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Three of Europe's biggest economies in recession
Aug 12th, 2019 at 12:02am
 
Collateral damage from Trump's trade war in the case of Germany. Trumpery in the case of the UK Brexit folly, and continuing financial incompetence from Italy with some contagion from Germany.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/germany-italy-uk-are-headed-for-...

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Three of Europe's biggest economies are probably in recession — and the ECB is out of bullets
Yusuf Khan
Aug. 10, 2019, 03:03 AM
Reuters/Jason Cairnduff
Three of Europe's largest economies — Germany, Italy, and the UK — are either in recession or are on the verge of it, which could spell danger for the eurozone.
Germany, Europe's industrial backbone, is stuttering. The unemployment rate has risen for the second time in three months.
The UK economy contracted for the first time since 2012, as output fell 0.2% in April to June.
Italy's debt crisis is only being made worse by political uncertainty.
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Europe could be about to hit a crisis, as three of its largest economies are tanking at the same time. What's more, the European Central Bank looks like it's out of bullets to fire the economy up.
What happened?
Germany is Europe's biggest economy. Germany is very much reliant on foreign exports, which means that it's a victim of slowing global trade from the China-US trade war.


On Wednesday, Germany reported that industrial production declined 1.5% month on month in June. According to Oxford Economics, "All the main sectors, excluding construction, fell over the month as trade tensions continued to impact the sector."
In Q2 industrial production fell 1.9% quarter on quarter, which the economists said is "the largest quarterly decline since 2012."
"Our German GDP indicator now points to a contraction in Q2," as factory orders decline, it said. 
That is having an affect on jobs. HSBC chief economist Stefan Schilbe wrote in a recent note that unemployment had risen in July, the second increase in three months. The slowdown, as Schilbe put it, is beginning to "leave a (modest) mark on the labor market."
Oxford Economics/Haver Analytics

The UK is not faring much better.
The UK economy contracted for the first time since 2012 in Q2, a clear sign of the effects of the uncertainty "no-deal" Brexit is having on the UK economy.
"Confidence over the health of the UK economy was dealt a gut-wrenching blow this morning," Lukman Otunuga, Senior Research Analyst at FXTM, said on Friday.
Business investment has fallen for five of the past six quarters.
"The economy has been propped up instead by the government and households," Ranko Berich, Head of Market Analysis at Monex Europe, said in a note on Friday. "This is a plainly unsustainable situation for the economy, and highlights the extent to which Brexit has already taken a significant toll."


The pound fell 0.4% against the US dollar on the news.
"Today's disappointing GDP figure is set to raise alarm bells over Brexit dragging the UK economy deeper into the abyss. This unfavourable scenario may prompt the Bank of England to cut interest rates sooner than anticipated, in an effort to revive the UK economy," Otunuga said.
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Italy, meanwhile, is having a tumultuous time of its own.
On Friday, Italy's deputy prime minister called for a no-confidence vote in its government. It sent markets plunging, and bond yields rocketing, 17 basis points to 0.225%.


Italian debt to GDP is over 130% — historically high — and it doesn't look like it'll improve.
"There is little that Italy's government can do to prevent its debt ratio from rising. For a number of reasons, not least of which is its membership of the eurozone, the three paths to debt reduction – faster GDP growth, fiscal austerity, and higher inflation – are either closed off or likely to be ineffective. Accordingly, we think that Italy will eventually be forced into a debt restructuring or outright default," Capital Economics said.
Capital Economics, Reinhart & Rogoff (2011), “From Financial Crash to Debt Crisis”, IMF, Refinitiv.
Can the ECB do anything to save this mess?
Not really.

The European Central Bank will likely cut rates in September and ease the pressure on Europe by loosening policy, but it probably won't do the trick.
Interest rates are already negative, at -0.4%. Going further negative would create logistical problems that might, counterintuitively, reduce further bank lending (because banks would lose money by doing so). The ECB doesn't have many weapons in its arsenal to provide a stimulus to Europe.
As a result, Europe looks pretty stuck.   
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Re: Three of Europe's biggest economies in recession
Reply #1 - Aug 12th, 2019 at 12:30am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 12th, 2019 at 12:02am:
Collateral damage from Trump's trade war in the case of Germany. Trumpery in the case of the UK Brexit folly, and continuing financial incompetence from Italy with some contagion from Germany.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/germany-italy-uk-are-headed-for-...

