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Reply #90 - Oct 17th, 2019 at 4:08pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 3:57pm:
Bam wrote on Oct 15th, 2019 at 6:57pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 15th, 2019 at 5:26pm:
There are many ways to stop having kids and being a burden on the taxpayer.
1) don't have sex
2) have protected sex
3) Take the pill
4) get a job, they will be too stuffed to screw
5) Cut the cash incentives for having kids, pay for the first one, then no more.

6) Get off your fat, lazy arse and help unemployed workers to FIND A JOB.

If you won't do your bit to help people find work, then you are part of the problem.



Oooohhhhh, sore point.

As a matter of fact, my insulting little troll, I do that.
I have employed 15 people in the  company that I work for in the last 12 months.
As the work becomes available, I search for workers ( note....workers)

Sad thing is, we get 80 plus applicants for any job we offer.
80% are not qualified or even  marginally capable of doing the work.
From the remainder, many never reply to our offer of an interview.
Some that attend interviews think they are doing us a favour employing them.
We get the ones who obviously do not want work, simply to tick the boxes.
We get those who go white when we tell them what they will be doing.
We even get those who, when offered the job, turn it down or never reply.

We had one young lady, quite qualified and appeared to be capable.
We employed her, and she turned up for a week, not very industrious I might Add.
After the first week, she didn't turn up.
I was concerned, but policy stated we must contact her through HR in case there was a personal issue.
A week of trying every day failed to get an answer, so we sent a letter, then another, still no response.

After 4 weeks we sent , by registered mail, a letter of intended termination if we were not contacted.
The following week we sent the termination letter.

Without response we closed her employment, but we had to pay her wages up to the point that we terminated her.
She got 5 weeks pay for 1 weeks work.

This is the new generation.

LAZY AND Demanding.

Stop the dole after 1 year.
Only give them access to food, rent and clothing.
If the want more, they can get a job.


"we had to pay her wages up to the point that we terminated her"

No you didn't.

Not under any Australian legislation, at least.

Unless, of course, you had an Agreement in place that said all workers will be paid for periods of absence where leave was not authorised.

Do you have an Agreement with a clause stating something along those lines?
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Reply #91 - Oct 17th, 2019 at 4:16pm
 
[quote author=Valkie link=1569398224/89#89 date=1571291866][quote author=bam68 link=1569398224/79#79 date=1571129830][quote author=Valkie link=1569398224/75#75 date=1571124381]There are many ways to stop having kids and being a burden on the taxpayer.
1) don't have sex
2) have protected sex
3) Take the pill
4) get a job, they will be too stuffed to screw
5) Cut the cash incentives for having kids, pay for the first one, then no more.[/quote]
6) Get off your fat, lazy arse and help unemployed workers to FIND A JOB.

If you won't do your bit to help people find work, then you are part of the problem.[/quote]


Oooohhhhh, sore point.

As a matter of fact, my insulting little troll, I do that.
I have employed 15 people in the  company that I work for in the last 12 months.
As the work becomes available, I search for workers ( note....workers)

Sad thing is, we get 80 plus applicants for any job we offer.
80% are not qualified or even  marginally capable of doing the work.
From the remainder, many never reply to our offer of an interview.
Some that attend interviews think they are doing us a favour employing them.
We get the ones who obviously do not want work, simply to tick the boxes.
We get those who go white when we tell them what they will be doing.
We even get those who, when offered the job, turn it down or never reply.

We had one young lady, quite qualified and appeared to be capable.
We employed her, and she turned up for a week, not very industrious I might Add.
After the first week, she didn't turn up.
I was concerned, but policy stated we must contact her through HR in case there was a personal issue.
A week of trying every day failed to get an answer, so we sent a letter, then another, still no response.

After 4 weeks we sent , by registered mail, a letter of intended termination if we were not contacted.
The following week we sent the termination letter.

Without response we closed her employment, but we had to pay her wages up to the point that we terminated her.
She got 5 weeks pay for 1 weeks work.

This is the new generation.

LAZY AND Demanding.

Stop the dole after 1 year.
Only give them access to food, rent and clothing.
If the want more, they can get a job.[/quote]

Maybe she was dead or incapacitated in hospital or sonething

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Reply #92 - Oct 17th, 2019 at 5:04pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 3:57pm:
Bam wrote on Oct 15th, 2019 at 6:57pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 15th, 2019 at 5:26pm:
There are many ways to stop having kids and being a burden on the taxpayer.
1) don't have sex
2) have protected sex
3) Take the pill
4) get a job, they will be too stuffed to screw
5) Cut the cash incentives for having kids, pay for the first one, then no more.

6) Get off your fat, lazy arse and help unemployed workers to FIND A JOB.

