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Aug 14th, 2019 at 8:28am
 
NBN customers face higher prices or poorer internet connection, audit warns   Sad

August 13, 2019
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Some National Broadband Network customers will pay more for their internet or receive a lower-quality service as a result of the "multi-technology" model being used in the rollout, the government's independent infrastructure adviser has warned.

The major Infrastructure Australia audit of the nation's future transport, energy, water and telecommunications needs highlighted poor quality broadband connections, increased costs, and an "inherent tension" between NBN Co's obligations to customers and taxpayers.


Infrastructure Australia has warned the NBN faces major challenges.

The report pointed to a fundamental challenge facing the $51 billion project as it seeks to provide quality, accessible and affordable internet connections for the market while also making a return on taxpayer investment.

The report noted the shift from Labor's original fibre-to-the-premises model to the government's mixed technology model, and said there were increased capital and maintenance expenses for certain connections under the Coalition's rollout.


"The technology mix for the NBN has diversified, meaning different users will receive different types of connections. This change will deliver varied outcomes for users, and some may shoulder higher costs or receive lower-quality services," the report said.

The government-owned NBN Co is required to achieve a 3.2 per cent return on investment to remain an off-budget asset rather than a liability, leading to "an inherent tension between the NBN's strategic goals," the infrastructure advisory body warned, saying it would potentially have to trade-off user outcomes to deliver the return.

"If all goals cannot be achieved, the ability for Australians to access affordable and high quality NBN services may be negatively affected."

The report said the target rate of return was based on assumptions about increased average revenue per user, the attractiveness of top tier broadband packages and the NBN's resilience against competing services.

"However, there are concerns around the realisation of these assumptions given users' apparent unwillingness to pay more for additional services, challenges in achieving fast speeds across all technologies, and the imminent rollout of competing 5G fixed wireless and mobile networks," it said.

The Infrastructure Australia report said retail price cuts for NBN packages should increase take-up of superior connections while higher prices would suppress that demand and "subdue the economic benefits" of the network.

A spokesman for NBN Co said the network was being built to meet the country's needs, which comes at a "significant cost" in the initial rollout, ongoing maintenance and future upgrades.

"We consult regularly with industry on our wholesale pricing structures, keeping in mind the economics of retail providers and NBN Co's need to reinvest in the network. These have led to significant price reductions in recent years, while also boosting customer take-up of higher speed plans," the spokesman said.

He said fixed broadband networks, rather than mobile networks, "do the heavy lifting" in Australia as in other countries.

Labor communications spokeswoman Michelle Rowland said the Coalition had promised a faster and cheaper NBN rollout but had delivered a "business model that needs more cash flows — but has less ability to generate it because of inferior technology and higher costs".

A spokesman for Communication Minister Paul Fletcher said the Coalition's rollout had dramatically accelerated the number of Australians connecting to the NBN and saved taxpayers almost $30 billion.

"When the NBN rollout is completed, Australia will be the first country of its size and population density to guarantee universal, affordable fast broadband services to all homes and businesses," the spokesman said.

He said retail broadband prices had fallen since the NBN was introduced and NBN Co's financial objectives protected the interests of taxpayers. He said delivering the project required significant capital expenditure.

"NBN Co is a commercial business that needs to generate sustainable cashflows in order to support its operations and its capital expenditure, future network upgrades, improve customer experience and service and repay debt," he said.

10 million homes and businesses are now able to connect to the NBN and more than 5.7 million premises have activated their connections, with increased appetite for the higher speed tiers of the network as 56 per cent of premises opt for plans of 50 Mbps or higher.

The company divulged that 183,000 active fibre-to-the-node connections of the total 2.4 million are not achieving required speeds of more than 25 Mbps.
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Labor communications spokeswoman Michelle Rowland said the Coalition had promised a faster and cheaper NBN rollout but had delivered a "business model that needs more cash flows — but has less ability to generate it because of inferior technology and higher costs".   Sad
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wasnt this going to be the ENVY OF THE WORLD?
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The Coalition stuffed the network by using multiple and obsolete technologies....The Coalition own this mess and deserve the criticism they are receiving!!! 

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The company divulged that 183,000 active fibre-to-the-node connections of the total 2.4 million are not achieving required speeds of more than 25 Mbps.


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Reply #4 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 9:22am
 
Australia is going backward in this technology.

