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The National Labor Relations Act of 1935 (also known as the Wagner Act) is a foundational statute of United States labor law which guarantees the right of private sector employees to organize into trade unions, engage in collective bargaining, and take collective action such as strikes. The act was written by Senator Robert F. Wagner, passed by the 74th United States Congress, and signed into law by President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

The National Labor Relations Act seeks to correct the "inequality of bargaining power" between employers and employees by promoting collective bargaining between trade unions and employers. The law established the National Labor Relations Board to prosecute violations of labor law and to oversee the process by which employees decide whether to be represented by a labor organization. It also established various rules concerning collective bargaining and defined a series of banned unfair labor practices, including interference with the formation or organization of labor unions by employers. The act does not apply to certain workers, including supervisors, agricultural employees, domestic workers, government employees, and independent contractors.

The NLRA was strongly opposed by conservatives and members of the Republican Party, but it was upheld in the Supreme Court case of NLRB v. Jones & Laughlin Steel Corp. The 1947 Taft–Hartley Act amended the NLRA, establishing a series of unfair labor practices for unions and granting states the power to pass right-to-work laws.
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Reply #1 - Oct 14th, 2019 at 9:58pm
 
Imagine: America didn't have unions until the late 1930s, and then a war, and then the infiltration of the Mafia.

It didn't do them much good during the McCarthy era, eh? But has organised labour helped workers much in America at all?

I'm curious. We owe our wage system to collective bargaining. We have far higher average wages to the US - our economy is built on this. We also have better services and better distribution of wealth.

The days of organised labour seem doomed, but what has this achieved in America?
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Reply #2 - Oct 14th, 2019 at 10:13pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 14th, 2019 at 9:58pm:
Imagine: America didn't have unions until the late 1930s, and then a war, and then the infiltration of the Mafia.

It didn't do them much good during the McCarthy era, eh? But has organised labour helped workers much in America at all?

I'm curious. We owe our wage system to collective bargaining. We have far higher average wages to the US - our economy is built on this. We also have better services and better distribution of wealth.

The days of organised labour seem doomed, but what has this achieved in America?


Its called demand and supply - basic physics of the economy.

High demand or low supply = high wages
Low demand or oversupply = low wages

There is no doubt that work conditions have improved greatly due to unions and organised labor.
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Reply #3 - Oct 14th, 2019 at 11:22pm
 
Richdude wrote on Oct 14th, 2019 at 10:13pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 14th, 2019 at 9:58pm:
Imagine: America didn't have unions until the late 1930s, and then a war, and then the infiltration of the Mafia.

It didn't do them much good during the McCarthy era, eh? But has organised labour helped workers much in America at all?

I'm curious. We owe our wage system to collective bargaining. We have far higher average wages to the US - our economy is built on this. We also have better services and better distribution of wealth.

The days of organised labour seem doomed, but what has this achieved in America?


Its called demand and supply - basic physics of the economy.

High demand or low supply = high wages
Low demand or oversupply = low wages

There is no doubt that work conditions have improved greatly due to unions and organised labor.


Do you want to say how?

We're Australians, dear. We don't know.
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Reply #4 - Oct 14th, 2019 at 11:52pm
 
Unions have been shredded in the USA by *conservatives.* But the unions they leave alone are those organized for law enforcement and prison guards. Interesting that. Even teachers' unions are attacked viciously but those two are left alone.
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Reply #5 - Oct 15th, 2019 at 6:38am
 
One of the first things that a trade union movement in America would demand
Is a big beautiful powerful border wall to prevent illegal immigrants coming in and undercutting labour rates

It just seems obvious to me that if you are picking strawberries in California and you want to go on strike for higher wages
And there is a ready pool of Mexicans who will come in and take your position
Then any sort of organised Union attempt to gain high wages is doomed

The democratic party is indeed the enemy of the low skilled worker
The low skilled worker has been sacrificed on the altar off political correctness

The fact that poor Americans in the Midwest voted for trump is a stinging indictment on the democratic party
Probably worth studying for about 5 years
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Reply #6 - Oct 15th, 2019 at 12:03pm
 
AiA wrote on Oct 14th, 2019 at 11:52pm:
Unions have been shredded in the USA by *conservatives.* But the unions they leave alone are those organized for law enforcement and prison guards. Interesting that. Even teachers' unions are attacked viciously but those two are left alone.


