it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 16
th, 2019 at 11:03am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 16
th, 2019 at 10:21am:
So what you're saying is, Trump did in fact get dirt on the Bidens, a thing of value, from Ukraine and possibly even China and in doing so has broken the law like everyone suspected and all the evidence points to and has admitted such by weaponising the dirt to use against a political opponent?
Interesting.
Unlike his collusion with Russia, we know Trump and his team are now aware that this is illegal, we know that not only did Trump receive the dirt, which is all that is needed, but he solicited it, we know what channels he used to get it all outside of officials and agencies that would be involved in any investigation into corruption, Trump's team tried to cover up all of this and the icing on the cake, we now know dirt is, in fact, a "thing of value" because he's weaponised it and is using it against the Bidens as we speak.
Open and shut.
Much less has been used to demand Clinton be locked up and executed at Gitmo, time to call for the same for Trump then?
1. Trump has been under sustained attack for 3 years ..
Mueller Report *
" NO COLLUSION "
2. no " dirt " is pursued ..
it is Trumps Mandate to expose and correct crimes he is aware of,
not cover them up ...
Light, we've been through this over and over.
The idea of "collusion" with Russia, was that we know Russia influenced the election partly by "hacking" the DNC servers and in otherways by exploiting social media and the stupidity of Americans, this (minus my assessment of americans) was in the Mueller report. The collusion that was being investigated was questioning if Trump or his team had anything to do with these actions.
Mueller concluded that he could find no evidence that Trump or his team worked with the Russian to hack the DNC nor influence the election, despite the things Trump would say at his rallies.
On a side note, one wonders what Trump's tax returns will show, but that's another story.
Mueller did find however that Trump's team sought and met with Russian Nationals to get dirt on Hillary after the fact, dirt that likely came from these hacks. This is exactly what Trump is in trouble now for doing again with Ukraine.
The only difference is, with Russia, Mueller concluded that he could not prove their intent nor that they knew to do such a thing was illegal. He also was not satisfied that he could show what they got was a "thing of value" to the level of creating a rock-solid case in a court of law against Trump and his team, mainly his son who took the meeting.
The bottom line is, whether it was called a crime or not, they did the actual deed.
Because of that and because of how high profile the case was, this time with Ukraine, they can't claim ignorance nor hide behind their own stupidity.
Not only that but Trump released the summary of the call which shows he solicited Ukraine for the information, his team tried to cover it up, and as we're seeing now, he's been using the information by weaponising it to attack his political opponent, proving without a shadow of a doubt that it was a "thing of value".
Now if Trump was actually going after corruption, he wouldn't have used his personal lawyer and his now arrested chronies, he would have used the various resources at his disposal, but most importantly, he wouldn't have used the information in a political way to attack Biden.
Trump has been caught red-handed with his hands still in the cookie jar and smeared chocolate and crumbs all over his face.
There are no excuses this time.
Trump knowingly broke the law, there is plenty of evidence to show it including how he worked outside the official channels and his team tried to cover it up afterwards to show it, and he's been stupid enough to use the information he got, proving that it is of value.
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.