NBN cable and hardware will eventually have to be ripped out when a decent service is eventually offered.
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Now if only Labor could have built their NeverBuiltNetwork and got their Socialist Spying Network going and spied on every dissident.

Would a VPN stop them ?
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Reply #6 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 9:42am
 
cods wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 8:39am:
wasnt this going to be the ENVY OF THE WORLD?


just like their fake servioces economy running on borrowed money ! Definitely something to be envious of Cheesy LOL
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juliar wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 9:33am:
Now if only Labor could have built their NeverBuiltNetwork and got their Socialist Spying Network going and spied on every dissident.

Would a VPN stop them ?


You do realize no Government can spy on it's citizens without a court order....I find it telling that your bullshit is never called out by the right wing scum who are just as stupid as you are....Your infantile rants show the true nature of a conservative....Reality and the truth are beyond your comprehension....Do you really believe the crap you wrote and if you do back it up with some facts you dickhead???

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Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 9:42am:
cods wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 8:39am:
wasnt this going to be the ENVY OF THE WORLD?


just like their fake servioces economy running on borrowed money ! Definitely something to be envious of Cheesy LOL



yeah you will have to talk to krudd gillard about that pet!
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cods wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 9:44am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 9:42am:
cods wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 8:39am:
wasnt this going to be the ENVY OF THE WORLD?


just like their fake servioces economy running on borrowed money ! Definitely something to be envious of Cheesy LOL



yeah you will have to talk to krudd gillard about that pet!


'service economy' has been around longer than that...   Huh  .. been a steady erosion for years now.. accompanied by politics of division and employing women because they are more tame and don't stand on work rights as much .... dumb management didn't work out that they'd demand and get extra 'rights' that cost, that men never had....

Self-inflicted injury....
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Reply #10 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 11:14am
 
I have no concern about government spying on me - they may well benefit from my views.  If anything they need to start listening to the ordinary person out here ...

As for being spied on by the security agencies - they know me already.....
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Reply #11 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 12:36pm
 
cods wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 8:39am:
wasnt this going to be the ENVY OF THE WORLD?


That was the plan until politics got in the way and fukked everything.
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Are Lefty and Greeny dissidents being targeted by the NBN to stop their anti Australian propaganda and activities ?

Join GetUp! and lose your internet speed!!!!

Labor's original idea for their NeverBuiltNetwork was to create a Socialist Spying Network with fiber optic cable into every dwelling so they could monitor dissidents.
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i hope every single liberal voter has their internet drop out a hundred times a day. It's the least you deserve.
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Is Mr Smith envious ? Perhaps he should use a VPN to stop the internet police monitoring him ?
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juliar wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
Is Mr Smith envious ? Perhaps he should use a VPN to stop the internet police monitoring him ?



police can monitor me all they want. Being a leftie, corruption isn't in my genes unlike with you righties.
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nothing wrong with my NBN. works great.
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rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 10:49pm:
nothing wrong with my NBN. works great.


That's not a get out of gaol free card for the NBN. Works fine for me is not a valid response when it doesn't for many. In fact I have to go take a look at someones connection to the NBN in the next few days and deal with their probs.

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Theres also less to go wrong because NBN doesnt use any telephone wires. Cable into the home then distribute it from there. I dont know anyone with NBN issues.
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rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 11:08pm:
Theres also less to go wrong because NBN doesnt use any telephone wires. Cable into the home then distribute it from there. I dont know anyone with NBN issues.


I agree it should be no harder than moving from adsl to vdsl and voip for most people, that's not always the case unfortunately. BUT, just because some or even most have no probs doesn't mean there are no probs.

I'm going to move my voice number to voip before the changeover, I have the hardware and can't use an ISP/RSP provided router as set up by the ISP/RSP. My router will need to be set up in bridged mode(pass through). Will this cause probs? Maybe, but I can fix/sort it. Not every NBN connection is a standard home connection.

We will still have copper into the premises, the only thing that is really changed is fibre down the road. Instead of ADSL(2+) we will have VDSL2, a faster DSL protocol. Instead of the dslam being in the exchange, it will be in a "node" or in the ground in FTTC. In effect it's just moving the dslam closer to your home.
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Coaxial is copper, plenty of bandwidth.
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Reply #21 - Aug 15th, 2019 at 11:41pm
 
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 10:49pm:
nothing wrong with my NBN. works great.