If you won't do your bit to help people find work, then you are part of the problem.



Oooohhhhh, sore point.

As a matter of fact, my insulting little troll, I do that.
I have employed 15 people in the  company that I work for in the last 12 months.
As the work becomes available, I search for workers ( note....workers)

Sad thing is, we get 80 plus applicants for any job we offer.
80% are not qualified or even  marginally capable of doing the work.
From the remainder, many never reply to our offer of an interview.
Some that attend interviews think they are doing us a favour employing them.
We get the ones who obviously do not want work, simply to tick the boxes.
We get those who go white when we tell them what they will be doing.
We even get those who, when offered the job, turn it down or never reply.

We had one young lady, quite qualified and appeared to be capable.
We employed her, and she turned up for a week, not very industrious I might Add.
After the first week, she didn't turn up.
I was concerned, but policy stated we must contact her through HR in case there was a personal issue.
A week of trying every day failed to get an answer, so we sent a letter, then another, still no response.

After 4 weeks we sent , by registered mail, a letter of intended termination if we were not contacted.
The following week we sent the termination letter.

Without response we closed her employment, but we had to pay her wages up to the point that we terminated her.
She got 5 weeks pay for 1 weeks work.

This is the new generation.

LAZY AND Demanding.

Stop the dole after 1 year.
Only give them access to food, rent and clothing.
If the want more, they can get a job.

I call bullshit to that entire post. No way in hell can you be in a position to be employing people and not know the enormous pressures that are placed on unemployed workers. Suppose that the 80 applicants per job was true. How can you not work out that means there are 80 applicants for every job and that jobs are very scarce?

All around the country, every single day, job snob employers turn down applicants because the employers demand too much experience for the role or require all sorts of side qualifications that have no relevance to the role, and refuse to consider anyone who's got less. Age discrimination is another problem that's rampant. It doesn't help that these job snob employers are REWARDED by pretending they can't find anyone "suitable" when it's just a scam to get workers in on 457 visas so they can be exploited.

Any job snob employer who is unable to find anyone "suitable" and is trying to get someone in on a foreign work visa should be forced by law to take anyone with the relevant qualifications, anyone at all, including people just out of prison or someone seeking to retire in three months. The same should apply to any employer convicted of any workplace offence.

Then there are the employers whose workplaces are full of illegal immigrants, who call the department of immigration whenever they feel they don't want to pay them that week, and then they just ring up their black market labour supplier to fill the workplace up again with more illegal immigrants. All the while, the employer gets away with it, month after month. These employers need to be jailed.
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Reply #93 - Oct 17th, 2019 at 5:16pm
 
mothra wrote on Oct 15th, 2019 at 6:47pm:
Cashless welfare card: loophole allows purchase of alcohol and pornography

Government officials admit credit cards can still be used to buy restricted item


RU on the dole? You sound like you smoke and drink a lot. The Government is just trying to look after your HEALTH.  Grin
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Reply #94 - Oct 18th, 2019 at 4:24am
 
She wasn't dead, she was scamming us.

You cannot terminate someone without communicating with them.

I'm nor a hr manager, I'm an engineer, I only tell you what happened.
Apparently it's a scam used by some.
Get paid because you cannot be formally terminated.

I doubt an international company wouldn't know a way out if tgere was one.
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Reply #95 - Oct 18th, 2019 at 11:16am
 
The whinging about the cashless Welfare cards is positive feedback about how effective the cards really are.

But the slipperies can wriggle round it all and get cash for grog and drugs and baccy and gambling. So they won't complain much will they ?

The slow learning whingers need to learn the tricks and then they won't complain anymore will they ?
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Reply #96 - Oct 22nd, 2019 at 2:36pm
 
juliar wrote on Oct 18th, 2019 at 11:16am:
The whinging about the cashless Welfare cards is positive feedback about how effective the cards really are.

But the slipperies can wriggle round it all and get cash for grog and drugs and baccy and gambling. So they won't complain much will they ?

The slow learning whingers need to learn the tricks and then they won't complain anymore will they ?


especially when your libbo mates are running the show which is the only way a libbo can run a profitable business or in this case a scam !
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Reply #97 - Oct 22nd, 2019 at 2:48pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 18th, 2019 at 4:24am:
She wasn't dead, she was scamming us.

You cannot terminate someone without communicating with them.

I'm nor a hr manager, I'm an engineer, I only tell you what happened.
Apparently it's a scam used by some.
Get paid because you cannot be formally terminated.

I doubt an international company wouldn't know a way out if tgere was one.


"Without response we closed her employment, but we had to pay her wages up to the point that we terminated her.
She got 5 weeks pay for 1 weeks work."


Nope.

She did not have to be paid up to the point she was terminated.

