking...

it is after all my choice....and so it should be for those ladies who are forbidden to climb the rock...

they are not making a choice they are being told.... I see a difference there thats all.
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cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:53am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:05am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:55am:
what is the punishment if a women even an aboriginal one decides   bugger it I will climb the bloody thing

it seem to have you fired up fd.....kind of puts equality in perspective wouldnt you say?.. Wink Wink

here we are dragging the Arabs into the 21st century.. and our aboriginal chums seem to be in reverse......

rather sad...I am not sure why it is necessary for even the men to be allowed to climb it...what is so special about the MEN?



Cods, in Aboriginal culture, there is land that is for men and land that is for women.

Uluru just happens to be  men's business.




can you show where that is so?...or is it something that has just been invented.......culture  is something that really never changes  Roll Eyes but yes it does.....our [white] culture has change d a huge amount..  thankfully

whilst we still have boys schools and girls school..

neither sex if forbidden  to enter those establishments...

in fact we whites are trying to make equality even more equal.. Roll Eyes

I went past a unisex toilet the other day... I thought!   nahhhh   I am not ready for that and kept walking...

it is after all my choice....and so it should be for those ladies who are forbidden to climb the rock...

they are not making a choice they are being told.... I see a difference there thats all.




How can i make that fact that there are men's lands and women's lands any clearer?

I honestly don't think i can.

Anangu women don't want to climb Uluru, Cods. They have their own spaces.
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mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:58am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:53am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:05am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:55am:
what is the punishment if a women even an aboriginal one decides   bugger it I will climb the bloody thing

it seem to have you fired up fd.....kind of puts equality in perspective wouldnt you say?.. Wink Wink

here we are dragging the Arabs into the 21st century.. and our aboriginal chums seem to be in reverse......

rather sad...I am not sure why it is necessary for even the men to be allowed to climb it...what is so special about the MEN?



Cods, in Aboriginal culture, there is land that is for men and land that is for women.

Uluru just happens to be  men's business.




can you show where that is so?...or is it something that has just been invented.......culture  is something that really never changes  Roll Eyes but yes it does.....our [white] culture has change d a huge amount..  thankfully

whilst we still have boys schools and girls school..

neither sex if forbidden  to enter those establishments...

in fact we whites are trying to make equality even more equal.. Roll Eyes

I went past a unisex toilet the other day... I thought!   nahhhh   I am not ready for that and kept walking...

it is after all my choice....and so it should be for those ladies who are forbidden to climb the rock...

they are not making a choice they are being told.... I see a difference there thats all.




How can i make that fact that there are men's lands and women's lands any clearer?

I honestly don't think i can.

Anangu women don't want to climb Uluru, Cods. They have their own spaces.



you are of course talking NOW...women to my mind are evolving at a great rate at this time.....aboriginal women are no acception     at the end of the day  this ruling was made by MEN with no consultation .... as women have been climbing the rock since it was first allowed............this no women...seems to me to be a new invention...


where is it said that Anangu women do not wish to climb the rock??..... where they asked do you know?
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mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:05am:
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what is the punishment if a women even an aboriginal one decides   bugger it I will climb the bloody thing

it seem to have you fired up fd.....kind of puts equality in perspective wouldnt you say?.. Wink Wink

here we are dragging the Arabs into the 21st century.. and our aboriginal chums seem to be in reverse......

rather sad...I am not sure why it is necessary for even the men to be allowed to climb it...what is so special about the MEN?



Cods, in Aboriginal culture, there is land that is for men and land that is for women.

Uluru just happens to be  men's business.




can you show where that is so?...or is it something that has just been invented.......culture  is something that really never changes  Roll Eyes but yes it does.....our [white] culture has change d a huge amount..  thankfully

whilst we still have boys schools and girls school..

neither sex if forbidden  to enter those establishments...

in fact we whites are trying to make equality even more equal.. Roll Eyes

I went past a unisex toilet the other day... I thought!   nahhhh   I am not ready for that and kept walking...

it is after all my choice....and so it should be for those ladies who are forbidden to climb the rock...

they are not making a choice they are being told.... I see a difference there thats all.




How can i make that fact that there are men's lands and women's lands any clearer?

I honestly don't think i can.

Anangu women don't want to climb Uluru, Cods. They have their own spaces.



you are of course talking NOW...women to my mind are evolving at a great rate at this time.....aboriginal women are no acception     at the end of the day  this ruling was made by MEN with no consultation .... as women have been climbing the rock since it was first allowed............this no women...seems to me to be a new invention...


where is it said that Anangu women do not wish to climb the rock??..... where they asked do you know?




Why are you not championing the rights for men to go on women's territory?
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Reply #537 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:17am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:58am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:53am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:05am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:55am:
what is the punishment if a women even an aboriginal one decides   bugger it I will climb the bloody thing

it seem to have you fired up fd.....kind of puts equality in perspective wouldnt you say?.. Wink Wink

here we are dragging the Arabs into the 21st century.. and our aboriginal chums seem to be in reverse......

rather sad...I am not sure why it is necessary for even the men to be allowed to climb it...what is so special about the MEN?



Cods, in Aboriginal culture, there is land that is for men and land that is for women.

Uluru just happens to be  men's business.




can you show where that is so?...or is it something that has just been invented.......culture  is something that really never changes  Roll Eyes but yes it does.....our [white] culture has change d a huge amount..  thankfully

whilst we still have boys schools and girls school..

neither sex if forbidden  to enter those establishments...

in fact we whites are trying to make equality even more equal.. Roll Eyes

I went past a unisex toilet the other day... I thought!   nahhhh   I am not ready for that and kept walking...

it is after all my choice....and so it should be for those ladies who are forbidden to climb the rock...

they are not making a choice they are being told.... I see a difference there thats all.




How can i make that fact that there are men's lands and women's lands any clearer?

I honestly don't think i can.

Anangu women don't want to climb Uluru, Cods. They have their own spaces.


Yup, right next to the petrol tin.

I've seen a pregnant woman sitting next to her mother with a petrol tin tied around her face. I've also seen mothers pushing prams with petrol tins tied around their face," he said.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/uluru-girls-swap-sex-for-petrol-inquest-told-200...

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Reply #538 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:22am
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:17am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:58am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:53am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:05am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:55am:
what is the punishment if a women even an aboriginal one decides   bugger it I will climb the bloody thing

it seem to have you fired up fd.....kind of puts equality in perspective wouldnt you say?.. Wink Wink

here we are dragging the Arabs into the 21st century.. and our aboriginal chums seem to be in reverse......

rather sad...I am not sure why it is necessary for even the men to be allowed to climb it...what is so special about the MEN?



Cods, in Aboriginal culture, there is land that is for men and land that is for women.

Uluru just happens to be  men's business.




can you show where that is so?...or is it something that has just been invented.......culture  is something that really never changes  Roll Eyes but yes it does.....our [white] culture has change d a huge amount..  thankfully

whilst we still have boys schools and girls school..

neither sex if forbidden  to enter those establishments...

in fact we whites are trying to make equality even more equal.. Roll Eyes

I went past a unisex toilet the other day... I thought!   nahhhh   I am not ready for that and kept walking...

it is after all my choice....and so it should be for those ladies who are forbidden to climb the rock...

they are not making a choice they are being told.... I see a difference there thats all.




How can i make that fact that there are men's lands and women's lands any clearer?

I honestly don't think i can.

Anangu women don't want to climb Uluru, Cods. They have their own spaces.


Yup, right next to the petrol tin.

I've seen a pregnant woman sitting next to her mother with a petrol tin tied around her face. I've also seen mothers pushing prams with petrol tins tied around their face," he said.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/uluru-girls-swap-sex-for-petrol-inquest-told-200...




There are worst case scenarios for every demographic.

Your persistence in pimping certain ones for certain folks is well known.

Perspective is a funny thing though. From where i stand, you're a stunning example of the rules you apply to others.
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I remember as a boy, been taken to Uluru way back in the day. We camped in big heavy canvas tents with bunks, as there was a big mob of us Whiteys. It was more cost effect by travelling around in a large troop of relos and friends. Quite a few Amateur Radio enthusiasts had come along with their kids.

We could camp anywhere back then and when the local Boongs came along to say hello and enjoy a beer and barbie (adults). Nothing was said but the Boongs made us feel welcomed to a shared experience of being there. Fifty odd people coming together and they Boongs listened in wonder to the sound of 'Soviet' voices coming like Skip on the Radio like a cautionary accent. Or to an 'arranged' Boong in a tent on the far side of Uluru with another Radio. Hey - technology is always new to us, just as it is to them. It was enjoyed by all.
So much fun back then.

...then the Rules and Regulations started coming in and money was the new 'experience' to be had there and the Division Bell rang for 'Retail' to capitalise.  Roll Eyes All about 'jobs' you see, not 'Free' Recreational. You needed to pay for a Permit to pitch a tent. They were cashing in on Happiness. Can't have Whiteys and Boongs getting on in a friendly and responsible manner... like they used to.
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I remember as a boy, been taken to Uluru way back in the day. We camped in big heavy canvas tents with bunks, as there was a big mob of us Whiteys. It was more cost effect by travelling around in a large troop of relos and friends. Quite a few Amateur Radio enthusiasts had come along with their kids.

We could camp anywhere back then and when the local Boongs came along to say hello and enjoy a beer and barbie (adults). Nothing was said but the Boongs made us feel welcomed to a shared experience of being there. Fifty odd people coming together and they Boongs listened in wonder to the sound of 'Soviet' voices coming like Skip on the Radio like a cautionary accent. Or to an 'arranged' Boong in a tent on the far side of Uluru with another Radio. Hey - technology is always new to us, just as it is to them. It was enjoyed by all.
So much fun back then.

...then the Rules and Regulations started coming in and money was the new 'experience' to be had there and the Division Bell rang for 'Retail' to capitalise.  Roll Eyes All about 'jobs' you see, not 'Free' Recreational. You needed to pay for a Permit to pitch a tent. They were cashing in on Happiness. Can't have Whiteys and Boongs getting on in a friendly and responsible manner... like they used to.

Did you or any of your party walk on the rock Jasin?
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Reply #542 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 11:20am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:58am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:53am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:05am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:55am:
what is the punishment if a women even an aboriginal one decides   bugger it I will climb the bloody thing

it seem to have you fired up fd.....kind of puts equality in perspective wouldnt you say?.. Wink Wink

here we are dragging the Arabs into the 21st century.. and our aboriginal chums seem to be in reverse......

rather sad...I am not sure why it is necessary for even the men to be allowed to climb it...what is so special about the MEN?



Cods, in Aboriginal culture, there is land that is for men and land that is for women.

Uluru just happens to be  men's business.




can you show where that is so?...or is it something that has just been invented.......culture  is something that really never changes  Roll Eyes but yes it does.....our [white] culture has change d a huge amount..  thankfully

whilst we still have boys schools and girls school..

neither sex if forbidden  to enter those establishments...

in fact we whites are trying to make equality even more equal.. Roll Eyes

I went past a unisex toilet the other day... I thought!   nahhhh   I am not ready for that and kept walking...

it is after all my choice....and so it should be for those ladies who are forbidden to climb the rock...

they are not making a choice they are being told.... I see a difference there thats all.




How can i make that fact that there are men's lands and women's lands any clearer?

I honestly don't think i can.

Anangu women don't want to climb Uluru, Cods. They have their own spaces.


We know you can offer endless excuses Mothra. But why are you afraid to offer an opinion? Do you allow yourself to have one?

freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:32am:
Mothra it is perfectly natural for you to get emotional rather than self reflect, but sooner or later you will have to stop being so irrational.

I'll try an easier example, what is your opinion of traditional men who think that a woman's place is in the kitchen?


Also, on what basis do you offer us the opinion of Anungu women? Are they too inferior to think for themselves, so they need an intelligent white feminist to let everyone know it's OK to ban them from the rock because they don't want to climb it anyway? And if they are so inferior, why are they allowed an opinion but you are not?
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freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:31am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:02pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


That's what I said. You're much more respectful, FD.

You think they don't own it because they're animals.

All part of our diverse native flora and fauna, no?

Why did you change it from apes to elephants?


They do not own it because they do not own it. They do not have private property rights over it. This is all by decree. The same people who are so eager to let them ban women and white people on account of their inferiority and inability to cope with modern society are hardly going to let them do whatever they want with it.

I did not manufacture this reality Karnal. I am just telling you what it is.



incorrect freediver ,

the sign is posted and thats what it is ..

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Reply #544 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 11:25am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:09am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:34am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:31am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:02pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


That's what I said. You're much more respectful, FD.

You think they don't own it because they're animals.

All part of our diverse native flora and fauna, no?

Why did you change it from apes to elephants?


They do not own it because they do not own it. They do not have private property rights over it. This is all by decree. The same people who are so eager to let them ban women and white people on account of their inferiority and inability to cope with modern society are hardly going to let them do whatever they want with it.

I did not manufacture this reality Karnal. I am just telling you what it is.


Well that all sounded profoundly manufactured.


They do not have private property rights over Uluru. You'll have to find another smokescreen for your racism.



the owners have spoken, facts matter ,

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Reply #545 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 11:28am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:46am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:43am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:42am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:41am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:37am:
You are not allowed to climb it Mothra. No women are. Do you support the ban on women?

No more excuses now. You are allowed to think for yourself, remember.



I understand women's and men's land in Aboriginal culture, FD. Do you?

And why would i want to climb it if it upsets people?


You are so understanding you are afraid of what you think.

Do you support the ban on women?


It's not a ban on women. Stop being hysterical.


Women are not allowed on the rock Mothra. Even if they are the correct race. Why are you so afraid of your own opinion? Master light is more than happy to admit he thinks women should be banned from certain lakes and mountains because they are more open to demonic attack. What is your opinion?

Do you support the ban on women?


its not a matter of what I think Freediver ,

its native law for that specific reason
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"Climb closed due to permanent closure."

Thanks light. That explains everything. As a white person, can you explain to Mothra how women should be banned from the rock because they are more open to demonic attack? Can they shield themselves from such attack in any way, for example by wearing underwear?
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freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 11:30am:
"Climb closed due to permanent closure."

Thanks light. That explains everything. As a white person, can you explain to Mothra how women should be banned from the rock because they are more open to demonic attack? Can they shield themselves from such attack in any way, for example by wearing underwear?


the men protect the women in that spiritual regard ,

and the women can see in the spirit realms where men are not so adept ..

60,000+ year old science type stuff so of and in due course you are ignorant quite rightly so ..

which is totally ok and cool so be at peace
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Thanks for explaining that, FD.

Why do you think the Boongs and their apologists won't accept that?
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Women aren't banned from Uluru.


Another delusional smokescreen for your racism. All women are banned from Uluru. The appointed Aborigines will only allow men to climb Ayers rock from now on. Not wanting it to be true and refusing to think about it won't make it go away Mothra.


Oh you mean climbing? Women and everybody else can syill go there, right? Walk right uop and touchit and stuff?

Are you finding your hysteria over this stimulating in some way? Are you pleased when you come on here and see all the foul racism?

Is  that why you built this board?


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"Climb closed due to permanent closure."

Thanks light. That explains everything.


They closed it because they do not own it (because they do not own it).

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freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 11:30am:
"Climb closed due to permanent closure."

Thanks light. That explains everything. As a white person, can you explain to Mothra how women should be banned from the rock because they are more open to demonic attack? Can they shield themselves from such attack in any way, for example by wearing underwear?


the men protect the women in that spiritual regard ,

and the women can see in the spirit realms where men are not so adept ..

60,000+ year old science type stuff so of and in due course you are ignorant quite rightly so ..

which is totally ok and cool so be at peace


So the men protect the women by going for a hike on Uluru, and the women play their part by visiting the secret yam grounds?
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freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 11:46am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 11:34am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 11:30am:
"Climb closed due to permanent closure."

Thanks light. That explains everything. As a white person, can you explain to Mothra how women should be banned from the rock because they are more open to demonic attack? Can they shield themselves from such attack in any way, for example by wearing underwear?


the men protect the women in that spiritual regard ,

and the women can see in the spirit realms where men are not so adept ..

60,000+ year old science type stuff so of and in due course you are ignorant quite rightly so ..

which is totally ok and cool so be at peace


So the men protect the women by going for a hike on Uluru, and the women play their part by visiting the secret yam grounds?



your reality has been explained unto thee ..

and as such, ye may continue suffering in thine jocks , or wipe your tears .. yet ether way

stay off ULURU .

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mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:11am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:06am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:58am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:53am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:05am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:55am:
what is the punishment if a women even an aboriginal one decides   bugger it I will climb the bloody thing

it seem to have you fired up fd.....kind of puts equality in perspective wouldnt you say?.. Wink Wink

here we are dragging the Arabs into the 21st century.. and our aboriginal chums seem to be in reverse......

rather sad...I am not sure why it is necessary for even the men to be allowed to climb it...what is so special about the MEN?



Cods, in Aboriginal culture, there is land that is for men and land that is for women.

Uluru just happens to be  men's business.




can you show where that is so?...or is it something that has just been invented.......culture  is something that really never changes  Roll Eyes but yes it does.....our [white] culture has change d a huge amount..  thankfully

whilst we still have boys schools and girls school..

neither sex if forbidden  to enter those establishments...

in fact we whites are trying to make equality even more equal.. Roll Eyes

I went past a unisex toilet the other day... I thought!   nahhhh   I am not ready for that and kept walking...

it is after all my choice....and so it should be for those ladies who are forbidden to climb the rock...

they are not making a choice they are being told.... I see a difference there thats all.




How can i make that fact that there are men's lands and women's lands any clearer?

I honestly don't think i can.

Anangu women don't want to climb Uluru, Cods. They have their own spaces.



you are of course talking NOW...women to my mind are evolving at a great rate at this time.....aboriginal women are no acception     at the end of the day  this ruling was made by MEN with no consultation .... as women have been climbing the rock since it was first allowed............this no women...seems to me to be a new invention...


where is it said that Anangu women do not wish to climb the rock??..... where they asked do you know?




