polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2019 at 8:06am:


Aha, we have a suspicious, but still clueless, Muslim.

No.

Are you aware of any anti-slavery movements that arose in the middle east or North Africa without direct interference by non-Muslims, particularly Europeans and Americans?

freediver wrote on Dec 24^th, 2019 at 9:27am:


No.

Does abolishing slavery absolve them from the greatest mass slaughter the world has ever seen? Does it somehow make them 'on balance' morally better?

I'm not going to repeat my previous lengthy treatises on the ending of slavery and the pragmatic and economic considerations that motivated them (which I doubt you would even disagree with). The Europeans figured out that they could make money and steal the resources of those weaker than them more efficiently without slavery. Big deal. Its up for debate whether or not that led to more, less or the same amount of human suffering thereafter.

I still don't see any other point from you other than apologising for the greatest slaughter the world has ever seen - on the logic that its all cool because at the end of it, we got freeeeedom. Which apparently also involves asserting that the spread of deadly diseases by these very slaugterers while they went a raping and pillaging was somehow not their fault

How did we even get from denying European blame for spreading pandemics whiles they went raping and pillaging to the ending of slavery anyway?

And I am not confused by what you are saying FD. Every post on this subject is different ways of apologising for the greatest mass slaughter the world has ever seen. You are now engaging in strawman arguments to pretend that I am somehow quibbling over whether or not bigger scale = morally worse. I am not, nor have I ever done.

And in case you are still confused, this is what I am saying:
no one except you is downplaying, apologising or outright denying the responsibility for one particular group of people in spreading death and destruction because they decided to go a raping and pillaging - on a massive scale. No one except you continues with the absurd insisistence that people who invade, rape and pillage other nations are not morally responsible for the diseases they spread in the process - based on the ridiculous logic that they weren't aware they were carrying the diseases.

Like I've said before - every bit as idiotic as saying a man who rapes a woman and infects her with HIV during that rape - isn't to blame for infecting her so long as he wasn't aware he had HIV in the first place.

How did we even get from FD and the old boy's porkies to raping and pillaging and pretending to end slavery?

Thoughts?

The best thing that ever happened to the world was the whiteys' raping and a pillaging.

The paradigm of civilization was engendered by the whiteys' raping and a pillaging.

The muslim raping and a pillaging resulted in many backward inbred stupid poverty stricken people, who are living in what can only be described as the sewer of civilization.

The resulting muslim societies have produced world wide terrorism, incessant civil wars resulting in them murdering their own and other children by the hundreds of thousands, with hunger and trauma caused by their civil wars.

muslims are the worlds almost insurmountable refugee problem, millions of them displaced and living  in refugee camps, fleeing around the globe, demanding that the descendants of the white raping and a pillaging people care for them, they are a crime problem, they are brain washed by their *holy* qur'an to rape hate and kill the non muslims.

There are two groups of muslims:

The ones who take the *holy* qur'an at its' word then hate rape and kill the non believer and their version of the hypocrite corrupter muslim.

The other group lie snivel and sneak, slithering around telling us the qur'an doesn't really mean what it says, that the rapists haters and murderers, are actually *misinterpreting* it.

The lunatic leftards are siding with the muslims, they will not be honest and call islam out for what it is.

islam is the reinvented pagan moon god cult of Arabia.

Muhammad decided to promote allah as the monotheistic god of the Jews and Christians, he purposely twisted his plagiarizing of the Judaeo-Christian doctrine, in order to advance allah as a new monotheistic god of hate, rape, torture, and mass murder.

This reinvented god allah has preferred followers, the new god allah loves the suicide jihadists over all other believers, the jihadists are promised wealth, land, sex slaves and abundant booty, this promise is enhanced, to guarantee that any jihadist who actually gets killed in his raping and a pilling, automatically enters paradise overflowing with hour'is with big tits and little boys scattered like pearls.

So where is the world as we enter 2020?

The fruits of the whitey raping and a pillaging parts of the world is now jealously sought by the fruits of muslim raping and a pillaging.

Consequently we enter 2020, under the threat of a massive world war, as the lunatic left, communist China / Russsia, enter into a pact with the blood crazed muslims.

They have a common goal destroy Israel and the west.

They are aided and abetted by the useful idiots of the west, who are working tirelessly to bring us down from within.

The porky of all porkies would have to be any deceit which denigrates the west and extols the virtue of the muslim communist duo.

did someone claim that only blacks were slaves?

freediver wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2020 at 2:35pm:


Change of subject first brought up by FD - twice - before I said anything about it:

here and here

Is it fair to say it was actually your feeble attempt to change the subject? I was after all the last person to actually make an on-topic post before you decided to respond only to the 'white flu' tangent:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1567134066/571#571