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The construction of silence In his 1980 Boyer Lectures entitled The Spectre of Truganini, Bernard Smith suggested Australian culture is haunted by the dispossession and violence done to Aborigines. It is ‘a nightmare to be thrust out of mind’, he wrote. ‘Yet like the traumatic experiences of childhood it continues to haunt our dreams.’ Bernard Smith and W.E.H. Stanner (in his earlier series of Boyer Lectures) urged their fellow Australians to interrogate ‘the Great Australian Silence’ about Aborigines, not only to reveal suppressed facts about the frontier but also as part of an essential exploration of the white Australian psyche. For the Great Australian Silence was often ‘white noise’: it sometimes consisted of an obscuring and overlaying din of history-making. But the denial was often unconscious, or only half-conscious, for it was embedded in metaphor and language and in habits of commemoration. Silences are not just absences, though they can be manifested in that way. Silences are often discernible and palpable; they shape conversation and writing; they are enacted and constructed. We need to pay them as much attention as we pay official white noise. And analysing the uneasy language of conflict helps us discern the emotional and political slippage—the distinctive dissonance—at the heart of the Australian frontier experience.6

The euphemisms of the frontier, laconic and sharp, entered the Australian language. Aborigines were ‘civilised’ or ‘dispersed’ or ‘pacified’; white settlers went on a ‘spree’ and boasted of the ‘black crows’ they had shot. The land itself received new names—such as Murdering Creek and the Convincing Ground—that mapped the unofficial violence. The word-play was conscious and mischievous. ‘A quiet tongue’ was said to be a qualification for a frontier policeman, and the infamous W.H.Willshire boasted that it was his carbines that ‘were talking English’. These forms of language and description slip in and out of recognising the violence of the frontier. They reveal that many colonists accepted murder in their midst; but they reveal, too, their awareness that it could not be openly discussed. There were good reasons to be silent, especially after Myall Creek. Describing the organised shooting of Aborigines in Gippsland in the 1840s, F.J. Meyrick noted: ‘these things are kept very secret as the penalty would certainly be hanging.’ Even those who were appalled by what was happening found themselves forced into impotence and silence. Meyrick commented in 1846: ‘If I could remedy these things I would speak loudly though it cost me all I am worth in the world, but as I cannot I will keep aloof and know nothing and say nothing.’7

As an example of the construction of silence, let me introduce you briefly to Alfred Kenyon, the leading writer of Victorian pastoral history in the first half of the 20th century. The ‘greatest romance’ in Australian history, reflected Kenyon, ‘is the rise of the sheep breeder or pastoralist ... [T]he finest example of man’s mastery over the opposing forces of nature, of his justification of his position at the head of the organic world, is ... the breeding of fine wool’. Through an account of the pastoralist, Kenyon told the story of what he called ‘the peopling of the continental spaces’ or ‘the filling up of Victoria’s vacant corners’. He and R.V. Billis produced a much used map of squatting runs in Victoria which represented pastoral holdings as discrete, bounded territories (rather like Aboriginal tribal areas) that pieced together into a jigsaw claiming the whole of the state. Kenyon disparaged the possibility of Aboriginal antiquity and yet was a keen collector of Aboriginal artefacts. He removed thousands of stone tools from the landscape of south-eastern Australia, and in their place he erected stone cairns marking the paths of European explorers.

Australia’s occupation by Europeans was simple, he claimed, because of ‘the absence of any coloured race worthy of consideration’. He described it as ‘[a]n occupation where the dispossessors and the possessors lay down in amity side by side like the lion and the lamb, with the usual result to the lamb’.8
Kenyon went out of his way to excuse the squatter of any violence towards Aborigines. ‘The old-time mission station has more to answer for than the squatter’s station’, he explained. His was a class history, of wealth versus labour. Any frontier violence, said Kenyon, hedging his bets, was perpetrated by the lower classes and was unsanctioned and regrettable. He repeatedly scoffed at the tales of massacres and poisoned flour, while admitting that the rumours were widespread. In fact his continual slapping down of these stories reveals that a strong current of oral testimony of frontier violence did exist, and that Kenyon and others sought to control and suppress it. Kenyon was not inhabiting a silence, he was creating it. He was confronting a cacophony of undisciplined voices. Noise there was, and he sought to overwhelm it. Kenyon’s carefully constructed ‘white noise’ was in response to an unruly babble of whispers.9

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Reply #1096 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 6:15pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 3:35pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 30th, 2019 at 10:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2019 at 10:36pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 30th, 2019 at 10:29pm:
Who's air-brushing the past?  The fact is that there were occasional clashes between Aborigines and convicts/settlers, and the other fact is that generally the Aborigines could not win other than the occasional tiny fight.


You are trying to air-brush the past, Graps.

The so-called "tiny fights" as you call them wiped out the full-blooded Indigenous people of Tasmania and nearly wiped out the Indigenous people of the mainland.

The evidence is there.  It shows what happened. why do you and the other Racists keep trying to deny it?  Why do you lot keep denigrating the beliefs of the Indigenous people of Australia?   Why are their beliefs worthless in your view?  Why are their property rights worthless in your view?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




I'll ignore that nonsense - someone posted that the Tassie Aborigines were mainly wiped out by disease - hardly a deliberate act... and for a group that was 'nearly wiped out' - somehow there are many more now than there were then.. so they haven't done too badly overall....

Facts speak for themselves without air-brushing... sorry, but it is the revisionists who are air-brushing and trying to create a myth of an advanced culture that was all sweetness and light that was wiped out by whitey with fire and sword ... if the modern problems that go on and on are anything to judge by, there is no way that ever existed.

Jesus, son - as far back as 1838 seven white men were hanged for killing Aboriginals... hardly a policy of extermination...   Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

Stop reading one-sided tracts by 'learned professors' who know nothing...


