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Reply #15 - Sep 26th, 2019 at 12:25pm
 
rhino wrote on Sep 25th, 2019 at 10:54pm:
Bam wrote on Sep 25th, 2019 at 10:05pm:
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Professor Langton said the idea of the cards, along with other welfare reforms, was to wean people off social security and make them useful members of the economy.

The answer the Libs will never consider: push the unemployment rate down to 2% or lower and mandate full employment by law backed by a Job Guarantee.

Australia has a serious problem with chronic high unemployment that has persisted for over 40 years. No amount of supply-side pressure will fix the lack of demand for Australian workers. Right now, 15 OECD countries have an unemployment rate that is lower than Australia has managed at any time in the last 40 years. Until this problem of chronic high unemployment is addressed, we will always have economic victims. Scapegoating these victims will not fix anything.
I wouldnt disagree with any of this but its the kids who suffer in these remote communities. It is a serious issue that their parents spend welfare money on grog, cigarettes and  junk food often leaving the kids go hungry or at the best severely neglected. If the PC brigade wont allow us to take the kids off them anymore then we have a responsibility to do something.


Its not just ppl in remote communities on that card. Its not just aboriginals either. Nor is it just ppl on newstart.

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Reply #16 - Sep 26th, 2019 at 12:31pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 26th, 2019 at 12:25pm:
Meanwhile the Govts do everything they can
to make it more difficult to employ people  -
payroll tax is a great example  -
a tax on jobs.



The 2 million actual unemployed people might
one day use social media to rise up and
start a revolution.
Their numbers are far greater than the army
and police put together.
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Reply #17 - Sep 26th, 2019 at 1:00pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 26th, 2019 at 12:25pm:
Meanwhile the Govts do everything they can
to make it more difficult to employ people  -
payroll tax is a great example  -
a tax on jobs.

Payroll tax is a bad tax. It discourages employers from hiring, it is complex to administer for companies that have offices in different states, and it is inefficient.

It would be far better if the tax was abolished and replaced by a single Federal tax. Tax companies on turnover at about 1%, give the revenue to the states per capita. It would raise about the same amount of money but companies would save money through lower compliance costs.
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Reply #18 - Sep 26th, 2019 at 1:51pm
 
Bam wrote on Sep 26th, 2019 at 1:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 26th, 2019 at 12:25pm:
Meanwhile the Govts do everything they can
to make it more difficult to employ people  -
payroll tax is a great example  -
a tax on jobs.

Payroll tax is a bad tax. It discourages employers from hiring, it is complex to administer for companies that have offices in different states, and it is inefficient.

It would be far better if the tax was abolished and replaced by a single Federal tax. Tax companies on turnover at about 1%, give the revenue to the states per capita. It would raise about the same amount of money but companies would save money through lower compliance costs.


Payroll tax is insane.
Whenever I've had a pay review I'm always
reminded of the extra 4% it's costing
in payroll tax just for the privilege
of employing me.

Add that to the GST that has to be
paid for every job I do and
then the GST I pay on everything I
buy then it's a bad deal.

It seems that everyone else has their
grubby mitts on my money before
I can even do anything.

In fact there are about 38 taxes
on every business  -
another one is land tax -
the Govt pulled that tax out of their arse.

On top of that - it's still not enough
money for the Govts -
they have borrowed $1 trillion.
That is total debt - federal and state.

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Reply #19 - Sep 26th, 2019 at 6:10pm
 
Cashless Welfare Cards Are A Failure

You're not looking at it correctly. Plenty of libs and their donors are making a fortune out of it. That was it's true purpose  ... in that regard it's a complete success.
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Reply #20 - Sep 26th, 2019 at 6:41pm
 
The silly old dull dreary boring union propaganda parrot BlackDay is squawking the Socialist rubbish rotting in the sun at the drug capital. Geez he is a waste of space.
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Reply #21 - Sep 26th, 2019 at 8:15pm
 
All welfare, every single cent, should be by welfare card.

Controlled so that the money can only be used for food, housing and the necessities of life.

No entertainment, no smokes, no grog.

And if the recipient does not use that fortnights allocated free money, they lose it.
No more hoarding it for trips to Bali.

This free money is a privilege,  not a right.

If you want money to spend how you like.
Get a job.....easy
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Reply #22 - Sep 26th, 2019 at 8:17pm
 
Valky you are absolutely correct but the Centrelink dependent Lefties will HATE you.
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Reply #23 - Sep 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm
 
Valkie wrote on Sep 26th, 2019 at 8:15pm:
All welfare, every single cent, should be by welfare card.

Controlled so that the money can only be used for food, housing and the necessities of life.

No entertainment, no smokes, no grog.

And if the recipient does not use that fortnights allocated free money, they lose it.
No more hoarding it for trips to Bali.

This free money is a privilege,  not a right.

If you want money to spend how you like.
Get a job.....easy



It's not that easy to get a job -
I know a fully qualified engineer with an excellent job record
who applied for 600 jobs before he got one.
It ended up as a short term gig job.

The job situation out there is dreadful.
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Reply #24 - Sep 26th, 2019 at 9:32pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 26th, 2019 at 12:25pm:
rhino wrote on Sep 25th, 2019 at 10:54pm:
Bam wrote on Sep 25th, 2019 at 10:05pm:
Quote:
Professor Langton said the idea of the cards, along with other welfare reforms, was to wean people off social security and make them useful members of the economy.

