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Reply #30 - Jul 16th, 2019 at 4:51pm
 
juliar wrote on Jul 15th, 2019 at 9:31pm:
who really cares as Scomo's job is to make Australia big and strong and powerful.

Why are you not shocked at Scummo's connections to kiddy fiddlers?
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You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.
 
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Reply #31 - Jul 16th, 2019 at 6:54pm
 
Bam wrote on Jul 16th, 2019 at 4:51pm:
juliar wrote on Jul 15th, 2019 at 9:31pm:
who really cares as Scomo's job is to make Australia big and strong and powerful.

Why are you not shocked at Scummo's connections to kiddy fiddlers?


Because it is expected or a requirement?
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Reply #32 - Jul 16th, 2019 at 7:47pm
 
Bam wrote on Jul 16th, 2019 at 4:51pm:
juliar wrote on Jul 15th, 2019 at 9:31pm:
who really cares as Scomo's job is to make Australia big and strong and powerful.

Why are you not shocked at Scummo's connections to kiddy fiddlers?


I wasn't shocked.

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Reply #33 - Jul 16th, 2019 at 8:06pm
 
is alphabet numbers actually defending this bloke?

Unbuggerenbelievable.
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Our esteemed leader:

I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
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Reply #34 - Jul 17th, 2019 at 11:01am
 
Raven wrote on Jul 15th, 2019 at 7:44pm:
Our PM shared a stage with him.

Last year, a Royal Commission found that a Pentecostal leader covered up the abuse of a seven-year-old. Scott Morrison wilfully shared a stage with him. His apathy toward victims is painfully clear.

On July 5, Prime Minister Scott Morrison and his wife Jenny stood on a stage beside Pastor Brian Houston, a Pentecostal religious leader censured last year by the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sex Abuse for covering up the sexual abuse of a seven-year-old boy, abuse that continued for five years. The occasion was a Hillsong church conference, and Morrison used the opportunity to call for more love in Australia, and less judgement. Morrison has a long association with Brian Houston and described him in his maiden speech to parliament as his mentor.

The abuse concealed from authorities by Houston was perpetrated by his father, Frank now deceased, also a pastor and a founder of the Hillsong church. The Royal Commission found that Houston the younger failed to follow the church’s own protocol on the abuse of children, did not support the victim, and failed to notify police of his father’s crimes. Indeed, Houston is reported to have told the victim it was his own fault for “coming on to” Frank.

In the last six months two former Liberal Prime Ministers, John Howard and Tony Abbott, publicly demonstrated their support for convicted child sex abuser Cardinal George Pell. This support included a glowing character reference to the court from Howard, and phone calls from Abbott to Pell in jail. Abbott also declared that Pell’s conviction was a “devastating result” for Catholics. Abbott has a long relationship with Pell, whom he has described as his “colleague and mentor.”

It  is somewhat unnerving that three Liberal Prime Ministers have sought the counsel of men who are deeply involved in the sexual abuse of children, either as the perpetrator, protector of the perpetrator, or in Pell’s case, both. What is even more unnerving is that not one of the three Prime Ministers has seen fit to distance himself from the accused men, despite the allegations being proven in the case of Pell, and admitted in the case of Houston. None of the Prime Ministers appears to have the slightest compunction about acknowledging their long and ongoing personal relationships with these men, for whom they continue to profess admiration, respect and esteem.

Indeed, so comfortable with his mentor is Scott Morrison that he and his wife publicly prayed with him at a televised event.

What this deliberately public support implies is that the Prime Ministers do not believe the victims, or perhaps, even worse, they do believe the victims, but regard the crimes committed against them as irrelevant. Let’s not forget these are Prime Ministers we’re talking about, the leading legislators in the country. All three of them admit to having sought advice, political and spiritual, two from Pell and one from Houston.

If the leader of your country consorts with those who have committed or concealed child sexual abuse, how can your country ever be safe for you? The Prime Ministers have given permission for anyone to disbelieve you, and this leads us into a narrative with which survivors are heartbreakingly familiar.

A tone is set by the Prime Ministers. It becomes the zeitgeist. It says, powerful men or men embraced by powerful men can do anything they like, and it will be overlooked. This is the belief of our time, a belief that is evident far beyond the circumstances of child sexual abuse, but is perhaps most horrifyingly distilled in that specific circumstance.

According to this report, police re-opened their investigation into Houston’s handling of the sex crimes committed by his father in 2018. It is simply not credible to think that the Morrisons are unaware of this situation. They choose to overlook it. We watch as our Prime Minister and his wife worship with a man who concealed sexual crimes against small children.

The friendship, trust and very public support of a Prime Minister, current or past, are powerful weapons of normalisation. In standing side by side with Brian Houston, Scott and Jenny Morrison have resoundingly contributed to the normalisation of Houston’s failure to properly act against a perpetrator of sexual crimes.

