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Reply #15 - Sep 2nd, 2019 at 8:56pm
 
Obviously, (1) Global Warming.

More energy in the system, more activity in the weather.

It's not rocket science.

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Re: Hurricane Dorian
Reply #16 - Sep 2nd, 2019 at 8:57pm
 
Jasin wrote on Sep 2nd, 2019 at 8:47pm:
Shut up Peckerhead and nick off.
You have nothing to add constructively. We don't need your Trump comments here you OCD. Go back to you TV land.


Okay, so what's with people calling hurricanes 'hurricuns' now?

When did that start, and why?

And, will the next hurricane be called Hurricane Phrygian?
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Reply #17 - Sep 2nd, 2019 at 9:00pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 2nd, 2019 at 8:56pm:
Obviously, (1) Global Warming.

More energy in the system, more activity in the weather.

It's not rocket science.




Forbes agrees with you:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lauratenenbaum/2019/09/01/global-warming-causes-mor...


As Hurricane Dorian churns its way through the Atlantic, we need to recognize that climate change can make any hurricane more intense and Category 5 hurricanes more likely.

Burning fossil fuels such as coal, oil and natural gas, release carbon dioxide and methane into Earth’s atmosphere. These gases trap heat, which means that globally, both air temperatures as well as water temperatures have increased and are continuing to increase.

Warmer air leads to more evaporation, which in turn leads to more precipitation. Then the warmer water provides more fuel for the hurricanes. Water has very high heat capacity, which means it’s very good at absorbing heat. The average temperature of the tropical North Atlantic Ocean has risen more than 1° Fahrenheit since the 1970s. And some buoys east of Hatteras have recorded increases in temperature of up to 3°, from 83° to 86° Fahrenheit over the last 40 years.

Think about how much energy and time it takes just to boil a single pot of water. Now think about increasing the temperature of the entire ocean. This is a big deal.

There have been five Category 5 Atlantic hurricanes, Mathew (2016), Irma and Maria (2017), Michael (2018) and Dorian (2019) in the past four years. And these types of storms are projected to happen more often. Meanwhile, the preponderance of evidence points to humans as the cause of global climate change.

People are busy taking cover now, but ultimately we must act more broadly and more proactively for the long term.
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Reply #18 - Sep 2nd, 2019 at 9:02pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 2nd, 2019 at 8:52pm:
Now, what was it the climate scientists told us all?

Oh yeah .... more extreme weather events more often.

Well, what d'ya know?



You mean the IPCC is telling lies? Shocked Shocked


"Floods

"There was low confidence due to limited evidence, however, that anthropogenic climate change has affected the frequency and magnitude of floods. WGII AR5 also concluded that there is no evidence that surface water and groundwater drought
frequency has changed over the last few decades, although impacts of drought have increased mostly owing to increased water demand (Jiménez Cisneros et al., 2014)"

Drought

"The IPCC AR5 assessed that there was low confidence in the sign of drought trends since 1950 at the global scale, but that there was high confidence in observed trends in some regions of the world, including drought increases in the Mediterranean and West Africa and drought decreases in central North America and northwest Australia (Hartmann et al., 2013; Stocker et al., 2013). AR5 assessed that there was low confidence in the attribution of global changes in droughts and did not provide assessments for the attribution of regional changes in droughts (Bindoff et al., 2013a).

The recent literature does not suggest that the SREX and AR5 assessment of drought trends should be revised, except in the Mediterranean region. "

Cyclones

"Numerous studies leading up to and after AR5 have reported a decreasing trend in the global number of tropical cyclones and/or the globally accumulated cyclonic energy (Emanuel, 2005; Elsner et al., 2008; Knutson et al., 2010; Holland and Bruyère, 2014; Klotzbach and Landsea, 2015; Walsh et al., 2016). A theoretical physical basis for such a decrease to occur under global warming was recently provided by Kang and Elsner (2015). However, using a relatively short (20 year) and relatively homogeneous remotely sensed record, Klotzbach (2006) reported no significant trends in global cyclonic activity, consistent with more recent findings of Holland and Bruyère (2014). Such contradictions, in combination with the fact that the almost fourdecade-long period of remotely sensed observations remains relatively short to distinguish anthropogenically induced trends from decadal and multi-decadal variability, implies that there is only low confidencev regarding changes in global tropical cyclone numbers under global warming over the last four decades."

