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Re: Coalition's desperation with fuel reserves
Reply #15 - Aug 8^th, 2019 at 1:53am

Energy security is part of national security - apparently our government(s) know nothing of such things..... selling us all out to the global market makes governments here the greatest danger to this nation's national security.

Just saying it straight....

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Re: Coalition's desperation with fuel reserves
Reply #16 - Aug 8^th, 2019 at 2:01am

Valkie wrote on Aug 6^th, 2019 at 5:39pm:

The sad part is, we have plenty of oil.

But our idiot, self centred , corrupt politicians and public servants have sold it all off and cl9sed all our processing plants so that we rely on overpriced, sub standard oils.

The gas is just as bad
We pay more for the gas than those overseas buying it

There needs to be a royal commission and the traitors shot at sunrise.
Then we can re-elect a whole new bunch.

Last night on the ABC, I heard that Morrison was starting a rant about reserving gas for Australian use - seems they are realising, in Canberra, that we are selling gas to anyone else at cut rates, and then allowing the 'global economy' to charge us top dollar for our own gas that never leaves our shores* - up to double or more and sometimes a hell of a lot more - for OUR gas.

I'll wait for the outcome, though...

*What kind of idiot would sign up to a deal that allowed someone from the tax haven nation of Farofoutahia to take out resources into their 'economy', and then give it back to us at a vastly inflated price? Would we allow a single foreign nation to do that? Why then do we permit a global nation without borders to do the exact same? Are Australians so stupid that they cannot recoup their own resources and then sell them on the open market, but must instead rely on some rapacious 'global economy' to do the work?

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Re: Coalition's desperation with fuel reserves
Reply #17 - Aug 8^th, 2019 at 5:19am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 8^th, 2019 at 2:01am:

Valkie wrote on Aug 6^th, 2019 at 5:39pm:

The sad part is, we have plenty of oil.

But our idiot, self centred , corrupt politicians and public servants have sold it all off and cl9sed all our processing plants so that we rely on overpriced, sub standard oils.

The gas is just as bad
We pay more for the gas than those overseas buying it

There needs to be a royal commission and the traitors shot at sunrise.
Then we can re-elect a whole new bunch.

Last night on the ABC, I heard that Morrison was starting a rant about reserving gas for Australian use - seems they are realising, in Canberra, that we are selling gas to anyone else at cut rates, and then allowing the 'global economy' to charge us top dollar for our own gas that never leaves our shores* - up to double or more and sometimes a hell of a lot more - for OUR gas.

I'll wait for the outcome, though...

*What kind of idiot would sign up to a deal that allowed someone from the tax haven nation of Farofoutahia to take out resources into their 'economy', and then give it back to us at a vastly inflated price? Would we allow a single foreign nation to do that? Why then do we permit a global nation without borders to do the exact same? Are Australians so stupid that they cannot recoup their own resources and then sell them on the open market, but must instead rely on some rapacious 'global economy' to do the work?

It's termed corruption
Senior public servants, politicians and multinationals meet in a secure place
They give brown paper bags worth hundreds of thousands of dollars to the corrupt politicians and public servants, so that the multinationals can rape us for billions.

Find out exactly who signed off on this deal
Shot them at dawn
Take all of their asserts and give them to the poor and tell the multinationals to go f#$k themselves

But this will never happen, they are all corrupt.
Every single one of them

I wonder how they plan to get around the $10,000.00 max cash payment exercise.
Probably have some hidden clause relating to political bribes.

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Coalition's desperation with fuel reserves Reply #18 - Aug 8^th, 2019 at 7:56am Basically the Libs are still undoing the colossal damage done to Australia by Labor during their six sick years of Socialist waste and disgrace and shame.
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19617 Perth Gender:	Re: Coalition's desperation with fuel reserves Reply #19 - Aug 8^th, 2019 at 9:04am The Coalition were warned about this years ago....Now it is everyone else's fault apart from the Government....Why have these dickheads in power if they will not take responsibility for anything???
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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Coalition's desperation with fuel reserves Reply #20 - Aug 8^th, 2019 at 9:21am Well hexspurt Philly your beloved Labor never did anything about it.
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Re: Coalition's desperation with fuel reserves
Reply #21 - Aug 8^th, 2019 at 10:08am

juliar wrote on Aug 8^th, 2019 at 9:21am:

Well hexspurt Philly your beloved Labor never did anything about it.

What has Labor got to do with it Liar....The Coalition are in power and must take responsibility for what happens when they are in control of the rudder....It is becoming a pattern with the Coalition taking no responsibility or action and blaming everyone else....If the Coalition took action when it was needed there would be no crisis!!!

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Coalition's desperation with fuel reserves Reply #22 - Aug 8^th, 2019 at 10:31am juliar wrote on Aug 8^th, 2019 at 7:56am: Basically the Libs are still undoing the colossal damage done to Australia by Labor during their six sick years of Socialist waste and disgrace and shame. False. Gas prices only started rising in 2016.
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Re: Coalition's desperation with fuel reserves
Reply #23 - Aug 8^th, 2019 at 12:00pm

Valkie wrote on Aug 8^th, 2019 at 5:19am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 8^th, 2019 at 2:01am:

Valkie wrote on Aug 6^th, 2019 at 5:39pm:

The sad part is, we have plenty of oil.

But our idiot, self centred , corrupt politicians and public servants have sold it all off and cl9sed all our processing plants so that we rely on overpriced, sub standard oils.

The gas is just as bad
We pay more for the gas than those overseas buying it

There needs to be a royal commission and the traitors shot at sunrise.
Then we can re-elect a whole new bunch.

