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Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:21pm
 
I used to remember all my passwords and it was hard. I've decided to get over it and rely on a password manager. I searched around for one that generated random, long, unrememberable passwords and found Chrome did it with a flag set and with a google account saved them across devices . Now don't get het up. Hear me out.

You can turn on random PW generation in Chrome(chrome://flags ->Automatic password generation). It's a bit of a pain to change a site password. Log in, delete the saved data, change password, generate password, save password somewhere else, copy and paste, tell chrome to remove the password from that site(chrome://settings/privacy Auto-fill->passwords) then log out, log in again and paste the password you saved. It's easy for new sites as there is no need for that. Don't change a password until you have copied the new one somewhere. I just paste it into a new browser tab as a temp. Then log in and have chrome/chromium save the new data.

You can export these passwords to use in other browsers or password managers.

So, I don't need a memory anymore and all my passwords are so obscure I couldn't remember them all anyway.

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Reply #1 - Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:37pm
 
I like Keepass and keep the data file on a USB (and a few other places).

Another trick, I type in two easily remembered characters before and after the saved password, just in case somehow it's hacked, the stored password won't work.
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Reply #2 - Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:38pm
 
There is a rumor that since Win95 - a long time ago that Bill Gates was forced
to hand over the source code of all the Windows operating systems to the the NSA who then passed it on all around the world.

This means that a State actor can send you a fake Windows update
that includes a key logger that sends all your keystrokes
to the Govt. so that any password is recorded.
Also, any file can be read on your hard disk remotely
and sent out by a temporarily open port.

You have no privacy - and  you haven't since 1995.

Windows is wide open to Govt. agencies & possible many criminal actors.
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Reply #3 - Sep 20th, 2019 at 11:36pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
There is a rumor that since Win95 - a long time ago that Bill Gates was forced
to hand over the source code of all the Windows operating systems to the the NSA who then passed it on all around the world.

This means that a State actor can send you a fake Windows update
that includes a key logger that sends all your keystrokes
to the Govt. so that any password is recorded.
Also, any file can be read on your hard disk remotely
and sent out by a temporarily open port.

You have no privacy - and  you haven't since 1995.

Windows is wide open to Govt. agencies & possible many criminal actors.


Ummmm. I don't do windows. I had win 3.0 on a pc I bought. Then 3.1 upgrade but everything was DOS then anyway. I moved to OS/2 then to Linux. I haven't done windows since 1993.

Edit: I know that looks elitist. I've supported win for years for work. I just don't use it personally and wouldn't.
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Reply #4 - Sep 20th, 2019 at 11:43pm
 
This thread is more about that there is a random password gen in Chrome or Chromium and how to use it. It just needs to be turned on.
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Reply #5 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 5:04am
 
Setanta wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 11:36pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
There is a rumor that since Win95 - a long time ago that Bill Gates was forced
to hand over the source code of all the Windows operating systems to the the NSA who then passed it on all around the world.

This means that a State actor can send you a fake Windows update
that includes a key logger that sends all your keystrokes
to the Govt. so that any password is recorded.
Also, any file can be read on your hard disk remotely
and sent out by a temporarily open port.

You have no privacy - and  you haven't since 1995.

Windows is wide open to Govt. agencies & possible many criminal actors.


Ummmm. I don't do windows. I had win 3.0 on a pc I bought. Then 3.1 upgrade but everything was DOS then anyway. I moved to OS/2 then to Linux. I haven't done windows since 1993.

Edit: I know that looks elitist. I've supported win for years for work. I just don't use it personally and wouldn't.



Yes - Linux is much safer but I've never even seen it.
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Reply #6 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 8:40am
 
One thing to keep in mind, if you have a local admin account or root access you can export the passwords from Chrome.  An external manager that encrypts the password and also does the same sort of sync to the other devices is a little more secure, but you're still having your passwords to a 3rd party.
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Reply #7 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:49am
 
Are there no more backdoors into Windows? (That sounds rather strange a door in a window).

I don't use Win anymore either.

I use "Password Gorilla" which will also generate passwords as well as store them. It runs on Mac and Win as well.
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Reply #8 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:58am
 
Setanta wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 10:21pm:
I used to remember all my passwords and it was hard. I've decided to get over it and rely on a password manager. I searched around for one that generated random, long, unrememberable passwords and found Chrome did it with a flag set and with a google account saved them across devices . Now don't get het up. Hear me out.

You can turn on random PW generation in Chrome(chrome://flags ->Automatic password generation). It's a bit of a pain to change a site password. Log in, delete the saved data, change password, generate password, save password somewhere else, copy and paste, tell chrome to remove the password from that site(chrome://settings/privacy Auto-fill->passwords) then log out, log in again and paste the password you saved. It's easy for new sites as there is no need for that. Don't change a password until you have copied the new one somewhere. I just paste it into a new browser tab as a temp. Then log in and have chrome/chromium save the new data.

You can export these passwords to use in other browsers or password managers.

So, I don't need a memory anymore and all my passwords are so obscure I couldn't remember them all anyway.


Good idea. I have been considering that too.

The IT department at work had a seminar on it, they recommended 'Lastpass'.
They had done the research.  I have not joined it yet but will.

https://www.lastpass.com/

https://www.lastpass.com/
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Reply #9 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:10pm
 
Why trust any 3rd party software?

They might have a glossy website but who knows what they are really doing?
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Reply #10 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:13pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:10pm:
Why trust any 3rd party software?



because given Windows and its past history of back doors, I wouldn't rely on any password manager they chuck up.
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Reply #11 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:23pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:10pm:
Why trust any 3rd party software?

They might have a glossy website but who knows what they are really doing?


Same thing to worry about when syncing passwords with Chome itself...
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Reply #12 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:24pm
 
lee wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:13pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:10pm:
Why trust any 3rd party software?



because given Windows and its past history of back doors, I wouldn't rely on any password manager they chuck up.



Privacy was destroyed after 1995.
It doesn't matter what you do - your computer
is open to any determined hacker - especially Govt. actors.
Even if you keep passwords in a black book inside a safe -
they can still be broadcast from a key logger to a hacker or the Govt.
Govts. have back doors to every file on your computer.
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Reply #13 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:41pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:24pm:
Privacy was destroyed after 1995.


That doesn't mean you shouldn't take precautions. And using third party on Windows would be the first thing I did.

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Reply #14 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:54pm
 
lee wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:41pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:24pm:
Privacy was destroyed after 1995.


That doesn't mean you shouldn't take precautions. And using third party on Windows would be the first thing I did.




I have my own methods to hide passwords.
That's all I can do.

go to
www.grc.com

and do a shields up test on -
at least see if you're in stealth mode on all service ports -  all 1056 of them.

( there are actually even more,  65,536 to be precise
but they don't mention them!)
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