The answer the Libs will never consider: push the unemployment rate down to 2% or lower and mandate full employment by law backed by a Job Guarantee.

Australia has a serious problem with chronic high unemployment that has persisted for over 40 years. No amount of supply-side pressure will fix the lack of demand for Australian workers. Right now, 15 OECD countries have an unemployment rate that is lower than Australia has managed at any time in the last 40 years. Until this problem of chronic high unemployment is addressed, we will always have economic victims. Scapegoating these victims will not fix anything.
I wouldnt disagree with any of this but its the kids who suffer in these remote communities. It is a serious issue that their parents spend welfare money on grog, cigarettes and  junk food often leaving the kids go hungry or at the best severely neglected. If the PC brigade wont allow us to take the kids off them anymore then we have a responsibility to do something.


Its not just ppl in remote communities on that card. Its not just aboriginals either. Nor is it just ppl on newstart.

Spot
But every example the bleeding hearts are using are aboriginals in remote areas. Maybe the others just arent complaining as much. Its a credit card that cant be used to buy anything other than basic neccessities. There really is not an issue.
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Reply #25 - Sep 26th, 2019 at 9:46pm
 
rhino wrote on Sep 26th, 2019 at 9:32pm:
But every example the bleeding hearts are using are aboriginals in remote areas. Maybe the others just arent complaining as much. Its a credit card that cant be used to buy anything other than basic neccessities. There really is not an issue.

Pull your head out of your arse sometime. Maybe you'll learn something.

This card has been a clusterfkk from day one. Payments declining for no reason. Multiple transactions on the card for a single purchase that take weeks or months to be corrected. Indue stealing money out of victims' bank accounts. Indue taking the money out of the Indue accounts and then not forwarding the payments on to the intended recipients, including important payments like rent and car registration. The provided app not working. There have been many other problems of this kind.

Indue couldn't run a chook raffle. Why are they being allowed to run this? Crony corruption.

Indue has buggered this up so hard that they should be made the subject of a Royal Commission.
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Reply #26 - Sep 26th, 2019 at 9:49pm
 
Bam wrote on Sep 26th, 2019 at 9:46pm:
rhino wrote on Sep 26th, 2019 at 9:32pm:
But every example the bleeding hearts are using are aboriginals in remote areas. Maybe the others just arent complaining as much. Its a credit card that cant be used to buy anything other than basic neccessities. There really is not an issue.

Pull your head out of your arse sometime. Maybe you'll learn something.

This card has been a clusterfkk from day one. Payments declining for no reason. Multiple transactions on the card for a single purchase that take weeks or months to be corrected. Indue stealing money out of victims' bank accounts. Indue taking the money out of the Indue accounts and then not forwarding the payments on to the intended recipients, including important payments like rent and car registration. The provided app not working. There have been many other problems of this kind.

ah, so its not anything to do with the actual principle of the card, its the implementation. I hear the NDIS is not being implemented very well, maybe we should just abandon that as well.
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Reply #27 - Sep 26th, 2019 at 11:31pm
 
I like how the polies get a very generous payrise and then tell us porkies that is a recommendation from an independent tribunal. No one twisting their arm to take it though Cheesy LOL
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Reply #28 - Sep 26th, 2019 at 11:46pm
 
rhino wrote on Sep 26th, 2019 at 9:49pm:
Bam wrote on Sep 26th, 2019 at 9:46pm:
rhino wrote on Sep 26th, 2019 at 9:32pm:
But every example the bleeding hearts are using are aboriginals in remote areas. Maybe the others just arent complaining as much. Its a credit card that cant be used to buy anything other than basic neccessities. There really is not an issue.

Pull your head out of your arse sometime. Maybe you'll learn something.

This card has been a clusterfkk from day one. Payments declining for no reason. Multiple transactions on the card for a single purchase that take weeks or months to be corrected. Indue stealing money out of victims' bank accounts. Indue taking the money out of the Indue accounts and then not forwarding the payments on to the intended recipients, including important payments like rent and car registration. The provided app not working. There have been many other problems of this kind.

ah, so its not anything to do with the actual principle of the card, its the implementation. I hear the NDIS is not being implemented very well, maybe we should just abandon that as well.

The idea of the card is a crock of sht. It is quite ludicrous to suggest that people suddenly lose their ability to manage money after getting retrenched, getting old or having to care for someone.

The real story of the card though is that each card cost $12,000 to set up and similar ongoing costs. Who gets that money? The Coalition's mates and cronies. It is a huge corruption scandal. Why do the conservative nongs have nothing to say about that? Is it because conservatives turn a blind eye to blatant corruption as long as they get to bully and oppress vulnerable people?
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Reply #29 - Sep 27th, 2019 at 12:32am
 
We as tax payers are paying basically the equivalent of an entire year of welfare payments per card per person.

Essentially double per person per Centrelink payment. That's a lot of cash.

There are, reportedly, 6700 cards issued in the trial of Indue.

That's about $67 million that we as tax payers paid. That's a lot of cash that could have gone into drug policy, rehab and other services. Instead it went into the bank accounts of Indue.

There are roughly 700,000 unemployed people in Australia. If every single one of them are placed on an Indue card it will cost the tax payer seven billion dollars to transition to cashless welfare. Not to mention disability or aged pension.

What the f.uck is that going to do to the budget surplus?

Sure it sounded like a good idea when people thought it was only f.ucking abbos who would be affected but now it looks like the majority of welfare recipients (i.e. non abbos) are also going to be subject to this card.

All of a sudden it's a bad thing.
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