Not under Australian law, that's for sure.
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Reply #98 - Oct 22nd, 2019 at 5:37pm
 
Gweggy doesn't like having to use his cashless WELFARE CARD.
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Reply #99 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 10:18am
 
Is GOD behind the cashless Welfare card ?


Religious profit: Expanding the cashless welfare card ties in with Morrison’s beliefs
by Dr Jennifer Wilson | Aug 16, 2019

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Religious profit: Expanding the cashless welfare card ties in with Morrison’s beliefs

The philosophy of the cashless welfare card is the perfect marriage of neoliberal ideology and evangelical Christianity, both of which pathologise, criminalise and individualise poverty as a lifestyle choice.

The concept of the Cashless Debit Card, known as the “Indue” card after the company that oversees its administration, was  brought to us by the obsessive efforts of mining magnate Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest who decided that the solution to what he perceived as the “welfare dependency” of Indigenous Australians was income management. The Australian government agreed with him and in 2014 legislation to implement the card in selected communities for a trial period passed federal parliament.

The stated purpose of the card was to prevent Centrelink recipients spending money on drugs, alcohol and gambling. However, whether you engage in those activities or not is irrelevant: if you live in a trial site, eighty per cent of your government payment is quarantined and you are permitted access to only twenty per cent of your money as cash.

There are now four trial sites: Ceduna in South Australia, East Kimberley, the West Australian towns of Kununurra and Wyndham, and most recently, the Bundaberg and Hervey Bay region of Queensland.


The so-called “trials” are now entering their fourth year, and in 2018 were extended into June 2021, despite there being little satisfactory data available on their success. While the trials now include non-Indigenous groups, they are still the majority of cardholders.

In 2019 the LNP government decided to extend the Indue card to every person already on income management in the Northern Territory from January 2020, by moving those already using the marginally less onerous BasicsCard onto Indue. There is considerable chatter on social media that the government’s endgame is to extend the card to aged pensioners and veterans, as well as everyone on Newstart, and that the roll-out will be national. Legislation is already in place for this roll-out.

Indue receives some $10,000 per annum per person from the government, for what is claimed to be “administrative costs.”

The demeaning assumption by the privileged that people living in poverty are incapable of managing meagre government handouts and so must be infantalised, is but one aspect of this class war. Another paternalistic assumption is that anyone in receipt of government assistance is a “welfare cheat” or a “dole bludger,” and their spending habits must, therefore, be surveilled and controlled in an effort to protect “worthy” taxpayers from exploitation.

Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull in a visit to the Yalata community, described the card as an exercise in “practical love”, a variation on the concept of “hard love” once advocated as a means of dealing with people addicted to substances.

The implication that the poor are morally inadequate while the wealthy are, solely by virtue of their wealth, morally superior, nicely intersects with the beliefs of Pentecostal Christian Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s prosperity theology, which understands God’s love and favour to be primarily expressed in wealth and material comforts. If you are poor, God doesn’t love you, and you haven’t loved him enough either.

The philosophy of the Indue card is the perfect marriage of neoliberal ideology and evangelical Christianity, both of which pathologise, criminalise and individualise poverty as a lifestyle choice, with nary a thought for underlying structural causes. Poverty becomes a question of character, rather than a consequence of capitalist social organisation.

The card is stigmatising. Whenever you produce it to buy food, for example, everyone who sees it is aware that you’re being managed as if you have a problem with gambling, alcohol or drug consumption, all addictions that are concealable if you’re middle or upper class, but highly visible if you’re poor and receiving income support. The card is punitive. It is intended to be, at the very least, a powerful and humiliating reproach to people who receive government assistance.

The shame it evokes only demonises Centrelink recipients.


If the card is rolled out to everyone on income assistance, the division of society into the comfortable worthy and undeserving unworthy will be stark. It is a profoundly troubling backward step to a time when poverty was widely held to be a moral failing.

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https://www.thebigsmoke.com.au/2019/08/16/religious-profit-expanding-the-cashles...
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Reply #100 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 10:37am
 
Canberra said recipients are “singing the praises” of cashless welfare, so I asked them
by Eve Vincent | Sep 17, 2019

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Canberra said recipients are “singing the praises” of cashless welfare, so I asked them

Canberra may be in love with the idea of cashless welfare, but after spending three months talking to those on it, a different story emerges.

“This is a bit controversial, we know that,” deputy prime minister Michael McCormick told the National Party’s federal council, which on the weekend voted for a national roll-out of cashless debit cards for anyone younger than 35 on the dole or receiving parenting payments.

The Nationals have joined the chorus within the federal government proclaiming the cards a huge success.

The Minister for Families and Social Services, Anne Ruston, has even gone so far as to claim welfare recipients are “singing its praises”.

Really?

