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Sep 16th, 2019 at 1:28am
 
Defiant Saudi women stun onlookers by wearing Western clothes in public

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Defiant Saudi Arabian women have stunned onlookers on the streets of Riyadh by walking around without wearing the customary body-shrouding garments.

Despite the risk of provoking arch-conservatives, many women are now leaving their cloaks open in the front or wear them in bright colours.

Mashael al-Jaloud has taken the cultural rebellion a step further — she stopped wearing the robe altogether.

In a stunning sight, the 33-year-old human resources specialist strolled through a mall in central Riyadh last week wearing nothing but a burnt orange top over baggy trousers.

In the crowd, there were audible gasps and arched eyebrows. Women veiled head-to-toe stared askance. Some mistook her for a celebrity.

“Are you famous?” asked a woman who sidled up to her.

“Are you a model?” Jaloud laughed and said she was a normal Saudi woman.

The billowy abaya, usually all-black, is customary public wear for women in the ultraconservative Islamic kingdom, where it is widely seen as a symbol of piety.

Last year, de facto ruler Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman hinted during an interview with CBS that the dress code may be relaxed, saying the robe was not mandatory in Islam.

But despite his sweeping liberalisation drive, the practice continued as no formal edict followed.

Some women subsequently mounted a rare social media protest against the restriction, posting pictures of themselves wearing the figure-concealing garment inside out.

Jaloud is one of only a handful of women who have abandoned the abaya in recent months.
But the trend underscores a bold push for social liberties by young Saudis that may outstrip the monarchy’s capacity for change.

Manahel al-Otaibi, a 25-year-old activist, has also foregone the garment. “For four months I have been living in Riyadh without an abaya,” said Otaibi, walking along Tahlia St, a restaurant-lined thoroughfare, in casual overalls.

“I just want to live the way I want, freely and without restrictions. No one should force me to wear something I don’t want.” The abaya, which has existed for thousands of years but only became obligatory in recent decades, is also mandatory for non-Muslim women in the kingdom.

The dress code was once fanatically enforced by the now-neutered religious police, and uncovered women still face random harassment in a conservative nation where attire is often associated with chastity.

“There are no clear laws, no protection. I might be at risk, might be subjected to assault from religious fanatics because I am without an abaya,” Jaloud said.

In July, she posted a video on Twitter revealing another Riyadh mall had stopped her from entering without an abaya.
She said she had tried unsuccessfully to persuade its guards by playing Prince Mohammed’s television interview, in which he said women were only expected to wear “decent, respectful clothing” — not necessarily an abaya.

In response to her post, the mall tweeted it would not permit entry to “violators of public morals”.

A Saudi royal also condemned her on Twitter, calling her a publicity seeker and demanding she be punished for the “provocative” act.

Jaloud said she recently faced similar hostility at a Riyadh supermarket, where a fully veiled woman threatened to call the police.

Jaloud remains defiant, but she is still forced to wear an abaya and headscarf to work or risk losing her job.

In a regulation that seems to be arbitrarily enforced, the Saudi labour ministry says on its website that working women are expected to be “modest, well-covered” and should not wear anything “transparent”.

Prince Mohammed has sought to shake off his country’s ultraconservative image by allowing cinemas, mixed-gender concerts and greater freedoms for women, including the right to drive.

As part of the liberalisation, the kingdom has invited a host of international musicians to perform, such as rapper Nicki Minaj, well known for her skin-baring music videos.

“(Minaj) is going to shake her backside and all her songs are about sex … and then everyone tells me to wear the abaya,” a young Saudi woman fumed in a recent online video that went viral. “What the hell!”

Minaj eventually cancelled her visit, citing the kingdom’s poor human rights record.

But the sentiment encapsulates the tussle between a mostly young population clamouring for greater freedoms and hardliners alarmed by the pace of reforms they see as un-Islamic.

But Jaloud argued the abaya was “not linked to religion”. “If it was, Saudi women wouldn’t take them off when they go outside the kingdom,” she said.

AAP, from Apple News.
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Reply #2 - Sep 16th, 2019 at 6:06am
 
The Saudis are no better than the Taliban, according to Gandalf.
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When she ends up in jail, I wonder if she'll be tortured like the women who petitioned for women's rights to drive?

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Gordon wrote on Sep 16th, 2019 at 9:02am:
When she ends up in jail, I wonder if she'll be tortured like the women who petitioned for women's rights to drive?



That's what I thought - until I read the article.

Cunning, no?
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Reply #5 - Sep 16th, 2019 at 10:59am
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 16th, 2019 at 10:54am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 16th, 2019 at 9:02am:
When she ends up in jail, I wonder if she'll be tortured like the women who petitioned for women's rights to drive?



That's what I thought - until I read the article.

Cunning, no?


She's going to get the electrodes on her I reckon.


