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Re: DP World To Shed 200 Wharfies As Dispute Escalates
Reply #15 - Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:28am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18th, 2019 at 11:29pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 18th, 2019 at 8:32pm:
cods wrote on Jul 18th, 2019 at 6:58pm:
yes the years of the robots  we already have driverless trains.....its whats ahead...


Trucking and taxis alone represent 10 % of American jobs.
What will happen in rich tech countries like America, Japan, Scandinavian countries , Korea, is that most people will get a UBI ( universal basic income) paid for by the high tech and extremely profitable companies.

And that will work if you have say, Silicon Valley sending money to Detroit.

There are still 2 major problems.

People are going to have to find meaning in their lives without a business giving them tasks.
They are going to have to create their own meaning.
That's actually pretty hard.
Because contribution and responsibility provide meaning that makes you noble
And pleasuring yourself and being lazy does not provide meaning and debases people.

So society is going to have to make people aware that contribution is nesseccary for your own mental health even when it is no longer neccessary for the economy because robotics, AI and machine learning are doing all that for us.

The second major problem is that the jobless in Australia or the US are going to be quite happy for Facebook and google and amazon to give them cash but how do they feel about the global super profitable companies giving tax revenue to billions of similarly displaced Indians, Mexicans, Nigerians, Indonesians.
Because those countries are facing the most massive job losses ( our job losses are to a good extent behind us)

When governments start to rely on apple and google and Microsoft to fund stuff are citizens in the US and Australia going to be happy with a UBI that is truly global.
In a global economy with global companies  which are in every country, citizens of Australia probably can't justify a higher pay then citizens of India or Mexico.
You can say we are a " high wage country" but when people are no longer on a wage, that arguement evaporates.


In a global world, you don't get more than an Indian or Mexican .
Sorry to break it to you , but that was always where globalism was headed.

It may even be that borders will evaporate.
The paradox is the left want to tear down borders but they also think you can have a higher income for the citizens .
Sorry , but that's just wish fulfilment and fantasy


All those nations will die and there will be masses of produce sitting idle - just like the cause of The Great  Depression....

Thank you for alerting the general populace that we are headed for endemic poverty and desperation ... and that the time to act is NOW!

Take up your arms, brothers.....



Take up arms is actually the wrong message grappler

When a system becomes chaotic we need to examine it very carefully and expertly and try to rectify what is going wrong

I would liken out current situation to being in a military helicopter that is now spiralling out of control
I would liken your call to take up arms to a passenger in said helicopter grabbing a hammer and starting to smash the control panel of the chopper thinking this may rectify the situation.
It won't

What we need is 4 people to engage their brains in the spirit of contribution and work tirelessly to come up with solutions

Coming up with the solution Of a revolution requires no work and about 10 minutes of thought

These problems can all be solved but only by people who are willing to get up every morning pick up their Cross and walk with purpose and without complaint up the steep Hill also known as The narrow road to success Wink
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Re: DP World To Shed 200 Wharfies As Dispute Escalates
Reply #16 - Jul 19th, 2019 at 11:30am
 
Praise the Lord!!  Aqua's HillSong Sermons are so inspiring.  Praise the Lord!!!!!

Doesn't help the unionists who have just lost their jobs though because the dopey union told them to go on STRIKE!!!!!
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Reply #17 - Jul 20th, 2019 at 10:50am
 
Wharfies continue strike in Fremantle

Canberra Times July 20 2019

Wharfies are continuing industrial action against DP World Australia, saying the stevedoring company is refusing to negotiate a resolution to stalled workplace agreement talks.   Sad

Maritime Union of Australia members will walk off the job in Fremantle for 24 hours from Saturday morning.

Sydney wharfies did so for 48 hours on Thursday and Friday, while 350 Brisbane wharfies staged a series of one-hour strikes at the start of every shift.

The action follows a series of stoppages that shut DP World container terminals for between 48 and 96 hours last week, involving more than 1800 wharfies in Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane and Fremantle.

Workers at all four terminals are continuing indefinite bans on overtime, shift extensions and more.

"Rather than bargain, management have basically told workers to withdraw their claims entirely and accept the company's offer or there will be no agreement," MUA assistant national secretary Warren Smith said.   Sad

"We simply will not do this."

The company confirmed on Thursday that about 200 wharfies will lose their job at ports in Melbourne and Sydney.

That comes on top of 50 jobs being slashed in Melbourne earlier this week.

"In the absence of significant negotiation progress over the past nine months, the company must push on and address the impact of volume losses," chief operating officer Andrew Adam said.