Both McCormick and Ruston have proclaimed success based on the most recent trial of cashless welfare in Queensland. This trial began barely six months ago, and the independent evaluation by the Future of Employment and Skills Research Centre at the University of Adelaide is ongoing.

A more complex story emerges out of my research into lived experiences of the first cashless debit card trial, which began in Ceduna, South Australia, in March of 2016

I spent about three months in the town of Ceduna between mid-2017 and the end of 2018 talking to people about life on the card.

All communities are diverse and people’s experiences diverge. Some liked the card, or had come to accept it, others were caught up dealing with far more significant problems.

But I talked to people who found the card “an insult”. They told me it made them feel “targeted” and “punished”. They talked of degradation and defiance. They also told me the card didn’t work.

As for the claim by both Ruston (and her ministerial predecessor Paul Fletcher) that the card empowers people to “demonstrate responsibility”, the opposite was true. In the words of June*, an Indigenous grandmother, foster carer and talented artist: “It has taken responsibility away from me. It’s treating me like a little kid again.”


Indigenous testing grounds
Ceduna, in the far west of South Australia, was the first of four sites chosen to trial cashless debit cards. The second was in the East Kimberley

The location of these two trial sites meant early trial participants have been predominately Indigenous. I am of the view that Indigenous communities are being used as testing grounds for new technologies and controversial measures.

In the first two trial sites, income support recipients younger than 65 have just 20% of their payment deposited into their bank account. The remaining 80% goes on to their debit card, which cannot be used at any alcohol or gambling outlet across the nation. Nor can they be used to withdraw cash.

The lead-grey cashless debit card is similar but different to the lime-green BasicsCard, introduced as part of the 2007 Northern Territory National Emergency Response (the “Intervention”). The use of the BasicsCard as an “income management” tool was extended to non-Indigenous people in the Northern Territory in 2010, and to other states in 2012.

The BasicsCard generally quarantines 50% of a social security recipient’s income so that it cannot be spent on alcohol, gambling, tobacco or pornography. BasicsCard holders need to shop at approved stores. In contrast, the cashless debit card, administered by financial services company Indue, can theoretically be used wherever there are Eftpos facilities.


Shame and humiliation
My research wasn’t based on collecting statistics but “hanging out” and getting to know people. I came to see the stigma associated with the “grey card” sometimes resonated with past experiences.

Robert*, for example, told me about growing up on a mission and then suddenly finding himself as “one little blackfella” in a large high school. He was acutely sensitive to the “smirks” and judgements of others whenever he used the grey card to pay for things.

Pete* left high school after a couple of weeks to join an itinerant rural workforce that has since vanished. After decades of manual work, finding himself unemployed due to ill health was devastating enough. Being issued the grey card compounded his humiliation.

Others voiced their belief the grey card was designed to induce shame. But they refused that shame, expressing instead a defiant belief in the legitimacy of their need for support.

The welfare system often defines people by the one thing they are not currently doing – waged employment. But many people I spent time with in fact laboured constantly: it just wasn’t recognised as work. People like June*, for example, looked after sick kin, the elderly and children. Yet the grey card treated them as dependents.

I heard about ways of getting around the card’s restrictions. As one acquaintance put it: “Drunks gonna drink!” One strategy involved exchanging temporary use of the card for cash. With terms that nearly always disadvantage the cardholder, it has the potential to make life tougher for people living in hardship.

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https://www.thebigsmoke.com.au/2019/09/17/canberra-said-recipients-are-singing-t...
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Reply #101 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 11:14am
 
I see juliar has given its feet both barrels with the last couple of posts.
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Reply #102 - Oct 25th, 2019 at 12:07pm
 
Poor little Bammy just hasn't been the same since his HERO Shady Shorty betrayed him. These days he doesn't know whether he is coming or going.
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Reply #103 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 3:26pm
 
I don't like the idea of cashless welfare cards.

I recon they should only be given vouchers for food and clothing.

AND, they should have to turn up each day, presentable, drug and alcohol free and ready as if they were actually working.

No show, no vouchers.

Same deal for every person on welfare, regardless of what colour,religion or cast they might be.

No more free ride

If they want money to spend

Do what working Australians have been doing all their lives.....GET A FRIGGIN JOB
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Reply #104 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 3:57pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
I don't like the idea of cashless welfare cards.

I recon they should only be given vouchers for food and clothing.

AND, they should have to turn up each day, presentable, drug and alcohol free and ready as if they were actually working.

No show, no vouchers.

Same deal for every person on welfare, regardless of what colour,religion or cast they might be.

No more free ride

If they want money to spend

Do what working Australians have been doing all their lives.....GET A FRIGGIN JOB


So you think all pensioners carers disabled and unemployed should be homeless?

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