Precipitation

"Observed global changes in the water cycle, including precipitation, are more uncertain than observed changes in temperature (Hartmann et al., 2013; Stocker et al., 2013). There is high confidence that mean precipitation over the mid-latitude land areas of the Northern Hemisphere has increased since 1951 (Hartmann et al., 2013). For other latitudinal zones, area-averaged long-term positive or negative trends have low confidence because of poor data quality, incomplete data or disagreement amongst available estimates (Hartmann et al., 2013). There is, in particular, low confidence regarding observed trends in precipitation in monsoon regions, according to the SREX report (Seneviratne et al., 2012) and AR5 (Hartmann et al., 2013), as well as more recent publications (Singh et al., 2014; Taylor et al., 2017; Bichet and Diedhiou, 2018; see Supplementary Material 3.SM.2)."

https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/chapter/chapter-3/

Then of course bushfires (wildfires) -

"Fire is an essential Earth system process that alters ecosystem and atmospheric composition. Here we assessed long-term fire trends using multiple satellite data sets. We found that global burned area declined by 24.3 ± 8.8% over the past 18 years. The estimated decrease in burned area remained robust after adjusting for precipitation variability and was largest in savannas. Agricultural expansion and intensification were primary drivers of declining fire activity. Fewer and smaller fires reduced aerosol concentrations, modified vegetation structure, and increased the magnitude of the terrestrial carbon sink. Fire models were unable to reproduce the pattern and magnitude of observed declines, suggesting that they may overestimate fire emissions in future projections. Using economic and demographic variables, we developed a conceptual model for predicting fire in human-dominated landscapes."

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6345/1356

Tropical Hurricanes

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Major Hurricanes

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Maybe they are looking at alternate extreme climates? Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #19 - Sep 2nd, 2019 at 9:03pm
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49541485



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The most powerful storm to hit the Bahamas since records began has torn off roofs and caused severe flooding.

The slow-moving, category five Dorian - the second-strongest Atlantic hurricane on record - is now packing sustained winds of up to 165mph (270km/h) and may cause a storm surge of up to 23ft (7m).

There is no official word on casualties but the Red Cross fears some 13,000 homes have been damaged or destroyed.

The hurricane is moving slowly west, with the eastern US coast at risk.

The US states of Florida, Georgia, North and South Carolina have all declared states of emergency.
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Reply #20 - Sep 2nd, 2019 at 9:07pm
 
Hurricanes, Floods, Droughts, Bushfires, Deforestations, Sewer Rivers, Rubbish Dump Oceans, Wars, Suicides, Pollution, Over-Population, Over-Indulgence, Colder, Hotter, Earthquakes and more.

All happened the moment Science (Satan) was born. Cheesy Grin
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Reply #21 - Sep 2nd, 2019 at 9:08pm
 
Jasin wrote on Sep 2nd, 2019 at 9:07pm:
Hurricanes, Floods, Droughts, Bushfires, Deforestations, Sewer Rivers, Rubbish Dump Oceans, Wars, Suicides, Pollution, Over-Population, Over-Indulgence, Colder, Hotter, Earthquakes and more.

All happened the moment Science (Satan) was born. Cheesy Grin



What more proof do you need of the End Times?
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Reply #22 - Sep 2nd, 2019 at 9:20pm
 
Lee and Bobby ...

Consider this:

When you apply heat to a pan of water (say to cook some pasta for example) ... does the water in the pan become more active, or less active with the application of heat?


Well?



Same with the planet.

More heat in the system, more activity.


It's not rocket science.
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Reply #23 - Sep 2nd, 2019 at 9:30pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 2nd, 2019 at 9:20pm:
Lee and Bobby ...

Consider this:

When you apply heat to a pan of water (say to cook some pasta for example) ... does the water in the pan become more active, or less active with the application of heat?


Well?



Same with the planet.

More heat in the system, more activity.


It's not rocket science.




I said that Forbes agrees with you.
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Reply #24 - Sep 2nd, 2019 at 9:31pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 2nd, 2019 at 9:30pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 2nd, 2019 at 9:20pm:
Lee and Bobby ...