Sadly, we seem to lack any political voice powerful enough to challenge this moral collapse.



as always, the truth is a bit short on in this comment. the TRUTH is that it wasnt just 'someone'. it was his father. If you think you wouldnt bend a few rules or principles in defence of your own family then you probably dont have one. Of course, what he did was wrong, but also quite understandable.

Also, one of the basic principles of Christianity is forgiveness. And you re lambasting someone for their inadequate handling of someone ELSES crimes.

ScoMo is a good person. Houston is a good person. sex crimes tend to tarnish those close to it. In the meantime, those criticizing it themselves cover up other crimes. Hypocrisy is alive and well.
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Reply #35 - Jul 17th, 2019 at 11:03am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 11:01am:
ScoMo is a good person. Houston is a good person.


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Reply #36 - Jul 17th, 2019 at 1:17pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 11:03am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 11:01am:
ScoMo is a good person. Houston is a good person.


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then criticise them in detail. Dont criticise because you dont like their politics or their religion. Criticise actual behaviour. Trying to defend your father is very understandable. Wrong, but hardly a despicable crime.
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Reply #37 - Jul 17th, 2019 at 3:18pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 1:17pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 11:03am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 11:01am:
ScoMo is a good person. Houston is a good person.


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then criticise them in detail. Dont criticise because you dont like their politics or their religion. Criticise actual behaviour. Trying to defend your father is very understandable. Wrong, but hardly a despicable crime.


His conduct is no better than that which Hollingsworth was accused of.  It is a nothing that it was his Father who was the arsehole.  Hollingsworth would legitimately claim a close collegiate relationship with those scum bag Priests.  Nah.  The bloke sought to secrete abuse and Morrison stands shoulder to shoulder to him, knowing of that guilt.

Forgiveness, you plead.  Whaaat?  How about the PM forgive those bastards who have been caught with their hand in the welfare cookie jar.....etc etc etc?
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And Indian women aren't exactly LBFMs..yuk.

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Reply #38 - Jul 17th, 2019 at 4:50pm
 
Religion sucks, brother.
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Reply #39 - Jul 17th, 2019 at 8:35pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 11:03am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 11:01am:
ScoMo is a good person. Houston is a good person.


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Reply #40 - Jul 17th, 2019 at 10:29pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 11:01am:
as always, the truth is a bit short on in this comment. the TRUTH is that it wasnt just 'someone'. it was his father. If you think you wouldnt bend a few rules or principles in defence of your own family then you probably dont have one. Of course, what he did was wrong, but also quite understandable.

Also, one of the basic principles of Christianity is forgiveness. And you re lambasting someone for their inadequate handling of someone ELSES crimes.

ScoMo is a good person. Houston is a good person. sex crimes tend to tarnish those close to it. In the meantime, those criticizing it themselves cover up other crimes. Hypocrisy is alive and well.


Houston is a good person? Do you think the family of the victim considers the man who tried to cover up the rape a good person? Do you think a good person would say it was the 7 year old's fault that they got raped because they seduced the rapist? Because that's what Houston did.

Now Raven is not arguing that Morrison is a bad person. But the standards for him are different to everyday Australians. He is the leader of this country and to have the leader of a nation actively consort with a man who deliberately covered up the rape of a small child  should not be acceptable.

Everything the PM says or does sends some kind of message. In this instance the message the PM is sending to victims of child abuse is  "I don't care."
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Reply #41 - Jul 19th, 2019 at 8:31am
 
Raven wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 10:29pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 11:01am:
as always, the truth is a bit short on in this comment. the TRUTH is that it wasnt just 'someone'. it was his father. If you think you wouldnt bend a few rules or principles in defence of your own family then you probably dont have one. Of course, what he did was wrong, but also quite understandable.

Also, one of the basic principles of Christianity is forgiveness. And you re lambasting someone for their inadequate handling of someone ELSES crimes.

ScoMo is a good person. Houston is a good person. sex crimes tend to tarnish those close to it. In the meantime, those criticizing it themselves cover up other crimes. Hypocrisy is alive and well.


Houston is a good person? Do you think the family of the victim considers the man who tried to cover up the rape a good person? Do you think a good person would say it was the 7 year old's fault that they got raped because they seduced the rapist? Because that's what Houston did.

Now Raven is not arguing that Morrison is a bad person. But the standards for him are different to everyday Australians. He is the leader of this country and to have the leader of a nation actively consort with a man who deliberately covered up the rape of a small child  should not be acceptable.

Everything the PM says or does sends some kind of message. In this instance the message the PM is sending to victims of child abuse is  "I don't care." 


Essentially, Houston's "crime" is not reporting his father to police.

Who'd do that?
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