Why are you not championing the rights for men to go on women's territory?




because this thread..is about

ABORIGINAL WOMEN NOT BEING ALLOWED TO CLIMB THE ROCK   BUT THE MEN ARE..


maybe thats why mothra..... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes I am surprised I have to point that out..  may I ask

WHY IS  AN ADMITTED FEMINIST NOT UP IN ARMS REGARDING

WOMEN BEING BANNED AFTER YEARS OF ALLOWING IT.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


suddenly women are singled out to NOT BE ALLOWED TO CLIMB THE ROCK.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

why are you championing the men on this one mothra?

Smiley Smiley


seems a bit odd for a well known feminist...
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Reply #555 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:09pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:03pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 11:46am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 11:34am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 11:30am:
"Climb closed due to permanent closure."

Thanks light. That explains everything. As a white person, can you explain to Mothra how women should be banned from the rock because they are more open to demonic attack? Can they shield themselves from such attack in any way, for example by wearing underwear?


the men protect the women in that spiritual regard ,

and the women can see in the spirit realms where men are not so adept ..

60,000+ year old science type stuff so of and in due course you are ignorant quite rightly so ..

which is totally ok and cool so be at peace


So the men protect the women by going for a hike on Uluru, and the women play their part by visiting the secret yam grounds?



your reality has been explained unto thee ..

and as such, ye may continue suffering in thine jocks , or wipe your tears .. yet ether way

stay off ULURU .

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Reply #556 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:15pm
 
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:06pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:11am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:06am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:58am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:53am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:05am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:55am:
what is the punishment if a women even an aboriginal one decides   bugger it I will climb the bloody thing

it seem to have you fired up fd.....kind of puts equality in perspective wouldnt you say?.. Wink Wink

here we are dragging the Arabs into the 21st century.. and our aboriginal chums seem to be in reverse......

rather sad...I am not sure why it is necessary for even the men to be allowed to climb it...what is so special about the MEN?



Cods, in Aboriginal culture, there is land that is for men and land that is for women.

Uluru just happens to be  men's business.




can you show where that is so?...or is it something that has just been invented.......culture  is something that really never changes  Roll Eyes but yes it does.....our [white] culture has change d a huge amount..  thankfully

whilst we still have boys schools and girls school..

neither sex if forbidden  to enter those establishments...

in fact we whites are trying to make equality even more equal.. Roll Eyes

I went past a unisex toilet the other day... I thought!   nahhhh   I am not ready for that and kept walking...

it is after all my choice....and so it should be for those ladies who are forbidden to climb the rock...

they are not making a choice they are being told.... I see a difference there thats all.




How can i make that fact that there are men's lands and women's lands any clearer?

I honestly don't think i can.

Anangu women don't want to climb Uluru, Cods. They have their own spaces.



you are of course talking NOW...women to my mind are evolving at a great rate at this time.....aboriginal women are no acception     at the end of the day  this ruling was made by MEN with no consultation .... as women have been climbing the rock since it was first allowed............this no women...seems to me to be a new invention...


where is it said that Anangu women do not wish to climb the rock??..... where they asked do you know?




Why are you not championing the rights for men to go on women's territory?




because this thread..is about

ABORIGINAL WOMEN NOT BEING ALLOWED TO CLIMB THE ROCK   BUT THE MEN ARE..


maybe thats why mothra..... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes I am surprised I have to point that out..  may I ask

WHY IS  AN ADMITTED FEMINIST NOT UP IN ARMS REGARDING

WOMEN BEING BANNED AFTER YEARS OF ALLOWING IT.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


suddenly women are singled out to NOT BE ALLOWED TO CLIMB THE ROCK.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

why are you championing the men on this one mothra?

Smiley Smiley


seems a bit odd for a well known feminist...


Good question, dear. Why aren't feminists allowed to participate in ancient male Boong rituals if they damn well choose?

You're a feminist, Cods. Aren't you enraged?
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Reply #557 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:17pm
 
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:06pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:11am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:06am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:58am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:53am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:05am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:55am:
what is the punishment if a women even an aboriginal one decides   bugger it I will climb the bloody thing

it seem to have you fired up fd.....kind of puts equality in perspective wouldnt you say?.. Wink Wink

here we are dragging the Arabs into the 21st century.. and our aboriginal chums seem to be in reverse......

rather sad...I am not sure why it is necessary for even the men to be allowed to climb it...what is so special about the MEN?



Cods, in Aboriginal culture, there is land that is for men and land that is for women.

Uluru just happens to be  men's business.




can you show where that is so?...or is it something that has just been invented.......culture  is something that really never changes  Roll Eyes but yes it does.....our [white] culture has change d a huge amount..  thankfully

whilst we still have boys schools and girls school..

neither sex if forbidden  to enter those establishments...

in fact we whites are trying to make equality even more equal.. Roll Eyes

I went past a unisex toilet the other day... I thought!   nahhhh   I am not ready for that and kept walking...

it is after all my choice....and so it should be for those ladies who are forbidden to climb the rock...

they are not making a choice they are being told.... I see a difference there thats all.




How can i make that fact that there are men's lands and women's lands any clearer?

I honestly don't think i can.

Anangu women don't want to climb Uluru, Cods. They have their own spaces.



you are of course talking NOW...women to my mind are evolving at a great rate at this time.....aboriginal women are no acception     at the end of the day  this ruling was made by MEN with no consultation .... as women have been climbing the rock since it was first allowed............this no women...seems to me to be a new invention...


where is it said that Anangu women do not wish to climb the rock??..... where they asked do you know?




Why are you not championing the rights for men to go on women's territory?




because this thread..is about

ABORIGINAL WOMEN NOT BEING ALLOWED TO CLIMB THE ROCK   BUT THE MEN ARE..


maybe thats why mothra..... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes I am surprised I have to point that out..  may I ask

WHY IS  AN ADMITTED FEMINIST NOT UP IN ARMS REGARDING

WOMEN BEING BANNED AFTER YEARS OF ALLOWING IT.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


suddenly women are singled out to NOT BE ALLOWED TO CLIMB THE ROCK.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

why are you championing the men on this one mothra?

Smiley Smiley


seems a bit odd for a well known feminist...


Seems a little bit hypocritical to me. Mind you, she also seems to have forgotten what the correct opinion is regarding men who say that a woman's place is in the kitchen. Maybe she's googling whether Aborigines have kitchens.
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Reply #558 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:17pm:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:06pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:11am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:06am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:58am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:53am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:05am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:55am:
what is the punishment if a women even an aboriginal one decides   bugger it I will climb the bloody thing

it seem to have you fired up fd.....kind of puts equality in perspective wouldnt you say?.. Wink Wink

here we are dragging the Arabs into the 21st century.. and our aboriginal chums seem to be in reverse......

rather sad...I am not sure why it is necessary for even the men to be allowed to climb it...what is so special about the MEN?



Cods, in Aboriginal culture, there is land that is for men and land that is for women.

Uluru just happens to be  men's business.




can you show where that is so?...or is it something that has just been invented.......culture  is something that really never changes  Roll Eyes but yes it does.....our [white] culture has change d a huge amount..  thankfully

whilst we still have boys schools and girls school..

neither sex if forbidden  to enter those establishments...

in fact we whites are trying to make equality even more equal.. Roll Eyes

I went past a unisex toilet the other day... I thought!   nahhhh   I am not ready for that and kept walking...

it is after all my choice....and so it should be for those ladies who are forbidden to climb the rock...

they are not making a choice they are being told.... I see a difference there thats all.




How can i make that fact that there are men's lands and women's lands any clearer?

I honestly don't think i can.

Anangu women don't want to climb Uluru, Cods. They have their own spaces.



you are of course talking NOW...women to my mind are evolving at a great rate at this time.....aboriginal women are no acception     at the end of the day  this ruling was made by MEN with no consultation .... as women have been climbing the rock since it was first allowed............this no women...seems to me to be a new invention...


where is it said that Anangu women do not wish to climb the rock??..... where they asked do you know?




Why are you not championing the rights for men to go on women's territory?




because this thread..is about

ABORIGINAL WOMEN NOT BEING ALLOWED TO CLIMB THE ROCK   BUT THE MEN ARE..


maybe thats why mothra..... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes I am surprised I have to point that out..  may I ask

WHY IS  AN ADMITTED FEMINIST NOT UP IN ARMS REGARDING

WOMEN BEING BANNED AFTER YEARS OF ALLOWING IT.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


suddenly women are singled out to NOT BE ALLOWED TO CLIMB THE ROCK.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

why are you championing the men on this one mothra?

Smiley Smiley


seems a bit odd for a well known feminist...


Seems a little bit hypocritical to me. Mind you, she also seems to have forgotten what the correct opinion is regarding men who say that a woman's place is in the kitchen. Maybe she's googling whether Aborigines have kitchens.


Don't they just eat the scraps their handlers shovel out?

Answer FD's question, Mothra. Do Boongs have kitchens?
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Reply #559 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:21pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:19pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:17pm:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:06pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:11am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:06am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:58am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:53am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:05am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:55am:
what is the punishment if a women even an aboriginal one decides   bugger it I will climb the bloody thing

it seem to have you fired up fd.....kind of puts equality in perspective wouldnt you say?.. Wink Wink

here we are dragging the Arabs into the 21st century.. and our aboriginal chums seem to be in reverse......

rather sad...I am not sure why it is necessary for even the men to be allowed to climb it...what is so special about the MEN?



Cods, in Aboriginal culture, there is land that is for men and land that is for women.

Uluru just happens to be  men's business.




can you show where that is so?...or is it something that has just been invented.......culture  is something that really never changes  Roll Eyes but yes it does.....our [white] culture has change d a huge amount..  thankfully

whilst we still have boys schools and girls school..

neither sex if forbidden  to enter those establishments...

in fact we whites are trying to make equality even more equal.. Roll Eyes

I went past a unisex toilet the other day... I thought!   nahhhh   I am not ready for that and kept walking...

it is after all my choice....and so it should be for those ladies who are forbidden to climb the rock...

they are not making a choice they are being told.... I see a difference there thats all.




How can i make that fact that there are men's lands and women's lands any clearer?

I honestly don't think i can.

Anangu women don't want to climb Uluru, Cods. They have their own spaces.



you are of course talking NOW...women to my mind are evolving at a great rate at this time.....aboriginal women are no acception     at the end of the day  this ruling was made by MEN with no consultation .... as women have been climbing the rock since it was first allowed............this no women...seems to me to be a new invention...


where is it said that Anangu women do not wish to climb the rock??..... where they asked do you know?




Why are you not championing the rights for men to go on women's territory?




because this thread..is about

ABORIGINAL WOMEN NOT BEING ALLOWED TO CLIMB THE ROCK   BUT THE MEN ARE..


maybe thats why mothra..... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes I am surprised I have to point that out..  may I ask

WHY IS  AN ADMITTED FEMINIST NOT UP IN ARMS REGARDING

WOMEN BEING BANNED AFTER YEARS OF ALLOWING IT.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


suddenly women are singled out to NOT BE ALLOWED TO CLIMB THE ROCK.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

why are you championing the men on this one mothra?

Smiley Smiley


seems a bit odd for a well known feminist...


Seems a little bit hypocritical to me. Mind you, she also seems to have forgotten what the correct opinion is regarding men who say that a woman's place is in the kitchen. Maybe she's googling whether Aborigines have kitchens.


Don't they just eat the scraps their handlers shovel out?


You cannot eat a rock Karnal. But I get your point.
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Reply #560 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:21pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:19pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:17pm:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:06pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:11am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:06am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:58am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:53am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:05am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:55am:
what is the punishment if a women even an aboriginal one decides   bugger it I will climb the bloody thing

it seem to have you fired up fd.....kind of puts equality in perspective wouldnt you say?.. Wink Wink

here we are dragging the Arabs into the 21st century.. and our aboriginal chums seem to be in reverse......

rather sad...I am not sure why it is necessary for even the men to be allowed to climb it...what is so special about the MEN?



Cods, in Aboriginal culture, there is land that is for men and land that is for women.

Uluru just happens to be  men's business.




can you show where that is so?...or is it something that has just been invented.......culture  is something that really never changes  Roll Eyes but yes it does.....our [white] culture has change d a huge amount..  thankfully

whilst we still have boys schools and girls school..

neither sex if forbidden  to enter those establishments...

in fact we whites are trying to make equality even more equal.. Roll Eyes

I went past a unisex toilet the other day... I thought!   nahhhh   I am not ready for that and kept walking...

it is after all my choice....and so it should be for those ladies who are forbidden to climb the rock...

they are not making a choice they are being told.... I see a difference there thats all.




How can i make that fact that there are men's lands and women's lands any clearer?

I honestly don't think i can.

Anangu women don't want to climb Uluru, Cods. They have their own spaces.



you are of course talking NOW...women to my mind are evolving at a great rate at this time.....aboriginal women are no acception     at the end of the day  this ruling was made by MEN with no consultation .... as women have been climbing the rock since it was first allowed............this no women...seems to me to be a new invention...


where is it said that Anangu women do not wish to climb the rock??..... where they asked do you know?




Why are you not championing the rights for men to go on women's territory?




because this thread..is about

ABORIGINAL WOMEN NOT BEING ALLOWED TO CLIMB THE ROCK   BUT THE MEN ARE..


maybe thats why mothra..... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes I am surprised I have to point that out..  may I ask

WHY IS  AN ADMITTED FEMINIST NOT UP IN ARMS REGARDING

WOMEN BEING BANNED AFTER YEARS OF ALLOWING IT.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


suddenly women are singled out to NOT BE ALLOWED TO CLIMB THE ROCK.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

why are you championing the men on this one mothra?

Smiley Smiley


seems a bit odd for a well known feminist...


Seems a little bit hypocritical to me. Mind you, she also seems to have forgotten what the correct opinion is regarding men who say that a woman's place is in the kitchen. Maybe she's googling whether Aborigines have kitchens.


Don't they just eat the scraps their handlers shovel out?


You cannot eat a rock Karnal. But I get your point.


Really? You think returning Ularu to traditional sacred-site status after 50 years of "I climbed the rock" bumper stickers is handing out scraps?

I think it's a little more significant than that, dear, but that's just me.
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Reply #561 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:35pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:21pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:19pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:17pm:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:06pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:11am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:06am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:58am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:53am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:05am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:55am:
what is the punishment if a women even an aboriginal one decides   bugger it I will climb the bloody thing

it seem to have you fired up fd.....kind of puts equality in perspective wouldnt you say?.. Wink Wink

here we are dragging the Arabs into the 21st century.. and our aboriginal chums seem to be in reverse......

rather sad...I am not sure why it is necessary for even the men to be allowed to climb it...what is so special about the MEN?



Cods, in Aboriginal culture, there is land that is for men and land that is for women.

Uluru just happens to be  men's business.




can you show where that is so?...or is it something that has just been invented.......culture  is something that really never changes  Roll Eyes but yes it does.....our [white] culture has change d a huge amount..  thankfully

whilst we still have boys schools and girls school..

neither sex if forbidden  to enter those establishments...

in fact we whites are trying to make equality even more equal.. Roll Eyes

I went past a unisex toilet the other day... I thought!   nahhhh   I am not ready for that and kept walking...

it is after all my choice....and so it should be for those ladies who are forbidden to climb the rock...

they are not making a choice they are being told.... I see a difference there thats all.




How can i make that fact that there are men's lands and women's lands any clearer?

I honestly don't think i can.

Anangu women don't want to climb Uluru, Cods. They have their own spaces.



you are of course talking NOW...women to my mind are evolving at a great rate at this time.....aboriginal women are no acception     at the end of the day  this ruling was made by MEN with no consultation .... as women have been climbing the rock since it was first allowed............this no women...seems to me to be a new invention...


where is it said that Anangu women do not wish to climb the rock??..... where they asked do you know?




Why are you not championing the rights for men to go on women's territory?




because this thread..is about

ABORIGINAL WOMEN NOT BEING ALLOWED TO CLIMB THE ROCK   BUT THE MEN ARE..


maybe thats why mothra..... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes I am surprised I have to point that out..  may I ask

WHY IS  AN ADMITTED FEMINIST NOT UP IN ARMS REGARDING

WOMEN BEING BANNED AFTER YEARS OF ALLOWING IT.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


suddenly women are singled out to NOT BE ALLOWED TO CLIMB THE ROCK.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

why are you championing the men on this one mothra?

Smiley Smiley


seems a bit odd for a well known feminist...


Seems a little bit hypocritical to me. Mind you, she also seems to have forgotten what the correct opinion is regarding men who say that a woman's place is in the kitchen. Maybe she's googling whether Aborigines have kitchens.


Don't they just eat the scraps their handlers shovel out?


You cannot eat a rock Karnal. But I get your point.


Really? You think returning Ularu to traditional sacred-site status after 50 years of "I climbed the rock" bumper stickers is handing out scraps?

I think it's a little more significant than that, dear, but that's just me.


My bad. You are absolutely right Karnal. They finally got their own zoo to live in. All the past injustice has been righted and they are now equals in our society.
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Reply #562 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:35pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:21pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:19pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:17pm:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:06pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:11am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:06am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:58am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:53am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:05am:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:55am:
what is the punishment if a women even an aboriginal one decides   bugger it I will climb the bloody thing

it seem to have you fired up fd.....kind of puts equality in perspective wouldnt you say?.. Wink Wink

here we are dragging the Arabs into the 21st century.. and our aboriginal chums seem to be in reverse......

rather sad...I am not sure why it is necessary for even the men to be allowed to climb it...what is so special about the MEN?



Cods, in Aboriginal culture, there is land that is for men and land that is for women.

Uluru just happens to be  men's business.




can you show where that is so?...or is it something that has just been invented.......culture  is something that really never changes  Roll Eyes but yes it does.....our [white] culture has change d a huge amount..  thankfully

whilst we still have boys schools and girls school..

neither sex if forbidden  to enter those establishments...

in fact we whites are trying to make equality even more equal.. Roll Eyes

I went past a unisex toilet the other day... I thought!   nahhhh   I am not ready for that and kept walking...

it is after all my choice....and so it should be for those ladies who are forbidden to climb the rock...

they are not making a choice they are being told.... I see a difference there thats all.