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Re: DP World To Shed 200 Wharfies As Dispute Escalates
Reply #18 - Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:06pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:28am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18th, 2019 at 11:29pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 18th, 2019 at 8:32pm:
cods wrote on Jul 18th, 2019 at 6:58pm:
yes the years of the robots  we already have driverless trains.....its whats ahead...


Trucking and taxis alone represent 10 % of American jobs.
What will happen in rich tech countries like America, Japan, Scandinavian countries , Korea, is that most people will get a UBI ( universal basic income) paid for by the high tech and extremely profitable companies.

And that will work if you have say, Silicon Valley sending money to Detroit.

There are still 2 major problems.

People are going to have to find meaning in their lives without a business giving them tasks.
They are going to have to create their own meaning.
That's actually pretty hard.
Because contribution and responsibility provide meaning that makes you noble
And pleasuring yourself and being lazy does not provide meaning and debases people.

So society is going to have to make people aware that contribution is nesseccary for your own mental health even when it is no longer neccessary for the economy because robotics, AI and machine learning are doing all that for us.

The second major problem is that the jobless in Australia or the US are going to be quite happy for Facebook and google and amazon to give them cash but how do they feel about the global super profitable companies giving tax revenue to billions of similarly displaced Indians, Mexicans, Nigerians, Indonesians.
Because those countries are facing the most massive job losses ( our job losses are to a good extent behind us)

When governments start to rely on apple and google and Microsoft to fund stuff are citizens in the US and Australia going to be happy with a UBI that is truly global.
In a global economy with global companies  which are in every country, citizens of Australia probably can't justify a higher pay then citizens of India or Mexico.
You can say we are a " high wage country" but when people are no longer on a wage, that arguement evaporates.


In a global world, you don't get more than an Indian or Mexican .
Sorry to break it to you , but that was always where globalism was headed.

It may even be that borders will evaporate.
The paradox is the left want to tear down borders but they also think you can have a higher income for the citizens .
Sorry , but that's just wish fulfilment and fantasy


All those nations will die and there will be masses of produce sitting idle - just like the cause of The Great  Depression....

Thank you for alerting the general populace that we are headed for endemic poverty and desperation ... and that the time to act is NOW!

Take up your arms, brothers.....



Take up arms is actually the wrong message grappler

When a system becomes chaotic we need to examine it very carefully and expertly and try to rectify what is going wrong

I would liken out current situation to being in a military helicopter that is now spiralling out of control
I would liken your call to take up arms to a passenger in said helicopter grabbing a hammer and starting to smash the control panel of the chopper thinking this may rectify the situation.
It won't

What we need is 4 people to engage their brains in the spirit of contribution and work tirelessly to come up with solutions

Coming up with the solution Of a revolution requires no work and about 10 minutes of thought

These problems can all be solved but only by people who are willing to get up every morning pick up their Cross and walk with purpose and without complaint up the steep Hill also known as The narrow road to success Wink


When opportunity is removed for virtually everyone to climb that narrow road to success, such as by being forcibly transplanted into some mythical global economy that only prospers a few, or when all work is done by machines without any corresponding paid free time for humans - there is little to no chance of anyone climing that narrow road.

Furthermore, my point is that a fully automated production system will fall due to lack of customers.... if nobody has money to buy - what use is it increasing productivity by employing only machines?  All you will end up with is a massive stockpile of unsellable product, and will inevitably be forced to sell off at a fire sale ...

Relying on a never-ending increase in the human population to bail you out of such a dead-end philosophy of business will not work either* - those humans will begin to die out due to not enough cash etc and growing poverty and worsening conditions of life... not to mention over-crowding and the coming wars....

*precisely the philosophy entertained by our political masters with their never-ending and increasing population growth at the national level ... doomed to failure and an overall lowering of life conditions for the many to suit the few... again...  Cool
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Re: DP World To Shed 200 Wharfies As Dispute Escalates
Reply #19 - Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:25pm
 
juliar wrote on Jul 18th, 2019 at 11:32pm:
Praise the Lord!!  Aqua's HillSong Sermons are so inspiring.  Praise the Lord!!!!!

Doesn't help the unionists who have just lost their jobs though because the dopey union told them to go on STRIKE!!!!!


Did you read the article ? The employer side is saying that 200 will be made redundant and explained it is because of a shift in the market over the past few years. i.e. this was going to happen anyway if you believe them.

