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Reply #75 - Jul 22nd, 2019 at 9:12am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 9:28am:
Gnads wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:48am:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:25pm:
Yes. Why climb it?
I climbed the Himalaya's (6800m) and I was embarressed by all the 'rubbish' in the Everest valley and around Everest Base Camp (lots more around the bases of many Mountains). Did you see that clip a few months back of how 12 climbers died in one period where there was a few hundred metres of a line-up near the summit packed with climbers waiting for their 15mins of sumit fame? Pretty sad really.
With people dying and freaks doing nude climbs - I kinda don't blame the 'Protectors of the Land' (cuz Whitey don't) wanting to stop the stupidity.

From above. Uluru (not that boring Christianised name) is shaped like a human heart and now it has an ugly trodden path 'scar' upon it.


Shaped like a diseased heart more like it.

You're probably a Hindmarsh Island believer that it looks like a womens pubic area from the air(which it does not) .... secret womens business ey? As if they would have known way back what it looked like from the air. Roll Eyes

And Ayres Rock has more natural lines across it than scars from walking tracks.  Roll Eyes




That's not what the secret women's business is about.

I'm not in the least surprised that you are sadly misinformed.


That was one of the reasons given when the initial complaints went in to stop a bridge being built.

And if you're such a knowall how about you extrapolate or provide a link to show my misinformation?
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Reply #76 - Jul 22nd, 2019 at 9:14am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 2:53pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 2:52pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 2:48pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 2:33pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 9:28am:
Gnads wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:48am:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:25pm:
Yes. Why climb it?
I climbed the Himalaya's (6800m) and I was embarressed by all the 'rubbish' in the Everest valley and around Everest Base Camp (lots more around the bases of many Mountains). Did you see that clip a few months back of how 12 climbers died in one period where there was a few hundred metres of a line-up near the summit packed with climbers waiting for their 15mins of sumit fame? Pretty sad really.
With people dying and freaks doing nude climbs - I kinda don't blame the 'Protectors of the Land' (cuz Whitey don't) wanting to stop the stupidity.

From above. Uluru (not that boring Christianised name) is shaped like a human heart and now it has an ugly trodden path 'scar' upon it.


Shaped like a diseased heart more like it.

You're probably a Hindmarsh Island believer that it looks like a womens pubic area from the air(which it does not) .... secret womens business ey? As if they would have known way back what it looked like from the air. Roll Eyes

And Ayres Rock has more natural lines across it than scars from walking tracks.  Roll Eyes




That's not what the secret women's business is about.

I'm not in the least surprised that you are sadly misinformed.

Wasn't that found to be a big load of crap Mothra?


Ultimately no. But they still built the bridge.

Yes it was. Even many of the local aboriginal women backed away from the claims.



No Hammer. Upon a second trial, the story was deemed not to be fabricated

And not many, a few.


It was.... it was schemed up by white SJWs.
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Reply #77 - Jul 22nd, 2019 at 9:17am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 3:10pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 3:09pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 3:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 3:00pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 2:53pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 2:52pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 2:48pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 2:33pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 9:28am:
Gnads wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:48am:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 19th, 2019 at 6:25pm:
Yes. Why climb it?
I climbed the Himalaya's (6800m) and I was embarressed by all the 'rubbish' in the Everest valley and around Everest Base Camp (lots more around the bases of many Mountains). Did you see that clip a few months back of how 12 climbers died in one period where there was a few hundred metres of a line-up near the summit packed with climbers waiting for their 15mins of sumit fame? Pretty sad really.
With people dying and freaks doing nude climbs - I kinda don't blame the 'Protectors of the Land' (cuz Whitey don't) wanting to stop the stupidity.

From above. Uluru (not that boring Christianised name) is shaped like a human heart and now it has an ugly trodden path 'scar' upon it.


Shaped like a diseased heart more like it.

You're probably a Hindmarsh Island believer that it looks like a womens pubic area from the air(which it does not) .... secret womens business ey? As if they would have known way back what it looked like from the air. Roll Eyes

And Ayres Rock has more natural lines across it than scars from walking tracks.  Roll Eyes




That's not what the secret women's business is about.

I'm not in the least surprised that you are sadly misinformed.

Wasn't that found to be a big load of crap Mothra?


Ultimately no. But they still built the bridge.

Yes it was. Even many of the local aboriginal women backed away from the claims.



No Hammer. Upon a second trial, the story was deemed not to be fabricated

And not many, a few.

So explain to me how aboriginal women said the island looks like a pussy from the air?


