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September 11 2001 - where did the time go?
Sep 11th, 2019 at 1:59pm
 
18 years ago (Tomorrow our time)

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Reply #2 - Sep 11th, 2019 at 3:03pm
 
Charles Manson did 9/11 using demonic telepathic powers.
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Reply #3 - Sep 11th, 2019 at 3:11pm
 
My daughter's 11th birthday that was... amazing, huh?  11 on the 9/11 ... and she was born exactly 50 years to the day after my uncle Frank was killed in 1940 ...

Something about that kid....
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Reply #4 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:30pm
 
I gave up caring after the first anniversary of the attacks.
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Reply #5 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:23pm
 


I was in my lounge room, watching an episode of, THE BILL, on the ABC....

...and it cut in to a live feed from NY after the first plane hit.



....after that, the world was never the same again.


It seems like it all happened only last week.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #6 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 12:49am
 
It took FD a good 6 years to come around after Sept 11. First, FD called for patience and tolerance. Look, he said, not all Muslims are the same. They deserve the right to practice their religion in peace. And why are we invading Iraq when Osama's lying low God knows where?

What do we stand for if not tolerance, freedom and at least getting our facts right before invading a sovereign country, killing thousands, and for what?

Yes, FD was a true promoter of democracy, freedom and Western Enlightenment values. He'd engage in erstwhile debates with Sprint, who'd do his usual monosyllabic grunts about hating and killing them.

No, FD would say, we can't have that. We stand for freedom.

Nonsense, Sprint would say, we stand for being Number One.

The old boy would jump in with a rant about apologists, taken from something he read in the Spectator, usually arguments made by the ex-luvvie, Christopher Hitchens.

But how can we abandon all our values just like that? FD would ask.

The old boy would come back with a strangely articulate argument. He wasn't bad back then, even if it was the essentially same post he does today.

Ban them, Sprint would say. No change there.

So where did the time go?

I'll tell you. One day, a Muslim convert calling himself Abu-Something joined in. He scoffed at FD's naive liberalism. The West, he'd say, started all this krap. We invaded and pillaged and left our dictators all over the Middle East and the world. We have no right to feign superiority. The West is mean and nasty and we should all respect the One God as taught by His prophet (p.b.u.h).

FD struggled a bit with that one, but amidst all the old boy rants, growing increasingly hysterical, and Sprint's two-word calls to arms, he heard Abu out, and like many of us, he didn't like what he heard.

Abu, you see, was a nasty piece of work, but he could run rings around you in terms of his historical knowledge. He had very compelling arguments. He had thoughtful translations. He'd put some effort into learning things about the world. But what about freedom? FD said.

Freedom is krap, Abu said.

And that one did it. FD started chasing Abu round riddling, then interrogating, him with questions. He built up the momentum, started the Wiki and finally chased Abu out.

That was that.

Today, FD has bought all Sprint's arguments and beliefs - ban them, kill them, the lot. He's even taken a bit from the old boy - the abuse mainly, but in FD-style, framed as a question. Are you a devious spineless apologist for Islam? A simple yes or no will suffice.

FD finally gave up on the freedom and democracy shtick. When G turned up, FD was already telling porkies, started as a tactic to outwit Abu, who FD was no match for. Abu just ignored him, riling FD up even more.

There's not much of the old FD left. Like St Paul, FD turned around, but in the opposite direction. FD is possibly the only person in the world to have shifted their opinion on the invasion of Iraq after it all turned to sht.

Still, I guess Sept 11 changed us all. None of us will ever be the same again.

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Re: September 11 2001 - where did the time go?
Reply #7 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 11:49am
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 12:49am:

It took FD a good 6 years to come around after Sept 11.

First, FD called for patience and tolerance.

Look, he said, not all Muslims are the same.

They deserve the right to practice their religion in peace.

And why are we invading Iraq when Osama's lying low God knows where?

What do we stand for if not tolerance, freedom and at least getting our facts right before invading a sovereign country, killing thousands, and for what?