How can i make that fact that there are men's lands and women's lands any clearer?

I honestly don't think i can.

Anangu women don't want to climb Uluru, Cods. They have their own spaces.



you are of course talking NOW...women to my mind are evolving at a great rate at this time.....aboriginal women are no acception     at the end of the day  this ruling was made by MEN with no consultation .... as women have been climbing the rock since it was first allowed............this no women...seems to me to be a new invention...


where is it said that Anangu women do not wish to climb the rock??..... where they asked do you know?




Why are you not championing the rights for men to go on women's territory?




because this thread..is about

ABORIGINAL WOMEN NOT BEING ALLOWED TO CLIMB THE ROCK   BUT THE MEN ARE..


maybe thats why mothra..... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes I am surprised I have to point that out..  may I ask

WHY IS  AN ADMITTED FEMINIST NOT UP IN ARMS REGARDING

WOMEN BEING BANNED AFTER YEARS OF ALLOWING IT.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


suddenly women are singled out to NOT BE ALLOWED TO CLIMB THE ROCK.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

why are you championing the men on this one mothra?

Smiley Smiley


seems a bit odd for a well known feminist...


Seems a little bit hypocritical to me. Mind you, she also seems to have forgotten what the correct opinion is regarding men who say that a woman's place is in the kitchen. Maybe she's googling whether Aborigines have kitchens.


Don't they just eat the scraps their handlers shovel out?


You cannot eat a rock Karnal. But I get your point.


Really? You think returning Ularu to traditional sacred-site status after 50 years of "I climbed the rock" bumper stickers is handing out scraps?

I think it's a little more significant than that, dear, but that's just me.


My bad. You are absolutely right Karnal. They finally got their own zoo to live in. All the past injustice has been righted and they are now equals in our society.


Who runs the zoo, FD? I'm curious.
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Karnal/Mothra, thoughts on this please.

Keep the climb open but charge the same rate as climbing SHB. $350 for adults. Only Abbo guides , all money goes back to the local community.
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Who runs the zoo, FD? I'm curious.


It's a joint venture between the Australian government and a group of people they appointed to tell us what the opinion of the Anunga people is (like Mothra, except they have the correct skin colour). It saves the Aborigines and everyone else from the burden of having to think for themselves.
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Reply #565 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:53pm
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:43pm:
Karnal/Mothra, thoughts on this please.

Keep the climb open but charge the same rate as climbing SHB. $350 for adults. Only Abbo guides , all money goes back to the local community.


I thought all money from Uluru already goes back to the local natives.

I guess it's much easier to claim centrelink than do some work under the hot sun.
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Who runs the zoo, FD? I'm curious.


It's a joint venture between the Australian government and a group of people they appointed to tell us what the opinion of the Anunga people is (like Mothra, except they have the correct skin colour). It saves the Aborigines and everyone else from the burden of having to think for themselves.


I see. Are you advocating that the Anunga people take full control of the area to enable them (and everyone else) to think for themselves?

You know, customs, foreign policy, defence, etc?
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Reply #567 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 1:08pm
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:43pm:
Karnal/Mothra, thoughts on this please.

Keep the climb open but charge the same rate as climbing SHB. $350 for adults. Only Abbo guides , all money goes back to the local community.


Hard to say, Gordon. I think FD would say we should put that to the Anunga people (and everyone else with the right skin colour).

Either that, or change the constitution to end property rights.

You?
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Good question, dear. Why aren't feminists allowed to participate in ancient male Boong rituals if they damn well choose?

You're a feminist, Cods. Aren't you enraged?



another mistake you have made pet.. Roll Eyes I am far too critical of women   

you have me mixed up with your bestie mothra...who would flog the heck out of any male on here who dared suggest men should  have more right to make rules for women... and women must suck it up... Smiley Smileyeven more so if the women happen to be black..

just sayin like!
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Reply #569 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 3:29pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 1:08pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:43pm:
Karnal/Mothra, thoughts on this please.

Keep the climb open but charge the same rate as climbing SHB. $350 for adults. Only Abbo guides , all money goes back to the local community.


Hard to say, Gordon. I think FD would say we should put that to the Anunga people (and everyone else with the right skin colour).

Either that, or change the constitution to end property rights.

You?


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Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 3:29pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 1:08pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:43pm:
Karnal/Mothra, thoughts on this please.

Keep the climb open but charge the same rate as climbing SHB. $350 for adults. Only Abbo guides , all money goes back to the local community.


Hard to say, Gordon. I think FD would say we should put that to the Anunga people (and everyone else with the right skin colour).

Either that, or change the constitution to end property rights.

You?


I think it's a great idea. You?




ummm I did read where the community that live around Uluru is very poor ...

I cant see that working gordy..


for starters the SHB needs maintaining  24/7 

Uluru doesnt....its done very well for itself in millions of years   it doesnt need us...in particular MEN to care for it...

the aborigines have a bee in their bonnet let them have it......

while we sit back and wonder WHATS NEXT.... Sad

I am sure they have a long bucket list.
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cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 3:43pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 3:29pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 1:08pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:43pm:
Karnal/Mothra, thoughts on this please.

Keep the climb open but charge the same rate as climbing SHB. $350 for adults. Only Abbo guides , all money goes back to the local community.


Hard to say, Gordon. I think FD would say we should put that to the Anunga people (and everyone else with the right skin colour).

Either that, or change the constitution to end property rights.

You?


I think it's a great idea. You?




ummm I did read where the community that live around Uluru is very poor ...

I cant see that working gordy..


for starters the SHB needs maintaining  24/7 

Uluru doesnt....its done very well for itself in millions of years   it doesnt need us...in particular MEN to care for it...

the aborigines have a bee in their bonnet let them have it......

while we sit back and wonder WHATS NEXT.... Sad

I am sure they have a long bucket list.


Yeah probably wouldn't work. Not enough local men who aren't booze/drug/petrol effected to work as guides. And the women aren't allowed to walk up.
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Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 5:00pm:
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 3:43pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 3:29pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 1:08pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 12:43pm:
Karnal/Mothra, thoughts on this please.

Keep the climb open but charge the same rate as climbing SHB. $350 for adults. Only Abbo guides , all money goes back to the local community.


Hard to say, Gordon. I think FD would say we should put that to the Anunga people (and everyone else with the right skin colour).

Either that, or change the constitution to end property rights.

You?


I think it's a great idea. You?




ummm I did read where the community that live around Uluru is very poor ...

I cant see that working gordy..


for starters the SHB needs maintaining  24/7 

Uluru doesnt....its done very well for itself in millions of years   it doesnt need us...in particular MEN to care for it...

the aborigines have a bee in their bonnet let them have it......

while we sit back and wonder WHATS NEXT.... Sad

I am sure they have a long bucket list.


Yeah probably wouldn't work. Not enough local men who aren't booze/drug/petrol effected to work as guides. And the women aren't allowed to walk up.



what will the Rangers do now???? its a bit of a tough place to get other employment I would think!
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Members here go on about rejecting the Aboriginal existence based upon the primitive ownership of 'Sticks' and a piece of 'Bark' for a house.
Yet when it comes to the Aboriginal 'ownership' of Lands and Uluru ...oh these Members cry hoot n' toot.


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Jasin wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 5:45pm:
Members here go on about rejecting the Aboriginal existence based upon the primitive ownership of 'Sticks' and a piece of 'Bark' for a house.
Yet when it comes to the Aboriginal 'ownership' of Lands and Uluru ...oh these Members cry hoot n' toot.




I just don't see how it will help them. There's about 300 local Abbos from that tribe, most are unemployed and have fried their brains with booze, petrol and meth.
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Jasin wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 5:45pm:
Members here go on about rejecting the Aboriginal existence based upon the primitive ownership of 'Sticks' and a piece of 'Bark' for a house.
Yet when it comes to the Aboriginal 'ownership' of Lands and Uluru ...oh these Members cry hoot n' toot.




Do you think anyone would have complained if honkies like master Light had gotten their way and banned women from Ayers rock on account of them being more open to demonic attack?

cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 3:27pm:
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Good question, dear. Why aren't feminists allowed to participate in ancient male Boong rituals if they damn well choose?

You're a feminist, Cods. Aren't you enraged?



another mistake you have made pet.. Roll Eyes I am far too critical of women   

you have me mixed up with your bestie mothra...who would flog the heck out of any male on here who dared suggest men should  have more right to make rules for women... and women must suck it up... Smiley Smileyeven more so if the women happen to be black..

just sayin like!


Unless they are black of course. She does not expect Aborigines to be so civilised.
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freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 5:53pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 5:45pm:
Members here go on about rejecting the Aboriginal existence based upon the primitive ownership of 'Sticks' and a piece of 'Bark' for a house.
Yet when it comes to the Aboriginal 'ownership' of Lands and Uluru ...oh these Members cry hoot n' toot.




Do you think anyone would have complained if honkies like master Light had gotten their way and banned women from Ayers rock on account of them being more open to demonic attack?



And why is 'seperation' of the sex considered a bad thing?
Single-Sex and Co-Education both have their advantages and disadvantages in regards to each other. Aboriginal Women, if they really wanted it 'too' would say so. Just like they are standing up as the 'Takers of the Future' for Aboriginal people, while the Men prefer to be the 'Keepers of the Past' (I can throw Brunette & Raven-Haired Men in that same Bucket, so too the Polynesians that are becoming more Australian).

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Jasin wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 5:59pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 5:53pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 5:45pm:
Members here go on about rejecting the Aboriginal existence based upon the primitive ownership of 'Sticks' and a piece of 'Bark' for a house.
Yet when it comes to the Aboriginal 'ownership' of Lands and Uluru ...oh these Members cry hoot n' toot.




Do you think anyone would have complained if honkies like master Light had gotten their way and banned women from Ayers rock on account of them being more open to demonic attack?



And why is 'seperation' of the sex considered a bad thing?


I don't know Jasin. I'm still waiting on Mothra the feminist to explain to us what the correct opinion is of men who think that a woman's place is in the kitchen.
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freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 5:53pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 5:45pm:
Members here go on about rejecting the Aboriginal existence based upon the primitive ownership of 'Sticks' and a piece of 'Bark' for a house.
Yet when it comes to the Aboriginal 'ownership' of Lands and Uluru ...oh these Members cry hoot n' toot.




Do you think anyone would have complained if honkies like master Light had gotten their way and banned women from Ayers rock on account of them being more open to demonic attack?

cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 3:27pm:
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Good question, dear. Why aren't feminists allowed to participate in ancient male Boong rituals if they damn well choose?

You're a feminist, Cods. Aren't you enraged?



another mistake you have made pet.. Roll Eyes I am far too critical of women   

you have me mixed up with your bestie mothra...who would flog the heck out of any male on here who dared suggest men should  have more right to make rules for women... and women must suck it up... Smiley Smileyeven more so if the women happen to be black..

just sayin like!


Unless they are black of course. She does not expect Aborigines to be so civilised.



oh OK   I hadnt thought of that...I found it hard to get past the word "culture" which seems to mean

hey its OK....its their culture... Grin Grin Grin

where how who decides that??.....  just the men of course...

its a shame just as I get to ask a few tough questions mothra disappears......

yet she asks me the tough questions.. like this


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Why are you not championing the rights for men to go on women's territory





which has bugger all to do with this thread...

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Reply #580 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 6:07pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 6:02pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 5:59pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 5:53pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 5:45pm:
Members here go on about rejecting the Aboriginal existence based upon the primitive ownership of 'Sticks' and a piece of 'Bark' for a house.
Yet when it comes to the Aboriginal 'ownership' of Lands and Uluru ...oh these Members cry hoot n' toot.




Do you think anyone would have complained if honkies like master Light had gotten their way and banned women from Ayers rock on account of them being more open to demonic attack?



And why is 'seperation' of the sex considered a bad thing?


I don't know Jasin. I'm still waiting on Mothra the feminist to explain to us what the correct opinion is of men who think that a woman's place is in the kitchen.


A woman's place is where-ever she is bloody well useful where-ever her day bloody well takes her.
Nothing worse than a woman that does SFA for herself, me or anyone else.
The only place such women belong, is out the door.
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Reply #581 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 6:22pm
 
cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 6:02pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 5:53pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 5:45pm:
Members here go on about rejecting the Aboriginal existence based upon the primitive ownership of 'Sticks' and a piece of 'Bark' for a house.
Yet when it comes to the Aboriginal 'ownership' of Lands and Uluru ...oh these Members cry hoot n' toot.




Do you think anyone would have complained if honkies like master Light had gotten their way and banned women from Ayers rock on account of them being more open to demonic attack?

cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 3:27pm:
Quote:
Good question, dear. Why aren't feminists allowed to participate in ancient male Boong rituals if they damn well choose?

You're a feminist, Cods. Aren't you enraged?



another mistake you have made pet.. Roll Eyes I am far too critical of women   

you have me mixed up with your bestie mothra...who would flog the heck out of any male on here who dared suggest men should  have more right to make rules for women... and women must suck it up... Smiley Smileyeven more so if the women happen to be black..

just sayin like!


Unless they are black of course. She does not expect Aborigines to be so civilised.



oh OK   I hadnt thought of that...I found it hard to get past the word "culture" which seems to mean

hey its OK....its their culture... Grin Grin Grin

where how who decides that??.....  just the men of course...

its a shame just as I get to ask a few tough questions mothra disappears......

yet she asks me the tough questions.. like this


I think Mothra is a closet racist. It's the soft bigotry of low expectations.
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Reply #582 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:09pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 6:02pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 5:59pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 5:53pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 5:45pm:
Members here go on about rejecting the Aboriginal existence based upon the primitive ownership of 'Sticks' and a piece of 'Bark' for a house.
Yet when it comes to the Aboriginal 'ownership' of Lands and Uluru ...oh these Members cry hoot n' toot.




Do you think anyone would have complained if honkies like master Light had gotten their way and banned women from Ayers rock on account of them being more open to demonic attack?



And why is 'seperation' of the sex considered a bad thing?


I don't know Jasin. I'm still waiting on Mothra the feminist to explain to us what the correct opinion is of men who think that a woman's place is in the kitchen.


That's right, FD. You're waiting for Mothra to come back and say what you think, no?

Boongs are animals in a zoo. They don't have property rights because they don't. They're awfully racist and sexist, so unfair.

You'd go to Ayers Rock and meet the local white people, but you couldn't be bothered driving through all that boring scenery.
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Reply #583 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:11pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 8:13pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 4:52pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 4:42pm:
This just blows me away, the craftsmanship is amazing.



Is that his child bride or his daughter?


Setanta's not racist. Some of his best friends are clit-wond... Curry-lovers.


Ah, I see, it's his step-daughter. I should have known.
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Reply #584 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:32pm
 
Setanta wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:11pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 8:13pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 4:52pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 4:42pm:
This just blows me away, the craftsmanship is amazing.



Is that his child bride or his daughter?


Setanta's not racist. Some of his best friends are clit-wond... Curry-lovers.


Ah, I see, it's his step-daughter. I should have known.


Ah - you can introduce your step-daughter, your current squeeze, your victim, your potential child bride all in one.. that's the joys of multi-culturalism... sometimes you can introduce your wife and your sister all in one...
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Reply #585 - Nov 4th, 2019 at 4:16am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:32pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 8:11pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 8:13pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 4:52pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 4:42pm:
This just blows me away, the craftsmanship is amazing.



Is that his child bride or his daughter?


Setanta's not racist. Some of his best friends are clit-wond... Curry-lovers.


Ah, I see, it's his step-daughter. I should have known.


Ah - you can introduce your step-daughter, your current squeeze, your victim, your potential child bride all in one.. that's the joys of multi-culturalism... sometimes you can introduce your wife and your sister all in one...


Perhaps, wife, sister, daughter, mother and grandmother, all in one.
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 11:57am:
It is not private property. The Aborigines do not have private property rights over Ayers rock.


I'm not sure what semantic game you are attempting, but I think you are wrong.

The owners are leasing the land back to the commonwealth. How can they do this if it isn't their 'private property' to start with?
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freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:58pm:
They do not own it, any more than an elephant owns a zoo.


Of course FD - elephants can also lease the zoo back to the public - right?

Nice little racist jibe there too. Your incessant use of 'zoo' to make analogies has not gone unnoticed.
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freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:31am:
They do not own it because they do not own it. They do not have private property rights over it. This is all by decree.


Grin Wow you sure are making a slam-dunk case here FD. Private property rights granted by decree? Perish the thought!

I mean thats totally unlike when my great great grandfather arrived on a random piece of land west of the Blue Mountans, and the state authorities gave him a piece of paper saying he now "owned" that land. Thats definitely not granting ownership by "decree" is it? It can't be - since now, that same piece of land is considered by law to be my family's private property.
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freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:31am:
They do not own it because they do not own it. They do not have private property rights over it. This is all by decree.


Grin Wow you sure are making a slam-dunk case here FD. Private property rights granted by decree? Perish the thought!

I mean thats totally unlike when my great great grandfather arrived on a random piece of land west of the Blue Mountans, and the state authorities gave him a piece of paper saying he now "owned" that land. Thats definitely not granting ownership by "decree" is it? It can't be - since now, that same piece of land is considered by law to be my family's private property.





  yes dear gandy    until said govt wants it back....


private is not the same as ownership.... NO ONE owns the land  it cannot be moved it cannot be taken with you......its on loan...pet  and guess what it doesnt discriminate between colour or culture...
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I thought Aboriginals didn't own the land, but were 'one with it'... so who's stopping them being one with it while everyone else enjoys their oneness with it?

Frankly it's bizarre that anyone could consider one person having feelings about a place as any different from anyone else... everyone is struck by the sight of Mt Warning or Ayers Rock or the Glasshouses - sure - that makes it sacred - just to everyone in the same way.... there are breathtaking scenes everywhere - does that make them 'sacred' apart from a desire to 'own' it exclusively and use that as an excuse?

No difference because you're an Aboriginal and want to pass off that there are spirits there... right of religious belief, innit... now move on and stop interfering with everyone else's rights to enjoy places.

