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Reply #1 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 4:09pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 2:44pm:



Oh, the irony... After 3 years of screaming that Russia didn't interfere and the trump campaign didn't collude, the dumbest moron ever to hold office openly COLLUDES with a foreign power in order to INTERFERE with the election.

You couldnt make this stuff up. And listen to the sounds of republicans criticising his actions...


crickets...
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Reply #2 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 6:15pm
 
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Reply #3 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 6:17pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 4:09pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 2:44pm:



Oh, the irony... After 3 years of screaming that Russia didn't interfere and the trump campaign didn't collude, the dumbest moron ever to hold office openly COLLUDES with a foreign power in order to INTERFERE with the election.

You couldnt make this stuff up. And listen to the sounds of republicans criticising his actions...


crickets...


Masterful. You leftards should study Mr Trump' tactics - at least 5 years. You could spend about 6 months on this one, it's genius.
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Reply #4 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 6:19pm
 
SerialBrain9 wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 6:15pm:
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They're being pathetic again, Mechanic. What's wrong with paying a foreign president to spy on Sleepy Joe?

I mean, seriously. Is this all they've got?
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Reply #5 - Sep 22nd, 2019 at 12:59am
 
Who's the "whistleblower" and does he/she have any info?


You haters will believe anything bad about Trump - truth be dammed!

Its not that what you believe is wrong that is so disturbing but that you don't care!

From what I hear Trump had a conversation with the Ukraine leader and perhaps he did mention Joe's son. Perfectly acceptable for a President to do so.

The Dems want to attack first with and ward off a potentially damaging scandal by attacking the President and creating a smokescreen.

The origin of this story surrounds then VP Joe Biden whose son was being investigated by a Ukrainian prosecutor for corruption.

Joe stepped in and threatened that if the Ukrainian Gov did not sack the prosecutor - the grant of a billion or so dollars would not be forthcoming from the US.

Joe bragged about getting the Ukraine's top prosecutor - the "son of a bitch" sacked at a CFR meeting. The CFR (Council of Foreign Relations) is the heart of the US deep state and Joe probably felt confident saying these things - there. The Ukainian prosecutor complained that he was sacked because of pressure from Joe Biden and according to Joe he was.

Open and shut case of bribery! Just the media once again acting as agents of the Dems propaganda arm.

about 1.30 onward.



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Reply #6 - Sep 22nd, 2019 at 2:23am
 
Oh, stop playing the leftard's game, Rich. If Mr Trump can pay off the Ukranians to smear Sleepy Joe, good luck to him.

He is the president, you know. Why shouldn't he get these countries to work in Amerika's interest?

It's been his position from day 1.
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Reply #7 - Sep 22nd, 2019 at 5:09am
 
Richdude wrote on Sep 22nd, 2019 at 12:59am:
Who's the "whistleblower" and does he/she have any info?


You haters will believe anything bad about Trump - truth be dammed!

Its not that what you believe is wrong that is so disturbing but that you don't care!

From what I hear Trump had a conversation with the Ukraine leader and perhaps he did mention Joe's son. Perfectly acceptable for a President to do so.

The Dems want to attack first with and ward off a potentially damaging scandal by attacking the President and creating a smokescreen.

The origin of this story surrounds then VP Joe Biden whose son was being investigated by a Ukrainian prosecutor for corruption.

Joe stepped in and threatened that if the Ukrainian Gov did not sack the prosecutor - the grant of a billion or so dollars would not be forthcoming from the US.

Joe bragged about getting the Ukraine's top prosecutor - the "son of a bitch" sacked at a CFR meeting. The CFR (Council of Foreign Relations) is the heart of the US deep state and Joe probably felt confident saying these things - there. The Ukainian prosecutor complained that he was sacked because of pressure from Joe Biden and according to Joe he was.

Open and shut case of bribery! Just the media once again acting as agents of the Dems propaganda arm.

about 1.30 onward.