That wasn't cited as the reason it was of significance, more confirmation to the Ngarrindjeri that indeed the island represents what they believed it did.

You are aware that land formations hold specific mythology? Well, in this case, the fact that they felt the island looked like a women's reproductive parts just confirmed what they felt it was all about.

It wasn't a reason ... it was corroboration.

rubbish. look it up.


i was there.


Figures ... you helped the fabrication.... after the fact.

I've looked .... it doesn't look anything like what has been suggested.
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Reply #78 - Jul 22nd, 2019 at 9:23am
 
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:24pm:
Sadly Gnads you are a tad lacking in knowing that a lot of Aboriginal Art was done from the viewpoint of 'the sky' looking down as many works were 'Maps' and as they were 'artistic' they were not exacted as if illustrated by a survey team from the current era. In fact, with all their FARMING areas of fertile abundance (even areas where Whiteys considered them 'deserts' long ago - but the Colonialists got a lot of things 'wrong' for centuries) - they made the entire continent a living 'Artwork'.
...whitey can only come up with an Bridge and Opera house thanks to foreigners mostly in high positions.

One doesn't need to be Aboriginal to consider Uluru (a far unique sounding name unlike Ayers Rock  Roll Eyes) something sacred or of importance for those 'born' here.


I was born here Noddy.

And Aboriginals didn't make maps. they drew story lines.

And using the sky/stars has nothing to do with being able to see what something looks like from an aerial perspective.

Don't tell me.... Aboriginals flew on giant flying marsupials?  Grin

And I didn't say they couldn't or don't consider a geographical location sacred.
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Reply #79 - Jul 22nd, 2019 at 9:30am
 
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:44pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:41pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:24pm:
Sadly Gnads you are a tad lacking in knowing that a lot of Aboriginal Art was done from the viewpoint of 'the sky' looking down as many works were 'Maps' and as they were 'artistic' they were not exacted as if illustrated by a survey team from the current era. In fact, with all their FARMING areas of fertile abundance (even areas where Whiteys considered them 'deserts' long ago - but the Colonialists got a lot of things 'wrong' for centuries) - they made the entire continent a living 'Artwork'.
...whitey can only come up with an Bridge and Opera house thanks to foreigners mostly in high positions.

One doesn't need to be Aboriginal to consider Uluru (a far unique sounding name unlike Ayers Rock  Roll Eyes) something sacred or of importance for those 'born' here.


Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


You're just ignorant Grapps. Go read the book Dark Emu. Or are you scared that Aboriginals are going to steal your soul and you'll become less Australian?  Grin


That book(re: the milkyway) doesn't make Aboriginals aerial cartographers.

It's making up convenient history ... every day.  Roll Eyes

And Bruce Pascoe the author....  Grin Grin the King of making it up.
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Reply #80 - Jul 22nd, 2019 at 5:45pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 3:25pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 3:13pm:
What a crock of shite.

It's a damn rock.

But the primitives see an opportunity to be both assholes and get some extra cash, so they will kick up a stink about everything and anything to get noticed.

Simply put
They are predominantly lazy, worthless bludgers.
Predisposed to addiction
Lost and pathetic, they see no future for their race and culture because they have nothing to give.

But take.....this is their forte.
Hands out begging and demanding every opportunity
They see the land as a commodity to be sold for drugs and alcohol so they can immerse themselves in a world where the truth can be forgotten

The truth.....they have no relevance, are worthless and are doomed to fade into insignificance.

Just like the Tasmanian abbos, what is left of them?
Nothing, they are gone and have left nothing behind.


It matters not to me whatever you toss at the indigenous mob.  One thing you cannot avoid.....we invaded their Land, and destroyed their culture (almost.)


Like it or not
Only the strong survive, the most advanced will always win.
The fact that they were too primitive to fight effectively to hold their land, does not give them any rights to that land.

It's the way of the world
Every race on the planet has been "invaded" at some stage in their history.
Your race will only survive by one of three ways
1) Strong and advanced enough to fight off invaders
2) Intellegent enough to assimilate and become part of the superior culture
3) strong enough genes to take over your invaders genes and out breed them.

Abbos were too primitive to fight off an advanced race

Abbos are too stupid to assimilate and benefit from being part of an advanced race.

Abbo genes are recessive, that means that in time they will cease to be as they all mix and die out.