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Cant do that.

It doesn't fit the, *hate the whitey* agenda.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 1:05pm:
I thought Aboriginals didn't own the land, but were 'one with it'... so who's stopping them being one with it while everyone else enjoys their oneness with it?

Frankly it's bizarre that anyone could consider one person having feelings about a place as any different from anyone else... everyone is struck by the sight of Mt Warning or Ayers Rock or the Glasshouses - sure - that makes it sacred - just to everyone in the same way.... there are breathtaking scenes everywhere - does that make them 'sacred' apart from a desire to 'own' it exclusively and use that as an excuse?

No difference because you're an Aboriginal and want to pass off that there are spirits there... right of religious belief, innit... now move on and stop interfering with everyone else's rights to enjoy places.

Nobody's stopping YOU .....


BINGO! Right there Grapps.

When they say they don't 'own', but are a 'part' of the Land.
It's like saying a Farmer is more part of the Land in his existence than he is relating to things like Sport, Space, the Sea, Politics, Writing Books, etc.
Would you consider Roger Federer 'owning' Tennis or being 'a part' of Tennis?

So you see - when the Aboriginals are saying they are a Part Of This Land, then they have also said they have been a Part of this Land - for a very very very long time.
AS WELL.  Wink

What's that song by Offspring? Where they sing "You gotta keep them seperated!"

They and the Land are One.  But now there is many an Aboriginal of younger generations, who now go 'walkabout' into other worlds of existence now that the World has opened up to them. Are they allowed to walk into a 'City' - and just say
"I own that!"
? They act is though they do - don't they? Displaced from their own way of life -
BY FORCE!


Well they are trying to make a comeback from the initial 'Invasion' into their way of life (of which others took) - but Whitey wants to murder them completely from the Land, like a bullet to their body with how the Whitey's have ruined it for the short term benefit of pleasing other nations.

Whitey got desperate. Whitey was in a hurry. He built this Nation of his in fear of the Yellow Asia, like an Outpost on behalf of the British and now he rushes from nothing to nought at the end for the USA.

Mistakes always happen, when things are rushed. Even a Formula One Driver will tell you that.  Wink

In other words - the Aboriginals are now 'Forced' to OWN it in the name of Laws introduced by Whiteys who arrived and are yet still to prove that they do make these Laws in the name of the Common good of the World (everyone).

"You cannot 'own' this Land until you have learned to read and write like a civilised being and not some primitive like you. Angry" said the Whitey.

"No worries Gubba. We teach you how to survive on it for 40,000 years - at the moment, things aren't looking good for you. You're Whitey Farmers are dropping out like Rabbits in a desert - you've drained all the waters up and turned them turd brown. Even Indians have to come here, buy up the Farms and show you how to do it." said Coon Boong the Wise.
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Reply #593 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 3:35pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 1:05pm:
I thought Aboriginals didn't own the land, but were 'one with it'... so who's stopping them being one with it while everyone else enjoys their oneness with It.


The leftards. They put them in a zoo, so racist and sexist. So unfair.

The white supremacists say they should have their rock managed by Whitey - much more respectful.

Superior Culture, innit.
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Reply #594 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 3:47pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 3:35pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 1:05pm:
I thought Aboriginals didn't own the land, but were 'one with it'... so who's stopping them being one with it while everyone else enjoys their oneness with It.


The leftards. They put them in a zoo, so racist and sexist. So unfair.

The white supremacists say they should have their rock managed by Whitey - much more respectful.

Superior Culture, innit.


Well it happens most other places ... they won't or can't work.
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Reply #595 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 8:06pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 2:54pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 1:05pm:
I thought Aboriginals didn't own the land, but were 'one with it'... so who's stopping them being one with it while everyone else enjoys their oneness with it?

Frankly it's bizarre that anyone could consider one person having feelings about a place as any different from anyone else... everyone is struck by the sight of Mt Warning or Ayers Rock or the Glasshouses - sure - that makes it sacred - just to everyone in the same way.... there are breathtaking scenes everywhere - does that make them 'sacred' apart from a desire to 'own' it exclusively and use that as an excuse?

No difference because you're an Aboriginal and want to pass off that there are spirits there... right of religious belief, innit... now move on and stop interfering with everyone else's rights to enjoy places.

Nobody's stopping YOU .....


BINGO! Right there Grapps.

When they say they don't 'own', but are a 'part' of the Land.
It's like saying a Farmer is more part of the Land in his existence than he is relating to things like Sport, Space, the Sea, Politics, Writing Books, etc.
Would you consider Roger Federer 'owning' Tennis or being 'a part' of Tennis?

So you see - when the Aboriginals are saying they are a Part Of This Land, then they have also said they have been a Part of this Land - for a very very very long time.
AS WELL.  Wink

What's that song by Offspring? Where they sing "You gotta keep them seperated!"

They and the Land are One.  But now there is many an Aboriginal of younger generations, who now go 'walkabout' into other worlds of existence now that the World has opened up to them. Are they allowed to walk into a 'City' - and just say
"I own that!"
? They act is though they do - don't they? Displaced from their own way of life -
BY FORCE!


Well they are trying to make a comeback from the initial 'Invasion' into their way of life (of which others took) - but Whitey wants to murder them completely from the Land, like a bullet to their body with how the Whitey's have ruined it for the short term benefit of pleasing other nations.

Whitey got desperate. Whitey was in a hurry. He built this Nation of his in fear of the Yellow Asia, like an Outpost on behalf of the British and now he rushes from nothing to nought at the end for the USA.

Mistakes always happen, when things are rushed. Even a Formula One Driver will tell you that.  Wink

In other words - the Aboriginals are now 'Forced' to OWN it in the name of Laws introduced by Whiteys who arrived and are yet still to prove that they do make these Laws in the name of the Common good of the World (everyone).

"You cannot 'own' this Land until you have learned to read and write like a civilised being and not some primitive like you. Angry" said the Whitey.

"No worries Gubba. We teach you how to survive on it for 40,000 years - at the moment, things aren't looking good for you. You're Whitey Farmers are dropping out like Rabbits in a desert - you've drained all the waters up and turned them turd brown. Even Indians have to come here, buy up the Farms and show you how to do it." said Coon Boong the Wise.


Again, much of what you say makes sense... just some of your other conclusions are falsely based.... and based on prejudice.. I see potential here.. keep studying..
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Reply #596 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 10:11pm
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 3:47pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 3:35pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 1:05pm:
I thought Aboriginals didn't own the land, but were 'one with it'... so who's stopping them being one with it while everyone else enjoys their oneness with It.


The leftards. They put them in a zoo, so racist and sexist. So unfair.

The white supremacists say they should have their rock managed by Whitey - much more respectful.

Superior Culture, innit.


Well it happens most other places ... they won't or can't work.


I know. So how can they be trusted to manage a rock?
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Reply #597 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 11:32pm
 
Again - here's what the board are really saying...

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Reply #598 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 7:10pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 4th, 2019 at 12:55pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 11:57am:
It is not private property. The Aborigines do not have private property rights over Ayers rock.


I'm not sure what semantic game you are attempting, but I think you are wrong.

The owners are leasing the land back to the commonwealth. How can they do this if it isn't their 'private property' to start with?


They cannot choose who to lease it to. Or who to sell it to. Nor do they have individual or complete collective control over how to manage it. It is a condition of their "ownership" that they do not own it in any meaningful sense. But they do get money from the government. That fixes everything, apparently.
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Reply #599 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:12pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 7:10pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 4th, 2019 at 12:55pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 11:57am:
It is not private property. The Aborigines do not have private property rights over Ayers rock.


I'm not sure what semantic game you are attempting, but I think you are wrong.

The owners are leasing the land back to the commonwealth. How can they do this if it isn't their 'private property' to start with?


They cannot choose who to lease it to. Or who to sell it to. Nor do they have individual or complete collective control over how to manage it. It is a condition of their "ownership" that they do not own it in any meaningful sense. But they do get money from the government. That fixes everything, apparently.



Closed by a 'board of management', Gandalf...just throwing their weight around - the fact that it was a board stacked with two do-gooders and ten like-minded Aboriginals who wanted to close Whitey out has nothing to do with it.. it's a managerial decision - not a law...

Tell 'em to go to buggary... the government put the Gang Of Twelve in place... to pursue the deliberate government policy of appeasement to Aboriginal 'sensitivities'...

No valid reason at all for it... chainsaw will fix the sign in a few seconds....

Tear Down The Wall!

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Reply #600 - Nov 9th, 2019 at 7:21am
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 10:11pm:
Gnads wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 3:47pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 3:35pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 1:05pm:
I thought Aboriginals didn't own the land, but were 'one with it'... so who's stopping them being one with it while everyone else enjoys their oneness with It.


The leftards. They put them in a zoo, so racist and sexist. So unfair.

The white supremacists say they should have their rock managed by Whitey - much more respectful.

Superior Culture, innit.


Well it happens most other places ... they won't or can't work.


I know. So how can they be trusted to manage a rock?


Stop being facetious ..... it's not the rock

it's the ancillary operations of the resort supposedly overseen by the govt.funded Indigenous Land Council/Central Land Council.

The local Anangu people don't run it nor do they run the Ayres Rock Resort which is "run" for them by a non Aboriginal company.

They want sit down money from it.

Yet the ILC don't want to kick in money when times are tough.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/alls-not-well-at-the-ayers-rock-resort-20131027-...
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Reply #601 - Nov 9th, 2019 at 1:39pm
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 7:21am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 10:11pm:
Gnads wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 3:47pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 3:35pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 1:05pm:
I thought Aboriginals didn't own the land, but were 'one with it'... so who's stopping them being one with it while everyone else enjoys their oneness with It.


The leftards. They put them in a zoo, so racist and sexist. So unfair.

The white supremacists say they should have their rock managed by Whitey - much more respectful.

Superior Culture, innit.


Well it happens most other places ... they won't or can't work.


I know. So how can they be trusted to manage a rock?


Stop being facetious ..... it's not the rock

it's the ancillary operations of the resort supposedly overseen by the govt.funded Indigenous Land Council/Central Land Council.

The local Anangu people don't run it nor do they run the Ayres Rock Resort which is "run" for them by a non Aboriginal company.

They want sit down money from it.

Yet the ILC don't want to kick in money when times are tough.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/alls-not-well-at-the-ayers-rock-resort-20131027-...


I know. Don't you think that's really racist of them?
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Reply #602 - Nov 15th, 2019 at 2:10pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 7:10pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 4th, 2019 at 12:55pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 11:57am:
It is not private property. The Aborigines do not have private property rights over Ayers rock.


I'm not sure what semantic game you are attempting, but I think you are wrong.

The owners are leasing the land back to the commonwealth. How can they do this if it isn't their 'private property' to start with?


They cannot choose who to lease it to. Or who to sell it to. Nor do they have individual or complete collective control over how to manage it. It is a condition of their "ownership" that they do not own it in any meaningful sense. But they do get money from the government. That fixes everything, apparently.


I'm not sure what your point is FD. You seem to be flailing around in all different directions. First you frame this as an outrageous instance of racism against whites, as well as being mysogonistic - based on the absurd lie that the black owners are keeping the rock climb to themselves, while at the same time excluding all women (in reality, the black owners never climbed it in the first place, and want everyone - irrespective of colour or gender to not climb). Now you seem to be saying that this dictating of the terms of 'ownership' by the government is all terribly belittling to the Aborigines, and presumably racist against them.

You can't seem to work out what you are whinging about.
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Reply #603 - Nov 15th, 2019 at 4:56pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 15th, 2019 at 2:10pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 7:10pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 4th, 2019 at 12:55pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 11:57am:
It is not private property. The Aborigines do not have private property rights over Ayers rock.


I'm not sure what semantic game you are attempting, but I think you are wrong.

The owners are leasing the land back to the commonwealth. How can they do this if it isn't their 'private property' to start with?


They cannot choose who to lease it to. Or who to sell it to. Nor do they have individual or complete collective control over how to manage it. It is a condition of their "ownership" that they do not own it in any meaningful sense. But they do get money from the government. That fixes everything, apparently.


I'm not sure what your point is FD. You seem to be flailing around in all different directions. First you frame this as an outrageous instance of racism against whites, as well as being mysogonistic - based on the absurd lie that the black owners are keeping the rock climb to themselves, while at the same time excluding all women (in reality, the black owners never climbed it in the first place, and want everyone - irrespective of colour or gender to not climb). Now you seem to be saying that this dictating of the terms of 'ownership' by the government is all terribly belittling to the Aborigines, and presumably racist against them.

You can't seem to work out what you are whinging about.


Not at all. FD's saying not treating Boongs like the uncivilised barbarians they are is the "tyranny of low expectations".

He's saying that leftards like Mothra treat them as noble savages by accepting their right to own property and they don't own it because they don't.

Haven't you been following?
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Reply #604 - Nov 15th, 2019 at 5:11pm
 
Never did think much of that damned rock anyway,...

Not a bad thing that NOBODY climbs it and damages it...  as long as it's NOBODY... no cultural Nazism here thanks...
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Reply #605 - Nov 15th, 2019 at 5:12pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 15th, 2019 at 4:56pm:
Not at all. FD's saying not treating Boongs like the uncivilised barbarians they are is the "tyranny of low expectations".

He's saying that leftards like Mothra treat them as noble savages by accepting their right to own property and they don't own it because they don't.

Haven't you been following?


That about encapsulates reality....

freediver is encapsulating the modern day version of The White Man's Burden - of bringing light and civilisation to those dwelling in darkness and uncivilised - now it has become The White Feminist Woman's Burden - of bringing light and civilisation to everyone  else, and especially men, those knuckle-draggers who caused all the problems for everyone while building the framework to resolve all the problems for everyone... (yardle)...

The White Feminist Woman's Burden is a supremacist stance pure and simple... nothing more... and is driven by utter nonsense, and actively promoted by the handing to women (feminists or useful fools who know no different) of controlling children at home and now in schools.

Should never have been allowed out of the kitchen...   Cool
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Reply #606 - Nov 15th, 2019 at 5:19pm
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 7:21am:
Stop being facetious ..... it's not the rock

it's the ancillary operations of the resort supposedly overseen by the govt.funded Indigenous Land Council/Central Land Council.

The local Anangu people don't run it nor do they run the Ayres Rock Resort which is "run" for them by a non Aboriginal company.

They want sit down money from it.

Yet the ILC don't want to kick in money when times are tough.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/alls-not-well-at-the-ayers-rock-resort-20131027-...



Now that about encapsulates reality - nothing to do with the local and suffering Aboriginals and their needs - let alone their 'spiritual' needs of 'ownership absolute' etc - it's got everything to do with some filthy little government controlled company and making some money.... and maybe handing a little bit out to the local community... when Hell freezes over, that might happen and make a meaningful difference - for once.

Now that's what freediver is talking about... the 'White man's Burden v.2019' - just business you unnerstan' ... and they don't give a damn about the locals and their 'spiritual needs'.... not in any meaningful sense...
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Reply #607 - Nov 15th, 2019 at 7:18pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 15th, 2019 at 5:11pm:
Never did think much of that damned rock anyway,...

Not a bad thing that NOBODY climbs it and damages it...  as long as it's NOBODY... no cultural Nazism here thanks...


FD'd like to climb it  - if he "could be bothered spending 3 days driving through all that boring scenery."

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Reply #608 - Nov 15th, 2019 at 7:22pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 15th, 2019 at 5:12pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 15th, 2019 at 4:56pm:
Not at all. FD's saying not treating Boongs like the uncivilised barbarians they are is the "tyranny of low expectations".

He's saying that leftards like Mothra treat them as noble savages by accepting their right to own property and they don't own it because they don't.

Haven't you been following?


That about encapsulates reality....

freediver is encapsulating the modern day version of The White Man's Burden - of bringing light and civilisation to those dwelling in darkness and uncivilised - now it has become The White Feminist Woman's Burden - of bringing light and civilisation to everyone  else, and especially men, those knuckle-draggers who caused all the problems for everyone while building the framework to resolve all the problems for everyone... (yardle)...

The White Feminist Woman's Burden is a supremacist stance pure and simple... nothing more... and is driven by utter nonsense, and actively promoted by the handing to women (feminists or useful fools who know no different) of controlling children at home and now in schools.

Should never have been allowed out of the kitchen...   Cool


Do you know? I still think of that research you showed on domestic violence - couples reporting how they'd equally contributed, how much DV is mutual. This really shifted my thinking on this issue.

When you stop talking and post a link you can be quite illuminating, dear.
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Reply #609 - Nov 15th, 2019 at 10:34pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 15th, 2019 at 7:22pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 15th, 2019 at 5:12pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 15th, 2019 at 4:56pm:
Not at all. FD's saying not treating Boongs like the uncivilised barbarians they are is the "tyranny of low expectations".

He's saying that leftards like Mothra treat them as noble savages by accepting their right to own property and they don't own it because they don't.

Haven't you been following?


That about encapsulates reality....

freediver is encapsulating the modern day version of The White Man's Burden - of bringing light and civilisation to those dwelling in darkness and uncivilised - now it has become The White Feminist Woman's Burden - of bringing light and civilisation to everyone  else, and especially men, those knuckle-draggers who caused all the problems for everyone while building the framework to resolve all the problems for everyone... (yardle)...

The White Feminist Woman's Burden is a supremacist stance pure and simple... nothing more... and is driven by utter nonsense, and actively promoted by the handing to women (feminists or useful fools who know no different) of controlling children at home and now in schools.

Should never have been allowed out of the kitchen...   Cool


Do you know? I still think of that research you showed on domestic violence - couples reporting how they'd equally contributed, how much DV is mutual. This really shifted my thinking on this issue.

When you stop talking and post a link you can be quite illuminating, dear.


Actually I'm illuminating all the time for those with their eyes open.... keep working on your game, Grasshopper...
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Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 15th, 2019 at 7:18pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 15th, 2019 at 5:11pm:
Never did think much of that damned rock anyway,...

Not a bad thing that NOBODY climbs it and damages it...  as long as it's NOBODY... no cultural Nazism here thanks...


