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Reply #75 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 7:58pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 7:10pm:
Dairy farmers make enough money to keep enough dairy farms running to provide milk for the nation, plus a fair bit more to export solids.

The numbers of farms is steadily decreasing, while the size of each farm is going up.

Who you attribute the export to is meaningless. It is still produced on a dairy farm by a dairy farmer who is getting paid enough to keep him in business.


57 cents a litre in QLD & less elsewhere? 

you are deluded. There production overheads are currently more than that.

That's why they are leaving the industry.

Oh & btw those farms going up in size are also going under.

DAIRY FARMERS DON'T EXPORT THE SOLIDS.

They get a small farm gate price for what they produce ..... milk or cream - end of.
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Reply #76 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 9:07pm
 
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Reply #77 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 9:12pm
 
Gnads wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 7:58pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 7:10pm:
Dairy farmers make enough money to keep enough dairy farms running to provide milk for the nation, plus a fair bit more to export solids.

The numbers of farms is steadily decreasing, while the size of each farm is going up.

Who you attribute the export to is meaningless. It is still produced on a dairy farm by a dairy farmer who is getting paid enough to keep him in business.


57 cents a litre in QLD & less elsewhere? 

you are deluded. There production overheads are currently more than that.

That's why they are leaving the industry.

Oh & btw those farms going up in size are also going under.

DAIRY FARMERS DON'T EXPORT THE SOLIDS.

They get a small farm gate price for what they produce ..... milk or cream - end of.


Well done. Farmers grow things. They don't steer ships.

What other brilliant insights can you offer us?

Australian milk production has roughly doubled since 1980.
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Reply #78 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 9:20pm
 
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Reply #79 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:19pm
 
Gnads wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 6:40pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 10th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 9th, 2019 at 10:47am:
It nearly costs the farmer $1 a litre to produce & in QLD they are getting 57 cents farm gate price.


Speaking of people who don't have a clue, you should understand that only 3 months ago they were selling milk for $1/L at the groceries. The problem for farmers was that the costs associated with the milk production was not being met. They could scrap by on making a profit that barely got them through the week. Adding 10c/L to the cost of the milk (which was added on to what the dairy farmer received) was a real boost to the dary farmers.

If it cost the farmer $1 a litre to produce milk, the farmer would have gone on to doing something more profitable.



I don't believe you wrote that crap.

Supermarkets selling watered down shyte $1 milk is the problem ... durrrrh


Oh yes, "watered down milk". That I can believe. Atleast we can agree there. But, even watered down milk selling for $1/L (up until recently) would not be sold so cheaply if it costs the farmers $1/L to produce. Do you not understand how you undermine your own argument?

Farmer A selling milk at $0.57c/L, even though it (allegedly) costs him $1/L to produce. Even if he had other sources of income (which he most likely certainly does), he would probably give up an industry that leads him to a loss, after a while.

Middleman B produces the watered down version of the milk and that gets transferred with all the costs to the supermarket where they (were) sold for $1/L. That $0.57/L milk now has a value of perhaps $0.50/L. But all the costs get factored in to where the supermarkets are selling the product at $1/L.... but making $0.20/L profit at best (???) [If anyone working in supermarkets wants to divulge the profit margin of milk to clear up the misconception].

http://www.agriculture.gov.au/abares/research-topics/agricultural-commodities/ju...

Quote:
The 2019–20 farmgate milk price is expected to be 47.6 cents per litre, revised upwards since Agricultural commodities: March quarter 2019. This is driven by a weaker Australian dollar and strong demand in dairy commodity export markets. The 2018–19 price has also been revised higher to 47.5 cents per litre.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2013-04-22/milk-wars/4639078

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Deregulation of the industry
Prior to 2000 the price for drinking milk was set by state and federal governments - since then many farmers chose to leave the industry with exit grants, others took compensation through taxpayer funded 'adjustment programs' and continued milking. The effect on the milk price was quite startling - in some cases it fell from as much as $1 per litre returned to farmers to around 15 cents per litre.


