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Question: Should there be Voter ID in the USA?
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Reply #2 - Sep 20th, 2019 at 1:01pm
 

Ah, the Facebook post from Philip Schuyler.

"This post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed."

The Facebook post said, "Two Facts: 1. The only valid reason to oppose voter ID is that you plan to cheat. 2. Every Democrat in Congress opposes voter ID. What more do you need to know about the party?"

"Critics of voter ID laws often defend their position by stating that not every voting-age citizen possesses a valid government-issued photo ID, and these laws disproportionately impact some more than others, including citizens of color and citizens 65 and older. Concern that more people are able to vote does not amount to an interest in cheating.

"While it is difficult to verify whether every congressional Democrat opposes voter ID laws of all kinds, we do know that every House Democrat who voted on HR 1, which could weaken voter ID laws, supported the bill. However, it’s important to remember that this was one aspect of a far-reaching bill.

"This claim contains an element of truth but distorts many critical details. We rate it Mostly False."



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https://libertycampfire.com/2018/11/16/why-do-democrats-oppose-voter-id-laws/

Why Do Democrats Oppose Voter ID Laws?


Democrats are adamant that we do not need Voter ID laws. 

Former President Obama claimed that the potential for voter fraud was so low that it was a waste of money and resources to bother with it.  To back up his claim he referred to the low number of criminal prosecutions in this area.

He and other Democrats have gone on to claim that such laws are really an attempt by the GOP to suppress minority voter turnout. 

Is this the case? 

Do Voter ID laws suppress minority voter turnout? 

What are the actual facts?


Voter ID laws have been passed in a variety of states. 

In Georgia, black voter turnout for the 2006 midterm elections was 42.9 percent. After Georgia passed its photo ID requirement, black turnout in the 2010 midterm rose 17.5%. Similar increases occurred in Indiana and Mississippi after they enacted their voter ID laws.


Such was also the case in North Carolina when a Voter ID law passed there.  Minority participation rose after its passage. 

However, the Obama DOJ took North Carolina to Federal Court and got the law overturned.   Three Democratic-appointed judges ruled that the intent of the legislature (no verbal or written record exists) was to suppress minority participation.  This flies in the face of what actually happened.


So, if Voter ID laws actually increase minority voter participation, why are the Dems opposed?

On the surface it would seem that, since minority voters tend to vote heavily Democratic, they would want such laws in place.

The real reason probably lies with the fact that the lack of such laws makes it easier to “find” votes during close elections.  In fact, the whole panoply of items such as, motor voter laws, mail-in ballots, early voting, etc., which are supposed to make it easier to vote, actually make it a lot easier to commit fraud.

One is reminded of the 1960 campaign between JFK and Nixon.  As Daniel Sobieski over at American Thinker pointed out:

“As election night victories seemingly slip away from GOP candidates like Martha McSally in Arizona, Brian Kemp in Georgia, and Rick Scott and Ron DeSantis in Florida, one can almost hear Democrat operatives and election officials asking the same question — how many votes does the Democrat candidate need?”

Motor voter laws and early voting are a plague on our electoral integrity.  Motor voter is particularly problematic in states that hand driver’s licenses out to illegal aliens.  Pennsylvania was recently found to have registered some 100,000 aliens to vote.

Such individuals can drive to the polls and vote, disenfranchising American citizens. Mail-in ballots are invitations to fraud, plagued with signatures that don’t match. 

Same day registration and voting are seen as a probable cause of New Hampshire’ electoral ballots going to Hillary Clinton as thousands of Democrats from Massachusetts drove across the border and voted.


It is time for this to stop. Just what is so hard about requiring a voter to show up with an ID that proves they are an American citizen and who they say they are?

Photo IDs are required to board an airplane, open a bank account, check into a hotel, buy liquor, enter a school building, and for a host of other daily activities.

Voter ID’s should be required to vote. Then debacles like what is going on in Florida can be avoided.
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Mechie, you appear to be ignoring a post from me, why?  Afraid of it's portent?  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #6 - Sep 20th, 2019 at 5:11pm
 
On the surface, you would think voter ID is a good thing. But not in the racist red states of America. One state had its voter ID laws overturned by SCOTUS because they were 'materially designed to deny the vote to minorities and the young who tend to vote for the Democrats'.

When the conservative SCOTUS tells you that your laws are racist and biased, you know you have problems. The electoral system in the USA is so corrupt and biased that external voting-fairness groups have labelled the US elections as 'borderline undemocratic'. Witness the 6hour waits to vote in democrat-leaning areas with almost no wait in REpublican-leaning areas.

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President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 1:03pm:
Quote:
https://libertycampfire.com/2018/11/16/why-do-democrats-oppose-voter-id-laws/

Why Do Democrats Oppose Voter ID Laws?


Democrats are adamant that we do not need Voter ID laws. 

Former President Obama claimed that the potential for voter fraud was so low that it was a waste of money and resources to bother with it.  To back up his claim he referred to the low number of criminal prosecutions in this area.

He and other Democrats have gone on to claim that such laws are really an attempt by the GOP to suppress minority voter turnout. 

Is this the case? 

Do Voter ID laws suppress minority voter turnout? 

What are the actual facts?


Voter ID laws have been passed in a variety of states. 