Mines fine.

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rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 11:38pm:
Coaxial is copper, plenty of bandwidth.


Most of the NBN is not coax and coax has it's problems and is being replaced by newer tech as needs be. Coax is a very small part of the NBN, it's used because it's there.

I believe coax can do 100 Mbs, the hardware being installed is g.fast protocol set to v.fast, that's what is being used in FTC and FTTN, g.fast but set in the lower speed protocol of v.fast(VDSL2), which means a flick of the switch could give up to 1 Gbs over the last 100m of copper(FTTC). Coax can never do that. And full fibre can do 10Gbs.
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Setanta wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 11:48pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 11:38pm:
Coaxial is copper, plenty of bandwidth.


Most of the NBN is not coax and coax has it's problems and is being replaced by newer tech as needs be. Coax is a very small part of the NBN, it's used because it's there.

I believe coax can do 100 Mbs, the hardware being installed is g.fast protocol set to v.fast, that's what is being used in FTC and FTTN, g.fast but set in the lower speed protocol of v.fast(VDSL2), which means a flick of the switch could give up to 1 Gbs over the last 100m of copper(FTTC). Coax can never do that. And full fibre can do 10Gbs.


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Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 12:03am:
Setanta wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 11:48pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 11:38pm:
Coaxial is copper, plenty of bandwidth.


Most of the NBN is not coax and coax has it's problems and is being replaced by newer tech as needs be. Coax is a very small part of the NBN, it's used because it's there.

I believe coax can do 100 Mbs, the hardware being installed is g.fast protocol set to v.fast, that's what is being used in FTC and FTTN, g.fast but set in the lower speed protocol of v.fast(VDSL2), which means a flick of the switch could give up to 1 Gbs over the last 100m of copper(FTTC). Coax can never do that. And full fibre can do 10Gbs.


Kooder, shooder, and wooder.


Pretty much as far as the NBN is concerned. Liberals completed by 2016, cheaper and quicker. Now 2019 and still waiting for substandard services.
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Setanta wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 12:05am:
Pretty much as far as the NBN is concerned. Liberals completed by 2016, cheaper and quicker. Now 2019 and still waiting.


Is Setanta a paid servant of the Liberal government?

There are so many complaints about the NBN. Where there's smoke there's fire.
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Setanta wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 11:48pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 11:38pm:
Coaxial is copper, plenty of bandwidth.


Most of the NBN is not coax and coax has it's problems and is being replaced by newer tech as needs be. Coax is a very small part of the NBN, it's used because it's there.

I believe coax can do 100 Mbs, the hardware being installed is g.fast protocol set to v.fast, that's what is being used in FTC and FTTN, g.fast but set in the lower speed protocol of v.fast(VDSL2), which means a flick of the switch could give up to 1 Gbs over the last 100m of copper(FTTC). Coax can never do that. And full fibre can do 10Gbs.
Thats Rg6 you are talking about. Coax from the curb to the home is fine and has plenty of bandwidth.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 12:08am:
Setanta wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 12:05am:
Pretty much as far as the NBN is concerned. Liberals completed by 2016, cheaper and quicker. Now 2019 and still waiting.


Is Setanta a paid servant of the Liberal government?

There are so many complaints about the NBN. Where there's smoke there's fire.


I doubt it LTYC. I'm a proponent of the do it once and do it right school the NBN was conceived on. The one devised by the tech people on a beer coaster.
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My nbns fine.

Not one problem.
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 12:11am:
My nbns fine.

Not one problem.


Let's all give Sprint a hand! The argument that you don't have a problem does not mean there are no problems is flaccid.
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rhino wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 12:11am:
Setanta wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 11:48pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 11:38pm:
Coaxial is copper, plenty of bandwidth.


Most of the NBN is not coax and coax has it's problems and is being replaced by newer tech as needs be. Coax is a very small part of the NBN, it's used because it's there.

I believe coax can do 100 Mbs, the hardware being installed is g.fast protocol set to v.fast, that's what is being used in FTC and FTTN, g.fast but set in the lower speed protocol of v.fast(VDSL2), which means a flick of the switch could give up to 1 Gbs over the last 100m of copper(FTTC). Coax can never do that. And full fibre can do 10Gbs.
Thats Rg6 you are talking about. Coax from the curb to the home is fine and has plenty of bandwidth.


