Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print
Feminist Makes Sense Of Socialism (Read 639 times)
aquascoot
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 32825
Gender: male
Feminist Makes Sense Of Socialism
Sep 13th, 2019 at 12:51pm
 
We’ve had a lot of debate and soul searching on why many young Americans are so smitten with socialism, a system that has never produced prosperity and led to enormous human suffering.

Leave it to Camille Paglia to offer a refreshingly simple explanation for the popularity of socialism: ignorance. She tells Tunku Varadarajan in the Wall Street Journal:

“Everything is so easy now,” Ms. Paglia continues. “The stores are so plentifully supplied. You just go in and buy fruits and vegetables from all over the world.” Undergrads, who’ve studied neither economics nor history, “have a sense that this is the way life has always been. Because they’ve never been exposed to history, they have no idea that these are recent attainments that come from a very specific economic system.”

Capitalism, she continues, has “produced this cornucopia around us. But the young seem to believe in having the government run everything, and that the private companies that are doing things for profit around them, and supplying them with goods, will somehow exist forever.”

Ms. Paglia asks me to note that it was “because of capitalism” that her forebears “escaped the crushing poverty of rural Italy,” emigrating to Endicott, N.Y., to “work in the Endicott-Johnson shoe factories, whose vast buildings, tanning pools and smokestacks dominated my childhood.”

Paglia ties capitalism to the freedom women experience today (though she does go in for moderate regulation of capitalism):

"While I believe that boom-and-bust capitalism is inherently Darwinian and requires moderate regulation for the long-term greater good," she says, "I insist that capitalism has produced the glorious emancipation of women." They can now "support themselves and live on their own, and no longer must humiliatingly depend on father or husband."

Paglia, who has spoken at IWF events, came under attack at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia, where she has taught since 1984, for critical remarks about aspects of the MeToo movement. Fortunately, the University of the Arts had a president who stood up for academic freedom, and Ms. Paglia remains a member of the faculty there. Hers is a voice we would not like to have silenced.

In the wide-ranging interview with Varadarajan, she let it rip (as she generally does). It is well worth a read.

Here she is on victim feminism: 

Ms. Paglia laments that the “antisex and repressively doctrinaire side of feminism is back again—big!” She calls it “victim feminism” and complains that “everything we’d won in the 1990s has been totally swept away. Now we have this endless privileging of victimhood, with a pathological vulnerability seen as the default human mode.” Everyone is made to cater to it—“in the workplace, in universities, in the demand for safe spaces.”

As a teacher of undergraduates, Ms. Paglia despairs at how “bad it is for young people, filled with fears, to be raised in this kind of a climate where personal responsibility isn’t spoken of.” Since her own youth, she says, college students have devolved from rebels into skittish supplicants, petitioning people in authority to protect them from real life. Young adults are encouraged to look for “substitute parent figures on campus, which is what my generation rebelled against in college. We threw that whole ‘in loco parentis’ thing out.”


http://www.iwf.org/blog/2810517/Camille-Paglia-On-Why-So-Many-Young-Americans-He...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 80211
Proud pre-1850's NO Voter
Gender: male
Re: Feminist Makes Sense Of Socialism
Reply #1 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 2:43pm
 
That'd be a change - feminism lives in a pure atmosphere of socialism... and can only survive in that atmosphere...

Bizarre that she criticises 'undergraduates' when her entire existence as a feminist relies totally on the same developed society..... without it there'd be no feminism... no affirmative action ... no extra this and that.. no contraceptive pills...

How the worm begins to turn... now all that is needed is for someone to shine the light of simple reality on these 'feminists' ...

Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
tickleandrose
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3867
Gender: female
Re: Feminist Makes Sense Of Socialism
Reply #2 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 3:07pm
 
An interesting read, but I couldnt help but to point out some glaring contradiction in her article. 

Quote:
Ms. Paglia asks me to note that it was “because of capitalism” that her forebears “escaped the crushing poverty of rural Italy,” emigrating to Endicott, N.Y., to “work in the Endicott-Johnson shoe factories, whose vast buildings, tanning pools and smokestacks dominated my childhood.”


Ms Paglia herself was born in New York in the 1940s, her mother came to USA at the age of 5, and her father migrated early as well.  Italy at that time, was undergoing rapid transition and industrialisation.  It entered into a period of economic crisis, which then lead to the rise of a fascist dictatorship in 1922.  Fascism - in this case, classic italian fascism calls for a form of government that is absolutely against socialism - which at the time was Maxist Socialism, and as well as capitalism. 