Oh, the Teamsters have done pretty well. Those they don't shred, dear, they let the Mafia into.

Mr Trump would rather deal with a mob boss than a union rep, believe me.
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Reply #7 - Oct 15th, 2019 at 2:04pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 15th, 2019 at 6:38am:
One of the first things that a trade union movement in America would demand
Is a big beautiful powerful border wall to prevent illegal immigrants coming in and undercutting labour rates

It just seems obvious to me that if you are picking strawberries in California and you want to go on strike for higher wages
And there is a ready pool of Mexicans who will come in and take your position
Then any sort of organised Union attempt to gain high wages is doomed

The democratic party is indeed the enemy of the low skilled worker
The low skilled worker has been sacrificed on the altar off political correctness

The fact that poor Americans in the Midwest voted for trump is a stinging indictment on the democratic party
Probably worth studying for about 5 years


Makes sense that they'd want to lower the minimum wage then, dear. They probably pushed for the corporate tax cut, no?

Do low skilled workers follow the Paretto principle or do they live lives of pure garbage like Fat Steve and Janeen?
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Reply #8 - Oct 15th, 2019 at 2:55pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 15th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 15th, 2019 at 6:38am:
One of the first things that a trade union movement in America would demand
Is a big beautiful powerful border wall to prevent illegal immigrants coming in and undercutting labour rates

It just seems obvious to me that if you are picking strawberries in California and you want to go on strike for higher wages
And there is a ready pool of Mexicans who will come in and take your position
Then any sort of organised Union attempt to gain high wages is doomed

The democratic party is indeed the enemy of the low skilled worker
The low skilled worker has been sacrificed on the altar off political correctness

The fact that poor Americans in the Midwest voted for trump is a stinging indictment on the democratic party
Probably worth studying for about 5 years


Makes sense that they'd want to lower the minimum wage then, dear. They probably pushed for the corporate tax cut, no?

Do low skilled workers follow the Paretto principle or do they live lives of pure garbage like Fat Steve and Janeen?



the low skilled worker from mexico is aspirational .
he bounces out of bed , buzzing with all the opportunities available.
he sees his kids going to private schools and becoming doctors and lawyers.
he has gratitude for life and lives a life of abundance.

steve and janeen are very much like many of the lefties on this forum.
they have zero gratitude for the miracle of law and order, fresh running water and free education.  they like to complain, they want to take.
take from the sugar and fat to feel pleasure
take from the porn to feel pleasure
they dont want to contribute.
they follow the path of least resistance
they resent the evolutionary blowtorch and have no aspiration other then to exist, to survive and not to thrive.

hence they live a life of pure garbage precisely because they dont want to rise to the challenge.

the donald (if he was like steve and janeen) would have retired to a golf course and pleasure himself all day long. he would not voluntarily take on the brutal world of political pressure, the relentless attacks and the endless problems.

for an old rich guy with plenty of cash to voluntarily come and try to help others to climb the path that he has pioneered.
thats awesome, thats incredible.

i imagine he oftens feels tired and flat but he musters up the energy to spike the crowd at rally after rally.

truly a superior man.

in many ways like jesus.

everyone appears to be betraying him
he has been brought before the angry mob who want to see him taken down
barrabas, barrabas , they yell.

and he picks up the cross of responsibility and marches with nobility, with his head held high, with a straight spine onward and upward to his fate.
he may ascend into heaven
who knows.
it might just be possible
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Reply #9 - Oct 15th, 2019 at 4:30pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 15th, 2019 at 2:55pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 15th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 15th, 2019 at 6:38am:
One of the first things that a trade union movement in America would demand
Is a big beautiful powerful border wall to prevent illegal immigrants coming in and undercutting labour rates

It just seems obvious to me that if you are picking strawberries in California and you want to go on strike for higher wages
And there is a ready pool of Mexicans who will come in and take your position
Then any sort of organised Union attempt to gain high wages is doomed

The democratic party is indeed the enemy of the low skilled worker
The low skilled worker has been sacrificed on the altar off political correctness

The fact that poor Americans in the Midwest voted for trump is a stinging indictment on the democratic party
Probably worth studying for about 5 years


Makes sense that they'd want to lower the minimum wage then, dear. They probably pushed for the corporate tax cut, no?