Last night on the ABC, I heard that Morrison was starting a rant about reserving gas for Australian use - seems they are realising, in Canberra, that we are selling gas to anyone else at cut rates, and then allowing the 'global economy' to charge us top dollar for our own gas that never leaves our shores* - up to double or more and sometimes a hell of a lot more - for OUR gas.

I'll wait for the outcome, though...

*What kind of idiot would sign up to a deal that allowed someone from the tax haven nation of Farofoutahia to take out resources into their 'economy', and then give it back to us at a vastly inflated price? Would we allow a single foreign nation to do that? Why then do we permit a global nation without borders to do the exact same? Are Australians so stupid that they cannot recoup their own resources and then sell them on the open market, but must instead rely on some rapacious 'global economy' to do the work?

It's termed corruption
Senior public servants, politicians and multinationals meet in a secure place
They give brown paper bags worth hundreds of thousands of dollars to the corrupt politicians and public servants, so that the multinationals can rape us for billions.

Find out exactly who signed off on this deal
Shot them at dawn
Take all of their asserts and give them to the poor and tell the multinationals to go f#$k themselves

But this will never happen, they are all corrupt.
Every single one of them

I wonder how they plan to get around the $10,000.00 max cash payment exercise.
Probably have some hidden clause relating to political bribes.

Brown paper bags aren't counted... under the table... gently moved across by foot so nobody sees - hence the term 'kickback'... though the recipient never kicks it back....

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Re: Coalition's desperation with fuel reserves
Reply #24 - Aug 9^th, 2019 at 9:35am

Basically the Libs are still undoing the colossal damage done to Australia by Labor during their six sick years of Socialist waste and disgrace and shame.

The useless Labor imbeciles never did anything about the fuel shortage because they were too busy wasting money on useless Socialist rubbish and on their NeverBuiltNetwork Socialist Spying Network.

Fortunately ScoMo is on good terms with Trumpy.

If silly Shorty was there Trumpy would have told him to go jump after Shorty said Trump was barking mad.

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Re: Coalition's desperation with fuel reserves
Reply #25 - Aug 15^th, 2019 at 10:11am

juliar wrote on Aug 9^th, 2019 at 9:35am:

Basically the Libs are still undoing the colossal damage done to Australia by Labor during their six sick years of Socialist waste and disgrace and shame.

The useless Labor imbeciles never did anything about the fuel shortage because they were too busy wasting money on useless Socialist rubbish and on their NeverBuiltNetwork Socialist Spying Network.

Fortunately ScoMo is on good terms with Trumpy.

If silly Shorty was there Trumpy would have told him to go jump after Shorty said Trump was barking mad.

Faceless nonsense.

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Re: Coalition's desperation with fuel reserves
Reply #26 - Aug 15^th, 2019 at 10:13am

And now for some truth from Wilkie:

Government cooking the books on oil security

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5 Aug, 2019

Independent Member for Clark, Andrew Wilkie, will comment on the Government’s short-sighted decision to buy oil from the US, a move that will do nothing to genuinely ensure Australia’s energy security.

“The Federal Government would like us to believe that they’re acting to fix our energy security crisis by negotiating to ‘buy’ oil from America,” Mr Wilkie said.

“But the Government’s being disingenuous. This oil won’t be in Australia but in the US and all Australia will be getting is some sort of promise we’ll be able to access it in an emergency.

“In other words the Government is cooking the books. The only way in which our fuel reserves will be boosted is on a balance sheet. Adding to the problem is the Government’s equally bizarre attempt to alter international energy accounting practices by counting oil aboard ships in transit as part of our reserve. It’s patently obvious that you can’t count any oil as on-hand until it’s landed safely in Australia.

“Not irrelevant is the fact that the oil could well be unrefined and beyond Australia’s paltry production capacity seeing as seven of our 11 refineries are now shut down.

“Moreover the oil, in some cases, will take three weeks or more to get to Australia when we only have two weeks’ reserve of some fuel types by some estimates. It also relies on the goodwill of the US, but Donald Trump can’t be trusted to honour agreements at the best of times, particularly if there was a global shock and we actually needed to access this oil.

“Accessing US reserves also relies on access to foreign-flagged vessels, which are obviously not guaranteed at any times but particularly in a time of crisis.

“This is just another example of Australia not genuinely acting in our own self-interest. It’s beyond time that we forged a more independent foreign and security policy and bolstering our energy security should be part of that.”

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Re: Coalition's desperation with fuel reserves
Reply #27 - Aug 15^th, 2019 at 6:44pm

Emphasizes the need for the Union Bashing Bill to go thru to lower the cost of living and make Australia more attractive to business.

And also emphasizes the need to move onto the HYDROGEN ENERGY REVOLUTION to reduce dependency on imported fuel caused by the unions making oil refining to expensive here in Australia and also their following the LIMA Agreement.

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Re: Coalition's desperation with fuel reserves
Reply #28 - Aug 15^th, 2019 at 8:04pm

juliar wrote on Aug 15^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

Emphasizes the need for the Union Bashing Bill to go thru to lower the cost of living and make Australia more attractive to business.

Only after the inevitable recession burns through the Liberals' wreckage to leave the Australian economy in ashes. There is no surer way to bring on a recession in Australia right now than to screw over workers even harder with decreasing wages. Wallets would slam tightly shut all over the country and into recession we would go.

And that recession would hit HARD.

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Coalition's desperation with fuel reserves Reply #29 - Aug 16^th, 2019 at 11:34am Bammy still longs for Labor reducing Australia to grovelling in the world.
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