It is hardly socialism that her parents was escaping from.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
aquascoot
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 32825
Gender: male
Re: Feminist Makes Sense Of Socialism
Reply #3 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 6:29pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 3:07pm:
An interesting read, but I couldnt help but to point out some glaring contradiction in her article. 

Quote:
Ms. Paglia asks me to note that it was “because of capitalism” that her forebears “escaped the crushing poverty of rural Italy,” emigrating to Endicott, N.Y., to “work in the Endicott-Johnson shoe factories, whose vast buildings, tanning pools and smokestacks dominated my childhood.”


Ms Paglia herself was born in New York in the 1940s, her mother came to USA at the age of 5, and her father migrated early as well.  Italy at that time, was undergoing rapid transition and industrialisation.  It entered into a period of economic crisis, which then lead to the rise of a fascist dictatorship in 1922.  Fascism - in this case, classic italian fascism calls for a form of government that is absolutely against socialism - which at the time was Maxist Socialism, and as well as capitalism. 

It is hardly socialism that her parents was escaping from. 


fair point tickle.

both marxism and facism try to subjugate the individual to the collective. to the authoritarian doctrine.to the ideology

what capitalism recognises is the primacy of the individual.
hence the success of the west
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 28041
Gender: male
Re: Feminist Makes Sense Of Socialism
Reply #4 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 6:41pm
 
No it would seem they were escaping Benito Mussolini fascist dictatorship.

All in extreme right wing vs socialism.

Joseph Stalin beat Hitler & Mussolini being responsible for an estimated 15 million plus deaths of Russians, Ukrainians & people from neighboring countries.

Mao Zedong killed even more of his own ... over 20 million.

Back to top
 

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais
 
IP Logged
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 80211
Proud pre-1850's NO Voter
Gender: male
Re: Feminist Makes Sense Of Socialism
Reply #5 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 7:42pm
 
Terrorism 101 - governments kill more of their own people than terrorists ever will..
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Jasin
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 46487
Gender: male
Re: Feminist Makes Sense Of Socialism
Reply #6 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 8:01pm
 
North America: Capitalism

Oceania: Socialism (vote for the Cocktail Party Wink)

Sahul (Australia): Egalitarianism

South America: Totalitarianism


...as you can see, its just the Oceanic Socialists in the USA.  Wink
Back to top
 

AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
IP Logged
 
Frank
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 40524
Gender: male
Re: Feminist Makes Sense Of Socialism
Reply #7 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 8:26pm
 
Hear The Lamentations Of Unstable Leftist Women


Or, The Orange Man Wrecked My Marriage:

By now it’s a truism to point out that the election of Donald Trump… [has] prompted a wholesale realignment of American politics. But it’s also sent shock waves through heterosexual romance.

In the piously left-leaning New York magazine, Molly Langmuir invites us to sympathise with the inner turmoil of activist ladies who are blaming their unhappy marriages, their divorces and estrangements, and pretty much everything, on the continued existence of Donald Trump. There’s quite a bit of mental jungle to hack through, so bring a packed lunch:

29 percent of respondents to a May 2017 survey said their romantic relationship had been negatively affected by Trump’s presidency. And even people ostensibly on the same side of the issues as their partner have run into challenges, with the climate exacerbating or revealing new fault lines.

Ms Langmuir introduces us to several pseudonymous couples and singletons – people for whom the merest deviation in thought has proved too much to bear. First up, we meet Kirsten:

Growing up, my parents were very liberal. My dad’s gay, he’s been with his husband now for over 40 years. That was my normal. My mom remarried a guy who’s very liberal.

Okay, then.

In high school, I also had a major drinking problem,

No. Don’t. We mustn’t rush to judge.







And on it goes. They are ludicrous.
Back to top
 

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.
 
IP Logged
 
Setanta
Gold Member
*****
Offline


\/ Peace man!

Posts: 15914
Northern NSW
Gender: male
Re: Feminist Makes Sense Of Socialism
Reply #8 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 8:38pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
Hear The Lamentations Of Unstable Leftist Women


Or, The Orange Man Wrecked My Marriage:

By now it’s a truism to point out that the election of Donald Trump… [has] prompted a wholesale realignment of American politics. But it’s also sent shock waves through heterosexual romance.

In the piously left-leaning New York magazine, Molly Langmuir invites us to sympathise with the inner turmoil of activist ladies who are blaming their unhappy marriages, their divorces and estrangements, and pretty much everything, on the continued existence of Donald Trump. There’s quite a bit of mental jungle to hack through, so bring a packed lunch:

29 percent of respondents to a May 2017 survey said their romantic relationship had been negatively affected by Trump’s presidency. And even people ostensibly on the same side of the issues as their partner have run into challenges, with the climate exacerbating or revealing new fault lines.