Consider this:

When you apply heat to a pan of water (say to cook some pasta for example) ... does the water in the pan become more active, or less active with the application of heat?


Well?



Same with the planet.

More heat in the system, more activity.


It's not rocket science.




I said that Forbes agrees with you.



True bobby, you did.

But do you agree?
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Reply #25 - Sep 2nd, 2019 at 9:34pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 2nd, 2019 at 9:31pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 2nd, 2019 at 9:30pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 2nd, 2019 at 9:20pm:
Lee and Bobby ...

Consider this:

When you apply heat to a pan of water (say to cook some pasta for example) ... does the water in the pan become more active, or less active with the application of heat?


Well?



Same with the planet.

More heat in the system, more activity.


It's not rocket science.




I said that Forbes agrees with you.



True bobby, you did.

But do you agree?



I don't know for sure.
There have been many huge hurricanes in the past.
We haven't had one this big for a while.
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Reply #26 - Sep 2nd, 2019 at 10:13pm
 
"Recent research on tropical storms has linked climate change to more frequent and intense tropical storms that produce more rainfall."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/30/opinion/florida-hurricane.html

Of course this is modelled research on hurricanes. Must be future climate change not present climate change.

Another view with them categorised

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"“While United States landfalling hurricane frequency or intensity shows no significant trend since 1900, growth in coastal population and wealth have led to increasing hurricane-related damage along the United States coastline. Continental United States (CONUS) hurricane-related inflation-adjusted damage has increased significantly since 1900. However, since 1900 neither observed CONUS landfalling hurricane frequency nor intensity show significant trends, including the devastating 2017 season.

“Two large-scale climate modes that have been noted in prior research to significantly impact CONUS landfalling hurricane activity are El Niño-Southern Oscillation on interannual timescales and the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation on multi-decadal timescales. La Niña seasons tend to be characterized by more CONUS hurricane landfalls than do El Niño seasons, and positive Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation phases tend to have more CONUS hurricane landfalls than do negative phases.

“Growth in coastal population and regional wealth are the overwhelming drivers of observed increases in hurricane-related damage. As the population and wealth of the US has increased in coastal locations, it has invariably led to the growth in exposure and vulnerability of coastal property along the US Gulf and East Coasts. Unfortunately, the risks associated with more people and vulnerable exposure came to fruition in Texas and Florida during the 2017 season following the landfalls of hurricanes Harvey and Irma. Total economic damage from those two storms exceeded $125 billion.

“Growth in coastal population and exposure is likely to continue in the future, and when hurricane landfalls do occur, this will likely lead to greater damage costs than previously seen. Such a statement is made recognizing that the vast scope of damage from hurricanes often highlight the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of building codes, flood maps, infrastructure, and insurance in at-risk communities.” "

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/BAMS-D-17-0184.1

The difference between the hurricanes, population and population centres impacted.
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Reply #27 - Sep 2nd, 2019 at 10:20pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 2nd, 2019 at 9:20pm:
Lee and Bobby ...

Consider this:

When you apply heat to a pan of water (say to cook some pasta for example) ... does the water in the pan become more active, or less active with the application of heat?


Well?



Same with the planet.

More heat in the system, more activity.


It's not rocket science.


The earth is not a closed system like a pot of boiling water with a lid. Nor even an uncovered pot of boiling water in a closed room, or even house.

What you propose is not rocket science; it is simplistic.

BTW - Are you talking heat or energy?
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Reply #28 - Sep 2nd, 2019 at 11:10pm
 
The reason why hurricane strength is shown from about 1970 -

"The scale was developed in 1971 by civil engineer Herbert Saffir and meteorologist Robert Simpson, who at the time was director of the U.S. National Hurricane Center (NHC).[1] The scale was introduced to the general public in 1973,[2] and saw widespread use after Neil Frank replaced Simpson at the helm of the NHC in 1974"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir–Simpson_scale

And because the categories are set by range hey are not specific. Although these days they can be accurately tracked. Although thee still seems to be some problem of determining its landed speed.
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Reply #29 - Sep 3rd, 2019 at 9:24am
 
Latest news 3AW-

10,000 homes destroyed in the Caribbean.
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