Quote:
Three of Europe's biggest economies are probably in recession — and the ECB is out of bullets
Yusuf Khan
Aug. 10, 2019, 03:03 AM
Reuters/Jason Cairnduff
Three of Europe's largest economies — Germany, Italy, and the UK — are either in recession or are on the verge of it, which could spell danger for the eurozone.
Germany, Europe's industrial backbone, is stuttering. The unemployment rate has risen for the second time in three months.
The UK economy contracted for the first time since 2012, as output fell 0.2% in April to June.
Italy's debt crisis is only being made worse by political uncertainty.
View markets Insider for more stories.
Europe could be about to hit a crisis, as three of its largest economies are tanking at the same time. What's more, the European Central Bank looks like it's out of bullets to fire the economy up.
What happened?
Germany is Europe's biggest economy. Germany is very much reliant on foreign exports, which means that it's a victim of slowing global trade from the China-US trade war.


On Wednesday, Germany reported that industrial production declined 1.5% month on month in June. According to Oxford Economics, "All the main sectors, excluding construction, fell over the month as trade tensions continued to impact the sector."
In Q2 industrial production fell 1.9% quarter on quarter, which the economists said is "the largest quarterly decline since 2012."
"Our German GDP indicator now points to a contraction in Q2," as factory orders decline, it said. 
That is having an affect on jobs. HSBC chief economist Stefan Schilbe wrote in a recent note that unemployment had risen in July, the second increase in three months. The slowdown, as Schilbe put it, is beginning to "leave a (modest) mark on the labor market."
Oxford Economics/Haver Analytics

The UK is not faring much better.
The UK economy contracted for the first time since 2012 in Q2, a clear sign of the effects of the uncertainty "no-deal" Brexit is having on the UK economy.
"Confidence over the health of the UK economy was dealt a gut-wrenching blow this morning," Lukman Otunuga, Senior Research Analyst at FXTM, said on Friday.
Business investment has fallen for five of the past six quarters.
"The economy has been propped up instead by the government and households," Ranko Berich, Head of Market Analysis at Monex Europe, said in a note on Friday. "This is a plainly unsustainable situation for the economy, and highlights the extent to which Brexit has already taken a significant toll."


The pound fell 0.4% against the US dollar on the news.
"Today's disappointing GDP figure is set to raise alarm bells over Brexit dragging the UK economy deeper into the abyss. This unfavourable scenario may prompt the Bank of England to cut interest rates sooner than anticipated, in an effort to revive the UK economy," Otunuga said.
Pantheon Macroeconomics
Italy, meanwhile, is having a tumultuous time of its own.
On Friday, Italy's deputy prime minister called for a no-confidence vote in its government. It sent markets plunging, and bond yields rocketing, 17 basis points to 0.225%.


Italian debt to GDP is over 130% — historically high — and it doesn't look like it'll improve.
"There is little that Italy's government can do to prevent its debt ratio from rising. For a number of reasons, not least of which is its membership of the eurozone, the three paths to debt reduction – faster GDP growth, fiscal austerity, and higher inflation – are either closed off or likely to be ineffective. Accordingly, we think that Italy will eventually be forced into a debt restructuring or outright default," Capital Economics said.
Capital Economics, Reinhart & Rogoff (2011), “From Financial Crash to Debt Crisis”, IMF, Refinitiv.
Can the ECB do anything to save this mess?
Not really.

The European Central Bank will likely cut rates in September and ease the pressure on Europe by loosening policy, but it probably won't do the trick.
Interest rates are already negative, at -0.4%. Going further negative would create logistical problems that might, counterintuitively, reduce further bank lending (because banks would lose money by doing so). The ECB doesn't have many weapons in its arsenal to provide a stimulus to Europe.
As a result, Europe looks pretty stuck.   

Yusuf would know which countries are in actual recession.
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Reply #2 - Aug 12th, 2019 at 12:40am
 
Johnnie wrote on Aug 12th, 2019 at 12:30am:
Yusuf would know which countries are in actual recession.


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Reply #3 - Aug 12th, 2019 at 12:45am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 12th, 2019 at 12:40am:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 12th, 2019 at 12:30am:
Yusuf would know which countries are in actual recession.


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Reply #4 - Aug 12th, 2019 at 7:24am
 
Ever since the capitalist scum caused global financial meltdown of 2008, all the major international economic organizations have been warning protectionism and competitive currency devaluations must be avoided at all costs. Of course, such warnings have been based on the understanding that such measures played a crucial role in the 1930s in deepening the Great Depression and creating the conditions for the eruption of World War II.

Now the proscription against protectionist tariff measures has well and truly gone by the board as far as America gives a crap. Not only has the F A T orange puke and his goon administration imposed tariffs on hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth of Chinese made crap, the F A T orange puke has made it clear that tariffs will be used as a crucial instrument in advancing its economic agenda everywhere.

