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Aug 28th, 2019 at 4:15pm
 
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/sydney-mum-in-court-over-alleged-ndis...

We will all get Rolexes when we hit the million.”

This is one of the boastful texts allegedly sent between a Sydney mother and her boyfriend who were allegedly part of a family crime ring defrauding millions of dollars from the National Disability Insurance Scheme.

Alan Rifai: accused of NDIS fraud.
Alan Rifai: accused of NDIS fraud.
Amal Hilmi cried as a Supreme Court judge denied her bail this week, saying her “blatant and deliberate” alleged fleecing of the federal government while pregnant meant she’s likely to be convicted and spend a significant time behind bars.

The 35-year-old was charged in May alongside her partner Alan Rifai, her two younger brothers and another woman with making fake claims from more than 70 disabled Australians who lost access to the money for legitimate health needs.



The accused allegedly set up three NDIS providers in western Sydney to claim subsidies from over-inflated invoices which they then splurged on high-end sports cars, property in Indonesia and luxury watches, the court heard.

Justice Peter Garling said at one point Hilmi and her lover allegedly made promises to hand out Rolex watches as a reward for cheating the NDIS of $1 million and claiming: “it will take about a month.”

In another Whatsapp message exchange, when Hilmi allegedly told her lover she’d rorted more than $59,000, Rifai replied: “good girl, so which car you want?”

The court heard the next day $83,000 was allegedly spent on a Porsche Cayenne, which was seized by police in May alongside an Audi A3 and a Mercedes E6.

During those Liverpool and Lurnea raids Alhassane Hilmi, his older brother Mostafa Hilmi, and his girlfriend Michelle Ross were also arrested alongside the couple, and their matters were all heard at Central Local Court on Wednesday.

At Hilmi’s bail decision on Tuesday, Justice Garling said the small cash offered as her surety may even be from funds swindled from the commonwealth.

Defence solicitor Simon Joyner said Hilmi has no criminal history and isn’t due to face trial until late 2020, meaning she could stay in custody at Emu Plains jail for up to 18 months.

Being away from her infant son — who has a congenital disorder — for that long would cause the mum considerable distress, he said.

But the judge said the prosecution’s 23-folder brief of evidence is “an overwhelming one”.

Justice Garling added that Hilmi was still breastfeeding while carrying out the scam, meaning unless she irrationally thought she’d never be caught “it must have been obvious to the applicant there would come a time when her crimes were identified that she would be separated from her son.”

The Australian Federal Police have frozen Hilmi’s access to the lavish cars as well as properties in Goulburn, Heckenberg and Broadmeadows in Victoria, the court heard.

But Justice Garling flagged Hilmi as an unacceptable flight risk, noting her bank accounts and the land in Lombok haven’t been restrained.

The defence offered for Hilmi to be placed on effective house arrest with an internet use ban, but the judge said the risk of her committing more fraud with the help of other people was too great.



how low will people go...

20 years each and everyone of them
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Reply #1 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 4:33pm
 
cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 4:15pm:
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/sydney-mum-in-court-over-alleged-ndis...

We will all get Rolexes when we hit the million.”

This is one of the boastful texts allegedly sent between a Sydney mother and her boyfriend who were allegedly part of a family crime ring defrauding millions of dollars from the National Disability Insurance Scheme.

Alan Rifai: accused of NDIS fraud.
Alan Rifai: accused of NDIS fraud.
Amal Hilmi cried as a Supreme Court judge denied her bail this week, saying her “blatant and deliberate” alleged fleecing of the federal government while pregnant meant she’s likely to be convicted and spend a significant time behind bars.

The 35-year-old was charged in May alongside her partner Alan Rifai, her two younger brothers and another woman with making fake claims from more than 70 disabled Australians who lost access to the money for legitimate health needs.



The accused allegedly set up three NDIS providers in western Sydney to claim subsidies from over-inflated invoices which they then splurged on high-end sports cars, property in Indonesia and luxury watches, the court heard.

Justice Peter Garling said at one point Hilmi and her lover allegedly made promises to hand out Rolex watches as a reward for cheating the NDIS of $1 million and claiming: “it will take about a month.”

In another Whatsapp message exchange, when Hilmi allegedly told her lover she’d rorted more than $59,000, Rifai replied: “good girl, so which car you want?”

The court heard the next day $83,000 was allegedly spent on a Porsche Cayenne, which was seized by police in May alongside an Audi A3 and a Mercedes E6.

During those Liverpool and Lurnea raids Alhassane Hilmi, his older brother Mostafa Hilmi, and his girlfriend Michelle Ross were also arrested alongside the couple, and their matters were all heard at Central Local Court on Wednesday.

At Hilmi’s bail decision on Tuesday, Justice Garling said the small cash offered as her surety may even be from funds swindled from the commonwealth.

Defence solicitor Simon Joyner said Hilmi has no criminal history and isn’t due to face trial until late 2020, meaning she could stay in custody at Emu Plains jail for up to 18 months.