Why use coax from the curb? You can do 1Gbs over 100m over copper with g.fast with good phone line copper.
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Most of the problems with the Liberal's "Soona Fasta Cheapa" version of the NBN are caused by having to use the old copper telephone wires (FTTN - Fibre To The Node).

Not just the copper wires inside peoples' homes but, in some cases, up to a kilometre (or more) of copper wires between the nodes and the houses.

And, having a node just outside or close to your house is no guarantee of a fast FTTN connection - the copper could 'go around the block' (or further) between the node and your house.

Also with FTTN, you need to make sure your house telephone wiring is in good condition and disconnect or remove any extension wiring and phone sockets (especially 'star' wired extensions) as these can greatly affect FTTN speeds.

The latest addition to the NBN 'mix' is FTTC - Fibre To The Curb which has fibre right up to the outside of the home and then copper wire from there. Better than FTTN but not as good as the originally planned FTTP (Fibre To The Premises).

Here's a good place to read about the problems many people are having with the NBN:

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/142

I'm one of the lucky ones who got Labor's original FTTP NBN 4 years ago before the Liberals made a dog's breakfast out of it.

And, I got it 2 years after the Liberals won the 2013 Federal election because our area had already been contracted to be done with FTTP by the previous Labor government.
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Carl D wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 12:19am:
Most of the problems with the Liberal's "Soona Fasta Cheapa" version of the NBN are caused by having to use the old copper telephone wires (FTTN - Fibre To The Node).

Not just the copper wires inside peoples' homes but, in some cases, up to a kilometre (or more) of copper wires between the nodes and the houses.

And, having a node just outside or close to your house is no guarantee of a fast FTTN connection - the copper could 'go around the block' (or further) between the node and your house.

Also with FTTN, you need to make sure your house telephone wiring is in good condition and disconnect or remove any extension wiring and phone sockets (especially 'star' wired extensions) as these can greatly affect FTTN speeds.

The latest addition to the NBN 'mix' is FTTC - Fibre To The Curb which has fibre right up to the outside of the home and then copper wire from there. Better than FTTN but not as good as the originally planned FTTP (Fibre To The Premises).

Here's a good place to read about the problems many people are having with the NBN:

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/142

I'm one of the lucky ones who got Labor's original FTTP NBN 4 years ago before the Liberals made a dog's breakfast out of it.

And, I got it 2 years after the Liberals won the 2013 Federal election because our area had already been contracted to be done with FTTP by the previous Labor government.


With phone lines, they should not even work anymore and should be pulled, no PTSN. It's all VOIP. Just a network connection.

edit: I suppose you could have them all connected by wire to the same VOIP connection. I can't see any downside to that beyond powering the old PTSN phones but have no experience in that department yet.
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Setanta wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 12:23am:
With phone lines, they should not even work anymore and should be pulled, no PTSN. It's all VOIP. Just a network connection.


Yep,

but, with FTTN NBN they have to use the old copper telephone wires from the node to where the copper enters the premises. From there it goes to the phone socket(s) inside the premises.

That's why you can see the NBN techs working with the wiring inside the 'torpedo' pillars with all the phone wiring for the street/area inside. The green NBN FTTN boxes are usually placed right next to or near to the 'torpedoes' so they can connect the phone wires to the node.

The place where I used to work got FTTN recently - earlier this year the manager and I spent several hours running a new ethernet cable from the foyer to where we worked on the first floor after it was recommended by Telstra.

When the NBN came to connect it up they said "nah, don't need that" and they just used the (probably) 50 year old telephone wiring instead. Funny thing was - it worked rather well, much to our surprise.

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wrong. They are using using cooax.
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Reply #35 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 1:51am
 
Coax is used with HFC (Hybrid Fibre/Coaxial) which is mainly for people with Telstra cable. A friend of mine had Telstra cable for 15 years which he used for Internet and Foxtel pay TV until he (and his entire suburb which was wired with coax 30 years ago) was changed to NBN HFC recently.

https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/network-technology

https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/network-technology/hybrid-fibre-coaxial-explained...

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An nbn™ Hybrid Fibre Coaxial (HFC) connection is used in circumstances where the existing ‘pay TV’ or cable network can be used to make the final part of the nbn™ access network connection. In this circumstance an HFC line will be run from the nearest available fibre node, to your premises.