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Reply #80 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:23pm
 
Milk is watered down. The vats are tested for their fat content and "equalised" to what you see on the bottle. Real milk is so much better. Rich, and creamy. If you haven't had milk straight from the udder, you are missing out.
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Reply #81 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 8:55am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 9:12pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 7:58pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 7:10pm:
Dairy farmers make enough money to keep enough dairy farms running to provide milk for the nation, plus a fair bit more to export solids.

The numbers of farms is steadily decreasing, while the size of each farm is going up.

Who you attribute the export to is meaningless. It is still produced on a dairy farm by a dairy farmer who is getting paid enough to keep him in business.


57 cents a litre in QLD & less elsewhere? 

you are deluded. There production overheads are currently more than that.

That's why they are leaving the industry.

Oh & btw those farms going up in size are also going under.

DAIRY FARMERS DON'T EXPORT THE SOLIDS.

They get a small farm gate price for what they produce ..... milk or cream - end of.


Well done. Farmers grow things. They don't steer ships.

What other brilliant insights can you offer us?

Australian milk production has roughly doubled since 1980.


Another bout of deflection I see?

You crap on about the revenue from dairy exports as if the farmers get a share of that processed product profit.

They don't.

As for the increase in dairy production  since 1980 it's irrelevant unless the farmers are getting increased farm gate prices.

All you have done is tell the story of the 2 Irishmen selling watermelons out of a truck beside the road.

They bought the melons for a dollar & sold them for a dollar.

Buy the end of the day one says to the other - "we're not making any money - what are we gonna do?".

The other replies - "we'll have to get a bigger truck".

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

If you get 44 to 57 cents a litre for milk that costs you 85 to 90 cents to produce ......

increasing your herd & milking more cows isn't going to help is it?

Aren't farmers entitled to make some profit to survive?

No wonder you buy shares in dodgy operations.
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Reply #82 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 9:18am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:19pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 6:40pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 10th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 9th, 2019 at 10:47am:
It nearly costs the farmer $1 a litre to produce & in QLD they are getting 57 cents farm gate price.


Speaking of people who don't have a clue, you should understand that only 3 months ago they were selling milk for $1/L at the groceries. The problem for farmers was that the costs associated with the milk production was not being met. They could scrap by on making a profit that barely got them through the week. Adding 10c/L to the cost of the milk (which was added on to what the dairy farmer received) was a real boost to the dary farmers.

If it cost the farmer $1 a litre to produce milk, the farmer would have gone on to doing something more profitable.



I don't believe you wrote that crap.

Supermarkets selling watered down shyte $1 milk is the problem ... durrrrh


Oh yes, "watered down milk". That I can believe. Atleast we can agree there. But, even watered down milk selling for $1/L (up until recently) would not be sold so cheaply if it costs the farmers $1/L to produce. Do you not understand how you undermine your own argument?

Farmer A selling milk at $0.57c/L, even though it (allegedly) costs him $1/L to produce. Even if he had other sources of income (which he most likely certainly does), he would probably give up an industry that leads him to a loss, after a while.

Middleman B produces the watered down version of the milk and that gets transferred with all the costs to the supermarket where they (were) sold for $1/L. That $0.57/L milk now has a value of perhaps $0.50/L. But all the costs get factored in to where the supermarkets are selling the product at $1/L.... but making $0.20/L profit at best (???) [If anyone working in supermarkets wants to divulge the profit margin of milk to clear up the misconception].

http://www.agriculture.gov.au/abares/research-topics/agricultural-commodities/ju...

Quote:
The 2019–20 farmgate milk price is expected to be 47.6 cents per litre, revised upwards since Agricultural commodities: March quarter 2019. This is driven by a weaker Australian dollar and strong demand in dairy commodity export markets. The 2018–19 price has also been revised higher to 47.5 cents per litre.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2013-04-22/milk-wars/4639078

Quote:
Deregulation of the industry
Prior to 2000 the price for drinking milk was set by state and federal governments - since then many farmers chose to leave the industry with exit grants, others took compensation through taxpayer funded 'adjustment programs' and continued milking. The effect on the milk price was quite startling - in some cases it fell from as much as $1 per litre returned to farmers to around 15 cents per litre.