Being away from her infant son — who has a congenital disorder — for that long would cause the mum considerable distress, he said.

But the judge said the prosecution’s 23-folder brief of evidence is “an overwhelming one”.

Justice Garling added that Hilmi was still breastfeeding while carrying out the scam, meaning unless she irrationally thought she’d never be caught “it must have been obvious to the applicant there would come a time when her crimes were identified that she would be separated from her son.”

The Australian Federal Police have frozen Hilmi’s access to the lavish cars as well as properties in Goulburn, Heckenberg and Broadmeadows in Victoria, the court heard.

But Justice Garling flagged Hilmi as an unacceptable flight risk, noting her bank accounts and the land in Lombok haven’t been restrained.

The defence offered for Hilmi to be placed on effective house arrest with an internet use ban, but the judge said the risk of her committing more fraud with the help of other people was too great.



how low will people go...

20 years each and everyone of them


20 years? whats the sentnece for murder or rape?

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Reply #2 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 4:41pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 4:33pm:
20 years? whats the sentnece for murder or rape?

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Far too lenient. LIFE for murder and frontal lobotomy for sexual offences.
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What nationality were they again??????
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[quote author=Valkie link=1566972923/3#3 date=1566975266]What nationality were they again??????[/quote]

What does it matter? Seriously there's criminals of all nationalities.

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Reply #5 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 5:12pm
 
[quote author=Lee_King link=1566972923/2#2 date=1566974492][quote author=Spot_of_Borg link=1566972923/1#1 date=1566973995]

20 years? whats the sentnece for murder or rape?

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Far too lenient. LIFE for murder and frontal lobotomy for sexual offences.
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But that's not how it is is it. They are far more concerned with pop taking drugs and white collar crimes

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Reply #6 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 5:12pm
 
[quote author=Spot_of_Borg link=1566972923/4#4 date=1566976301][quote author=Valkie link=1566972923/3#3 date=1566975266]What nationality were they again??????[/quote]

What does it matter? Seriously there's criminals of all nationalities.

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Some cults and nationalities are more predisposed to criminal activities than others.
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Reply #7 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 6:07pm
 
[quote author=Spot_of_Borg link=1566972923/4#4 date=1566976301][quote author=Valkie link=1566972923/3#3 date=1566975266]What nationality were they again??????[/quote]

What does it matter? Seriously there's criminals of all nationalities.

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I agree it doesnt undo the crime...

if they dont get the sentencing right for this CRIME...then I will be writing a few letters..
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Reply #8 - Aug 29th, 2019 at 6:18am
 
cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 4:15pm:
The 35-year-old was charged in May alongside her partner Alan Rifai, her two younger brothers and another woman with making fake claims from more than 70 disabled Australians who lost access to the money for legitimate health needs. 
About a ten out of ten.



During those Liverpool and Lurnea raids Alhassane Hilmi, his older brother Mostafa Hilmi, and his girlfriend Michelle Ross were also arrested alongside the couple, and their matters were all heard at Central Local Court on Wednesday. 
Usual Suspects and one cling-on fool Aussie sheila with no brains or ethics




Defence solicitor Simon Joyner said Hilmi has no criminal history and isn’t due to face trial until late 2020, meaning she could stay in custody at Emu Plains jail for up to 18 months.

Being away from her infant son — who has a congenital disorder — for that long would cause the mum considerable distress, he said.
Oh, no - not the infamous 'in-breeding' is it?




The Australian Federal Police have frozen Hilmi’s access to the lavish cars as well as properties in Goulburn, Heckenberg and Broadmeadows in Victoria, the court heard. 
And we poor saps worked like dogs for our homes.




The defence offered for Hilmi to be placed on effective house arrest with an internet use ban, but the judge said the risk of her committing more fraud with the help of other people was too great
Kulchural, innit?



20 years each and everyone of them
 
.. without the possibility, Yer 'Onnah ....


Well - there ya go - millions paid out to 'childcare' Usual Suspects, now millions to NDIS 'providers' - must be something in the breeding...... hope they catch many more...
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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 4:33pm:
cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 4:15pm:
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/sydney-mum-in-court-over-alleged-ndis...

We will all get Rolexes when we hit the million.”

This is one of the boastful texts allegedly sent between a Sydney mother and her boyfriend who were allegedly part of a family crime ring defrauding millions of dollars from the National Disability Insurance Scheme.

Alan Rifai: accused of NDIS fraud.
Alan Rifai: accused of NDIS fraud.
Amal Hilmi cried as a Supreme Court judge denied her bail this week, saying her “blatant and deliberate” alleged fleecing of the federal government while pregnant meant she’s likely to be convicted and spend a significant time behind bars.

The 35-year-old was charged in May alongside her partner Alan Rifai, her two younger brothers and another woman with making fake claims from more than 70 disabled Australians who lost access to the money for legitimate health needs.



The accused allegedly set up three NDIS providers in western Sydney to claim subsidies from over-inflated invoices which they then splurged on high-end sports cars, property in Indonesia and luxury watches, the court heard.