They are a defeated, dying and obsolete race.
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Reply #81 - Jul 22nd, 2019 at 6:52pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 9:23am:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:24pm:
Sadly Gnads you are a tad lacking in knowing that a lot of Aboriginal Art was done from the viewpoint of 'the sky' looking down as many works were 'Maps' and as they were 'artistic' they were not exacted as if illustrated by a survey team from the current era. In fact, with all their FARMING areas of fertile abundance (even areas where Whiteys considered them 'deserts' long ago - but the Colonialists got a lot of things 'wrong' for centuries) - they made the entire continent a living 'Artwork'.
...whitey can only come up with an Bridge and Opera house thanks to foreigners mostly in high positions.

One doesn't need to be Aboriginal to consider Uluru (a far unique sounding name unlike Ayers Rock  Roll Eyes) something sacred or of importance for those 'born' here.


I was born here Noddy.

And Aboriginals didn't make maps. they drew story lines.

And using the sky/stars has nothing to do with being able to see what something looks like from an aerial perspective.

Don't tell me.... Aboriginals flew on giant flying marsupials?  Grin

And I didn't say they couldn't or don't consider a geographical location sacred.


Ok. Now you're lacking a substantial 'viewpoint'.
Read the Book and then come back to me. Roll Eyes
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Reply #82 - Jul 22nd, 2019 at 7:01pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 9:30am:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:44pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:41pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:24pm:
Sadly Gnads you are a tad lacking in knowing that a lot of Aboriginal Art was done from the viewpoint of 'the sky' looking down as many works were 'Maps' and as they were 'artistic' they were not exacted as if illustrated by a survey team from the current era. In fact, with all their FARMING areas of fertile abundance (even areas where Whiteys considered them 'deserts' long ago - but the Colonialists got a lot of things 'wrong' for centuries) - they made the entire continent a living 'Artwork'.
...whitey can only come up with an Bridge and Opera house thanks to foreigners mostly in high positions.

One doesn't need to be Aboriginal to consider Uluru (a far unique sounding name unlike Ayers Rock  Roll Eyes) something sacred or of importance for those 'born' here.


Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


You're just ignorant Grapps. Go read the book Dark Emu. Or are you scared that Aboriginals are going to steal your soul and you'll become less Australian?  Grin


That book(re: the milkyway) doesn't make Aboriginals aerial cartographers.

It's making up convenient history ... every day.  Roll Eyes

And Bruce Pascoe the author....  Grin Grin the King of making it up.


Bruce Pascoe didn't make it up.
He has just correlated into Book - what was already provided by Settlers and Explorers way back in the day via documentation and drawings that were swept under the carpet and 'changed' by the Media like a USSR propaganda (1984 'word crime') machine of lies.
Thankfully many examples of the true history and examples of the 'changed' history still survive and provide a basis for both the Book Dark Emu and the Gammage Book 'Greatest Real Estate on Earth'.

I feel 'enriched' that my fellow 'Black' Australians - were more than just primitive monkeys who could only bang two sticks together. Just like I'm proud of my Yellow Australians who are far different to the Asian ones and our Red Rangas who are also different to the North American ones.

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Reply #83 - Jul 22nd, 2019 at 8:48pm
 
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 7:01pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 9:30am:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:44pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:41pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:24pm:
Sadly Gnads you are a tad lacking in knowing that a lot of Aboriginal Art was done from the viewpoint of 'the sky' looking down as many works were 'Maps' and as they were 'artistic' they were not exacted as if illustrated by a survey team from the current era. In fact, with all their FARMING areas of fertile abundance (even areas where Whiteys considered them 'deserts' long ago - but the Colonialists got a lot of things 'wrong' for centuries) - they made the entire continent a living 'Artwork'.
...whitey can only come up with an Bridge and Opera house thanks to foreigners mostly in high positions.

One doesn't need to be Aboriginal to consider Uluru (a far unique sounding name unlike Ayers Rock  Roll Eyes) something sacred or of importance for those 'born' here.


Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


You're just ignorant Grapps. Go read the book Dark Emu. Or are you scared that Aboriginals are going to steal your soul and you'll become less Australian?  Grin


That book(re: the milkyway) doesn't make Aboriginals aerial cartographers.

It's making up convenient history ... every day.  Roll Eyes

And Bruce Pascoe the author....  Grin Grin the King of making it up.


Bruce Pascoe didn't make it up.
He has just correlated into Book - what was already provided by Settlers and Explorers way back in the day via documentation and drawings that were swept under the carpet and 'changed' by the Media like a USSR propaganda (1984 'word crime') machine of lies.
Thankfully many examples of the true history and examples of the 'changed' history still survive and provide a basis for both the Book Dark Emu and the Gammage Book 'Greatest Real Estate on Earth'.