Yes, FD was a true promoter of democracy, freedom and Western Enlightenment values.

He'd engage in erstwhile debates with Sprint, who'd do his usual monosyllabic grunts about hating and killing them.







This is a public forum, where anyone can present views and opinions and arguments, and evidences.
....about any currently topical issue.





SUGGESTION;
Present evidences, and arguments [in debate], and then choose what, for you, is truth and truthful.

[And that, imo, is what Freediver [and other visitors here] have done.]


n.b.
Freediver has NOT declared that some views must NOT be expressed on his forum.



What Freediver has said, in effect, is,
'Make your argument(s), and present your evidences,
....and the rest of us will judge what you say, and have said.'



And i for one, thank Freediver, for making this open, public forum available to us.




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ARGUMENT;
Moslems on this forum, have had every opportunity,             to present reasoned argument and evidence,
......to refute arguments, made against ISLAM and against the followers of ISLAM, and presented in this forum.

The very best, which moslems and their apologists on this forum have presented,    ....is 1/ denials [of arguments against ISLAM], and 2/ the vilification, of those who bring evidences, and arguments against ISLAM and the followers of ISLAM, in this forum.


FAIL !!!!




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RENEWED ARGUMENT;
ISLAM teaches ALL of its followers, that they must hate, and fight and kill disbelievers.

ISLAM teaches ALL of its followers, that that, is their religious obligation, to their deity, Allah.

Even, ALL of the followers of ISLAM living in Australia.

The fact that moslems living in Australia do not commit more violence against Australians who are not moslems,
speaks more to the impotence of moslems living in Australia, than to any benign indifference to the commands of Allah, to fight and kill disbelievers.


Any reasonable person who has examined, and read, ISLAM's primary foundational religious text [the Koran] would be forced to acknowledge, that the Koran is a religious text, which promotes hatred of ALL non-moslems - AS A RELIGIOUS PRECEPT.

Again, ISLAM, is a deceitful and murderous, supremacist death cult.




QUESTION      [to anyone];
If followers of ISLAM [moslems]      do not      ascribe and affirm, and agree with, the murderous and hateful precepts of ISLAM,
then why does every moslem, without exception,     choose      to publicly associate himself, and to associate his life, with ISLAM,      and with the ISLAMIC community [a community which promotes adherence to ISLAMIC laws and to ISLAMIC precepts] ?



ascribe = = (ascribe something to) attribute something to (a particular cause, person or period).    regard a quality as belonging to.

affirm = = state emphatically or publicly.     ratify (a judgement or agreement).   make a formal declaration rather than taking an oath.




Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1566168036/18#18



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Yadda wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 5:45pm:

Every moslem, every moslem, every moslem,     ...is urged by the doctrines of his/her religion,

...to hate and to murder 'disbelievers' in the name of their religion.


THAT, is what the JIHAD is.



And choosing to deny that truth,     ...won't make it untrue.


WWW search....
al Walaa wal Baraa






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ARGUMENT;
There won't be a solution [in Australia] to Jihad, until all Australians are willing to accept,
that which is true about ISLAM, and about the followers of ISLAM
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i.e.
1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people**, who reject ISLAM, and the primacy of ISLAMIC law.
....** just as soon as the moslem believes that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.




A solution ?


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QUARANTINE WORKS!!

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/34#34


and....
The argument for administrative detention, for all 'Aussie' followers of ISLAM

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/0#0




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: September 11 2001 - where did the time go?
Reply #8 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 12:46am
 
The United States does not attack Iraq and Afghanistan in response to a terror attack. That is just coincidental. The perpetrators all died in the plane crashes. There was no second wave of attackers. Bush and his administrators had oil acquisitions to make, at taxpayer expense. Do you really think that they would hold off increasing their retirement wealth, just on the occasion that a terrorist attack did not happen?
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Reply #9 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 6:40am
 
Follow the money trail.
Oh...and the clairvoyant Israelis filming the event were just "lucky".



You yanks were conned.

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