In Georgia, black voter turnout for the 2006 midterm elections was 42.9 percent. After Georgia passed its photo ID requirement, black turnout in the 2010 midterm rose 17.5%. Similar increases occurred in Indiana and Mississippi after they enacted their voter ID laws.


Such was also the case in North Carolina when a Voter ID law passed there.  Minority participation rose after its passage. 

However, the Obama DOJ took North Carolina to Federal Court and got the law overturned.   Three Democratic-appointed judges ruled that the intent of the legislature (no verbal or written record exists) was to suppress minority participation.  This flies in the face of what actually happened.


So, if Voter ID laws actually increase minority voter participation, why are the Dems opposed?


On the surface it would seem that, since minority voters tend to vote heavily Democratic, they would want such laws in place.

The real reason probably lies with the fact that the lack of such laws makes it easier to “find” votes during close elections.  In fact, the whole panoply of items such as, motor voter laws, mail-in ballots, early voting, etc., which are supposed to make it easier to vote, actually make it a lot easier to commit fraud.

One is reminded of the 1960 campaign between JFK and Nixon.  As Daniel Sobieski over at American Thinker pointed out:

“As election night victories seemingly slip away from GOP candidates like Martha McSally in Arizona, Brian Kemp in Georgia, and Rick Scott and Ron DeSantis in Florida, one can almost hear Democrat operatives and election officials asking the same question — how many votes does the Democrat candidate need?”

Motor voter laws and early voting are a plague on our electoral integrity.  Motor voter is particularly problematic in states that hand driver’s licenses out to illegal aliens.  Pennsylvania was recently found to have registered some 100,000 aliens to vote.

Such individuals can drive to the polls and vote, disenfranchising American citizens. Mail-in ballots are invitations to fraud, plagued with signatures that don’t match. 

Same day registration and voting are seen as a probable cause of New Hampshire’ electoral ballots going to Hillary Clinton as thousands of Democrats from Massachusetts drove across the border and voted.


It is time for this to stop. Just what is so hard about requiring a voter to show up with an ID that proves they are an American citizen and who they say they are?

Photo IDs are required to board an airplane, open a bank account, check into a hotel, buy liquor, enter a school building, and for a host of other daily activities.

Voter ID’s should be required to vote. Then debacles like what is going on in Florida can be avoided.


We all know why the DNC don't want voter ID - because they are smacking cheats.

Watch for the GOP to push for voter ID soon to stop the rigging of elections from the Dems.

Watch the Dems and their supporters "RESIST"
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Reply #8 - Sep 20th, 2019 at 11:32pm
 
If the Powers that Be wanted every American to vote there would be a system in place in which that would happen easily and safely with little chance for fraud.

Instead, in the South, polling places are closing in areas that are largely populated by blacks ...
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Fake news.

"This post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed."

The Facebook post said, "Two Facts: 1. The only valid reason to oppose voter ID is that you plan to cheat. 2. Every Democrat in Congress opposes voter ID. What more do you need to know about the party?"

"Critics of voter ID laws often defend their position by stating that not every voting-age citizen possesses a valid government-issued photo ID, and these laws disproportionately impact some more than others, including citizens of color and citizens 65 and older. Concern that more people are able to vote does not amount to an interest in cheating.

"While it is difficult to verify whether every congressional Democrat opposes voter ID laws of all kinds, we do know that every House Democrat who voted on HR 1, which could weaken voter ID laws, supported the bill. However, it’s important to remember that this was one aspect of a far-reaching bill.

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Reply #10 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 6:35am
 
There should be Voter ID laws, but they need to be designed in a way that isn't discriminatory to anyone who is eligible to vote, nor place any undue burden on them being able to obtain the IDs.

Each proposal so far has failed to do that and like the bulk of gerrymandering has been specifically targeted to help Republicans.

Until they can remove these issues it's just another way the Republicans try to subvert democracy.
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President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 20th, 2019 at 12:33pm:
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Oh sure, the leftards might pretend it's about getting as many people out to vote as possible, including those who don't have their photo ID, but it's really about getting registered illegals to vote for the Democrats.

Let's face it, the less people vote, the better it is for Amerika. Mr Trump gets to stay in and continue helping his base: rich kids, big business and people who use gold toilets.

The one thing in nobody's interest is getting the working poor out to vote. That would undermine everything Mr Trump stands for.

Politics is entertainment. As long as Mr Trump can keep his reality TV show in the White House going, the better it will be for Amerika. As long as Mr Trump can have a bit of fun with the leftards, there's money to be made.

Mr Trump can lower even more corporate and inheritance taxes, have even more government employees stay at his hotels, and borrow even more money from China to pay for it all.

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Reply #12 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 1:56pm
 
The fact is that the types of voter ID tried in the USA - has mainly resulted in turning away legitimate voters and making it easier, not harder to cheat the voting system.
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Dnarever wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 1:56pm:
The fact is that the types of voter ID tried in the USA - has mainly resulted in turning away legitimate voters and making it easier, not harder to cheat the voting system.


Well yes, but somebody has to do something about these illegal immigrants voting. I mean, there they all are, on the run, doing everything in cash, but they register to vote like good citizens.

Well, like the good citizens who bother to vote, anyway.

Apparently, there are so many of these illegals, they even cost Mr Trump the popular vote, can you believe it?

Everybody's saying this, believe me.

No, if Russia does its usual meddling, it's only evening out the score. Mr Trump deserves this.

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