The F A T orange puke will bankrupt world economies.

As for the capitalist scum that is the European Union they want to involve themselves in negotiations with America over a trade deal under the threat that if it does not accede to Washington’s demands, particularly on agriculture, then a 25 percent auto tariff will be imposed on “national security” grounds.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense

Interestingly enough that threat extends to Japan, which is also involved in bilateral trade negotiations with the F A T orange puke, a situation Prime Minister Shinzo Abe sought to prevent, rightly fearing it would give Washington all it needs. No wonder Abe wants to blow Trump.

There is no question of a marked slowdown in the global economy—the signs of which are already apparent in Europe, China, Southeast Asia and in the US itself, where business investment and manufacturing are in decline - all thanks to the F A T orange puke. He has set off a dog-eat-dog struggle for markets, with no end or hope in sight.

So when the F A T orange puke labels China a “currency manipulator,” this only speaks of a clear indications of the shift to such a policy. The F A T orange puke  has railed against the US Federal Reserve for not lowering interest rates fast enough in order to counter the effects of a fall in the value of the euro and the renminbi. The F A T orange puke has been saying the Fed’s actions have placed him at a disadvantage in dealing with the European Union and China. Roll Eyes

So as it stands right now the shift towards currency warfare is not confined to the administration. Last week, a piece of legislation was introduced in the US Senate, jointly sponsored both Rethuglicans and Wall Street Democrats aimed at lowering the value of the US dollar.

They have already gave it a name: "The Competitive Dollar for Jobs and Prosperity Act" declaring it would “manage the US dollar exchange rate” and bring it into alignment by placing a “market access charge” on foreign purchases of US stocks, bonds and other capitalist assets giving indication of which way the economic winds are blowing.
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Reply #5 - Aug 12th, 2019 at 7:29am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 12th, 2019 at 12:40am:
Xeej knows his ʇᴉɥs.



How god damn difficult is it to understand that currency wars, tariffs and most of all, sanctions is nothing more than financial extortion? The F A T orange puke is using them as a form of economic warfare to achieve political hegemony.

The sanctions in Venezuela and Iran imposed by the F A T orange puke are resulting in more than 40,000 deaths from starvation and lack of medicine - not "socialism."  A rogue state that slaughters numerous populations deploying financial warfare will soon find its FIAT currency worthless.

Then we will all be in something far more serious then a recession.
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Reply #6 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 6:08am
 
Marla wrote on Aug 12th, 2019 at 7:29am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 12th, 2019 at 12:40am:
Xeej knows his ʇᴉɥs.



How god damn difficult is it to understand that currency wars, tariffs and most of all, sanctions is nothing more than financial extortion? The F A T orange puke is using them as a form of economic warfare to achieve political hegemony.

The sanctions in Venezuela and Iran imposed by the F A T orange puke are resulting in more than 40,000 deaths from starvation and lack of medicine - not "socialism."  A rogue state that slaughters numerous populations deploying financial warfare will soon find its FIAT currency worthless.

Then we will all be in something far more serious then a recession.


Venezuela was a flaming turd long before the orange puke took office.
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Reply #7 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 7:47am
 
Down East wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 6:08am:
Venezuela was a flaming turd long before the orange puke took office.



Shut the f-k up stupid hippie sock puppet.
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Reply #8 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 7:10pm
 
Marla wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 7:47am:
Down East wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 6:08am:
Venezuela was a flaming turd long before the orange puke took office.


Do you always respond this way when presented with facts?


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Reply #9 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 8:04pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Aug 12th, 2019 at 12:45am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 12th, 2019 at 12:40am:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 12th, 2019 at 12:30am:
Yusuf would know which countries are in actual recession.


Xeej knows his ʇᴉɥs.

Yusuf has a crystal ball and a flying carpet, the economists speak highly of him.

Yeah, we all want to get our bearings from a ' Yusuf Khan' with no public profile info, not just the throbbing negroid-head loon ...... Tongue Tongue Tongue
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Reply #10 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 9:52pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 8:04pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 12th, 2019 at 12:45am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 12th, 2019 at 12:40am:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 12th, 2019 at 12:30am:
Yusuf would know which countries are in actual recession.


Xeej knows his ʇᴉɥs.

Yusuf has a crystal ball and a flying carpet, the economists speak highly of him.

Yeah, we all want to get our bearings from a ' Yusuf Khan' with no public profile info, not just the throbbing negroid-head loon ...... Tongue Tongue Tongue


Are you off your usual sources, the back of public toilet doors and Yadda?
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