Do low skilled workers follow the Paretto principle or do they live lives of pure garbage like Fat Steve and Janeen?



the low skilled worker from mexico is aspirational .
he bounces out of bed , buzzing with all the opportunities available.
he sees his kids going to private schools and becoming doctors and lawyers.
he has gratitude for life and lives a life of abundance.

steve and janeen are very much like many of the lefties on this forum.
they have zero gratitude for the miracle of law and order, fresh running water and free education.  they like to complain, they want to take.
take from the sugar and fat to feel pleasure
take from the porn to feel pleasure
they dont want to contribute.
they follow the path of least resistance
they resent the evolutionary blowtorch and have no aspiration other then to exist, to survive and not to thrive.

hence they live a life of pure garbage precisely because they dont want to rise to the challenge.

the donald (if he was like steve and janeen) would have retired to a golf course and pleasure himself all day long. he would not voluntarily take on the brutal world of political pressure, the relentless attacks and the endless problems.

for an old rich guy with plenty of cash to voluntarily come and try to help others to climb the path that he has pioneered.
thats awesome, thats incredible.

i imagine he oftens feels tired and flat but he musters up the energy to spike the crowd at rally after rally.

truly a superior man.

in many ways like jesus.

everyone appears to be betraying him
he has been brought before the angry mob who want to see him taken down
barrabas, barrabas , they yell.

and he picks up the cross of responsibility and marches with nobility, with his head held high, with a straight spine onward and upward to his fate.
he may ascend into heaven
who knows.
it might just be possible


You may well be right, but I fear he has some way on the "narrow path" to go yet, dear.

There's the entry into Jerusalem, trumpets blown and palm fronds lowered before his path. There's his teachings, the sermon on the mount, great miracles - raising the dead, healing the lepers and making the blind see.

But then there's betrayal. The Garden of Gethsemany. His scourging and crucifixion. But most importantly, Aquascoot, and this is the clincher, there's His resurrection.

Just think, we have the same story with Mr Trump: his masterful campaign, his historical landslide win, the biggest inauguration crowd in history. There's his draining of the swamp, his building of the Wall, his great memorable Tweets and speeches. He did it all for us, dear, the patriots, the real Americans, the joyful, lowly-paid workers.

But then comes darkness, as it always does before the dawn. The superior man must face it, he must overcome his shadow self to rise above the darkness within.

RIGGED! WITCH HUNT! BAD (OR SICK) GUY!

We may feel he's suffered enough. We may feel he has sacrificed it all. But do you know?

God doesn't give us anything we can't handle. This, you see, is the thinking of the superior man. Let me take their burden. Let me suffer and endure. Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.

LOCK HER UP.
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Reply #10 - Oct 15th, 2019 at 5:40pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 15th, 2019 at 4:30pm:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 15th, 2019 at 2:55pm:
[quote author=Karnal link=1571043995/7#7 date=1571112286][quote author=aquascoot link=1571043995/5#5 date=1571085481]One of the first things that a trade union movement in America would demand
Is a big beautiful powerful border wall to prevent illegal immigrants coming in and undercutting labour rates

It just seems obvious to me that if you are picking strawberries in California and you want to go on strike for higher wages
And there is a ready pool of Mexicans who will come in and take your position
Then any sort of organised Union attempt to gain high wages is doomed

The democratic party is indeed the enemy of the low skilled worker
The low skilled worker has been sacrificed on the altar off political correctness


the low skilled worker from mexico is aspirational .
he bounces out of bed , buzzing with all the opportunities available.
he sees his kids going to private schools and becoming doctors and lawyers.
he has gratitude for life and lives a life of abundance.

steve and janeen are very much like many of the lefties on this forum.
they have zero gratitude for the miracle of law and order, fresh running water and free education.  they like to complain, they want to take.
take from the sugar and fat to feel pleasure
take from the porn to feel pleasure
they dont want to contribute.
they follow the path of least resistance
they resent the evolutionary blowtorch and have no aspiration other then to exist, to survive and not to thrive.

hence they live a life of pure garbage precisely because they dont want to rise to the challenge.

the donald (if he was like steve and janeen) would have retired to a golf course and pleasure himself all day long. he would not voluntarily take on the brutal world of political pressure, the relentless attacks and the endless problems.

for an old rich guy with plenty of cash to voluntarily come and try to help others to climb the path that he has pioneered.
thats awesome, thats incredible.

i imagine he oftens feels tired and flat but he musters up the energy to spike the crowd at rally after rally.

truly a superior man.

in many ways like jesus.

everyone appears to be betraying him
he has been brought before the angry mob who want to see him taken down
barrabas, barrabas , they yell.

and he picks up the cross of responsibility and marches with nobility, with his head held high, with a straight spine onward and upward to his fate.
he may ascend into heaven
who knows.
it might just be possible


You may well be right, but I fear he has some way on the "narrow path" to go yet, dear.