Places with NBN FTTN have to use the existing copper phone lines from the nodes to the premises, they can replace their internal wiring with new phone cable or ethernet cable if they want to - and it is recommended to do so if the wiring is old or has multiple sockets in different rooms, etc.

https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/network-technology/fibre-to-the-node-explained-ft...

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An nbn™ Fibre to the Node (FTTN) connection is utilised where the existing copper phone and internet network from a nearby fibre node is used to make the final part of the connection to the nbn™ access network.

The fibre node is likely to take the form of a street cabinet. Each street cabinet will allow the nbn™ access network signal to travel over a fibre optic line from the exchange, to the cabinet, and connect with the existing copper network to reach your premises.



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Reply #36 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 9:58am
 
NBN is definitely targeting Lefties and Greenies to stop their anti Australian activities and propaganda.

This is the exact opposite of what Labor was planning to do.
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juliar wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 9:58am:
NBN is definitely targeting Lefties and Greenies to stop their anti Australian activities and propaganda.

This is the exact opposite of what Labor was planning to do.


It's okay socco....The Coalition have ensured the NBN is not fit for anything including spying on anyone....It is obsolete and not worth anything to anyone!!!

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Reply #38 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 10:38am
 
Philly is a Lefty being targeted and he is not happy.

Now Philly is to be dragged into the lower class of NBN service.



‘Digital divide’: NBN won’t cope with cutting-edge streaming services, experts warn
Isabelle Lane 10:24pm, Mar 20, 2019 Updated: 11:51am, Mar 22

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Australia's NBN meets "the needs of yesterday, not tomorrow", Dr Tama Leaver said. Photo: Youtube

From online gaming to e-health and education, the nation’s troubled broadband network has created a “digital divide” that means many Australians will be denied access to revolutionary technology, experts have warned.

Not yet complete, the mixed-technology national broadband network (NBN) is already dated, and will not be equipped to meet the requirements of cutting-edge online streaming services such as Google’s Stadia, leading researchers told The New Daily.

Dubbed a “Netflix for games”, the cloud-based video game streaming platform was unveiled on Wednesday, with gobsmacked industry experts saying it could bring an end to console-based video games.

Delivering console quality without the need for expensive hardware, users will be able to stream games at resolutions of up to 4K at 60 frames per second, and in future, up to 8K, Google said.

However, Curtin University associate professor of internet studies Tama Leaver said Australia’s flawed NBN will not be able to cope with the requirements of such a high-end streaming platform.

Read on to see how the lower NBN class will happen

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Reply #39 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 10:45am
 
juliar wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 10:38am:
Philly is a Lefty being targeted and he is not happy.

Now Philly is to be dragged into the lower class of NBN service.



‘Digital divide’: NBN won’t cope with cutting-edge streaming services, experts warn
Isabelle Lane 10:24pm, Mar 20, 2019 Updated: 11:51am, Mar 22

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Australia's NBN meets "the needs of yesterday, not tomorrow", Dr Tama Leaver said. Photo: Youtube

From online gaming to e-health and education, the nation’s troubled broadband network has created a “digital divide” that means many Australians will be denied access to revolutionary technology, experts have warned.

Not yet complete, the mixed-technology national broadband network (NBN) is already dated, and will not be equipped to meet the requirements of cutting-edge online streaming services such as Google’s Stadia, leading researchers told The New Daily.

Dubbed a “Netflix for games”, the cloud-based video game streaming platform was unveiled on Wednesday, with gobsmacked industry experts saying it could bring an end to console-based video games.

Delivering console quality without the need for expensive hardware, users will be able to stream games at resolutions of up to 4K at 60 frames per second, and in future, up to 8K, Google said.

However, Curtin University associate professor of internet studies Tama Leaver said Australia’s flawed NBN will not be able to cope with the requirements of such a high-end streaming platform.

Read on to see how the lower NBN class will happen

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Umm.. you do realize you've just posted something which further proves the absolute mess your beloved Liberal Party has made of the NBN, don't you?  Cheesy
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Reply #40 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 10:58am
 
CD anyone who starts a comment with umm or hmm immediately loses ALL credibility.

The Libs were stuck with the badly designed Labor Socialist Spying Network which was unachievable as it would have cost $200 billion and would take about 40 years to build.

