Australian Politics Forum - Pell Court of Appeal Decision

Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Pell Court of Appeal Decision Aug 15^th, 2019 at 2:44pm Due next Wednesday. So, now is the time for all you sooth sayers to have a go....before, not after the event. Link. My view is: Appeal upheld. Conviction quashed. No re-trial. No Appeal to the High Court.
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 15914 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Pell Court of Appeal Decision Reply #1 - Aug 15^th, 2019 at 3:26pm So you are a soothsayer?
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 20692 ACT Gender:	Re: Pell Court of Appeal Decision Reply #2 - Aug 15^th, 2019 at 3:28pm Yep Aussie may be right ! The correct hand shake would have been given to the appeal judges!
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95234 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Pell Court of Appeal Decision Reply #3 - Aug 15^th, 2019 at 3:30pm Redmond Neck wrote on Aug 15^th, 2019 at 3:28pm: Yep Aussie may be right ! The correct hand shake would have been given to the appeal judges! Pell will receive divine intervention via the Pope. Pell will walk free and spend his last years in luxury at the Vatican.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131456 Gender:	Re: Pell Court of Appeal Decision Reply #4 - Aug 15^th, 2019 at 3:48pm I predict that if Aussie is right, many forum members here will not accept the decision.
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 15914 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Pell Court of Appeal Decision Reply #5 - Aug 15^th, 2019 at 4:05pm I predict I'll just let the courts handle it.
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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 13817 In your happy place Gender:	Re: Pell Court of Appeal Decision Reply #6 - Aug 15^th, 2019 at 4:08pm Setanta wrote on Aug 15^th, 2019 at 4:05pm: I predict I'll just let the courts handle it. Are you off your game? You need a Haji Gordon University of Love refresher course.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Pell Court of Appeal Decision Reply #7 - Aug 15^th, 2019 at 4:17pm Setanta wrote on Aug 15^th, 2019 at 4:05pm: I predict I'll just let the courts handle it. Fine, just don't later be Monday's expert......or in this case Thursday's expert.
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Re: Pell Court of Appeal Decision
Reply #8 - Aug 15^th, 2019 at 5:00pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2019 at 2:44pm:

Due next Wednesday.

So, now is the time for all you sooth sayers to have a go....before, not after the event.

Link.

My view is:

Appeal upheld. Conviction quashed. No re-trial. No Appeal to the High Court.

That's a very high bar there Aussie.

Raven disagrees, the best Pell can hope for is a retrial. Raven finds it highly unlikely the Appeal Court will render the jury's verdict unsafe. To do that the Judges would have to be convinced the jury entertained reasonable doubt and convicted him anyway.

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Quoth the Raven "Nevermore"

Raven would rather ask questions that may never be answered, then accept answers which must never be questioned.

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Re: Pell Court of Appeal Decision
Reply #9 - Aug 15^th, 2019 at 5:08pm

Raven wrote on Aug 15^th, 2019 at 5:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2019 at 2:44pm:

Due next Wednesday.

So, now is the time for all you sooth sayers to have a go....before, not after the event.

Link.

My view is:

Appeal upheld. Conviction quashed. No re-trial. No Appeal to the High Court.

That's a very high bar there Aussie.

Raven disagrees, the best Pell can hope for is a retrial. Raven finds it highly unlikely the Appeal Court will render the jury's verdict unsafe. To do that the Judges would have to be convinced the jury entertained reasonable doubt and convicted him anyway.

No. It is not argued that the decision was perverse. It is argued that, given the evidence, the Jury could not reasonably have come to a verdict of guilty.

I do agree it is a high bar, but the state of the evidence is correspondingly at a very low bar. Also........in support of your caution, I acknowledge that if I am right, it is a kick in the arse for the Trial Judge. That is because the Appeal Court is saying....'You should never have allowed this to go to a Jury. It should have been a directed verdict.'

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19617 Perth Gender:	Re: Pell Court of Appeal Decision Reply #10 - Aug 15^th, 2019 at 5:38pm I never thought he would be convicted....The jury believed the victims over Pell so go figure....The bloke is finished even if he is released on a technicality???
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Re: Pell Court of Appeal Decision
Reply #11 - Aug 15^th, 2019 at 5:44pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2019 at 4:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 15^th, 2019 at 4:05pm:

I predict I'll just let the courts handle it.

Fine, just don't later be Monday's expert......or in this case Thursday's expert.

Why do you think I would? I'm happy for the courts to decide on verdicts, I don't have the info they have although I find it hard to believe he didn't know what was going on with the info I do have.

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Re: Pell Court of Appeal Decision
Reply #12 - Aug 15^th, 2019 at 7:08pm

Setanta wrote on Aug 15^th, 2019 at 5:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2019 at 4:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 15^th, 2019 at 4:05pm:

I predict I'll just let the courts handle it.

Fine, just don't later be Monday's expert......or in this case Thursday's expert.

Why do you think I would? I'm happy for the courts to decide on verdicts, I don't have the info they have although I find it hard to believe he didn't know what was going on with the info I do have.

Makes no sense.

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Re: Pell Court of Appeal Decision
Reply #13 - Aug 15^th, 2019 at 7:34pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2019 at 7:08pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 15^th, 2019 at 5:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2019 at 4:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 15^th, 2019 at 4:05pm:

I predict I'll just let the courts handle it.

Fine, just don't later be Monday's expert......or in this case Thursday's expert.

Why do you think I would? I'm happy for the courts to decide on verdicts, I don't have the info they have although I find it hard to believe he didn't know what was going on with the info I do have.

Makes no sense.

Why?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72209 Gender:	Re: Pell Court of Appeal Decision Reply #14 - Aug 15^th, 2019 at 7:35pm Aussie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2019 at 7:08pm: Makes no sense. makes sense to me
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Question: Is Pell guilty?
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