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Why Do We Subsidise Private Health Insurance
Jul 20th, 2019 at 8:43am
 
Don't expect governments to fix the hodgepodge that is our private health system

Canberra Times
July 20 2018
The Grattan Institute asked a pertinent question this week: why do we subsidise private health insurance? It offered a couple of sound policy suggestions, but they completely missed the political mark. 

Coalition governments have offered incentives for people to take out private insurance and penalties if they do not.   Sad

But it is foolish to imagine that in creating these policy mixes, the Fraser and Howard governments were interested in the greatest good for the greatest number or the most equitable and efficient health system achievable.


To the contrary. They have only been interested in a two-tier system. The Fraser Coalition government wanted to reverse the Whitlam government's universal health insurance scheme and went a long way to doing so.

The Hawke government reintroduced it and 11 years later even the dumbest voter realised Medicare was such a good thing that the Coalition could not abolish it. But it could undermine it.

Undermining universal health insurance is in the Coalition's DNA. Mainly because it wants to appeal to those voters who want to feel superior, to jump the queue and to pay for special treatment which is denied the riff-raff.

Undermining public education is in the Coalition's DNA for the same reason.

A very cunning way to amplify this undermining is to subsidise the private provision of health and education, so that public money goes in to undermining the public system.

For example, $6 billion a year goes into tax rebates for people who take out private insurance. People are further blackmailed into taking out private insurance by the threat of a Medicare surcharge for people on high incomes and the threat of higher premiums for people turning 30 who do not take out insurance.   Sad

Governments on both sides, but particularly the Coalition, have either frozen Medicare payments to doctors and specialists or failed to increase them in line with inflation or the wage index.

Health policy is such a hodgepodge that both these policies have grievously backfired from a Coalition perspective. They were meant to bolster the private system. Instead, the payments squeeze has resulted in higher gap fees by specialists, making people wonder if private insurance is worthwhile.

Having paid premiums to get to the head of the queue, they find another hurdle: a specialist demanding a gap fee so prohibitively large they cannot afford it and have to join the public queue anyway.   Sad

And people who failed to get insurance when they turned 30 have now become less likely to take it up later because they would face penalty premiums.

Further, Labor when in government has been too scared of a voter backlash if it abolished private insurance, or abolished subsidies for it or any public contribution to those using it. So we have a hodgepodge.

The Grattan Institute's Stephen Duckett, a former head of the federal Department of Health, and co-author Kristina Nemet quite correctly pointed out that successive governments have failed to decide whether private insurance should be a substitute for public insurance or complementary to it.

Of course they have not, for the reasons stated above.

But do not expect the federal government to do anything about it. Health is too much of a political hot potato.



Rather, expect specialists to continue to charge exorbitantly. Expect insurers to continue to increase premiums at a rate higher than wage increases, with the inevitable result that it becomes unaffordable for more people. Expect the funds to exclude more procedures (especially less urgent stuff) and to charge higher excesses. Expect more healthy people to opt out of private cover, pressuring the funds to increase premiums still higher.

However, in a way this is fine. The more people opt out of the private system and rely on the public system, the more governments will be pressured to improve it. Indeed, if everyone opted out of private insurance tomorrow, overall we would be better off.

For a start, there would be $6 billion a year saved in tax rebates.

Most people are not aware of how small private premiums are in the overall cost of the health system - just 8.8 per cent. It is hardly worth having.

Further it is an extra con trick because those with private insurance pay the most out-of-pocket payments. Out-of-pocket expenses are nearly double the amount of premiums, at 16.5 per cent of the cost of the health system.

So having been blackmailed, cajoled, scared and lured into paying private health insurance premiums, they get stung almost twice as much again in out-of-pocket expenses. Meanwhile, the shareholders and senior executives of private funds laugh all the way to the bank.

The federal government will sit idle. The states might help a bit, as they have been doing in other areas of federal impotence - global heating; electric vehicles; Indigenous recognition and so on. Thank heavens we have a federation.

But health is too big for the states.

We should answer the Grattan Institute's question: should private health insurance be a substitute for or complementary to the public system?

The answer should be neither.

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Reply #1 - Jul 20th, 2019 at 8:45am
 
We cant all afford private health insurance.   Sad
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Reply #2 - Jul 20th, 2019 at 9:03am
 
it's a scam and should be made illegal.

no other business does the govt. penalise you for not using their services.
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Reply #3 - Jul 20th, 2019 at 9:20am
 
The Coalition government's slow move on privatising all of healthcare.

No PHI ends up penalising people on tax.  Not quite a free market choice.
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Reply #4 - Jul 20th, 2019 at 9:25am
 
stunspore wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 9:20am:
The Coalition government's slow move on privatising all of healthcare.