So Moody Mal just tried to recover something from Labor's disastrous utter brothel.

Everything Labor touches turns to ****.
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Reply #41 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 11:05am
 
juliar wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 10:58am:
CD anyone who starts a comment with umm or hmm immediately loses ALL credibility.

The Libs were stuck with the badly designed Labor Socialist Spying Network which was unachievable as it would have cost $200 billion and would take about 40 years to build.

So Moody Mal just tried to recover something from Labor's disastrous utter brothel.

Everything Labor touches turns to ****.


Do you have anything apart from your imagination that comes up with this bullshit....Post some evidence to support your crap socco (never happen)....You are an embarrassment to Coalition supporters who at least try to tell the truth....The Labor network was not built it was sabotaged by inferior technology and short sighted political posturing....We now have a multi technology mix that is worthless and obsolete....It is not fiber to the home that has caused this disaster it is the obsolete technology the Coalition substituted....The Coalition own this mess and if I was a Conservative I would certainly not associate myself with a dickhead like you!!!

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Poor Philly just doesn't understand.

But is there hope for the targeted Lefties and Greenies on the horizon ?




Telstra Has A Bold Plan To Fix NBN Speeds And Pricing
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The NBN has never been popular with everyday Australians because many have found it unreliable and overpriced. What's more surprising is that Australia's biggest telco, Telstra, also isn't too fond of the network and has announced it's going to try and make pricing better for everyone.

In an official Telstra blog post, Telstra CEO Andrew Penn pointed to a study that found Australia was the second-most expensive country in the world when it came to wholesale broadband pricing for the 50 and 100-megabit service. For the 25-megabit service, Australia took the crown.

"Under the current nbn pricing these objectives, along with the overall sustainability of the industry, are increasingly at risk," Penn wrote.

"Wholesale broadband prices have more than doubled under the nbn and are set to go even higher. The consequence of this is that it is unprofitable for retail service providers to resell nbn at the current retail prices."

Australia's monthly payment for a 100-megabit plan was $65, according to the study conducted by Link Economics. This is about $30 more than the FTTN benchmark for other countries. These figures had been adjusted with Purchasing Power Parity to account for currency exchanges.

But Telstra has a plan
In order to encourage take up and sustainability of the NBN network, Telstra is proposing NBN Co lower the wholesale costs in order to give retailers better margins without relaying the costs back to the customer, us.

"Ultimately... fewer customers will connect to the nbn and an increasing number of customers will switch away – undermining the potential social and economic benefits the investment in the network was designed to deliver," Penn wrote in the post.

Telstra recommended the following to alleviate the situation:

Removal of the separate volume-based pricing charge (CVC).

Simpler single-point pricing for the standard nbn speed tiers (50/20 and 100/40) with prices reduced by around $20.

Lowering of the price for superfast services (250 Mbit and up) to under $100.

Introduction of a $10 per month voice-only service.

Introduction of a wholesale price discount for targeted vulnerable and low-income customers in need.

They argue with the way the NBN Co is going, once migration has completed, prices will only become more expensive for retailers and ultimately, end-user customers.


Read on here

https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2019/08/telstra-has-a-bold-plan-to-fix-nbn-pricing...
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Reply #43 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 11:13am
 
But is there worse to come ? will the 5G death ray be the answer ?



Why NBN's 'Netflix Tax' Could Be The Final Nail In Its Coffin
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Earlier this month, it was revealed NBN Co had started initial talks with ISPs about how they could chuck an extra fee on video streaming, according to Commsday and iTNews.

Naturally, all of Australia simultaneously freaked out because video streaming sites like Netflix, Stan and YouTube have become as much of a necessary part of daily life as food or maybe even oxygen.


So, while the conversation around net neutrality has been ongoing in the United States for years, it had finally arrived to Australian shores. But with the 5G rollout picking up speed, it's likely Australians would just move to this and other alternatives for their streaming needs.

Broken down simply, net neutrality is the idea that all internet traffic should be treated equally, regardless of what page you're loading. The NBN Co asked ISP retailers whether they would support a "price response" to "charging of streaming video" where it "could be differentiated from the charging of other traffic/services." An idea that, if implemented, would undermine net neutrality in Australia.