FD'd like to climb it  - if he "could be bothered spending 3 days driving through all that boring scenery."



Flat as a tack, hot as hell or cold at night, dry as a nun's retort, and just filled with the most disgusting examples of emptiness and scrub you could find... and peopled by people who can get fifty miles high out of a gallon of petrol... get right up there among the spirits...!!
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Just shut down Alice springs.
Start with the biggest business first.....centafink
The work your way down
Pubs
Shops selling metho
Petrol stations selling fuel by the cup.
Finally secret white man places......anywhere work is done.

Let the place go back to desert and leave it there.

Of course, no money will be sent there either
Any abbo wanting their dole will have to travel to the nearest centerlink office to claim.
Every week.

That is what SHOUKD happen, let them feel white man's wrath.
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Valkie wrote on Nov 16th, 2019 at 6:45am:
Just shut down Alice springs.
Start with the biggest business first.....centafink
The work your way down
Pubs
Shops selling metho
Petrol stations selling fuel by the cup.
Finally secret white man places......anywhere work is done.

Let the place go back to desert and leave it there.

Of course, no money will be sent there either
Any abbo wanting their dole will have to travel to the nearest centerlink office to claim.
Every week.

That is what SHOUKD happen, let them feel white man's wrath.


Why shoot ourselves in the foot, dear? We make a nice little drink from all that metho and petrol.

Your Boong attracts the flies. Whitey sells the flyspray.

A win-win, no? Where's FD?
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polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 15th, 2019 at 2:10pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 7:10pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 4th, 2019 at 12:55pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 11:57am:
It is not private property. The Aborigines do not have private property rights over Ayers rock.


I'm not sure what semantic game you are attempting, but I think you are wrong.

The owners are leasing the land back to the commonwealth. How can they do this if it isn't their 'private property' to start with?


They cannot choose who to lease it to. Or who to sell it to. Nor do they have individual or complete collective control over how to manage it. It is a condition of their "ownership" that they do not own it in any meaningful sense. But they do get money from the government. That fixes everything, apparently.


I'm not sure what your point is FD. You seem to be flailing around in all different directions. First you frame this as an outrageous instance of racism against whites, as well as being mysogonistic - based on the absurd lie that the black owners are keeping the rock climb to themselves, while at the same time excluding all women (in reality, the black owners never climbed it in the first place, and want everyone - irrespective of colour or gender to not climb). Now you seem to be saying that this dictating of the terms of 'ownership' by the government is all terribly belittling to the Aborigines, and presumably racist against them.

You can't seem to work out what you are whinging about.


Who it is "against" is irrelevant to whether it is racist.

My point with the argument that they do not actually own it is that they do not actually own it. This is in response to the argument from just about everyone who supports the ban that it is "merely" an exercise in private property rights.

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Reply #614 - Nov 16th, 2019 at 9:36am
 
I just regard it as an opportunity grabbed by the coons to jam something up the whiteys nose.

"We have the power and we will use it" sort of attitude .
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I just regard it as an opportunity grabbed by the coons to jam something up the whiteys nose.

"We have the power and we will use it" sort of attitude .



they will be charging to cross a river soon.......

so much for reconciliation   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes...

they want separation   only they want whitey to pay for it...
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freediver wrote on Nov 16th, 2019 at 9:28am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 15th, 2019 at 2:10pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 7:10pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 4th, 2019 at 12:55pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 11:57am:
It is not private property. The Aborigines do not have private property rights over Ayers rock.


I'm not sure what semantic game you are attempting, but I think you are wrong.

The owners are leasing the land back to the commonwealth. How can they do this if it isn't their 'private property' to start with?


They cannot choose who to lease it to. Or who to sell it to. Nor do they have individual or complete collective control over how to manage it. It is a condition of their "ownership" that they do not own it in any meaningful sense. But they do get money from the government. That fixes everything, apparently.


I'm not sure what your point is FD. You seem to be flailing around in all different directions. First you frame this as an outrageous instance of racism against whites, as well as being mysogonistic - based on the absurd lie that the black owners are keeping the rock climb to themselves, while at the same time excluding all women (in reality, the black owners never climbed it in the first place, and want everyone - irrespective of colour or gender to not climb). Now you seem to be saying that this dictating of the terms of 'ownership' by the government is all terribly belittling to the Aborigines, and presumably racist against them.

You can't seem to work out what you are whinging about.


Who it is "against" is irrelevant to whether it is racist.

My point with the argument that they do not actually own it is that they do not actually own it. This is in response to the argument from just about everyone who supports the ban that it is "merely" an exercise in private property rights.

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based on the absurd lie that the black owners are keeping the rock climb to themselves


That is exactly what they are doing Gandalf.




maybe its only whitemans feet that do any damage to the rock and aboriginal mens feet are blessed to leave not a trace........as in secret mens business. Smiley
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Reply #617 - Nov 16th, 2019 at 12:11pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 16th, 2019 at 9:28am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 15th, 2019 at 2:10pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 7:10pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 4th, 2019 at 12:55pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 11:57am:
It is not private property. The Aborigines do not have private property rights over Ayers rock.


I'm not sure what semantic game you are attempting, but I think you are wrong.

The owners are leasing the land back to the commonwealth. How can they do this if it isn't their 'private property' to start with?


They cannot choose who to lease it to. Or who to sell it to. Nor do they have individual or complete collective control over how to manage it. It is a condition of their "ownership" that they do not own it in any meaningful sense. But they do get money from the government. That fixes everything, apparently.


I'm not sure what your point is FD. You seem to be flailing around in all different directions. First you frame this as an outrageous instance of racism against whites, as well as being mysogonistic - based on the absurd lie that the black owners are keeping the rock climb to themselves, while at the same time excluding all women (in reality, the black owners never climbed it in the first place, and want everyone - irrespective of colour or gender to not climb). Now you seem to be saying that this dictating of the terms of 'ownership' by the government is all terribly belittling to the Aborigines, and presumably racist against them.

You can't seem to work out what you are whinging about.


Who it is "against" is irrelevant to whether it is racist.

My point with the argument that they do not actually own it is that they do not actually own it. This is in response to the argument from just about everyone who supports the ban that it is "merely" an exercise in private property rights.

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based on the absurd lie that the black owners are keeping the rock climb to themselves


That is exactly what they are doing Gandalf.


Oh, there you are. Up for a question yet?
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Administrative closure by a Gang of Twelve appointed by government, and totally unrepresentative of the entire mass of interest groups...

Take a chainsaw to their signs and Free The Rock!!  No Indigenisation Without Representation!!

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But totally representative of the Boongs, not to mention the tourists, 80% of whom have respected their wishes.

We won't ask about you, dear.
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Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 17th, 2019 at 10:27pm:
But totally representative of the Boongs, not to mention the tourists, 80% of whom have respected their wishes.

We won't ask about you, dear.


Reresentative of how many Boongs exactly?  And the tourists have no real choice, do they, unless they want to break out and say NO!

Now as for dismal handful of Boongs - what about the other 25 million people in Australia?

Are you there yet?  You believe in Fascism?  Rule of the majority by a tiny elite group for whatever reason and the absolute right of that group top dictate to many millions?

Good luck entering the 21st Century...
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There are 3 main cultures along with minor-multi-cultures.
Aboriginal
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American Colonialism (free Settlers).

We've yet to see an Australian version of Muad'Dib to raise a true Australian umbrella culture for all to turn to.

Until then. Get off their Rock! Grin
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There are 3 main cultures along with minor-multi-cultures.
Aboriginal
British
American Colonialism (free Settlers).

We've yet to see an Australian version of Muad'Dib to raise a true Australian umbrella culture for all to turn to.

Until then. Get off their Rock! Grin


It's not their rock, meyte... it's closed off and all spirit now... tough on the local Boongs who think they own it now, but hell - that's how it works...

It not being their rock, they can't tell anyone to get off it - and besides - how did it come to be 'their rock'?  By public agreement?
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Reply #623 - Nov 18th, 2019 at 10:58am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 16th, 2019 at 9:28am:
My point with the argument that they do not actually own it is that they do not actually own it. This is in response to the argument from just about everyone who supports the ban that it is "merely" an exercise in private property rights.


All you have demonstrated is that the rock is under a different kind of ownership than the more traditional kind. So there are conditions attached to it - you can 'own it' but you have to lease it back to the government. However the new 'owners' still have the right to ban climbing.

I don't see any problem with this. Its merely another case of the government offering 'ownership' of property by decree, with whatever conditions they want to stipulate. Same as they do with all kinds of property rights all the time. But for once it isn't decreeing property rights to white settlers invading the native's land, but rather decreeing it back to the original owners of the land.

I suspect its the reversal of this 'natural order' in the way property was divied up for most of the past 200+ years of settlement is whats getting up your nose. Its a pretty unsubtle and transparent racist objection. There is certainly no reasonable or legitimate basis to your objection - which would explain your resort to ridiculous lies about the black owners wanting to have the rock for themselves to climb and this being about some misogynistic banning of women.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 17th, 2019 at 10:58pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 17th, 2019 at 10:27pm:
But totally representative of the Boongs, not to mention the tourists, 80% of whom have respected their wishes.

We won't ask about you, dear.


Reresentative of how many Boongs exactly?  And the tourists have no real choice, do they, unless they want to break out and say NO!


Why, the Boongs of Pitjantjatjara, dear - and all the others around the country who came out to celebrate.

Uluru is significant to ALL the Boongs. Giving it back to the spirit beings restores ancient law. No feminist Boongs have come out to suggest this is sexist, racist or sub-speciesist.

Tourists were allowed to climb the rock until last month. Out of respect, 80% refused to. The only people who want to be allowed to climb are feminists like FD, who'd like to climb the rock one day if they could be bothered driving 3 days through all that boring scenery.

In other words, they won't.

You?
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Reply #625 - Nov 18th, 2019 at 12:04pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 11:37am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 17th, 2019 at 10:58pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 17th, 2019 at 10:27pm:
But totally representative of the Boongs, not to mention the tourists, 80% of whom have respected their wishes.

We won't ask about you, dear.


Reresentative of how many Boongs exactly?  And the tourists have no real choice, do they, unless they want to break out and say NO!


Why, the Boongs of Pitjantjatjara, dear - and all the others around the country who came out to celebrate.

Uluru is significant to ALL the Boongs. Giving it back to the spirit beings restores ancient law. No feminist Boongs have come out to suggest this is sexist, racist or sub-speciesist.

Tourists were allowed to climb the rock until last month. Out of respect, 80% refused to. The only people who want to be allowed to climb are feminists like FD, who'd like to climb the rock one day if they could be bothered driving 3 days through all that boring scenery.

In other words, they won't.

You?


What?  20 Boongs?  Bloody dictators... Ayers Rock (etc) is significant to AUSTRALIANS, mate - Boongs have no special place there any more... or anywhere else... time to move with the times....

I'd say 'respect' had nothing to do with it - many infirm or older citizens simply wouldn't want to climb it.. twisting it into some myth of 'respect' to suit the agenda is not helping discussion fair and free and open.  Many just go to look at it but the climb is for those seriously interested only - maybe 20% of the visitors...

Well - jolly gee gosh - the Boongs came and celebrated.. celebrated what?  The illusion that somehow 'they' had taken back 'their ' rock?   It was closed by an administrative decision from Whartey - to all climbers - purely for the reasons that it was being worn and tracked and it cost too much to rescue the few who fell ill or even died there - at a far lower rate than the national average...

It was closed by a government appointed body for purported reasons having zero to do with Aboriginals... just to save a few paltry dollars...

Tear Down the Signs!  Free The Rock!! 



...an old Australian climber lay dying (aaarg) , sighing... as he lay on his death bed, he started to sing... and the words went something like this....

Tie me Ayers Rock down, sport,
Tie me Ayers Rock down.
Climbers are wearin' it down sport,
So tie me Ayers Rock down.

Let me Abos climb loose, Blue,
Let me Abos climb loose...
They're of no spiritual (or insert term) use, Blue,
So let me Abos climb loose..

(everybody sing)

Tear the closure signs down, sport,
Tear the Closure signs down.
Tear the closure signs down, sport,
Tear the Closure signs down.


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Reply #626 - Nov 18th, 2019 at 1:54pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 11:37am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 17th, 2019 at 10:58pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 17th, 2019 at 10:27pm:
But totally representative of the Boongs, not to mention the tourists, 80% of whom have respected their wishes.

We won't ask about you, dear.


Reresentative of how many Boongs exactly?  And the tourists have no real choice, do they, unless they want to break out and say NO!


Why, the Boongs of Pitjantjatjara, dear - and all the others around the country who came out to celebrate.

Uluru is significant to ALL the Boongs. Giving it back to the spirit beings restores ancient law. No feminist Boongs have come out to suggest this is sexist, racist or sub-speciesist.

Tourists were allowed to climb the rock until last month. Out of respect, 80% refused to. The only people who want to be allowed to climb are feminists like FD, who'd like to climb the rock one day if they could be bothered driving 3 days through all that boring scenery.

In other words, they won't.

You?


What?  20 Boongs?  Bloody dictators... Ayers Rock (etc) is significant to AUSTRALIANS, mate - Boongs have no special place there any more... or anywhere else... time to move with the times....

I'd say 'respect' had nothing to do with it - many infirm or older citizens simply wouldn't want to climb it.. twisting it into some myth of 'respect' to suit the agenda is not helping discussion fair and free and open.  Many just go to look at it but the climb is for those seriously interested only - maybe 20% of the visitors...

Well - jolly gee gosh - the Boongs came and celebrated.. celebrated what?  The illusion that somehow 'they' had taken back 'their ' rock?   It was closed by an administrative decision from Whartey - to all climbers - purely for the reasons that it was being worn and tracked and it cost too much to rescue the few who fell ill or even died there - at a far lower rate than the national average...

It was closed by a government appointed body for purported reasons having zero to do with Aboriginals... just to save a few paltry dollars...

Tear Down the Signs!  Free The Rock!! 



...an old Australian climber lay dying (aaarg) , sighing... as he lay on his death bed, he started to sing... and the words went something like this....

Tie me Ayers Rock down, sport,
Tie me Ayers Rock down.
Climbers are wearin' it down sport,
So tie me Ayers Rock down.

Let me Abos climb loose, Blue,
Let me Abos climb loose...
They're of no spiritual (or insert term) use, Blue,
So let me Abos climb loose..

(everybody sing)

Tear the closure signs down, sport,
Tear the Closure signs down.
Tear the closure signs down, sport,
Tear the Closure signs down.




Sorry, dear, I should have been more clear.

Have YOU ever climbed the rock?
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polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 10:58am:
freediver wrote on Nov 16th, 2019 at 9:28am:
My point with the argument that they do not actually own it is that they do not actually own it. This is in response to the argument from just about everyone who supports the ban that it is "merely" an exercise in private property rights.


All you have demonstrated is that the rock is under a different kind of ownership than the more traditional kind. So there are conditions attached to it - you can 'own it' but you have to lease it back to the government. However the new 'owners' still have the right to ban climbing.

I don't see any problem with this. Its merely another case of the government offering 'ownership' of property by decree, with whatever conditions they want to stipulate. Same as they do with all kinds of property rights all the time. But for once it isn't decreeing property rights to white settlers invading the native's land, but rather decreeing it back to the original owners of the land.

I suspect its the reversal of this 'natural order' in the way property was divied up for most of the past 200+ years of settlement is whats getting up your nose. Its a pretty unsubtle and transparent racist objection.


This reminds me of Abu's argument that Islam is entirely consistent with democracy. Just a "different type" of democracy, in which only muslims can vote, only Muslims can run for office, and Shariah law is the only platform you can run on.

If you cannot sell it, and you cannot even sell your share of it, and the government still has control over it, and you have no direct personal influence over what happens with it, then you do not own it. The analogy with the exercise of private property rights is entirely misleading, and just another desperate attempt to sweep government sponsored racism, sexism, communism etc under the carpet.

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There is certainly no reasonable or legitimate basis to your objection - which would explain your resort to ridiculous lies about the black owners wanting to have the rock for themselves to climb and this being about some misogynistic banning of women.


You mean other than the fact that it is racist and sexist? Why is that not a legitimate basis?

What makes these people "owners" of Ayers Rock, other than race?
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Reply #628 - Nov 18th, 2019 at 11:56pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 1:54pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 11:37am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 17th, 2019 at 10:58pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 17th, 2019 at 10:27pm:
But totally representative of the Boongs, not to mention the tourists, 80% of whom have respected their wishes.

We won't ask about you, dear.


Reresentative of how many Boongs exactly?  And the tourists have no real choice, do they, unless they want to break out and say NO!


Why, the Boongs of Pitjantjatjara, dear - and all the others around the country who came out to celebrate.

Uluru is significant to ALL the Boongs. Giving it back to the spirit beings restores ancient law. No feminist Boongs have come out to suggest this is sexist, racist or sub-speciesist.

Tourists were allowed to climb the rock until last month. Out of respect, 80% refused to. The only people who want to be allowed to climb are feminists like FD, who'd like to climb the rock one day if they could be bothered driving 3 days through all that boring scenery.

In other words, they won't.

You?


What?  20 Boongs?  Bloody dictators... Ayers Rock (etc) is significant to AUSTRALIANS, mate - Boongs have no special place there any more... or anywhere else... time to move with the times....

I'd say 'respect' had nothing to do with it - many infirm or older citizens simply wouldn't want to climb it.. twisting it into some myth of 'respect' to suit the agenda is not helping discussion fair and free and open.  Many just go to look at it but the climb is for those seriously interested only - maybe 20% of the visitors...

Well - jolly gee gosh - the Boongs came and celebrated.. celebrated what?  The illusion that somehow 'they' had taken back 'their ' rock?   It was closed by an administrative decision from Whartey - to all climbers - purely for the reasons that it was being worn and tracked and it cost too much to rescue the few who fell ill or even died there - at a far lower rate than the national average...

It was closed by a government appointed body for purported reasons having zero to do with Aboriginals... just to save a few paltry dollars...

Tear Down the Signs!  Free The Rock!! 



