UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 11
th, 2019 at 4:02pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 9
th, 2019 at 11:16pm:
Catch-a 22 ... only the unreal claimants to refuge can get a visa and get on a plane.... the rest, the real ones, have to take a boat and their chances on a hostile sea and a hostile shore....
If you are not able to get away far enough from your persecution, you are considered a refugee candidate. If you have the means to get away from persecution, you are no longer able to be considered a refugee. That kind of Catch-22?
Sort of - but I'm working on the realities of people who want to get out of a nation that is actually persecuting them - those do not get visas from their own country that is persecuting them....
That's Catch-22...
So they escape and evade and then seek to get on a boat to nowhere..... their other choice is to remain in a foreign country that does not support them in any way..... those are the realities... they can't just get on a plane because they have no visa and often no passport from their native country, unlike those who arrive with a suitcase of dollar bills, a passport, and a visa, at an airport of entry, and then claim refugee status....
People who are genuine refugees cannot get a visa...... they cannot get a passport..they often cannot get documents to prove who they are... because they are persecuted.
You reckon the ayatollahs give out passports, visas and IDs to those they want to persecute and keep close so they can dispose of them at will? Just an example.....
So the chances are, and have proven to be - as gregpecc said - that those capable of arriving at a port of entry with a visa and a passport and all supporting documents - are not genuine refugees, but are instead economic refugees...
Nobody on the run could have all those.... and suggestions that 'boat people' throw their documents overboard or burn them are fatuous and frankly ridiculous.... given that their only chance of gaining asylum is through proving who they are....
Lies on an industrial scale....