I feel 'enriched' that my fellow 'Black' Australians - were more than just primitive monkeys who could only bang two sticks together. Just like I'm proud of my Yellow Australians who are far different to the Asian ones and our Red Rangas who are also different to the North American ones.



It's called 'spin' - and as any writer knows (surely) the epitome of fiction is to take a small reality and turn it into a big story... so:-

- a fish trap become 'fish farming and harvesting'
- a small plot of spuds becomes 'agriculture'
- an exhilarating experience climbing Ayers Rock becomes 'a religious observance'
- a 'feeling' that it might well be, and washing down the creek during period times or having babies near a water course becomes 'secret women's business'....

.. and so on forever, according to feeling and sudden realisation..

As Bill Guarnere from Band of Brothers said to a Dutchman - Freedom is something you don't know until you lose it...

.. similarly, feeling an affinity with the lend is something you don't realise until you lose it... and then it becomes a universal truth somehow...

The list is endless - but is long outdated by reality... HELLO!
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Reply #84 - Jul 26th, 2019 at 6:28pm
 
Here's a good link.
"Time they see how we see it."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-22/uluru-climb-closure-chance-to-learn-rom-t...
True.
If Uluru was in Africa - the 'whiteys' would have to just tough it. But in Australia - its like Whiteys can shove anything black aside.

If it wasn't for Aboriginals - many early whites would have starved to death, for starters.
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Reply #85 - Jul 27th, 2019 at 7:58am
 
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 26th, 2019 at 6:28pm:
Here's a good link.
"Time they see how we see it."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-22/uluru-climb-closure-chance-to-learn-rom-t...
True.
If Uluru was in Africa - the 'whiteys' would have to just tough it. But in Australia - its like Whiteys can shove anything black aside.

If it wasn't for Aboriginals - many early whites would have starved to death, for starters.


Yeah, mainly because the abbos were so primitive, there was no crops to steal, no cattle to take and no stores to rob.
Besides, they soon stopped eating abbos, they were too tough and gristly.

And.....I might add
The abbos were too stupid to let them starve.


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Reply #86 - Jul 27th, 2019 at 8:22am
 
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 26th, 2019 at 6:28pm:
Here's a good link.
"Time they see how we see it."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-22/uluru-climb-closure-chance-to-learn-rom-t...
True.
If Uluru was in Africa - the 'whiteys' would have to just tough it. But in Australia - its like Whiteys can shove anything black aside.

If it wasn't for Aboriginals - many early whites would have starved to death, for starters.


That's rubbish & you know it ...

and over $33 billion dollars a year says otherwise.

Everything touristy today has an Aboriginal/ local first peoples slant ... regarding recognition ....

even if it's bullshyte.
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Reply #87 - Jul 27th, 2019 at 8:29am
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 27th, 2019 at 7:58am:
.JaSin. wrote on Jul 26th, 2019 at 6:28pm:
Here's a good link.
"Time they see how we see it."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-22/uluru-climb-closure-chance-to-learn-rom-t...
True.
If Uluru was in Africa - the 'whiteys' would have to just tough it. But in Australia - its like Whiteys can shove anything black aside.

If it wasn't for Aboriginals - many early whites would have starved to death, for starters.


Yeah, mainly because the abbos were so primitive, there was no crops to steal, no cattle to take and no stores to rob.
Besides, they soon stopped eating abbos, they were too tough and gristly.

And.....I might add
The abbos were too stupid to let them starve.




As I have stated before I watched a documentary filmed & narrated by Broken Hill artist Jack Absolom .... he was talking to an Aboriginal elder about his ancestors/connection to country & what it was like for him when young ....

one of the statements was how good they had it way back then -(quote)  "white man came and took all our 'orses an cattle". Grin Grin Grin

First off the elder wasn't old enough to remember pre-white man days ......... so 2. where did the horses and cattle come from? 

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Reply #88 - Jul 27th, 2019 at 2:11pm
 
Terra Nullius, innit.... vacant of all climbing....
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Reply #89 - Jul 27th, 2019 at 6:01pm
 
When you deride a fellow Australian as a 'dero' - you deride yourself. It's a double-edged sword, it always cuts both ways.

And like I said. They had crops, tons of stores and they didn't have to make fences, spray chemicals, dig the soil up to keep it airated and more.

Looks like you guys are falling behind the times.
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