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How fast is the world warming?
Aug 19th, 2019 at 3:01pm
 
From Larry Kummer - Fabius Maximus website.

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According to consensus science man is responsible for at least half the warming since 1951.

“It is extremely likely (95 – 100% certain) that human activities caused more than half of the observed increase in global mean surface temperature from 1951 to 2010.” (IPCC)

"0.08°C/decade (0.14°F) – 1880-2019 – The full instrument record. Of course, the earlier data is much less reliable.

0.12°C/decade (0.22°F) – 1918-1950 – The instrument record for the pre-anthro era for those skeptical of global temp. data before WWI.

0.14°C/decade (0.25°F) – 1950-2019 – The anthropogenic era, per the finding of the IPCC’s AR5.

0.19°C/decade (0.34°F) – 1989-2019 – The past 30 years, the period for climate metrics defined by the World Meteorological Organization.

0.16°C/decade (0.29°F) – 1998-2016 – What an economist might use: the warming rate from peak to peak (18 years) of the El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO)."

https://fabiusmaximus.com/2019/08/17/climate-change-burning-world/

The answer would seem not fast.  Wink
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Reply #1 - Dec 4th, 2019 at 8:54am
 
Fossil fuel emissions as the climate ‘control knob’ is a simple and seductive idea. However this is a misleading oversimplification, since climate can shift naturally in unexpected ways. Apart from uncertainties in future emissions, we are still facing a factor of 3 or more uncertainty in the sensitivity of the Earth’s temperature to increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. We have no idea how natural climate variability (solar, volcanoes, ocean circulations) will play out in the 21st century, and whether or not natural variability will dominate over manmade warming.

We still don’t have a realistic assessment of how a warmer climate will impact us and whether it is ‘dangerous.’ We don’t have a good understanding of how warming will influence extreme weather events.  Land use and exploitation by humans is a far bigger issue than climate change for species extinction and ecosystem health. Local sea level rise has many causes, and is dominated by sinking from land use in many of the most vulnerable locations.

We have been told that the science of climate change is ‘settled’. However, in climate science there has been a tension between the drive towards a scientific ‘consensus’ to support policy making, versus exploratory research that pushes forward the knowledge frontier. Climate science is characterized by a rapidly evolving knowledge base and disagreement among experts. Predictions of 21st century climate change are characterized by deep uncertainty.

Nevertheless, activist scientists and the media seize upon each extreme weather event as having the fingerprints of manmade climate change — ignoring the analyses of more sober scientists showing periods of even more extreme weather in the first half of the 20th century, when fossil fuel emissions were much smaller.

Alarming press releases are issued about each new climate model prediction of future catastrophes from famine, mass migrations, catastrophic fires, etc. Yet, these press releases don’t mention that these predicted catastrophes are associated with highly implausible assumptions about how much we might actually emit over the course of the 21st century. Further, issues such as famine, mass migrations and wildfires are caused primarily by government policies and ineptitude, lack of wealth and land use policies. Climate change matters, but it’s outweighed by other factors in terms of influencing human well being.
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Reply #2 - Dec 4th, 2019 at 1:34pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 3:01pm:
From Larry Kummer - Fabius Maximus website.

https://i0.wp.com/fabiusmaximus.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Global-temp-1880-...

According to consensus science man is responsible for at least half the warming since 1951.

“It is extremely likely (95 – 100% certain) that human activities caused more than half of the observed increase in global mean surface temperature from 1951 to 2010.” (IPCC)

"0.08°C/decade (0.14°F) – 1880-2019 – The full instrument record. Of course, the earlier data is much less reliable.

0.12°C/decade (0.22°F) – 1918-1950 – The instrument record for the pre-anthro era for those skeptical of global temp. data before WWI.

0.14°C/decade (0.25°F) – 1950-2019 – The anthropogenic era, per the finding of the IPCC’s AR5.

0.19°C/decade (0.34°F) – 1989-2019 – The past 30 years, the period for climate metrics defined by the World Meteorological Organization.

0.16°C/decade (0.29°F) – 1998-2016 – What an economist might use: the warming rate from peak to peak (18 years) of the El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO)."

https://fabiusmaximus.com/2019/08/17/climate-change-burning-world/

The answer would seem not fast.  Wink


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Reply #3 - Dec 4th, 2019 at 2:21pm
 
Robot wrote on Dec 4th, 2019 at 1:34pm:
"I can't see the water rising, so it's not a big deal."



You can't see a lot. Science is beyond you. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #4 - Dec 4th, 2019 at 4:10pm
 
rising seas don't seem to perturb the rich, nor developers, nor council planners

maybe most people know Club of Rome man-made climate-change is simply a potential massive enricher of the point one percent?

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Reply #5 - Dec 4th, 2019 at 4:19pm
 
Climate change – both manmade and natural – is a chronic problem that will require centuries of management.

The extreme rhetoric of the Extinction Rebellion and other activists is making political agreement on climate change policies more difficult.  Exaggerating the dangers beyond credibility makes it difficult to take climate change seriously. The monomaniacal focus on elimination of fossil fuel emissions distracts our attention from the primary causes of many of our problems and effective solutions.

Common sense strategies to reduce vulnerability to extreme weather events, improve environmental quality, develop better energy technologies, improve agricultural and land use practices, and better manage water resources can pave the way for a more prosperous and secure future. Each of these solutions is ‘no regrets’ – supporting climate change mitigation while improving human well being. These strategies avoid the political gridlock surrounding the current policies and avoid costly policies that will have minimal near-term impacts on the climate. And finally, these strategies don’t require agreement about the risks of uncontrolled greenhouse gas emissions.

We don’t know how the climate of the 21st century will evolve, and we will undoubtedly be surprised. Given this uncertainty, precise emissions targets and deadlines are scientifically meaningless. We can avoid much of the political gridlock by implementing common sense, no-regrets strategies that improve energy technologies, lift people out of poverty and make them more resilient to extreme weather events.

https://judithcurry.com/2019/12/02/madrid/#more-25458


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Reply #6 - Dec 4th, 2019 at 4:40pm
 
Sing-a-long time!  Cool


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Reply #7 - Dec 4th, 2019 at 4:47pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 4th, 2019 at 4:40pm:
Sing-a-long time!  Cool




Great.
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Reply #8 - Dec 4th, 2019 at 6:19pm
 
And yet in the 70s people were terrified of an ice age.
It's essential to watch this video -
it's super scary.




Jump to 13:00.
The scientist - Dr James Hayes is confident that we are heading for another Ice Age.
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Reply #9 - Dec 11th, 2019 at 11:00am
 
   Pretty clearly explains why current temp change is different.


sorry - I removed your link -

that was a bad site for security.
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