You have to wonder about the moral climate the Dems and some Reps live in.

So arrogant and confident, they can say and do anything - totally above the law.

Well we have news for you criminals and it has started with the election of Donald Trump.

Panic time!
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Reply #8 - Sep 22nd, 2019 at 7:08am
 
More masterful manoeuvring by the Donald.

He knows most " real" Americans only want to talk about hunting, their SUV and the NFL.

They wouldn't even know what "Ukraine" was.


So trump plays the leftie intellectual elite who are all totally out of touch and now, these " braying donkeys" just blabber on about something Steve and janeen have zero interest in.

This , of course , estranges the media from real America even more and plays directly into trumps
" the media have lost their minds" dynamic.


So masterful
So stunningly stupid of the leftie intellectual elite.

Steve and janeen are really really worried about the Ukraine  Grin
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Grin Grin

You couldn't make this stuff up
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Reply #9 - Sep 22nd, 2019 at 7:33am
 
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Another Media Lie Blows Up in Their Face… Ukrainian Govt. Initiated Contact with Trump Admin – Giuliani’s Involvement Was Requested by State Dept.


As more pieces fall into place it becomes evident, once again, that the US media blew another hit piece on President Trump.

The latest overly hyped Ukrainian scandal just blew up in their face.

For over two years we've been reporting on Ukrainian collusion with the Hillary Clinton campaign. For the past six months TGP has been reporting on Joe Biden’s criminal acts in Ukraine.

According to John Solomon it was the Ukrainians that initiated contact with the Trump administration and it was the State Department that encouraged Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani to meet with a top Ukrainian official in July in Spain.

So the alleged far left “whistleblower” blew the story and the liberal media pounced on it anyway.
It was just more fake news from the mainstream media.

Giuliani didn’t initiate it. A senior U.S. diplomat contacted him in July and asked for permission to connect Yermak with him.

Then, Giuliani met in early August with Yermak on neutral ground — in Spain — before reporting back to State everything that occurred at the meeting.

That debriefing occurred Aug. 11 by phone with two senior U.S. diplomats, one with responsibility for Ukraine and the other with responsibility for the European Union, according to electronic communications records I reviewed and interviews I conducted.

When asked on Friday, Giuliani confirmed to me that the State Department asked him to take the Yermak meeting and that he did, in fact, apprise U.S. officials every step of the way.

“I didn’t even know who he [Yermak] really was, but they vouched for him. They actually urged me to talk to him because they said he seemed like an honest broker,” Giuliani told me. “I reported back to them [the two State officials] what my conversations with Yermak were about. All of this was done at the request of the State Department.”

So, rather than just a political opposition research operation, Giuliani’s contacts were part of a diplomatic effort by the State Department to grow trust with the new Ukrainian president, Zelensky, a former television comic making his first foray into politics and diplomacy.

Why would Ukraine want to talk to Giuliani, and why would the State Department be involved in facilitating it?

According to interviews with more than a dozen Ukrainian and U.S. officials,
Ukraine’s government under recently departed President Petro Poroshenko and, now, Zelensky has been trying since summer 2018 to hand over evidence about the conduct of Americans they believe might be involved in violations of U.S. law during the Obama years.


The Ukrainians say their efforts to get their allegations to U.S. authorities were thwarted first by the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, which failed to issue timely visas allowing them to visit America.

Then the Ukrainians hired a former U.S. attorney — not Giuliani — to hand-deliver the evidence of wrongdoing to the U.S. attorney's office in New York, but the federal prosecutors never responded.

The U.S. attorney, a respected American, confirmed the Ukrainians’ story to me. The allegations that Ukrainian officials wanted to pass on involved both
efforts by the Democratic National Committee to pressure Ukraine to meddle in the 2016 U.S. election as well as Joe Biden’s son’s effort to make money in Ukraine
while the former vice president managed U.S.-Ukraine relations, the retired U.S. attorney told me.