...an old Australian climber lay dying (aaarg) , sighing... as he lay on his death bed, he started to sing... and the words went something like this....

Tie me Ayers Rock down, sport,
Tie me Ayers Rock down.
Climbers are wearin' it down sport,
So tie me Ayers Rock down.

Let me Abos climb loose, Blue,
Let me Abos climb loose...
They're of no spiritual (or insert term) use, Blue,
So let me Abos climb loose..

(everybody sing)

Tear the closure signs down, sport,
Tear the Closure signs down.
Tear the closure signs down, sport,
Tear the Closure signs down.




Sorry, dear, I should have been more clear.

Have YOU ever climbed the rock?



Not the point.... the point is that if I didn't - it was not for some BS 'respect' nonsense - it was because of other reasons of my own...

Here's how it works:-

Reality - 80% of visitors to Ayers Rock choose not to climb it for a wide variety of reasons - age, infirmity, lack of interest, too hard, etc...

Propagandaspeak - 80% of visitors to Ayers Rock choose not to climb it out of respect for Aboriginal sensitivities...




Catch my drift yet?  Don't piss down my back and tell me it's warm rain...
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Reply #629 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 6:42am
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 11:37am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 17th, 2019 at 10:58pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 17th, 2019 at 10:27pm:
But totally representative of the Boongs, not to mention the tourists, 80% of whom have respected their wishes.

We won't ask about you, dear.


Reresentative of how many Boongs exactly?  And the tourists have no real choice, do they, unless they want to break out and say NO!


Why, the Boongs of Pitjantjatjara, dear - and all the others around the country who came out to celebrate.

Uluru is significant to ALL the Boongs. Giving it back to the spirit beings restores ancient law. No feminist Boongs have come out to suggest this is sexist, racist or sub-speciesist.

Tourists were allowed to climb the rock until last month. Out of respect, 80% refused to. The only people who want to be allowed to climb are feminists like FD, who'd like to climb the rock one day if they could be bothered driving 3 days through all that boring scenery.

In other words, they won't.

You?


What rot.... how could that be?

Up until 200 yrs ago only those living in the vicinity would have known of it's existence.

That's strrrike 3 ........ ya out.
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Redmond Neck wrote on Nov 16th, 2019 at 9:36am:
I just regard it as an opportunity grabbed by the coons to jam something up the whiteys nose.

"We have the power and we will use it" sort of attitude .



they will be charging to cross a river soon.......

so much for reconciliation   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes...

they want separation   only they want whitey to pay for it...



They charge & have been charging for decades to cross the Jardine River to get to Cape York.

It's $100 return for a single vehicle - $130 return with a trailer/van.

Some people complain that the cost is too high but it includes camping costs where ever you go from there .... so it's not too bad really.

The biggest complaint is campers being grubs & leaving toilet paper & shyte strewn above ground everywhere .... too lazy to use a shovel or carry a portaloo.

15 years ago I went to a campgrounds in Freshwater National Park near Double Island Point(Where the Cherry Venture stranded in 1973)  ...it opens out onto Teewah beach that runs 50 klm from Double Island Point to Noosa.



People camp all along here ..... and up behind the dunes everywhere it was strewn with shyte & toilet paper ...... a fargin disgrace.

Caused by ignorant city slickers.

The same thing was happening on Fraser Island until regulated & monitored camping sites were bought in.

https://www.nparc.qld.gov.au/services/travel-transport/ferry-ticket


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Gnads wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 6:42am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 11:37am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 17th, 2019 at 10:58pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 17th, 2019 at 10:27pm:
But totally representative of the Boongs, not to mention the tourists, 80% of whom have respected their wishes.

We won't ask about you, dear.


Reresentative of how many Boongs exactly?  And the tourists have no real choice, do they, unless they want to break out and say NO!


Why, the Boongs of Pitjantjatjara, dear - and all the others around the country who came out to celebrate.

Uluru is significant to ALL the Boongs. Giving it back to the spirit beings restores ancient law. No feminist Boongs have come out to suggest this is sexist, racist or sub-speciesist.

Tourists were allowed to climb the rock until last month. Out of respect, 80% refused to. The only people who want to be allowed to climb are feminists like FD, who'd like to climb the rock one day if they could be bothered driving 3 days through all that boring scenery.

In other words, they won't.

You?


What rot.... how could that be?

Up until 200 yrs ago only those living in the vicinity would have known of it's existence.

That's strrrike 3 ........ ya out.


That's ancient lore, not law - and law must, by law, be equal for everyone, and not just a whim of a minority.
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Reply #632 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 10:18am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 3:19pm:
This reminds me of Abu's argument that Islam is entirely consistent with democracy. Just a "different type" of democracy, in which only muslims can vote, only Muslims can run for office, and Shariah law is the only platform you can run on.

If you cannot sell it, and you cannot even sell your share of it, and the government still has control over it, and you have no direct personal influence over what happens with it, then you do not own it. The analogy with the exercise of private property rights is entirely misleading, and just another desperate attempt to sweep government sponsored racism, sexism, communism etc under the carpet.


So what is your point then? That they don't really own it and therefore shouldn't be allowed to ban climbing - or that they should be given 'proper' ownership rights so its not so wacist? You are hopping from one leg to another, alternating between 'wacist and mysoginistic Aborigines - how dare they be so mean to whitey' and 'wacist government - how dare they be so mean to the Aborigines'. Like I said, you can't work out who you are whinging about.

freediver wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 3:19pm:
You mean other than the fact that it is racist and sexist? Why is that not a legitimate basis?


Yes FD, other than that.

It is not legitimate because it is based on lies. Merely repeating the claim does not change the fact that its based on lies
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Reply #633 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 11:19am
 
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So what is your point then?


Ooh, let's go round this circle again.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 10:58am:
freediver wrote on Nov 16th, 2019 at 9:28am:
My point with the argument that they do not actually own it is that they do not actually own it. This is in response to the argument from just about everyone who supports the ban that it is "merely" an exercise in private property rights.


All you have demonstrated is that the rock is under a different kind of ownership than the more traditional kind. So there are conditions attached to it - you can 'own it' but you have to lease it back to the government. However the new 'owners' still have the right to ban climbing.

I don't see any problem with this. Its merely another case of the government offering 'ownership' of property by decree, with whatever conditions they want to stipulate. Same as they do with all kinds of property rights all the time. But for once it isn't decreeing property rights to white settlers invading the native's land, but rather decreeing it back to the original owners of the land.

I suspect its the reversal of this 'natural order' in the way property was divied up for most of the past 200+ years of settlement is whats getting up your nose. Its a pretty unsubtle and transparent racist objection. There is certainly no reasonable or legitimate basis to your objection - which would explain your resort to ridiculous lies about the black owners wanting to have the rock for themselves to climb and this being about some misogynistic banning of women.

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Reply #634 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 12:23pm
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 6:42am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 11:37am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 17th, 2019 at 10:58pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 17th, 2019 at 10:27pm:
But totally representative of the Boongs, not to mention the tourists, 80% of whom have respected their wishes.

We won't ask about you, dear.


Reresentative of how many Boongs exactly?  And the tourists have no real choice, do they, unless they want to break out and say NO!


Why, the Boongs of Pitjantjatjara, dear - and all the others around the country who came out to celebrate.

Uluru is significant to ALL the Boongs. Giving it back to the spirit beings restores ancient law. No feminist Boongs have come out to suggest this is sexist, racist or sub-speciesist.

Tourists were allowed to climb the rock until last month. Out of respect, 80% refused to. The only people who want to be allowed to climb are feminists like FD, who'd like to climb the rock one day if they could be bothered driving 3 days through all that boring scenery.

In other words, they won't.

You?


What rot.... how could that be?

Up until 200 yrs ago only those living in the vicinity would have known of it's existence.

That's strrrike 3 ........ ya out.


Oh, I see. What I should have said is Uluru is significant to all the Boongs since the circulation of its image nationally via mass media, introduced by Whitey.

Media is not a race, ya?
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Reply #635 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 12:29pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 11:19am:
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So what is your point then?


Ooh, let's go round this circle again.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 10:58am:
freediver wrote on Nov 16th, 2019 at 9:28am:
My point with the argument that they do not actually own it is that they do not actually own it. This is in response to the argument from just about everyone who supports the ban that it is "merely" an exercise in private property rights.


All you have demonstrated is that the rock is under a different kind of ownership than the more traditional kind. So there are conditions attached to it - you can 'own it' but you have to lease it back to the government. However the new 'owners' still have the right to ban climbing.

I don't see any problem with this. Its merely another case of the government offering 'ownership' of property by decree, with whatever conditions they want to stipulate. Same as they do with all kinds of property rights all the time. But for once it isn't decreeing property rights to white settlers invading the native's land, but rather decreeing it back to the original owners of the land.

I suspect its the reversal of this 'natural order' in the way property was divied up for most of the past 200+ years of settlement is whats getting up your nose. Its a pretty unsubtle and transparent racist objection. There is certainly no reasonable or legitimate basis to your objection - which would explain your resort to ridiculous lies about the black owners wanting to have the rock for themselves to climb and this being about some misogynistic banning of women.



Yes, let's. The Boongs have no rights over Ayers Rock because they do not own it because they do not own it.

That will allow G to ask why and you can refer him to your answer again and say how mean it is when he puts words in your mouth.
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Re: RIP Ayres Rock
Reply #636 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 2:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 11:19am:
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So what is your point then?


Ooh, let's go round this circle again.


Or you could always move on like the rest of us and answer the actual question. Feel free to pay attention to what I actually asked. You can even quote it this time if it helps.

(hint: I didn't ask you to expand on why you think the justification of 'ownership' in this case is flawed)
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Reply #637 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 3:24pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 2:47pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 11:19am:
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So what is your point then?


Ooh, let's go round this circle again.


Or you could always move on like the rest of us and answer the actual question. Feel free to pay attention to what I actually asked. You can even quote it this time if it helps.

(hint: I didn't ask you to expand on why you think the justification of 'ownership' in this case is flawed)


You asked me what my point is. If I am not making the point you thought I was, that does not mean I am answering your question.

My point with the argument that they do not actually own it is that they do not actually own it. This is in response to the argument from just about everyone who supports the ban that it is "merely" an exercise in private property rights.

Now ask me again what my point is.
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Reply #638 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 3:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 3:24pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 2:47pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 11:19am:
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So what is your point then?


Ooh, let's go round this circle again.


Or you could always move on like the rest of us and answer the actual question. Feel free to pay attention to what I actually asked. You can even quote it this time if it helps.

(hint: I didn't ask you to expand on why you think the justification of 'ownership' in this case is flawed)


You asked me what my point is. If I am not making the point you thought I was, that does not mean I am answering your question.

My point with the argument that they do not actually own it is that they do not actually own it.

Now ask me again what my point is.


I think we've got it, FD.

Still, you'll need to give G a test to make sure. We'll do a multiple choice.

The Boongs don't own Ayers Rock because:

A. They don't actually own it.
B. They didn't keep the receipt.
C. Whitey was just tricking.
D. They're an inferior sub-species.
E. They won't let you climb it if you could be bothered spending 3 days driving through all that boring scenery.
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Reply #639 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 4:27pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 3:53pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 3:24pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 2:47pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 11:19am:
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So what is your point then?


Ooh, let's go round this circle again.


Or you could always move on like the rest of us and answer the actual question. Feel free to pay attention to what I actually asked. You can even quote it this time if it helps.

(hint: I didn't ask you to expand on why you think the justification of 'ownership' in this case is flawed)


You asked me what my point is. If I am not making the point you thought I was, that does not mean I am answering your question.

My point with the argument that they do not actually own it is that they do not actually own it.

Now ask me again what my point is.


I think we've got it, FD.

Still, you'll need to give G a test to make sure. We'll do a multiple choice.

The Boongs don't own Ayers Rock because:

A. They don't actually own it.
B. They didn't keep the receipt.
C. Whitey was just tricking.
D. They're an inferior sub-species.
E. They won't let you climb it if you could be bothered spending 3 days driving through all that boring scenery.


Lock in D), Eddie... I'll take the millyun dullahs now thanks...

Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

NOBODY owns a national icon - it is common property of the people of this nation - get used to it... restrictions on climbing have nothing to do with Kaffir Kool, bro..

You need to learn the difference between various kinds of ownership - in many cases the word 'ownership' does not apply and has, quite obviously, lead to a lot of confusion especially with Indigenes and their running dogs...

Plebiscite NOW!
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Reply #640 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 7:04pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 4:27pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 3:53pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 3:24pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 2:47pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 11:19am:
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So what is your point then?


Ooh, let's go round this circle again.


Or you could always move on like the rest of us and answer the actual question. Feel free to pay attention to what I actually asked. You can even quote it this time if it helps.

(hint: I didn't ask you to expand on why you think the justification of 'ownership' in this case is flawed)


You asked me what my point is. If I am not making the point you thought I was, that does not mean I am answering your question.

My point with the argument that they do not actually own it is that they do not actually own it.

Now ask me again what my point is.


I think we've got it, FD.

Still, you'll need to give G a test to make sure. We'll do a multiple choice.

The Boongs don't own Ayers Rock because:

A. They don't actually own it.
B. They didn't keep the receipt.
C. Whitey was just tricking.
D. They're an inferior sub-species.
E. They won't let you climb it if you could be bothered spending 3 days driving through all that boring scenery.


Lock in D), Eddie... I'll take the millyun dullahs now thanks...

Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

NOBODY owns a national icon - it is common property of the people of this nation - get used to it... restrictions on climbing have nothing to do with Kaffir Kool, bro..

You need to learn the difference between various kinds of ownership - in many cases the word 'ownership' does not apply and has, quite obviously, lead to a lot of confusion especially with Indigenes and their running dogs...

Plebiscite NOW!


A national icon?

Impossible. Whitey and the Boongs knew nothing about it back in 1788.

You said so yourself, dear.

They invented a stick, no?
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Reply #641 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 7:07pm
 
You steal Australia from the Blacks.

Then the Blacks steal the Media from you.

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Reply #642 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 7:11pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
You steal Australia from the Blacks.

Then the Blacks steal the Media from you.

Grin Grin


WE didn't steal anything from anybody.. WE are Indigenous - were were born here after many generations.
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Reply #643 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 7:12pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
You steal Australia from the Blacks.

Then the Blacks steal the Media from you.

Grin Grin


I know. Things were so much better when we had black & white TV, no?

Typical.
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Reply #644 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 7:12pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 7:04pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 4:27pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 3:53pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 3:24pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 2:47pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 11:19am:
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So what is your point then?


Ooh, let's go round this circle again.


Or you could always move on like the rest of us and answer the actual question. Feel free to pay attention to what I actually asked. You can even quote it this time if it helps.

(hint: I didn't ask you to expand on why you think the justification of 'ownership' in this case is flawed)


You asked me what my point is. If I am not making the point you thought I was, that does not mean I am answering your question.

My point with the argument that they do not actually own it is that they do not actually own it.

Now ask me again what my point is.


I think we've got it, FD.

Still, you'll need to give G a test to make sure. We'll do a multiple choice.

The Boongs don't own Ayers Rock because:

A. They don't actually own it.
B. They didn't keep the receipt.
C. Whitey was just tricking.
D. They're an inferior sub-species.
E. They won't let you climb it if you could be bothered spending 3 days driving through all that boring scenery.


Lock in D), Eddie... I'll take the millyun dullahs now thanks...

Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

NOBODY owns a national icon - it is common property of the people of this nation - get used to it... restrictions on climbing have nothing to do with Kaffir Kool, bro..

You need to learn the difference between various kinds of ownership - in many cases the word 'ownership' does not apply and has, quite obviously, lead to a lot of confusion especially with Indigenes and their running dogs...

Plebiscite NOW!


A national icon?

Impossible. Whitey and the Boongs knew nothing about it back in 1788.

You said so yourself, dear.

They invented a stick, no?


Australia became a NATION of all states and territories in 1901, sonny.

Try to keep up...

God, you're easy meat ...   Grin  Grin
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Reply #645 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 7:16pm
 
Gotta admire the old Aboriginal woman who turned up in Whitey's wheelchair and all the rest of them decked out in Whitey's clothing and hats and stuff, and using Whitey's words - and thinking they were getting back a rock on some silly sacred idea... as if it was a right - when the reality is that a government appointed body took over and shut it down for their own silly reasons having nothing to do with any Aboriginals 'owning' it.

Yet you silly lot go on and on...

The Rock IS FREE - just take it and use it as you wish... what are they gonna do to you?

Sheep - frightened off a National Property by a few signs with no value... you ever heard of a Ghost Fence?  That's it in action...

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Reply #646 - Nov 22nd, 2019 at 8:18pm
 
The simple fact is this on October 25 1985 the Governor General gave the Anangu people the title to their land.

Complaining that you can't climb a rock on Anangu land is the same as complaining a pastoralist hasn't let you climb anything on their land.

If you don't have permission then too bad.
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Reply #647 - Nov 22nd, 2019 at 8:36pm
 
Raven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 8:18pm:
The simple fact is this on October 25 1985 the Governor General gave the Anangu people the title to their land.

Complaining that you can't climb a rock on Anangu land is the same as complaining a pastoralist hasn't let you climb anything on their land.

If you don't have permission then too bad.


I don't know about "climbing" but you can legally pass through station land(pastoralists) and I have. Just remember to leave the gates as you find them. Might be able to find some pics of our travels off to the north of the Gibb River Road in 84 in our HK.

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Reply #648 - Nov 22nd, 2019 at 9:42pm
 
ShockedSetanta wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 8:36pm:
Raven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 8:18pm:
The simple fact is this on October 25 1985 the Governor General gave the Anangu people the title to their land.

Complaining that you can't climb a rock on Anangu land is the same as complaining a pastoralist hasn't let you climb anything on their land.

If you don't have permission then too bad.


I don't know about "climbing" but you can legally pass through station land(pastoralists) and I have. Just remember to leave the gates as you find them. Might be able to find some pics of our travels off to the north of the Gibb River Road in 84 in our HK.