I am reading tracts by professors who know far more than you
, Graps.  Australian society as a whole has airbrushed out the reality of what colonialism meant for the Indigenous Australians and you are one of the followers of the airbrushed viewpoint rather than the realistic one.

NO ONE, is attempting to paint the past other than what it really was, Graps, except the Three Cheers group of historiography.  Indigenous Australians, for the most part, live an all too often brutish and short lives before the arrival of the White Fellas.  Even after that date in 1788, it was still brutish and short but often in the homes of White Fellas who abused them as children as well as adults.  You are erecting a strawman argument.  I thought better of you but obviously I was mistaken.

Indigenous Australians have been very hard done by, by White settlers.  They have had their land stolen, their tribes destroyed, their culture damaged, their children stolen and their belief systems ignored or overturned.  You want to continue that happening.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Really - so when did they fall off the rails and start to fantasise?

BTW - I'm not erecting anything - I'm just saying that a lot of what is passed off as history revision is not solidly based.. I never mentioned children brought up in white homes...

Didn't they get a handout for a Stolen Generation already?  When will this end?

It's simply not going to work, this going on and on over it... time to move on... and really, let's be honest, they get the use of all the infrastructure and such, so their claims are massively offset before they even start...

If everyone could claim for wrongs done to them in life - there would never be enough money in the till... what about the Apology to Men and the compensation there?

You must realise that it is not government, which may be responsible for anything such as this, who will pay for it... it is the common person who had nothing to do with any of this.... a form of corporate or ethnic culpability that is outlawed in OUR kind of law.. but not in the 'law' of emotion as taught by academia these days...
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Reply #1097 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 6:18pm
 
Start a GoFundMe for the abused Indigenous.... that should be a true measure of what Australia considers their past is worth.

Nothing you've mentioned is anywhere out of the normal run of an industrial nation setting a non-industrial one... and it was long ago now...

You can't seriously expect that the modern taxpayer is going to fund such things to the tune of billions.... get over it  ..... and as for ongoing problems, the Indigenous could look at their own backyard first... nobody is forcing them to do the things they do...
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Reply #1098 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 7:13pm
 
Majority of Anglo Australians are British chauvinists and psychopath racists.
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Reply #1099 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 8:11pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 3:35pm:
Indigenous Australians have been very hard done by, by White settlers.  They have had their land stolen, their tribes destroyed, their culture damaged, their children stolen and their belief systems ignored or overturned.  You want to continue that happening.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




Aboriginal criminality, drunkenness, truancy, violence, abuse of women and children cannot be  explained by any of these grievances. If past mistreatment was really the  cause present criminality, the jails would overflowing with drunken, criminal, semi-literate Jews.
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Reply #1100 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 8:15pm
 
capitosinora wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 7:13pm:
Majority of Anglo Australians are British chauvinists and psychopath racists.


Best you not visit us then. Wink
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Reply #1101 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 8:23pm
 
its ok, Wharty is about to start paying for his crimes

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-29/$290-billion-wa-native-title-claim-launch...

WA Indigenous group's $290 billion compensation claim could become one of world's biggest payouts


By national Indigenous affairs correspondent Isabella Higgins and the Specialist Reporting Team's Sarah Collard
Updated Fri at 9:12pm

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Indigenous leaders have filed an unprecedented compensation claim against the West Australian Government that could become one of the world's biggest legal payouts.

Noongar people of south-west WA are pursuing more than $290 billion for "spiritual damage" caused by loss of their traditional land.

The figure would be almost a quarter of Australia's gross domestic product of $1.4 trillion and more than West Australia's gross state product of $259 billion.

If the action is successful, it would put it in the range of a landmark $US206 billion ($304 billion) payout made by the tobacco industry to governments across the United States in 1998.

Noongar woman Naomi Smith, a lead claimant, said her people had been struggling since European settlement when they lost access to their traditional land.

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Reply #1104 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 8:55pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 6:18pm:
Start a GoFundMe for the abused Indigenous.... that should be a true measure of what Australia considers their past is worth.

Nothing you've mentioned is anywhere out of the normal run of an industrial nation setting a non-industrial one... and it was long ago now...

You can't seriously expect that the modern taxpayer is going to fund such things to the tune of billions.... get over it  ..... and as for ongoing problems, the Indigenous could look at their own backyard first... nobody is forcing them to do the things they do...



Spot on Grapps.

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Reply #1105 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 10:34pm
 
Keep attacking people for telling the truth, Graps.  Run along, your racism is showing.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #1106 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 12:52am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 8:28pm:



Ah, Grasshopper - that is the truest word you have derived from your meditation...
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Reply #1107 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 1:03am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 10:34pm:
Keep attacking people for telling the truth, Graps.  Run along, your racism is showing.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Personal violence is the last refuge of the socially incompetent - I said that to my schizophrenic brother 50+ years ago - before I donned the green and was committed to action ...and today you prove that maxim.

Thank you for validating what I knew when I was in my teens... now, Grasshopper - your duty is to find the True Path.... you may consider, along that path, what those who Know have done and said before....

The choice is yours - a crossroads has been reached..... you may choose the path of the Genuinely Righteous Man - or a limited way bounded by limited concepts........

Refuse all access to spirituous liquors and fermented brews... for the sake of your own living soul.

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children."
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Reply #1108 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 1:04am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 10:34pm:
Keep attacking people for telling the truth, Graps.  Run along, your racism is showing.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I attack no-one... I merely rectify.....

You?
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Reply #1109 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 6:39am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 10:34pm:
Keep attacking people for telling the truth, Graps.  Run along, your racism is showing.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Seems you are the racist there champ.
Those that use the term ARE racist.  Wink
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