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Reply #405 - Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:20pm
 
Whatever.....it is just another element which adds to the level of dissatisfaction I have with the position.
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Reply #406 - Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:22pm
 
cods wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:12pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 2:59pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 2:56pm:
Afraid to tell his Mother?



Yep, plenty of people do it on the basis they may be ostracised from their family. My key take home point is that telling/not telling someone is individual and not for us to judge.



that surely is an excuse for the way you believe things happened.....

many sexualy abused kids have told a parent what happened.... and not been believed....its the parent who got it wrong in the end....

ask yourself why would a mother LIE about something that serious?.....



Umm, try rereading, I'm saying that some people choose to speak up about their abuse, others don't.
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #407 - Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:22pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:20pm:
Whatever.....it is just another element which adds to the level of dissatisfaction I have with the position.



Good lawyers argument that one.....whatever.
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Reply #408 - Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:25pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:22pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:20pm:
Whatever.....it is just another element which adds to the level of dissatisfaction I have with the position.



Good lawyers argument that one.....whatever.


I don't reckon it is going anywhere to double guess why he denied any molestation when his Mother asked him when he was a 'teenager.'  Fact is...she asked, and he said 'No.'
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Reply #409 - Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:26pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:25pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:22pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:20pm:
Whatever.....it is just another element which adds to the level of dissatisfaction I have with the position.



Good lawyers argument that one.....whatever.


I don't reckon it is going anywhere to double guess why he denied any molestation when his Mother asked him when he was a 'teenager.'  Fact is...she asked, and he said 'No.'




I'm not the ne double guessing, everyone here seems to suggest it includes doubt, and I'm saying it doesn't on the basis its irrelevant.
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Reply #410 - Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:28pm
 
It occurred.  It is germane.  It is directly relevant.
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Reply #411 - Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:30pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:28pm:
It occurred.  It is germane.  It is directly relevant.



And the fact that we know that some victims of abuse don't admit the abuse to me shows no relevancy to the existence of the abuse. And thus the 12 jurors, two judges didn't think it was relevant.
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Reply #412 - Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:39pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:28pm:
It occurred.  It is germane.  It is directly relevant.


Absolutely.

It couldn't be more relevant.

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Reply #413 - Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:41pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:39pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:28pm:
It occurred.  It is germane.  It is directly relevant.


Absolutely.

It couldn't be more relevant.




Given that it hasn't been relevant to cases in the past, its not relevant now. But hey, I risk getting into gregs MO so I'm leaving this thread until the high court decision is reached
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Reply #414 - Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:58pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:39pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:28pm:
It occurred.  It is germane.  It is directly relevant.


Absolutely.

It couldn't be more relevant.




Given that it hasn't been relevant to cases in the past, its not relevant now. But hey, I risk getting into gregs MO so I'm leaving this thread until the high court decision is reached


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Reply #415 - Aug 27th, 2019 at 4:14pm
 
[quote author=Pastafarian link=1565844268/378#378 date=1566871977][quote author=cods link=1565844268/377#377 date=1566870809][quote author=Spot_of_Borg link=1565844268/376#376 date=1566866035][quote author=The_Grappler link=1565844268/366#366 date=1566861194]Voice of sense, borg - thing is - if you are on a jury and you don't KNOW, you cannot find guilty.[/quote]

Thats a good thing IMO - i wouldn't want to find guilty if i dont know

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we have a tall poppy being charged with sexual abuse....about 23 years ago.....one mans memory against another mans...

at the end of the day     its all about who you believe...

truly this man was condemned before his trial.[/quote]


No, its not, theres more.
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What?

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Reply #416 - Aug 27th, 2019 at 4:20pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:22pm:
cods wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:12pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 2:59pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 2:56pm:
Afraid to tell his Mother?



Yep, plenty of people do it on the basis they may be ostracised from their family. My key take home point is that telling/not telling someone is individual and not for us to judge.



that surely is an excuse for the way you believe things happened.....

many sexualy abused kids have told a parent what happened.... and not been believed....its the parent who got it wrong in the end....

ask yourself why would a mother LIE about something that serious?.....



Umm, try rereading, I'm saying that some people choose to speak up about their abuse, others don't.


You and there are usually good reasons for both positions

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Reply #417 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 12:27am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:12pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 3:08pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 2:54pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 2:47pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 2:44pm:
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I thought the only corroborating witness had died....... kind of convenient both ways, eh?


He died, but he wasn't a corroborating witness.

He never made a complaint to the police.

In fact, I'm pretty sure he told his family that it never happened.



He was asked by his Mother if he had ever been molested and he said that he hadn't.




That doesn't prove much either way, its long been shown that some victims of molestation dont tell family or friends


It's not that he didn't tell.

It's the fact that he was specifically asked, and said 'no'.




I don't see how that negates anything. He still could have been too afraid to tell.


Yep.

He could have been telling the truth too.

It seems a bit harsh to assume he was lying when he said 'no'.




I don't think its cruel, I just think it's irrelevant.


A guy you've never met, and you automatically assume he's a liar?   Undecided

Seems harsh to me.



We're talking about the deceased guy who said it never happened?

Right - what reason would he have to lie?  In the current climate he had a lot to gain in many ways.... 'closure', revenge, and monetary compensation...

Jeez - I might have to put in a claim of abuse from the time my 'mother' dumped my brother and I in a Catholic orphanage....... you really have to read the book when it comes out.... my sister says - "Mother?  she just gave birth to us" .... the other sister's husband once told 'mum' she wasn't a mother's arsehole.... he's a Koon, BTW..... he knows which way is up and which down....
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Reply #418 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 10:13am
 
The OzPol verdict is in.

6 -> 4 Guilty.

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Reply #419 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 10:19am
 
Appeal will be rejected and Pell will remain guilty IMO!!!

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