So how much out of that $1 ltr milk do you think farmers get?

They have increased costs to produce that litre but cannot say to suppliers I have to increase my farm gate price to cover it.

Yet the suppliers & Woolies get to increase their prices to cover costs.

Woolies & Coles etc. dictate what they are prepared to pay so screw suppliers who in turn do the same to the farmers.

They also get to spread their litre further by watering it down ....... as they were doing with "permeate" before they were sprung.

All your "thin/skinny low fat milks" are virtually white water that you pay extra for.

Publicans get prosecuted for watering down their beer or selling light as heavy beer .... as would servos selling 91 octane as 98 octane.

The supermarkets started charging an extra 10 cents for their cheap milk saying it was going to go to the farmer ... farmers haven't seen a cent.

The farmers need to see that 10 cent increase in their farm gate price ...... now

otherwise the supermarkets are being fraudulent in increasing the price.

And of the few dairy farmers I knew who left the industry after deregulation (thanks Victoria) none of them were compensated out ... they walked away instead of going broke.

I never ever heard of any of them getting $1 a litre for their milk.

And cream always paid a higher premium than milk but it didn't reach that height.

When state govts. controlled the prices prior to deregulation dairy farming was profitable.

I don't think you understand anything about the issue.
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Reply #83 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 9:21am
 
Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
Milk is watered down. The vats are tested for their fat content and "equalised" to what you see on the bottle. Real milk is so much better. Rich, and creamy. If you haven't had milk straight from the udder, you are missing out.


Exactly.
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Reply #84 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 9:24am
 
Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
Milk is watered down. The vats are tested for their fat content and "equalised" to what you see on the bottle. Real milk is so much better. Rich, and creamy. If you haven't had milk straight from the udder, you are missing out.


True.

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Reply #85 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 12:48pm
 
Bitty isn't watered down ...

Greg wants bitty?
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Reply #86 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 8:21pm
 
Gnads wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 12:48pm:
Bitty isn't watered down ...

Greg wants bitty?


You should post a vid for that for those that have never watched Little Britain.

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Reply #88 - Sep 15th, 2019 at 8:13am
 
Gnads wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 8:55am:
freediver wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 9:12pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 7:58pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 7:10pm:
Dairy farmers make enough money to keep enough dairy farms running to provide milk for the nation, plus a fair bit more to export solids.

The numbers of farms is steadily decreasing, while the size of each farm is going up.

Who you attribute the export to is meaningless. It is still produced on a dairy farm by a dairy farmer who is getting paid enough to keep him in business.


57 cents a litre in QLD & less elsewhere? 

you are deluded. There production overheads are currently more than that.

That's why they are leaving the industry.

Oh & btw those farms going up in size are also going under.

DAIRY FARMERS DON'T EXPORT THE SOLIDS.

They get a small farm gate price for what they produce ..... milk or cream - end of.


Well done. Farmers grow things. They don't steer ships.

What other brilliant insights can you offer us?

Australian milk production has roughly doubled since 1980.


Another bout of deflection I see?

You crap on about the revenue from dairy exports as if the farmers get a share of that processed product profit.

They don't.

As for the increase in dairy production  since 1980 it's irrelevant unless the farmers are getting increased farm gate prices.

All you have done is tell the story of the 2 Irishmen selling watermelons out of a truck beside the road.

They bought the melons for a dollar & sold them for a dollar.

Buy the end of the day one says to the other - "we're not making any money - what are we gonna do?".

The other replies - "we'll have to get a bigger truck".

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

If you get 44 to 57 cents a litre for milk that costs you 85 to 90 cents to produce ......

increasing your herd & milking more cows isn't going to help is it?

Aren't farmers entitled to make some profit to survive?

No wonder you buy shares in dodgy operations.


No-one is "entitled" to make a profit. It's sink or swim. You could always move to North Korea if you'd rather get what you are entitled to.
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Reply #89 - Sep 15th, 2019 at 10:35am
 
It seems some think they are entitled to make a profit by any means possible.... especially when it's at someone elses expense.

The Royal Commission into Banking was a good example ....

The GFC was another.

Your response to what should be a fair go .. is telling.
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