There's the entry into Jerusalem, trumpets blown and palm fronds lowered before his path. There's his teachings, the sermon on the mount, great miracles - raising the dead, healing the lepers and making the blind see.

But then there's betrayal. The Garden of Gethsemany. His scourging and crucifixion. But most importantly, Aquascoot, and this is the clincher, there's His resurrection.

Just think, we have the same story with Mr Trump: his masterful campaign, his historical landslide win, the biggest inauguration crowd in history. There's his draining of the swamp, his building of the Wall, his great memorable Tweets and speeches. He did it all for us, dear, the patriots, the real Americans, the joyful, lowly-paid workers.

But then comes darkness, as it always does before the dawn. The superior man must face it, he must overcome his shadow self to rise above the darkness within.

RIGGED! WITCH HUNT! BAD (OR SICK) GUY!

We may feel he's suffered enough. We may feel he has sacrificed it all. But do you know?

God doesn't give us anything we can't handle. This, you see, is the thinking of the superior man. Let me take their burden. Let me suffer and endure. Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.

LOCK HER UP.



the USA is a very religious society.

there is something of the messiah in Donald to many americans.
and the establishment making a martyr of him will play into archetypal stories and peoples subconscious narrative.

there is also a biblical wish for an apocalypse that runs thru many narratives.


extinction rebellion
the evangelical right
the fundamentalist muslim.

nietshze foresaw this with the idea of the death of god.

there is very little gratitude and understanding about just what a miracle the west has created.
the fact that you will have a hot shower tonight and that you will probably have a meal and a warm bed.
that is unbelievably unlikely.

people have no gratitude for it and they call for the "revolution"
they call for "occupy wall street'
they want to break things.

and trump is the great wrecking ball.

hitler ended up in ruins watching everything burn.
did he really want to conquer russia.
or was there a part of him that enjoyed watching it all burn.

the left ....did they really want to have obamacare and look after the poor and the afflicted.
or was there a part of them that wants to watch it all burn.

the way the left constantly keep kicking own goals and the leftie media keep feeding the trump brand, i am convinced they want to see it all burn.
trump is their messiah just as much as he is the messiah of his followers
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Reply #11 - Oct 15th, 2019 at 5:52pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 15th, 2019 at 6:38am:
The democratic party is indeed the enemy of the low skilled worker
The low skilled worker has been sacrificed on the altar off political correctness


Yet it was the Democratic Party that passed the National Labor Relations Act of 1935.
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Reply #12 - Oct 15th, 2019 at 7:35pm
 
Auggie wrote on Oct 15th, 2019 at 5:52pm:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 15th, 2019 at 6:38am:
The democratic party is indeed the enemy of the low skilled worker
The low skilled worker has been sacrificed on the altar off political correctness


Yet it was the Democratic Party that passed the National Labor Relations Act of 1935.


Well yes, but that's not in their interests. These people are weak and lazy. Far better that the bosses organise things. Remember, to he who has all, more shall be given. These "workers" as they're called should be giving more to Mr Trump. He has a gold lift, fires people in the boardroom, gets the best pussy.

He's like the Messiah, you see.
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Reply #13 - Oct 15th, 2019 at 11:36pm
 
Auggie wrote on Oct 15th, 2019 at 5:52pm:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 15th, 2019 at 6:38am:
The democratic party is indeed the enemy of the low skilled worker
The low skilled worker has been sacrificed on the altar off political correctness


Yet it was the Democratic Party that passed the National Labor Relations Act of 1935.



That Democratic Party no longer exists, the current crop of members are better described as the "New Soviets"! Older Americans who can not accept the Party has changed and those getting more money out of the system than they put in make up the voting base today. The current Republican Party has more in common with the Democratic Party of 1935.
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