It is about management incompetence where they cannot make a profit with a virtual monopoly.
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Reply #20 - Jul 22nd, 2019 at 4:53pm
 
Cheese being held up seems so fitting for the cheesy union propaganda parrot BlackDay as he squawks the rousing STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE!!! 

Unfortunately this doesn't help the blokes losing their jobs because the redundant union old white men fools told them to go on STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE!!!!!

Wonder if Shorty supports them, the unions NOT the workers ?

If Labor had gotten in STRIKES like this would be an everyday occurrence as the Greenies try to close down all industry in Australia.




TVs, cheese, wine in limbo as wharfies walk out over automation plans
By Anna Patty and Zach Hope July 10, 2019 — 5.36pm

Imported white goods and new televisions along with shipments of dairy products, meat and wine intended for overseas customers will be left stranded for days at Melbourne's docks after wharfies walked off the job on Wednesday.

About 600 Melbourne workers for DP World Australia have joined nearly 1200 others from Sydney and Fremantle in the action to protect their jobs from automation and the outsourcing of labour.


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Dock workers in Melbourne walked off the job on Wednesday.CREDIT:AAP

The Melbourne action began on Wednesday and will run for 96 hours.

‘‘During the three-month negotiation period we asked them to come back to us but at the expiry of that period they had not given us any definitive proposals for Melbourne.

"Progress was made in Sydney, but we are yet to have any definitive proposals agreed with the workforce.’’

Under the company proposal, a worker would make up for an unworked Sunday shift by working another Sunday shift or 2½ weekdays when Sunday penalty rates are taken into account. A night shift is equivalent to two weekdays and a Saturday shift is worth 1½ weekdays.

Mr Smith said his members had patiently tried to reach a resolution and had held off taking industrial action for three months.

“This major escalation of industrial action is about sending a clear message to management that the safety, dignity, and job security of wharfies are absolutely non-negotiable," he said.

Martime Union of Australia assistant national secretary Warren Smith said the union accepted the need to mitigate against cancellation of shifts and associated idle work time but was concerned about the roster system being open to ‘‘company manipulation’’.

He said workers were concerned about an ‘‘open slather’’ approach to the cancellation of Sunday shifts and expectation that people would work 2½ days to make up for that one day.

‘‘In Melbourne, you’d frequently get Sundays cancelled,’’ Mr Smith said.‘‘We’ve gone some way to dealing with the problem, but the company won’t come to the party on it.

Mr Adam said on Wednesday afternoon that reports that urgent medical supplies had also been held up in terminals were incorrect.

‘‘We have had no information brought to our attention that there were any urgent medical supplies held up in a terminal,’’ he said.

DPWA said the industrial action would cause "significant disruption" to customers and its broader supply chain of shippers, exporters and importers.

"DPWA employees will also be unnecessarily and avoidably impacted by these lost earnings,”  Mr Adam said.

The industrial action, approved by the Fair Work Commission during a period of enterprise bargaining, follows the expiry of a three-month ceasefire agreement between DPWA and the MUA. The union says the company wanted to cut jobs, work rights and existing conditions, including income protection.

“We will not roll over and accept an unfair agreement, we won’t accept unilateral attacks on workplace rights and conditions, and we won’t stand by while outsourcing and automation are used to axe quality jobs," Mr Smith said.

“We are fully committed to reaching an agreement as quickly as possible, however we will not sell our conditions, compromise our core claims, or undermine industry standards to do it."

Mr Smith said the company had unnecessarily escalated the conflict earlier this year when it unilaterally stripped workers of income protection insurance.

DP World Australia said it was disappointed the maritime branch of the Construction, Forestry, Maritime, Mining and Energy Union had escalated its industrial action at a time when shipping lines were reviewing stevedore contracts. It said the union had "continued to demonstrate an alarming refusal to acknowledge the commercial reality of the intense competition from automated competitors".

“The company has put forward its position and the union must now make appropriate concessions to their extensive list of claims,” Mr Adam said.




https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/tvs-cheese-wine-in-limbo-as-wharfies-wa...
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Reply #21 - Jul 23rd, 2019 at 12:59am
 
Revealed!!! What the union propaganda parrot BlackDay and the unions are REALLY campaigning for:-

The Phase IV project of Yangshan Port in Shanghai, the largest automated container terminal in the world, is due to begin operations on Sunday.

The port can operate unmanned because of its automated management systems, and for the first time in China, customs inspection and clearance can be done automatically by machines.


Watch the man replacers in operation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDCAzne6cTE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E--R0r4RBEs
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