A Saudi royal also condemned her on Twitter, calling her a publicity seeker and demanding she be punished for the “provocative” act.
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Reply #6 - Sep 16th, 2019 at 11:00am
 
The prominent Saudi women’s rights activist Loujain al-Hathloul has rejected a proposal to secure her release from prison in exchange for a video statement denying reports she was tortured in custody, her family said

Hathloul was arrested more than a year ago with at least a dozen other women’s rights activists as Saudi Arabia ended a ban on women driving cars, which many of the detainees had long campaigned for.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/13/jailed-saudi-feminist-refuses-rele...
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She Wanted to Drive, So Saudi Arabia’s Ruler Imprisoned and Tortured Her

“She said she had been held in solitary confinement, beaten, waterboarded, given electric shocks


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/opinion/sunday/loujain-al-hathloul-saudi.html
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Reply #9 - Sep 16th, 2019 at 1:19pm
 
Gordon wrote on Sep 16th, 2019 at 11:01am:
She Wanted to Drive, So Saudi Arabia’s Ruler Imprisoned and Tortured Her

“She said she had been held in solitary confinement, beaten, waterboarded, given electric shocks


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/opinion/sunday/loujain-al-hathloul-saudi.html


Oh, I believe it. So what do you make of MBS saying the letterbox outfit is not in the Quran?

Given Saudi Arabia is essentially a dictatorship, would police worry about going against MBS?

Could it be that MBS actually wants a modern, Westernised society, but he's up against the people?

And no, by modern and Westernised, I don't mean democracy. I mean the ability to walk the streets without wearing a shroud.
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Gordon wrote on Sep 16th, 2019 at 9:02am:
When she ends up in jail, I wonder if she'll be tortured like the women who petitioned for women's rights to drive?



Saudis will send the pictures directly to Three-fingers Haji Gordon for him to slaver and drool over.
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islam is on the slippery slope of destruction.

Truth openness and honesty are the enemies of islam, it will die eventually, we have to fight the loony left ideology of: forcing all people to respect and accept islamic depravity.
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Reply #12 - Sep 17th, 2019 at 2:43pm
 
Gordon wrote on Sep 16th, 2019 at 11:01am:
She Wanted to Drive, So Saudi Arabia’s Ruler Imprisoned and Tortured Her

“She said she had been held in solitary confinement, beaten, waterboarded, given electric shocks


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/opinion/sunday/loujain-al-hathloul-saudi.html


The Saudis are soooo much better than the taliban according to FD.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #13 - Sep 17th, 2019 at 3:03pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 17th, 2019 at 2:43pm:
Gordon wrote on Sep 16th, 2019 at 11:01am:
She Wanted to Drive, So Saudi Arabia’s Ruler Imprisoned and Tortured Her

“She said she had been held in solitary confinement, beaten, waterboarded, given electric shocks


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/opinion/sunday/loujain-al-hathloul-saudi.html


The Saudis are soooo much better than the taliban according to FD.


Yeah, I'd agree they're much better than the Taliban, which isn't hard, but it's a bit like saying Hodgkin lymphoma is better than liver cancer.
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Reply #14 - Sep 17th, 2019 at 3:07pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 16th, 2019 at 1:19pm:
Gordon wrote on Sep 16th, 2019 at 11:01am:
She Wanted to Drive, So Saudi Arabia’s Ruler Imprisoned and Tortured Her

“She said she had been held in solitary confinement, beaten, waterboarded, given electric shocks


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/opinion/sunday/loujain-al-hathloul-saudi.html


Oh, I believe it. So what do you make of MBS saying the letterbox outfit is not in the Quran?

Given Saudi Arabia is essentially a dictatorship, would police worry about going against MBS?

Could it be that MBS actually wants a modern, Westernised society, but he's up against the people?

And no, by modern and Westernised, I don't mean democracy. I mean the ability to walk the streets without wearing a shroud.


MBS probably sees the writing on the wall. Saudi women are amongst the most educated in the Islamic world. They are also filthy rich. Attempting taliban-level oppression on such a population is obviously going to be problematic. Especially now with social media: Saudi women might be virtual prisoners in their own home, but no one can stop them seeing and communicating with the outside world online. And I hear internet quality in the kingdom is first class.

Clearly things are changing under MBS - where two factors seem to be at play: 1. MBS is smart and knows change is inevitable. 2. he craves western approval - the occassional chopping up of journalists in foreign embassies notwithstanding.

That said, while MBS accepts the need for liberalisation, he is very insistent that it be on his terms. He is ruthless about this - women who push too hard and don't play his game are systematically imprisoned, and in the most notorious cases, tortured (something previously unheard of in the Saudi penal system). Its still very possible that at some point MBS will be spooked out of reform and double down on persecution. This, regretably, seems more likely within the current climate of heightened geopolitical tensions with Iran, and the associated risk this poses regarding internal revolts. On the other hand, the latest escalations might jolt the Americans (and Europeans) to work harder towards mediating a solution - end the insane abandonment of the Iran nuclear deal, and negotating an end to the horrific war in Yemen. If things calm down in the region, perhaps then MBS can focus more efforts on internal reforms without feeling exposed.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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