Eventually, Giuliani in November 2018 got wind of the Ukrainian allegations and started to investigate.

As President Trump’s highest-profile defense attorney, the former New York City mayor, often known simply as Rudy, believed the Ukrainian's evidence could assist in his defense against the Russia collusion investigation and former special counsel Robert Mueller’s final report.

So Giuliani began to check things out in late 2018 and early 2019, but he never set foot in Ukraine. And when Ukrainian officials leaked word that he was considering visiting Ukraine to meet with senior officials to discuss the allegations — and it got politicized in America — Giuliani abruptly called off his trip. He stopped talking to the Ukrainian officials.

Since that time, my American and foreign sources tell me, Ukrainian officials worried that the slight of Giuliani might hurt their relations with his most famous client, Trump.

And Trump himself added to the dynamic by encouraging Ukraine’s leaders to work with Giuliani to surface the evidence of alleged wrongdoing that has been floating around for more than two years, my sources said.

It is likely that the State Department’s overture to Giuliani in July was designed to allay fears of a diplomatic slight and to assure the nascent Ukrainian administration that everything would be OK between the two allies. 

The belief was that if Zelensky’s top lawyer could talk to Trump’s top lawyer, everything could be patched up, officials explained to me.

Ukrainian officials also are discussing privately the possibility of creating a parliamentary committee to assemble the evidence and formally send it to the U.S. Congress, after failed attempts to get the Department of Justice’s attention, my sources say.


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Reply #10 - Sep 22nd, 2019 at 7:33am
 
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Such machinations are common when two countries are navigating diplomatic challenges, and, often, extracurricular activities with private citizens are part of the strategy, even if they are not apparent to the American public. 

So the media stories of Giuliani’s alleged political opposition research in Ukraine, it turns out, are a bit different than first reported. It’s exactly the sort of nuanced, complex news development that my mentor nearly 30 years ago warned about.

And it’s too bad a shallow media effort has failed to capture the whole story and tell it to the American public in its entirety. 

It’s almost as though the lessons of the now debunked Russia-Trump collusion narrative didn't really sink in for some reporters. And that is a loss for the American public. The continuing folly was evidenced when much attention was given Friday to Hillary Clinton’s tweet suggesting Trump’s contact with Zelensky amounted to an effort to solicit a foreign power to interfere in the next election.

That tweet may be provocative, but it’s unfair. The contacts were about resolving what happened in the last election — and the last administration.

And if anyone is to have high moral ground on foreign interference in elections, Clinton can’t be first in line.

Her campaign lawyers caused Christopher Steele, a British foreign national desperate to defeat to Trump, to be hired to solicit unverified allegations from Russians about Trump as part of an opposition research project and then went to the FBI to trump up an investigation on Trump. And her party leaders, the Democratic National Committee, asked the Ukrainian Embassy to also try to dig up dirt on Trump. That’s not a record worthy of throwing the first punch on this story.

The truth is, getting to the bottom of the Ukraine allegations will benefit everyone. If the Bidens and Ukraine did nothing wrong, they should be absolved. If wrongdoing happened, then it should be dealt with.

The folly of the current coverage is preventing us from getting the answer we deserve.


https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/462422-missing-piece-to-the-ukraine-puzz...

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Fireworks! Rudy Giuliani BLASTS Chris Cuomo for CNN’s Refusal to Cover MASSIVE 1.5 Billion BIDEN FAMILY UKRAINIAN SCANDAL


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Joe Biden Crime Family

After leaving office in 2017, Vice President Joe Biden Bragged about strong-arming the government of Ukraine to fire its top prosecutor.

Joe Biden made the remarks during a meeting of foreign policy specialists. Biden said he, “Threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.” Biden suggested during his talk that Barack Obama was in on the threat.

In April John Solomon revealed what Biden did not tell his audience. Joe Biden had Shokin fired because he was investigating Joe Biden’s son Hunter.

Poroshenko was investigating $3 million in funds that were being transferred out of Ukraine and into accounts in the United States at that time.