And you can legally pass through Anangu land. Those station lands you passed through, if you were aware of areas they told you to avoid, would you go there?
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Reply #649 - Nov 22nd, 2019 at 9:51pm
 
Raven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 8:18pm:
The simple fact is this on October 25 1985 the Governor General gave the Anangu people the title to their land.

Complaining that you can't climb a rock on Anangu land is the same as complaining a pastoralist hasn't let you climb anything on their land.

If you don't have permission then too bad.


So government is the ultimate authority and we should stop complaining if we don't like what they do?

Can you dumb it down any more?
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Reply #650 - Nov 22nd, 2019 at 10:20pm
 
Raven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 9:42pm:
ShockedSetanta wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 8:36pm:
Raven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 8:18pm:
The simple fact is this on October 25 1985 the Governor General gave the Anangu people the title to their land.

Complaining that you can't climb a rock on Anangu land is the same as complaining a pastoralist hasn't let you climb anything on their land.

If you don't have permission then too bad.


I don't know about "climbing" but you can legally pass through station land(pastoralists) and I have. Just remember to leave the gates as you find them. Might be able to find some pics of our travels off to the north of the Gibb River Road in 84 in our HK.



And you can legally pass through Anangu land. Those station lands you passed through, if you were aware of areas they told you to avoid, would you go there?


I don't know. Local elders have given my family, one a woman, my wife, permission to climb Mt Warning. We haven't but would that permission be rescinded if they disallow climbing?
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freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 9:51pm:
Raven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 8:18pm:
The simple fact is this on October 25 1985 the Governor General gave the Anangu people the title to their land.

Complaining that you can't climb a rock on Anangu land is the same as complaining a pastoralist hasn't let you climb anything on their land.

If you don't have permission then too bad.


So government is the ultimate authority and we should stop complaining if we don't like what they do?

Can you dumb it down any more?



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Reply #652 - Nov 22nd, 2019 at 11:58pm
 
Raven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 9:42pm:
ShockedSetanta wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 8:36pm:
Raven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 8:18pm:
The simple fact is this on October 25 1985 the Governor General gave the Anangu people the title to their land.

Complaining that you can't climb a rock on Anangu land is the same as complaining a pastoralist hasn't let you climb anything on their land.

If you don't have permission then too bad.


I don't know about "climbing" but you can legally pass through station land(pastoralists) and I have. Just remember to leave the gates as you find them. Might be able to find some pics of our travels off to the north of the Gibb River Road in 84 in our HK.



And you can legally pass through Anangu land. Those station lands you passed through, if you were aware of areas they told you to avoid, would you go there?


So I can 'legally' climb 'their' Rock?  Thanks, mate...

It depends on WHY you were told not to pass through them - say ... errrr... swamp.... no roads... no access...

I'd hardly think that any Outback grazier saying not to go somewhere would be because it somehow adversely affects his cattle - like ten to a thousand acres etc...  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

Are you saying now that the 'closure' of The Rock is solely because of safety considerations - ergo - has nothing to do with any 'tribal' wants?

So tell me now - is the 'closure ' of climbing of Our Rock because of some Aboriginal want - or is it a necessity?  You know - needs versus wants?

Which is it?

Does the government appointed body state clearly that is is because of some Aboriginal myth about 'spirits'?


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Reply #653 - Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:05am
 
Exactly whose 'permission' is required?

HELLO? You mean I can gain 'permission'?  How so?  If that is the case, and people can gain 'permission'' through some process - why close it at all if the ban is on ALL climbing of Our Rock?

Give me YOUR reasons.  And try to be civil and non-racist about it, kids.

Free Fire Zone on all Boongs trying to climb Our Rock.... sounds good.. total closure means TOTAL.

Come back, good buddy???  **coughs** anyone got a valid answer?
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Reply #654 - Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 9:51pm:
Raven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 8:18pm:
The simple fact is this on October 25 1985 the Governor General gave the Anangu people the title to their land.

Complaining that you can't climb a rock on Anangu land is the same as complaining a pastoralist hasn't let you climb anything on their land.

If you don't have permission then too bad.


So government is the ultimate authority and we should stop complaining if we don't like what they do?

Can you dumb it down any more?


Are you saying they don't own it because you complain about the government giving it to them?

I'm curious, but you won't say.
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Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:14pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 9:51pm:
Raven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 8:18pm:
The simple fact is this on October 25 1985 the Governor General gave the Anangu people the title to their land.

Complaining that you can't climb a rock on Anangu land is the same as complaining a pastoralist hasn't let you climb anything on their land.

If you don't have permission then too bad.


So government is the ultimate authority and we should stop complaining if we don't like what they do?

Can you dumb it down any more?


Are you saying they don't own it because you complain about the government giving it to them?

I'm curious, but you won't say.


Our government has a long history of giving people land. That's how this country was built. But they did not give Ayers rock to anyone. Even they did not think the Anungu were capable of managing it properly.
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The Queen is set to relinquish all British entitlement to their Colony Australia upon her death.
"All of Australia will be returned to the Aboriginal peoples and we thank them for allowing us to 'borrow' some of it to process our Convicts."


Two weeks after the Queen's passing, all Australians will come under the rule of Aboriginal Australia.

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Jasin wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 1:11pm:
The Queen is set to relinquish all British entitlement to their Colony Australia upon her death.
"All of Australia will be returned to the Aboriginal peoples and we thank them for allowing us to 'borrow' some of it to process our Convicts."


Two weeks after the Queen's passing, all Australians will come under the rule of Aboriginal Australia.



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Two weeks after the Queen's passing, all Australians will come under the rule of Aboriginal Australia.

Link please, .JaSin.

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Reply #659 - Nov 23rd, 2019 at 1:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:17pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:14pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 9:51pm:
Raven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 8:18pm:
The simple fact is this on October 25 1985 the Governor General gave the Anangu people the title to their land.

Complaining that you can't climb a rock on Anangu land is the same as complaining a pastoralist hasn't let you climb anything on their land.

If you don't have permission then too bad.


So government is the ultimate authority and we should stop complaining if we don't like what they do?

Can you dumb it down any more?


Are you saying they don't own it because you complain about the government giving it to them?

I'm curious, but you won't say.


Our government has a long history of giving people land. That's how this country was built. But they did not give Ayers rock to anyone. Even they did not think the Anungu were capable of managing it properly.



they also know that on giving they can also take away...


its only ever on loan....and then only at the govt of the days pleasure..
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Reply #660 - Nov 23rd, 2019 at 1:43pm
 
Carl D wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 1:24pm:
Two weeks after the Queen's passing, all Australians will come under the rule of Aboriginal Australia.

Link please, .JaSin.

*notes that .JaSin. seemed to log off very quickly after Betty and I posted. Grin

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I have paid more than enough taxes in my life to be entitled to climb over a rock.




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Valkie wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 6:36pm:
I have paid more than enough taxes in my life to be entitled to climb over a rock.



You might want to climb on Gordon's synagogue, Matty.

I'm not sure what you'd have to pay for that, dear.
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freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:17pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:14pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 9:51pm:
Raven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 8:18pm:
The simple fact is this on October 25 1985 the Governor General gave the Anangu people the title to their land.

Complaining that you can't climb a rock on Anangu land is the same as complaining a pastoralist hasn't let you climb anything on their land.

If you don't have permission then too bad.


So government is the ultimate authority and we should stop complaining if we don't like what they do?

Can you dumb it down any more?


Are you saying they don't own it because you complain about the government giving it to them?

I'm curious, but you won't say.


Our government has a long history of giving people land. That's how this country was built. But they did not give Ayers rock to anyone. Even they did not think the Anungu were capable of managing it properly.


They're managing it now, dear. How many squatter's properties have you been bothered to drive through three days of boring scenery to trespass on?
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Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 9:23pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:17pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:14pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 9:51pm:
Raven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 8:18pm:
The simple fact is this on October 25 1985 the Governor General gave the Anangu people the title to their land.

Complaining that you can't climb a rock on Anangu land is the same as complaining a pastoralist hasn't let you climb anything on their land.

If you don't have permission then too bad.


So government is the ultimate authority and we should stop complaining if we don't like what they do?

Can you dumb it down any more?


Are you saying they don't own it because you complain about the government giving it to them?

I'm curious, but you won't say.


Our government has a long history of giving people land. That's how this country was built. But they did not give Ayers rock to anyone. Even they did not think the Anungu were capable of managing it properly.


They're managing it now, dear. How many squatter's properties have you been bothered to drive through three days of boring scenery to trespass on?



How exactly are they 'managing' it when they can't climb it?  Just fencing it off to everyone without a by your leave?  Who 'closed it off' and removed all the chains and stuff?  The local tribe? There's no 'managing' to be done of a field left fallow, and the Rock just sits there - without their intervention.

Wow.... meantime - are their serious social issues improving?  Is there a management fee involved here?  If so, why so?  The Rock is closed off to all for self-maintenance ........ nothing to do with them.....

Why do you persist in making this an 'us and them' issue?
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You want to climb the ...precious, don't you.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 11:07pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 9:23pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:17pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:14pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 9:51pm:
Raven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 8:18pm:
The simple fact is this on October 25 1985 the Governor General gave the Anangu people the title to their land.

Complaining that you can't climb a rock on Anangu land is the same as complaining a pastoralist hasn't let you climb anything on their land.

If you don't have permission then too bad.


So government is the ultimate authority and we should stop complaining if we don't like what they do?

Can you dumb it down any more?


Are you saying they don't own it because you complain about the government giving it to them?

I'm curious, but you won't say.


Our government has a long history of giving people land. That's how this country was built. But they did not give Ayers rock to anyone. Even they did not think the Anungu were capable of managing it properly.


They're managing it now, dear. How many squatter's properties have you been bothered to drive through three days of boring scenery to trespass on?



How exactly are they 'managing' it when they can't climb it?  Just fencing it off to everyone without a by your leave?  Who 'closed it off' and removed all the chains and stuff?  The local tribe? There's no 'managing' to be done of a field left fallow, and the Rock just sits there - without their intervention.

Wow.... meantime - are their serious social issues improving?  Is there a management fee involved here?  If so, why so?  The Rock is closed off to all for self-maintenance ........ nothing to do with them.....

Why do you persist in making this an 'us and them' issue?


Are you saying they've improved their fencing-contracting skills, are you?

Who'd they learn that from, son?
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Jimmy Governor had great fencing skills... must have rubbed off... Secret White Man's Magic this fencing and getting it straight... many things should be got straight...
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Religion: invented to keep the Whities ignorant that the entire world was already colonised by Darkies. Grin
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What do you think, FD? You started this.

White sustainability, innit.
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Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 9:20pm:
Valkie wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 6:36pm:
I have paid more than enough taxes in my life to be entitled to climb over a rock.



You might want to climb on Gordon's synagogue, Matty.

I'm not sure what you'd have to pay for that, dear.


Now why would I want to climb on something like a building?

I can wander through it anytime, no problem.

But a rock?
Nothing manufacture about a rock.
No religious carvings to damage on the rock.
No culturally significant anything to worry about

They simply want to be able to say
We stopped ya......

So,
We SHOUKD stop the dole to the most parasitical race on earth.
We SHOUKD stop throwing money at a bunch of drugged up lazy drunks.
We most definitely should tell them to get a damn job and contribute for once in their lousy, lazy, pointless parasitical lives.

Eventually Australia will wake up to these oxygen wasters.
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If a white person were to turn up with a can of spray paint and write their name on the rock, they would probably get arrested. But when aborigines do it we cheer on their culture. This is the sort of racist hypocrisy that modern political correctness engenders.
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freediver wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 10:54am:
If a white person were to turn up with a can of spray paint and write their name on the rock, they would probably get arrested. But when aborigines do it we cheer on their culture. This is the sort of racist hypocrisy that modern political correctness engenders.


Well then, you need to 'draw the _________' between the Australia that serves the Media and all of its 'bias' towards Black, Blue, Yellow & Grey Men ...compared to the Internet all of its bias towards the White, Red, Brown and Green Men of the World.
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So we need to start seeing every issue in terms of colours?
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freediver wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 11:01am:
So we need to start seeing every issue in terms of colours?


Yes. Anything the Black Male (a keeper of the Past) does is sanctioned by the Media.
Anything the Black Female (taker of the Future and more politically savvy) does is sanctioned by the Internet.

Complicated world isn't it.
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If a white person were to turn up with a can of spray paint and write their name on the rock, they would probably get arrested. But when aborigines do it we cheer on their culture. This is the sort of racist hypocrisy that modern political correctness engenders.


That's true, FD. When the Boongs do it you you call it terrorism.
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So we need to start seeing every issue in terms of colours?


Not colours, FD, culture.

Tinted versus tanned, remember. Them versus us.

You started this jolly board, dear. You know the drill.

They don't own it because they're tinted.
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Jasin wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 11:07am:
freediver wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 11:01am:
So we need to start seeing every issue in terms of colours?


Yes. Anything the Black Male (a keeper of the Past) does is sanctioned by the Media.
Anything the Black Female (taker of the Future and more politically savvy) does is sanctioned by the Internet.

Complicated world isn't it.



There is a solid base in your comedy routine - keep working on it ... we'll call you....  Cool
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You forget.
They are 'fellow' Australians.
Not Aliens.
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They are 'fellow' Australians.
Not Aliens.


They're Boongs.
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You forget.
They are 'fellow' Australians.
Not Aliens.


... long as you remember we're ALL 'fellow Australians'... and Entitled™ to the same Privileges™ without Special™ treatment .....

An old Australian climber was lying... dying (ooooh-aaH!) ... as his old mate stood near, he quietly broke into his Death Song...... and it went something like this...

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"Close me climbing rocks down, sport,
Close me climbing rocks down,
Abos all need a new rort, sport,
So close me climbing rocks down...

(all together now)

Close me climbing rocks down, sport,
Close me climbing rocks down,
Close me climbing rocks down, sport,
Close me climbing rocks down.

Let the spirits hold sway, sport,
Let the spirits hold sway,
They're all on government pay, sport,
So let the spirits hold sway...

(chorus)

Hand me Abos me juice, Bruce,
Hand me Abos me juice,
Just syphon it out of me ute, Bruce,
And let me Abos sniff juice...

(chorus)

(voice) .. Yer know, with the bushfires an' all.. the magpies up this way 'ave been flyin' backwards t' keep the smoke outta their eyes..... it's that bad... so bad it blotted out the sun so much the local Abos an' Sallows can't even get a suntan... bloody crook when it gets that bad, I tell yez....  Undecided

Sooo..

Tan me hide when I'm dead, Fred,
Let me get handouts instead...

So we laid 'im on the tanning bed, Fred
And he gets his handouts like he said!


Close me climbing rocks down, sport,
Close me climbing rocks down,

(all together now)

Close me climbing rocks down, sport,
Close me climbing rocks down,
Close me climbing rocks down, sport,
Close me climbing rocks down.




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The Abbbbos didn't even know what Ayer Rock actually was.

Any non-abbo person who believes this stuff is someone we'd call a drug addict or schizophrenic.


Their explanation on how Uluru formed resolves around their 10 ancestral beings. As each these ancestral spirits from the Dreamtime had a hand at creating the rock. The southern area of Uluru formed due to the war between the poisonous and carpet snakes. The north-west side of Uluru formed from the hare people, otherwise known as Mala. The indigenous community regards Uluru as a living form, and it is especially sacred to the Yankunytjatjara and Pitjantjatjara people. They consider this structure a dwelling for past spirits to live in.
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The Abbbbos didn't even know what Ayer Rock actually was.

Any non-abbo person who believes this stuff is someone we'd call a drug addict or schizophrenic.


Their explanation on how Uluru formed resolves around their 10 ancestral beings. As each these ancestral spirits from the Dreamtime had a hand at creating the rock. The southern area of Uluru formed due to the war between the poisonous and carpet snakes. The north-west side of Uluru formed from the hare people, otherwise known as Mala. The indigenous community regards Uluru as a living form, and it is especially sacred to the Yankunytjatjara and Pitjantjatjara people. They consider this structure a dwelling for past spirits to live in.


It's called 'Humanising' my friend.
Scientifically discovered, Uluru is the upturned end of a 24km long solidified river of sediment millions of years old. The Olgas also.

But the Aboriginal explaination for Uluru adds Humanisation, much like we give a name and almost 'entity' to a loved Car, a Ship, a Deep Space Probe. Even 'machines' seem to gain a personality of their own... a humanising character. This is as much real to us as Humans to tell 'our' story of this World and the Universe. This is how we see things through our own eyes and not that of the Hubble Telescope... the Horsehead Nebula - because it looks like a horse, but it isn't is it?

Aboriginal humanising of a rock, a pool of water and the long sunken land that is now the Great Barrier Reef (now dying and will die), is no different than far-fetched Iron Man of Marvel Cinema - where people go to see their 'Gods' up there on the big screen Temples. Create an evil character like the Joker and you'll get his real life 'disciples' doing much the same.

I am not Aboriginal.
I am a Diver.
I am one with the water, as they are with the land.

When we humanise something, we become one with it.
Thus, they became one with this land and that bond is as solid as a rock. Like some are still chained to a far distant past.
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Jasin wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 12:58pm:
You forget.
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Not Aliens.


... long as you remember we're ALL 'fellow Australians'... and Entitled™ to the same Privileges™ without Special™ treatment .....

An old Australian climber was lying... dying (ooooh-aaH!) ... as his old mate stood near, he quietly broke into his Death Song...... and it went something like this...

**wobble board**

"Close me climbing rocks down, sport,
Close me climbing rocks down,
Abos all need a new rort, sport,
So close me climbing rocks down...

(all together now)

Close me climbing rocks down, sport,
Close me climbing rocks down,
Close me climbing rocks down, sport,
Close me climbing rocks down.

Let the spirits hold sway, sport,
Let the spirits hold sway,
They're all on government pay, sport,
So let the spirits hold sway...

(chorus)

Hand me Abos me juice, Bruce,
Hand me Abos me juice,
Just syphon it out of me ute, Bruce,
And let me Abos sniff juice...