Justice Peter Garling said at one point Hilmi and her lover allegedly made promises to hand out Rolex watches as a reward for cheating the NDIS of $1 million and claiming: “it will take about a month.”

In another Whatsapp message exchange, when Hilmi allegedly told her lover she’d rorted more than $59,000, Rifai replied: “good girl, so which car you want?”

The court heard the next day $83,000 was allegedly spent on a Porsche Cayenne, which was seized by police in May alongside an Audi A3 and a Mercedes E6.

During those Liverpool and Lurnea raids Alhassane Hilmi, his older brother Mostafa Hilmi, and his girlfriend Michelle Ross were also arrested alongside the couple, and their matters were all heard at Central Local Court on Wednesday.

At Hilmi’s bail decision on Tuesday, Justice Garling said the small cash offered as her surety may even be from funds swindled from the commonwealth.

Defence solicitor Simon Joyner said Hilmi has no criminal history and isn’t due to face trial until late 2020, meaning she could stay in custody at Emu Plains jail for up to 18 months.

Being away from her infant son — who has a congenital disorder — for that long would cause the mum considerable distress, he said.

But the judge said the prosecution’s 23-folder brief of evidence is “an overwhelming one”.

Justice Garling added that Hilmi was still breastfeeding while carrying out the scam, meaning unless she irrationally thought she’d never be caught “it must have been obvious to the applicant there would come a time when her crimes were identified that she would be separated from her son.”

The Australian Federal Police have frozen Hilmi’s access to the lavish cars as well as properties in Goulburn, Heckenberg and Broadmeadows in Victoria, the court heard.

But Justice Garling flagged Hilmi as an unacceptable flight risk, noting her bank accounts and the land in Lombok haven’t been restrained.

The defence offered for Hilmi to be placed on effective house arrest with an internet use ban, but the judge said the risk of her committing more fraud with the help of other people was too great.



how low will people go...

20 years each and everyone of them


20 years? whats the sentnece for murder or rape?

Spot


Not enough.. generally speaking.... the victim(s) cop a life sentence or the death penalty and the perps get to enjoy at least some of life...
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Reply #10 - Aug 29th, 2019 at 6:26am
 
It's a matter of proportion - their percentage of the population as compared to their percentage of criminal behaviour... we simply play the odds... and the odds are a far higher percentage of certain groups are represented in crimes ...

Living the high life out of stolen goods..... stolen from disabled people, the taxpaying public, and you and me ....

Maybe it's time government brought all these things back under a public umbrella/roof - trouble is, then they will employ some under Affirmative Action to 'make them equal' and so they can talk-a to-a deir fellows, eh** ..........., like that sheila working in the NSW police service (clerical type) who aided and abetted crimes .... (another Usual Suspect - funny that) ...



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why do we the public not have more say in our legal system????..

I have always wondered why the villain is able to appeal his case!  but not the victim

seems to me our legal system favors the crooks..
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cods wrote on Aug 29th, 2019 at 8:14am:
why do we the public not have more say in our legal system????..

I have always wondered why the villain is able to appeal his case!  but not the victim

seems to me our legal system favors the crooks..


In part, the apparent leniency of the judiciary at times is to balance the very real probability that a wrongful finding has been made... this happens far more than you realise, cods... and sometimes a judge will give a lesser sentence because he/she entertains doubts about the prosecution case and even its witnesses.....

The so-called rights of the defendant are more apparent in the abuse than in the keeping in this once-great nation - you have no idea how many people have been 'sent down' on the word of one or more witnesses operating in collusion, and without a single shred of corroborative or substantial evidence, and often simply because the magistracy, in particular but not excluding judges, are following the wishes of police.

Wrong on every point...... what's amazing is that magistrates, in particular, are not fair game for anyone with a grievance..... and no wonder Howard stole the guns.......... now City Hall can trample people without fear of retaliation.....
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Reply #13 - Aug 29th, 2019 at 4:09pm
 
cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 6:07pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 5:11pm:
Valkie wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 4:54pm:
What nationality were they again??????


What does it matter? Seriously there's criminals of all nationalities.

Spot



I agree it doesnt undo the crime...

if they dont get the sentencing right for this CRIME...then I will be writing a few letters..


I think we know what you'll be saying, dear.

WE DON'T WANT THEM HERE.
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Reply #14 - Aug 29th, 2019 at 5:10pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Aug 29th, 2019 at 4:09pm:
cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 6:07pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 5:11pm:
Valkie wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 4:54pm:
What nationality were they again??????


What does it matter? Seriously there's criminals of all nationalities.

Spot



I agree it doesnt undo the crime...

if they dont get the sentencing right for this CRIME...then I will be writing a few letters..


I think we know what you'll be saying, dear.

WE DON'T WANT THEM HERE.



can you produce a link to where I have ever said that?.. ding dong....... you sound like you would be one of these criminals..you certainly support them. Angry Angry
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