Joe Biden had him fired.


In May President Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani said in an interview that he plans to travel to Ukraine to push the country’s leadership on several probes that may prove “very, very helpful” to President Trump, as Republicans continue looking to turn the tables on Democrats and prove that they — not the GOP — were the party that improperly conspired with foreign actors.

Rudy Giuliani later joined Sean Hannity to discuss this international scandal involving Joe Biden and his drug addict son, Hunter Biden.

Rudy told Sean that Joe Biden will be investigated no matter what.

Three days later Rep. Adam Schiff told ABC that President Trump should not be allowed to investigate Joe Biden’s criminal dealings in Ukraine.


Joe Biden and his son also secured a billion-dollar China deal just days after former Vice President Joe Biden visited China in 2013.

Now this week the liberal mainstream media has been pushing another Trump scandal with screaming headlines that they were convinced would take down the Trump regime.


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Reply #13 - Sep 22nd, 2019 at 8:17am
 
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Corrupt Obama Ambassador Refused Visas to Ukrainian Officials to Enter US — Had Evidence of Obama Admin Misconduct to Give to Trump Officials


U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovich was a Trump-hater. She was appointed by Obama as ambassador to Ukraine in 2016.

She was US ambassador to Ukraine during the 2016 election when the Ukrainian government was colluding with the DNC and Hillary Campaign to undermine the US presidential election.

Starting in 2018 Yovanovich denied Ukrainian officials visas to enter the United States to hand over evidence of Obama administration misconduct to Trump administration officials.


US Ambassador Yovanovich, an Obama appointee, was removed from her post in Ukraine early in May 2019.

John Solomon

According to interviews with more than a dozen Ukrainian and U.S. officials, Ukraine’s government under recently departed President Petro Poroshenko and, now, Zelensky has been trying since summer 2018 to hand over evidence about the conduct of Americans they believe might be involved in violations of U.S. law during the Obama years.

The Ukrainians say their efforts to get their allegations to U.S. authorities were thwarted first by the U.S. embassy in Kiev, which failed to issue timely visas allowing them to visit America.

The Ukrainian officials were denied their visas to enter the US in 2018.

Corrupt Ambassador Yovanovich was fired by the Trump administration in May 2019 when all of the Ukrainian collusion with the DNC came to light.

It is telling that far left Democrat lawmakers Steny Hoyer and Eliot Engels were most upset with Ambassador Yovanovitch’s removal.

Via Foreign Policy magazine.

Now, those lawmakers are bringing their concerns into the public. “The White House’s outrageous decision to recall her is a political hit job and the latest in this Administration’s campaign against career State Department personnel,” said Democratic Reps. Steny Hoyer, House majority leader, and Eliot Engel, the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, in a joint statement made public Tuesday. “It’s clear that this decision was politically motivated, as allies of President Trump had joined foreign actors in lobbying for the Ambassador’s dismissal.”


https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/462422-missing-piece-to-the-ukraine-puzz...

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THESE stories have been put on this forum months and months back.

The Forum Liberals ignored them hoping that they'd go away.

But once Trumps name was connected to them their TDS sent them into a shark feeding frenzy.

Only to, yet again, have the entire Fake News Narrative blow up in their stupid faces.

So it was good that the Lying Media tried to spin the story that somehow the DNC corruptness was Trump - because now everyone is taking an interest in the story and they have found the real culprits of Corruption.

Joe Biden is finished.

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Reply #14 - Sep 22nd, 2019 at 10:28am
 
I love how every far fetch internet rumour that is without evidence other than red lines using ignorance to connect topics that have nothing to do with each other, digital or not are taken as fact if it helps the Trump narrative.

But anything else, even if there is actual evidence from the Mueller report detailing the instances of obstruction of justice from the Trump team, to those patriots alerting the authorities to things like this latest example with Trump and Ukraine, well that's Fake News or TDS.
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