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If you say it quickly....
Aug 11th, 2019 at 7:49am
 

If you say it quickly....

....its OK to say; "I'm a proud moslem. I'm a follower of ISLAM."




....its OK to say; "I'm a proud moslem. And i'm a person who lives within a proud and vibrant community."



Its OK for the follower of ISLAM to say those things - in our society.

And we 'make it OK', for a follower of ISLAM, to associate, everything that he is, with ISLAM....

Just so long as it is ONLY the follower of ISLAM who is permitted to control the [public] perception of what ISLAM is.


"ISLAM ES PAZ"


IMAGE.....
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Just so long as no one is allowed to scrutinise and to publicly and openly criticise the precepts of ISLAM.


'.....Just like in muslim countries.'



But, if open scrutiny and open criticism of the precepts of ISLAM is permitted....

....ISLAM is easily recognised, as an unjust and cruel, and violent philosophy.

And, as a morally indefensible philosophy.




Everything depends [in an open society], upon the right of those who observe ISLAM,
to be permitted to scrutinise and openly criticise the precepts of ISLAM.




QUESTION;
In an open society, should we, anyone, be permitted to openly and publicly express an opinion or an argument [without fear of being falsely denigrated] ?

I guess that answer to that question, depends upon what we believe, fundamentally.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #1 - Aug 11th, 2019 at 10:15pm
 
Yadda, do you agree that the West's propping up of Saudi Arabia has led to the spread of Wahhabist ideology throughout the world?
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Reply #2 - Aug 12th, 2019 at 5:11pm
 
Why is it always somebody else's fault?

Wahhabist ideology is fully supported in the qur'an and muhammads thoughts deeds and teachings.

Fundamentalists always were and always will be, part and parcel of islam.

islam needs to change, not the west the east etc.etc., islam has to renounce and purge the cause and motivation for all the atrocities past and present, that are going on around the globe in the name of allah.
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Reply #3 - Aug 12th, 2019 at 5:41pm
 



@ Reply #1,


What moses said.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #4 - Aug 12th, 2019 at 7:19pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 12th, 2019 at 5:11pm:
Why is it always somebody else's fault?

Wahhabist ideology is fully supported in the qur'an and muhammads thoughts deeds and teachings.

Fundamentalists always were and always will be, part and parcel of islam.

islam needs to change, not the west the east etc.etc., islam has to renounce and purge the cause and motivation for all the atrocities past and present, that are going on around the globe in the name of allah.


Because we can control only what we do. We can't control what other people believe.

American foreign policy has contributed in some part to the rise and proliferation of Islamic extremism throughout the world. We need to stop supporting Saudi Arabia and start supporting moderates in the Islamic world.

This has been going on for decades. The American government supported Zia Ul-Haq in Pakistan against the Soviets in the war in Afghanistan. Zia Ul-Haq implemented sharia law in Pakistan.
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Reply #5 - Aug 13th, 2019 at 2:15pm
 
We do what is best for us in any given situation. (I wouldn't want it any other way)

It's islams' fault, that it has a doctrine which 100% supports Wahhabist ideology, it's entirely up to the muzzies to take responsibility for the imperfect hate filled ranting of a thief liar pedophile rapist torturer and mass murderer muhammad.

They have to renounce and purge the evil in their *sacred* teachings, so the shameful present day state of affairs of islam are finally put to rest.

The one single peaceful solution to this problem the entire globe faces, is precisely: muslims must renounce and purge the evil they worship in the qur'an.
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Reply #6 - Aug 13th, 2019 at 7:59pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 13th, 2019 at 2:15pm:
We do what is best for us in any given situation. (I wouldn't want it any other way)

It's islams' fault, that it has a doctrine which 100% supports Wahhabist ideology, it's entirely up to the muzzies to take responsibility for the imperfect hate filled ranting of a thief liar pedophile rapist torturer and mass murderer muhammad.

They have to renounce and purge the evil in their *sacred* teachings, so the shameful present day state of affairs of islam are finally put to rest.

The one single peaceful solution to this problem the entire globe faces, is precisely: muslims must renounce and purge the evil they worship in the qur'an.


This is honestly what conservatives should do, immediately.

Advocate an immediate change in foreign policy to support moderate regimes and to bolster support for actual democracies around the world. Or, completely withdraw from interventionist policies overseas.

Then, if Islamic fundamentalism continues to rise, then the Left won't have a leg to stand on since they can no longer blame the West or talk about 'policy'.

Why do you think no one blames the United States or Britain for the rise of Nazism? Because those countries didn't have a foreign policy that supported or facilitated Nazism. It was purely ideological.

Stay out and let the world implode on itself.
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Reply #7 - Aug 13th, 2019 at 8:11pm
 
All Moslems are Terrorists.

...until they get their own Messiah, to die for their sins.

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Reply #8 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 3:36pm
 
Auggie wrote:
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This is honestly what conservatives should do, immediately.

Advocate an immediate change in foreign policy to support moderate regimes and to bolster support for actual democracies around the world. Or, completely withdraw from interventionist policies overseas.

Then, if Islamic fundamentalism continues to rise, then the Left won't have a leg to stand on since they can no longer blame the West or talk about 'policy'.

Why do you think no one blames the United States or Britain for the rise of Nazism? Because those countries didn't have a foreign policy that supported or facilitated Nazism. It was purely ideological.

Stay out and let the world implode on itself.


The world is well is going to implode.

Unfortunately we have to interact with certain aspects of global behaviour, simply to survive and go about our daily business.

None of this has anything to do with religious ideology.

islamic terrorism is ideological terrorism, the only true way to fight islamic terrorism is to address the ideology (qur'an).

islamic ideology which promotes muslim supremacy, hatred rape torture and mass murder, has to be renounced and purged.

It's as simple as that, however the muzzies and their loony leftard supporters fight this tooth and nail, as they are well aware that destroying the evil in islam will cause islam to implode in a heartbeat.

Truth is the enemy of islam, that's why all the lies and excuses take place, muzzies and loony lefties desperately trying to avoid islam taking responsibility for its' own self-caused problems.
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