Read on here

https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2019/07/expert-warns-australians-will-move-to-5g-i...
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Reply #44 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 11:21am
 
Now who is the quickest ?



Australia's Fastest NBN Providers According To Old Mate ACCC
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Last week the ACCC released its most recent real-world NBN speed report, and it looks like TPG is the leader of the pack.

And in another spot of good news, the results across the board weren't too bleak.

The report confirmed that Aussie NBN providers are now serving up between 80.4% and 86.7% of maximum plan speeds during peak usage hours, which falls between 7pm and 11pm.

It contains data samples from nine of Australia's ISPs, with TPG once again reigning supreme. The company is managing to hit 86.7% of its plans max speeds during the busy evening period.

Discover them here

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2019/08/fastest-nbn-australia-accc/
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Reply #45 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 12:46pm
 
Carl D wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 1:51am:
Coax is used with HFC (Hybrid Fibre/Coaxial) which is mainly for people with Telstra cable. A friend of mine had Telstra cable for 15 years which he used for Internet and Foxtel pay TV until he (and his entire suburb which was wired with coax 30 years ago) was changed to NBN HFC recently.

https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/network-technology

https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/network-technology/hybrid-fibre-coaxial-explained...

Quote:
An nbn™ Hybrid Fibre Coaxial (HFC) connection is used in circumstances where the existing ‘pay TV’ or cable network can be used to make the final part of the nbn™ access network connection. In this circumstance an HFC line will be run from the nearest available fibre node, to your premises.


Places with NBN FTTN have to use the existing copper phone lines from the nodes to the premises, they can replace their internal wiring with new phone cable or ethernet cable if they want to - and it is recommended to do so if the wiring is old or has multiple sockets in different rooms, etc.

https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/network-technology/fibre-to-the-node-explained-ft...

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An nbn™ Fibre to the Node (FTTN) connection is utilised where the existing copper phone and internet network from a nearby fibre node is used to make the final part of the connection to the nbn™ access network.

The fibre node is likely to take the form of a street cabinet. Each street cabinet will allow the nbn™ access network signal to travel over a fibre optic line from the exchange, to the cabinet, and connect with the existing copper network to reach your premises.




No, incorrect. You are confused as to differrent types of coax. and no, they arent using copper in your house. Its not necassary.
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Reply #46 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 10:17pm
 
rhino wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 12:46pm:
Carl D wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 1:51am:
Coax is used with HFC (Hybrid Fibre/Coaxial) which is mainly for people with Telstra cable. A friend of mine had Telstra cable for 15 years which he used for Internet and Foxtel pay TV until he (and his entire suburb which was wired with coax 30 years ago) was changed to NBN HFC recently.

https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/network-technology

https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/network-technology/hybrid-fibre-coaxial-explained...

Quote:
An nbn™ Hybrid Fibre Coaxial (HFC) connection is used in circumstances where the existing ‘pay TV’ or cable network can be used to make the final part of the nbn™ access network connection. In this circumstance an HFC line will be run from the nearest available fibre node, to your premises.


Places with NBN FTTN have to use the existing copper phone lines from the nodes to the premises, they can replace their internal wiring with new phone cable or ethernet cable if they want to - and it is recommended to do so if the wiring is old or has multiple sockets in different rooms, etc.

https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/network-technology/fibre-to-the-node-explained-ft...

Quote:
An nbn™ Fibre to the Node (FTTN) connection is utilised where the existing copper phone and internet network from a nearby fibre node is used to make the final part of the connection to the nbn™ access network.

The fibre node is likely to take the form of a street cabinet. Each street cabinet will allow the nbn™ access network signal to travel over a fibre optic line from the exchange, to the cabinet, and connect with the existing copper network to reach your premises.




No, incorrect. You are confused as to differrent types of coax. and no, they arent using copper in your house. Its not necassary.


I guessing Carl and I are talking/thinking about different coax to what you are. It seems both of us were thinking HFC. The last leg of the NBN is still copper into your home.

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Reply #47 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 10:36pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 10:17pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 12:46pm:
Carl D wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 1:51am:
Coax is used with HFC (Hybrid Fibre/Coaxial) which is mainly for people with Telstra cable. A friend of mine had Telstra cable for 15 years which he used for Internet and Foxtel pay TV until he (and his entire suburb which was wired with coax 30 years ago) was changed to NBN HFC recently.

https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/network-technology

https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/network-technology/hybrid-fibre-coaxial-explained...