Ms Langmuir introduces us to several pseudonymous couples and singletons – people for whom the merest deviation in thought has proved too much to bear. First up, we meet Kirsten:

Growing up, my parents were very liberal. My dad’s gay, he’s been with his husband now for over 40 years. That was my normal. My mom remarried a guy who’s very liberal.

Okay, then.

In high school, I also had a major drinking problem,

No. Don’t. We mustn’t rush to judge.







And on it goes. They are ludicrous.


The orange men are not sane.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Order
Éire saor in aisce
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
AiA
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 18405
Gender: male
Re: Feminist Makes Sense Of Socialism
Reply #9 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 9:05pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 12:51pm:
We’ve had a lot of debate and soul searching on why many young Americans are so smitten with socialism, a system that has never produced prosperity and led to enormous human suffering.




What has reduced prosperity in the USA is sky-high medical costs. After that comes the burden of student debt.
Back to top
 

“Jerry, just remember: It’s not a lie … if you believe it.” George Costanza
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Jasin
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 46487
Gender: male
Re: Feminist Makes Sense Of Socialism
Reply #10 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 9:10pm
 
AiA wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 9:05pm:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 12:51pm:
We’ve had a lot of debate and soul searching on why many young Americans are so smitten with socialism, a system that has never produced prosperity and led to enormous human suffering.




What has reduced prosperity in the USA is sky-high medical costs. After that comes the burden of student debt.


USA Medicine is like Australian Tourism.

USA Food: Cheap, low quality and lots of it.
Aust Food: Expensive, high quality and just a parsley on a big plate.

USA: Told to stay at home and hate the world (Patriotism).
Aust: Told to travel the world and hate home (Exiled like a Convict).
Back to top
 

AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
IP Logged
 
AiA
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 18405
Gender: male
Re: Feminist Makes Sense Of Socialism
Reply #11 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 9:12pm
 
Jasin wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 9:10pm:
AiA wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 9:05pm:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 12:51pm:
We’ve had a lot of debate and soul searching on why many young Americans are so smitten with socialism, a system that has never produced prosperity and led to enormous human suffering.




What has reduced prosperity in the USA is sky-high medical costs. After that comes the burden of student debt.


USA Medicine is like Australian Tourism.

USA Food: Cheap, low quality and lots of it.
Aust Food: Expensive, high quality and just a parsley on a big plate.

USA: Told to stay at home and hate the world (Patriotism).
Aust: Told to travel the world and hate home (Exiled like a Convict).



That is a horrible analogy. How is life in your van parked down by the river?
Back to top
 

“Jerry, just remember: It’s not a lie … if you believe it.” George Costanza
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Setanta
Gold Member
*****
Offline


\/ Peace man!

Posts: 15914
Northern NSW
Gender: male
Re: Feminist Makes Sense Of Socialism
Reply #12 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 9:26pm
 
AiA wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 9:12pm:
Jasin wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 9:10pm:
AiA wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 9:05pm:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 12:51pm:
We’ve had a lot of debate and soul searching on why many young Americans are so smitten with socialism, a system that has never produced prosperity and led to enormous human suffering.




What has reduced prosperity in the USA is sky-high medical costs. After that comes the burden of student debt.


USA Medicine is like Australian Tourism.

USA Food: Cheap, low quality and lots of it.
Aust Food: Expensive, high quality and just a parsley on a big plate.

USA: Told to stay at home and hate the world (Patriotism).
Aust: Told to travel the world and hate home (Exiled like a Convict).



That is a horrible analogy. How is life in your van parked down by the river?


Welcome to Jasin's world!  Grin
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Jasin
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 46487
Gender: male
Re: Feminist Makes Sense Of Socialism
Reply #13 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 9:36pm
 
Free as a Convict can be.  Wink
Back to top
 

AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
IP Logged
 
Setanta
Gold Member
*****
Offline


\/ Peace man!

Posts: 15914
Northern NSW
Gender: male
Re: Feminist Makes Sense Of Socialism
Reply #14 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 9:44pm
 
Jasin wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 9:36pm:
Free as a Convict can be.  Wink


My wife and I did that, travelled around, our car was our home.. I miss those days even though it was >30 years ago. Hard work then free and easy. I guess that's the closest I got to hippy life. She changed me. I was more of the touch my bike.... die.. kind back then. She is my graphite rod.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print