(chorus)

(voice) .. Yer know, with the bushfires an' all.. the magpies up this way 'ave been flyin' backwards t' keep the smoke outta their eyes..... it's that bad... so bad it blotted out the sun so much the local Abos an' Sallows can't even get a suntan... bloody crook when it gets that bad, I tell yez....  Undecided

Sooo..

Tan me hide when I'm dead, Fred,
Let me get handouts instead...

So we laid 'im on the tanning bed, Fred
And he gets his handouts like he said!


Close me climbing rocks down, sport,
Close me climbing rocks down,

(all together now)

Close me climbing rocks down, sport,
Close me climbing rocks down,
Close me climbing rocks down, sport,
Close me climbing rocks down.






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Needed work:-

An old Australian climber was lying... dying (ooooh-aaH!) ... as his old mate stood near, he quietly broke into his Death Song...... and it went something like this...

**wobble board**

"Close me climbing rocks down, Cliff,
Close me climbing rocks down,
Abos all need a new rort, Cliff,
So close me climbing rocks down...

(all together now)

Close me climbing rocks down, sport,
Close me climbing rocks down,
Close me climbing rocks down, sport,
Close me climbing rocks down.

Let the spirits hold sway, Day,
Let the spirits hold sway,
They're all on government pay, Day,
So let those spirits hold sway...

(chorus)

Hand me Abos me juice, Bruce,
Hand me Abos me juice,
Just syphon it out of me ute, Bruce,
And let me Abos sniff juice...

(chorus)

(voice) .. Yer know, with the bushfires an' all.. the magpies up this way 'ave been flyin' backwards t' keep the smoke outta their eyes..... it's that bad... so bad it blotted out the sun so much the local Abos an' Sallows can't even get a suntan... bloody crook when it gets that bad, I tell yez....[   Undecided

Sooo..

Tan me hide when I'm dead, Fred,
Let me get handouts instead...
So we laid 'im on the tanning bed, Fred

...kinda like Stan The Tan, innit....

And he gets his handouts like he said!


Close me climbing rocks down, sport,
Close me climbing rocks down,

(all together now)

Close me climbing rocks down, sport,
Close me climbing rocks down,
Close me climbing rocks down, sport,
Close me climbing rocks down.
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Reply #688 - Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:44am
 
are you still suffering from rock climbers syndrome...where the knees ache to climb every mountain only the ones not heritage listed of course... Smiley Smiley I am sure this depriviation will soon pass who knows you may even take up skydiving instead.
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Oom, yacka, wurka
Oom, yacka, wurka
Oom, yacka, wurka

In the bad back lands of Australia
Many years ago
The aborigine tribes were meeting
Having a big pow-wow

Oom, yacka, wurka
Oom, yacka, wurka

We got a lot of trouble, Chief
On account of your son Mack
My boy Mack? Why, what's wrong with him?
My Uluru won't come back
Your Uluru won't come back?

My Uluru won't come back
My Uluru won't come back
I've waved the flag all over the place
Ranted till I was black in the face
I'm a big disgrace to the Aborigine race
My Uluru won't come back

I can ride a kangaroo
(Yeah, yeah)
Make Kinkajou stew
(Yeah, yeah)
But I'm a big disgrace to the aborigine race
My Uluru  won't come back

They banished him from the tribe then
And sent him on his way
He had a backless Uluru
So here he could not stay

This is nice, innit? Getting banished at my time of life
What a way to spend an evening
Sitting on a rock in the middle of the desert
With me Uluru right to hand
I shall very likely get bushwhacked

Get out of it, you nasty bushwhacking animal
Think I'll make a nice cup of tea
(Doing, doing, doing)
Good gracious, there goes a White Climber
I must have a practice with me Uluru protest
Hit him right behind the left ear hole
Now then, slowly back

If you throw that thing at me
I'll jump right on your head
(It chuckles and bounces away)
Innit marvelous?
Got a land full of kangaroos
And I had to pick that one

For three long months he sat there
Or maybe it was four
Then an old old man in a kangaroo skin (Ken Wyatt)
Came a-knocking at his door

Well, I'm the local witch doctor, son
They call me Ken Wy Att
Now tell me, what's your trouble, boy?
My Uluru won't come back
Your Uluru won't come back?

My Uluru  won't come back
My Uluru  won't come back
I've protested all over the place
Waved that flag in whitey's face
I'm a big disgrace to the aborigine race
My Uluru  won't come back

Don't worry, boy, I know the trick
And to you I'm gonna show it
If you want your Uluru  to come back
Well, first you've got to close it

Ooh, yes, never thought of that
Daddy will be pleased
Must have a go, nyuh, huh, excuse me
Now then, slowly back and close

Ooh my God, I've locked out the flying doctor
Eee, hee, hee, can you do first aid?
Don't talk to me about first aid
Boy, you owe me fourteen chickens

You know, when I learned you to close the Rock
You know, first things first
Yes, I know that but I mean
I think on this occasion, you know
You could be a bit more constructive
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Reply #690 - Nov 25th, 2019 at 2:35pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 3:24pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 2:47pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 11:19am:
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So what is your point then?


Ooh, let's go round this circle again.


Or you could always move on like the rest of us and answer the actual question. Feel free to pay attention to what I actually asked. You can even quote it this time if it helps.

(hint: I didn't ask you to expand on why you think the justification of 'ownership' in this case is flawed)


You asked me what my point is. If I am not making the point you thought I was, that does not mean I am answering your question.

My point with the argument that they do not actually own it is that they do not actually own it. This is in response to the argument from just about everyone who supports the ban that it is "merely" an exercise in private property rights.

Now ask me again what my point is.


Ok I will - since you still haven't answered.

All you are saying is that they don't own it in the normal way that we understand private property ownership. That may refute the idea that the ban is consistent with the norms of standard property ownership laws, but it still doesn't explain your objection to it. Why, for example, isn't it acceptable to class the rock under a different kind of ownership, that has less ownership rights as 'normal' property ownership , but nevertheless allows its owners to legitimately issue a ban on climbing? You can put it in the contract and everything. The government gets to unilaterally decree who owns what, and under what conditions - why is this any different?

I'm sure you didn't decide to start whinging about this engage in this issue in the first place just to make a technical point about what ownership means. No, your main beef seems to be about either it being racist to non-Aborigines or patronizing towards Aborigines - or some bizarre combination of the two. You can't seem to decide which it is. Which is why I asked you - what is the point. So again:

So what is your point then? That they don't really own it and therefore shouldn't be allowed to ban climbing - or that they should be given 'proper' ownership rights so its not so wacist? You are hopping from one leg to another, alternating between 'wacist and mysoginistic Aborigines - how dare they be so mean to whitey' and 'wacist government - how dare they be so mean to the Aborigines'. Like I said, you can't work out who you are whinging about.
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freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:17pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:14pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 9:51pm:
Raven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 8:18pm:
The simple fact is this on October 25 1985 the Governor General gave the Anangu people the title to their land.

Complaining that you can't climb a rock on Anangu land is the same as complaining a pastoralist hasn't let you climb anything on their land.

If you don't have permission then too bad.


So government is the ultimate authority and we should stop complaining if we don't like what they do?

Can you dumb it down any more?


Are you saying they don't own it because you complain about the government giving it to them?

I'm curious, but you won't say.


Our government has a long history of giving people land. That's how this country was built. But they did not give Ayers rock to anyone. Even they did not think the Anungu were capable of managing it properly.


What exactly do you think the government "giving people land" involves FD?

Presumably not attaching any conditions?
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All you are saying is that they don't own it in the normal way that we understand private property ownership. That may refute the idea that the ban is consistent with the norms of standard property ownership laws, but it still doesn't explain your objection to it.


My objection to the attempt to equate it with conventional property ownership is that it is wrong. It is an attempt by people who support this to run away from uncomfortable truth, like the government supporting racist, sexist policy and discarding the deparation of church and state.

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Why, for example, isn't it acceptable to class the rock under a different kind of ownership, that has less ownership rights as 'normal' property ownership , but nevertheless allows its owners to legitimately issue a ban on climbing?


The people trotting out this idiocy did not make that argument Gandalf. You are confusing wrong with unacceptable. If you want to invent a new concept of private ownership to avoid addressing the elephant in the room, be my guest, but it won't make you look any less ridiculous.

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I'm sure you didn't decide to start whinging about this engage in this issue in the first place just to make a technical point about what ownership means.


As I have explained several time, the point was in response to the idiocy about private ownership trotted out by those trying to sweep the racist, sexist government policy under the carpet.

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No, your main beef seems to be about either it being racist to non-Aborigines or patronizing towards Aborigines - or some bizarre combination of the two.


It is the soft bigotry of low expectations, taken to the absurd extreme where it actually denies other people their traditional rights.
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Reply #693 - Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:05pm
 
Plebiscites To the People NOW!  Take the power from government to treat national icons as personal property....

Good point raised - enforce the division between church/belief and State..... No More Handouts!!
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My objection to the attempt to equate it with conventional property ownership is that it is wrong.


Because they do not own it. Why do you not understand this simple fact, G?

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And you're being racist by assuming that they do, G. How very dare you?

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Of not owning it. Would you like FD to draw you a Venn diagram?

Which part of the Boongs taking away FD's Freeeeedom do you not understand?
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Reply #695 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:06am
 
If they don't own it - why are we discussing Boongs closing Ayers Rock - why are the media pumping it up with photos of Boongs in Whartey clothing and sitting in Whaartey wheelchairs etc at some 'ceremony' of closing and restoring the spirits or whatever?

So - now we all agree that some bloated and blighted government appointed 'board' of unelected swill closed it for whatever reasons of their own - same as they closed off huge parts of the coastline to fishing under some idea of preserving fish - yeah - them fish are stuck in one place all the time... sure, sure... a bit like fruit fly barriers - the fruit flies see the signs and panic and turn back....  (yardle, yardle)

You all beginning to see how totally stupid government body thinking is?

NOW!  Why bother closing off climbing of Ayers Rock?  How many young Boongs might have undergone a 'rite of passage' (if they could get off the fumes long enough) by climbing the Rock - a Rock now closed to ALL climbers?

What will the Elders use to try to bring them back into reality and out of Fumeland?

You all beginning to see how totally stupid government body thinking is?  Off in la-la land... but dey got da power!!

I say chainsaw the signs and climb the Rock... OUR Rock - Black and White!!

Take Back the Uluru Asylum!!  We're all Brothers in this!!!
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Reply #696 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 9:51am
 
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If they don't own it - why are we discussing Boongs closing Ayers Rock


Because they own it.

FD's claiming traditional land rights for his people.

Native Title, I think. He's contesting ownership on the grounds of racist, sexist, so unfair and they don't own it because they don't.

FD wants to preserve the rock for all those decent white people who may choose to climb it one day if they could be bothered spending 3 days driving through all that boring scenery.
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I think they should ban all non-aboriginal people from even getting a km near Uluru.
Just like only certain people can enter into Parliment House and not just into tourism foyers.
Whitey bans many people from all sorts of places.
They let the Yanks ban anyone from Woomera.

So why not let the Abos ban anyone else from Uluru?

Maybe FD will lead a defiant group of 'Rock-Hoppers' to climb Uluru and post it on FB live stream?
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Reply #698 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 11:23am
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 11:09am:
I think they should ban all non-aboriginal people from even getting a km near Uluru.
Just like only certain people can enter into Parliment House and not just into tourism foyers.
Whitey bans many people from all sorts of places.
They let the Yanks ban anyone from Woomera.

So why not let the Abos ban anyone else from Uluru?

Maybe FD will lead a defiant group of 'Rock-Hoppers' to climb Uluru and post it on FB live stream?


No he can't do that it would be doing nothing to help Climbit Change.
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Reply #699 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:03pm
 
Ban all Aboriginal people from getting any nearer than a km from a pub, a club, a social security office, a charity, a bottle shop, a city, a shopping centre... from using tinnies and rods and guns for fishing and hunting.. from living other than traditional in humpies etc .... and the list goes on....

Time to grow up, innit?  Do you have any idea how utterly silly and childish such things as 'banning Whartey' are, JaSin?

We ALL live here - it's OUR nation - they're OUR national icons...

Free The Rock!!  Tear Down the Chains! 
... wait a minute.. didn't they do that.. ummm...
  Chainsaw The Signs!!

P.S  the flagon drinkers can wander Woomera and Maralinga at whim.. easy to see in the dark .... and there are no missile testing grounds on Ayers Rock   Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes
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Are non-Muslims allowed to walk willy-nilly inside Mosques?
Are non-Military allowed to walk willy-nilly inside Bases?
Are non-Aboriginals allowed to walk willy-nilly inside 'sacred grounds'?
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Jasin wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 11:09am:
I think they should ban all non-aboriginal people from even getting a km near Uluru.
Just like only certain people can enter into Parliment House and not just into tourism foyers.
Whitey bans many people from all sorts of places.
They let the Yanks ban anyone from Woomera.

So why not let the Abos ban anyone else from Uluru?

Maybe FD will lead a defiant group of 'Rock-Hoppers' to climb Uluru and post it on FB live stream?


Well, the first ones they ban should be the Muselman.

FD would be happy to be a defiant "rock-hopper" if he could be bothered donning a letterbox outfit and spending 3 days driving through all that boring scenery.
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Jasin wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:15pm:
Are non-Muslims allowed to walk willy-nilly inside Mosques?
Are non-Military allowed to walk willy-nilly inside Bases?
Are non-Aboriginals allowed to walk willy-nilly inside 'sacred grounds'?


No, they're not. Good point, JaSin.

Those people are racist and sexist, yes?

The Muselman and the Military don't own it because they don't, no?
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Jasin wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:15pm:
Are non-Muslims allowed to walk willy-nilly inside Mosques?
Are non-Military allowed to walk willy-nilly inside Bases?
Are non-Aboriginals allowed to walk willy-nilly inside 'sacred grounds'?


So 5000 tribes now have an organised religion?  Well - who'd 've thunk that??  When did they register it?

Ayers Rock isn't a church or a military installation ...... it's an open air sacred site for all to utilise to find the True Way.....
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Jasin wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:15pm:
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Are non-Military allowed to walk willy-nilly inside Bases?
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It's a damn ROCK nothing more

It was not manufactured, built, carved or even worshiped

It's a PLACE a rock.

This ban is total bull shite.

We SHOUKD simply shut down Ayres rock and everything within 200 Kim of it.
Let them find a dole office to beg money from elsewhere
Let them find medical attention for their addictions elsewhere
Let them find petrol to sniff elsewhere
Let them find metho to drink elsewhere.

It's time to stop wasting billions on this LAZY, PARASITICAL, WASTE OF OXYGEN scam.

6% of abbos and these who recognise as abbo work......sort of.
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I didn't think the Abbos were so religious, spirits are becoming popular amongst them these days.

RIP Ayres Rock for all its worth.

I was there last week and the flies were horrendous, little black bastards.
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Johnnie wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 5:46pm:
I didn't think the Abbos were so religious, spirits are becoming popular amongst them these days.

RIP Ayres Rock for all its worth.

I was there last week and the flies were horrendous, little black bastards.


Oh, Matty, thank God you're back. Given you were there just last week, can you clarify whether they own it or not?

FD's wondering if he should put in a claim, dear.

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Oh the Aboriginals will be happy to hand over Australia as much as they can, without compromising their own existence.


...but you just have to earn it and prove that you are Australian to them and not British or American.
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Jasin wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 10:27pm:
Oh the Aboriginals will be happy to hand over Australia as much as they can, without compromising their own existence.


...but you just have to earn it and prove that you are Australian to them and not British or American.
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Ah, yes the aristocracy of the Boong... 3% of the population gets to tell the rest what to do...

Tarrant chose the wrong target, it seems... he thought Mussos were the greatest danger, but he should have been concentrating on fifth columns here and now...
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 27th, 2019 at 6:35am:
Jasin wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 10:27pm:
Oh the Aboriginals will be happy to hand over Australia as much as they can, without compromising their own existence.


...but you just have to earn it and prove that you are Australian to them and not British or American.
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Ah, yes the aristocracy of the Boong... 3% of the population gets to tell the rest what to do...

Tarrant chose the wrong target, it seems... he thought Mussos were the greatest danger, but he should have been concentrating on fifth columns here and now...


KILL THEM.
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Reply #711 - Nov 28th, 2019 at 8:40pm
 
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Popular Whitey propaganda said the Natives of Easter Island died from deforestation, famine and genocidal wars.

What a load of crap.

The natives died from diseases, gun-shots, slaved to Peru and the 14 out of 1500 that returned brought syphillis and leprosy which brought the island population down to just 100.
But that 100 has returned from the brink to become half of the population now.

Funny how the truth gets revealed these days.  Wink
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Reply #712 - Nov 28th, 2019 at 9:06pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 28th, 2019 at 8:40pm:
Rapa-Nui

Popular Whitey propaganda said the Natives of Easter Island died from deforestation, famine and genocidal wars.

What a load of crap.

The natives died from diseases, gun-shots, slaved to Peru and the 14 out of 1500 that returned brought syphillis and leprosy which brought the island population down to just 100.
But that 100 has returned from the brink to become half of the population now.

Funny how the truth gets revealed these days.  Wink


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Reply #713 - Nov 28th, 2019 at 11:27pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 28th, 2019 at 8:40pm:
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Popular Whitey propaganda said the Natives of Easter Island died from deforestation, famine and genocidal wars.

What a load of crap.

The natives died from diseases, gun-shots, slaved to Peru and the 14 out of 1500 that returned brought syphillis and leprosy which brought the island population down to just 100.
But that 100 has returned from the brink to become half of the population now.

Funny how the truth gets revealed these days.  Wink



Even if true - what has that got to do with Aussies taking over Gone-dwanaland?  That's why it's called Gone-Dwana, Don-Kay - because it's GONE!
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Reply #714 - Nov 29th, 2019 at 4:05am
 
Johnnie wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 5:46pm:
I didn't think the Abbos were so religious, spirits are becoming popular amongst them these days.

RIP Ayres Rock for all its worth.

I was there last week and the flies were horrendous, little black bastards.


The only spirits the abbos believe in is metholated spirits.
That's about as spiritual as it gets.
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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
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