Quote:
An nbn™ Hybrid Fibre Coaxial (HFC) connection is used in circumstances where the existing ‘pay TV’ or cable network can be used to make the final part of the nbn™ access network connection. In this circumstance an HFC line will be run from the nearest available fibre node, to your premises.


Places with NBN FTTN have to use the existing copper phone lines from the nodes to the premises, they can replace their internal wiring with new phone cable or ethernet cable if they want to - and it is recommended to do so if the wiring is old or has multiple sockets in different rooms, etc.

https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/network-technology/fibre-to-the-node-explained-ft...

Quote:
An nbn™ Fibre to the Node (FTTN) connection is utilised where the existing copper phone and internet network from a nearby fibre node is used to make the final part of the connection to the nbn™ access network.

The fibre node is likely to take the form of a street cabinet. Each street cabinet will allow the nbn™ access network signal to travel over a fibre optic line from the exchange, to the cabinet, and connect with the existing copper network to reach your premises.




No, incorrect. You are confused as to differrent types of coax. and no, they arent using copper in your house. Its not necassary.


I guessing Carl and I are talking/thinking about different coax to what you are. It seems both of us were thinking HFC. The last leg of the NBN is still copper into your home.

Coax is copper, so yes. But not POTS copper.
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Reply #48 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 11:20pm
 
rhino wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 10:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 10:17pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 12:46pm:
Carl D wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 1:51am:
Coax is used with HFC (Hybrid Fibre/Coaxial) which is mainly for people with Telstra cable. A friend of mine had Telstra cable for 15 years which he used for Internet and Foxtel pay TV until he (and his entire suburb which was wired with coax 30 years ago) was changed to NBN HFC recently.

https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/network-technology

https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/network-technology/hybrid-fibre-coaxial-explained...

Quote:
An nbn™ Hybrid Fibre Coaxial (HFC) connection is used in circumstances where the existing ‘pay TV’ or cable network can be used to make the final part of the nbn™ access network connection. In this circumstance an HFC line will be run from the nearest available fibre node, to your premises.


Places with NBN FTTN have to use the existing copper phone lines from the nodes to the premises, they can replace their internal wiring with new phone cable or ethernet cable if they want to - and it is recommended to do so if the wiring is old or has multiple sockets in different rooms, etc.

https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/network-technology/fibre-to-the-node-explained-ft...

Quote:
An nbn™ Fibre to the Node (FTTN) connection is utilised where the existing copper phone and internet network from a nearby fibre node is used to make the final part of the connection to the nbn™ access network.

The fibre node is likely to take the form of a street cabinet. Each street cabinet will allow the nbn™ access network signal to travel over a fibre optic line from the exchange, to the cabinet, and connect with the existing copper network to reach your premises.




No, incorrect. You are confused as to differrent types of coax. and no, they arent using copper in your house. Its not necassary.


I guessing Carl and I are talking/thinking about different coax to what you are. It seems both of us were thinking HFC. The last leg of the NBN is still copper into your home.

Coax is copper, so yes. But not POTS copper.


It's certainly the copper we have now(no nbn here yet) that will be the last leg. That is the whole point of saving money running fibre into the home. If they were to replace that it may as well be with fibre. We will get fibre to the curb, the rest into our home will be the old telephone(ptsn) copper. Lucky for us we don't get nodes, it will be vdsl2 from the curb over the existing copper line which is hopefully not that bad. I believe the hardware being installed is g.fast running in vdls2 mode so it's upgradeable.
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Reply #49 - Aug 17th, 2019 at 9:35pm
 
Here's an interesting read about what the Liberals have done to the NBN:

https://theqlder.com/2019/05/11/how-the-liberals-sabotaged-the-nbn/

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Reply #50 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 8:50am
 
Carl D wrote on Aug 17th, 2019 at 9:35pm:
Here's an interesting read about what the Liberals have done to the NBN:

https://theqlder.com/2019/05/11/how-the-liberals-sabotaged-the-nbn/

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Reply #51 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 9:19am
 
Carl D wrote on Aug 17th, 2019 at 9:35pm:
Here's an interesting read about what the Liberals have done to the NBN:

https://theqlder.com/2019/05/11/how-the-liberals-sabotaged-the-nbn/

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