No PHI ends up penalising people on tax.  Not quite a free market choice.



i refuse to pay it on principle ... i'd rather pay more tax
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Reply #5 - Jul 20th, 2019 at 10:29am
 
Private health rebates are only a vote buying tool. The punters think they're getting something for nothing. In reality, the insured services are rather inelastic and the subsidy merely pushes up the price as demand increases. The rise in price being equal to the value of the subsidy. One of the very best examples of poor public policy but nevertheless a fantastic sales tool.

Ditto for subsidised child care.

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Reply #6 - Jul 20th, 2019 at 11:14am
 
I paid it years ago but it kept going up and never got any value out of it as medicare covered everything I needed at the time. Sounds like it is still a racket today Sad

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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.
 
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Reply #7 - Jul 20th, 2019 at 11:32am
 
The costs have skyrocketed because of surgeons and doctors charging too much.

Many live like multi millionaires all off the misery of their patients
who have no choice but to pay the outrageous fees.

An anesthetist can charge well over $1,000 for 20 minutes of work.
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Reply #8 - Jul 20th, 2019 at 3:30pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 11:32am:
The costs have skyrocketed because of surgeons and doctors charging too much.

Many live like multi millionaires all off the misery of their patients
who have no choice but to pay the outrageous fees.

An anesthetist can charge well over $1,000 for 20 minutes of work.


If the stupid brain dead australian gov had any sense it would run the health system like the poms do with their NHS. NO GOV MONEY FOR PRIVATE ENTERPRISE AT ALL !! NO GAP, NO NOTHING, NOT A SINGLE PENNY TO THEM !! ALL GOV MONEY FOR HEALTH GOES TO THE PUBLIC SYSTEM. NO GET RICH SCHEMES FOR PRIVATE SCAMMERS !! YOU DON'T BECOME A DOCTOR TO MAKE MONEY IN THE UK. YOU DO IT FOR THE SAME REASON PEOPLE JOIN THE ARMED FORCES. THEY DO IT TO SERVE THE PEOPLE AND THE COUNTRY !

Somehow the convict mentality has crept into the health system here and it is arttracting scam artists Sad


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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.
 
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Reply #9 - Jul 20th, 2019 at 3:41pm
 
With the massive unfunded tax cuts the Coalition has forced though the Parliament, it has given Labor a compelling reason to abolish the PHI subsidies and other wealthfare when next in office. Whether they seize this opportunity remains to be seen.
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Reply #10 - Jul 20th, 2019 at 5:11pm
 
Bam wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 3:41pm:
With the massive unfunded tax cuts the Coalition has forced though the Parliament, it has given Labor a compelling reason to abolish the PHI subsidies and other wealthfare when next in office. Whether they seize this opportunity remains to be seen.


They won't. The economic argument makes sense. Selling it would be suicidal.
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Reply #11 - Jul 20th, 2019 at 5:13pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 11:32am:
The costs have skyrocketed because of surgeons and doctors charging too much.

Many live like multi millionaires all off the misery of their patients
who have no choice but to pay the outrageous fees.

An anesthetist can charge well over $1,000 for 20 minutes of work.


You can thank one of the most powerful unions in the country for that. The Royal College of Surgeons are just the CFMEU with stethoscopes.
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Reply #12 - Jul 20th, 2019 at 5:15pm
 
Awww. A Good example of the Medical Industry being stuck in the 'USA' version and not providing the appropriate 'Australian' system.

I fly to Oceania next door and get far cheaper Medical Care and Operations if needed and it really feels like a 'holiday' over there.  Cool
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Reply #13 - Jul 20th, 2019 at 5:53pm
 
crocodile wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 5:11pm:
Bam wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 3:41pm:
With the massive unfunded tax cuts the Coalition has forced though the Parliament, it has given Labor a compelling reason to abolish the PHI subsidies and other wealthfare when next in office. Whether they seize this opportunity remains to be seen.


They won't. The economic argument makes sense. Selling it would be suicidal.

No need to sell it. Just save the nasties for the first Budget after the change of government election. That's how the Coalition do it - they did worse in the 2014 Budget, they've won two elections since.
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Reply #14 - Jul 20th, 2019 at 6:14pm
 
crocodile wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 5:13pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 20th, 2019 at 11:32am:
The costs have skyrocketed because of surgeons and doctors charging too much.

Many live like multi millionaires all off the misery of their patients
who have no choice but to pay the outrageous fees.

An anesthetist can charge well over $1,000 for 20 minutes of work.


You can thank one of the most powerful unions in the country for that. The Royal College of Surgeons are just the CFMEU with stethoscopes.



It's a form of blackmail -
they have your life in their hands so they charge whatever the feel like.
The Govt. needs to step in and make set charges
that are illegal to increase.
These medical people are taking us all for a ride.

What if electricity workers did the same?
pay us double or we turn Australia's electricity off.
Hold on double?
No - make it 5 times our current wages.
No - make it 10 times!
You can't live without us - you'll all die without electricity.
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