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Jul 12th, 2019 at 4:41am
 
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ASPI's Paul Dibb calls for missile, submarine boost in defence review   Sad

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Another of Australia's leading defence strategists has warned the nation must boosts its stocks of missiles and submarines, in light of the growing threat from China.

Former Defence Department deputy secretary and Australian National University emeritus professor Paul Dibb said with the expansion of China's military capabilities, Australia was facing an increased prospect of threat from a major power for the first time since the Second World War.


A Royal Australian Air Force EA-18G Growler flies over the Brisbane skyline as part of their final rehearsal for Riverfire in Brisbane last year. A former defence official says Australia urgently needs more combat pilots.   

Professor Dibb said China's military presence in the South China Sea had brought its capacity to project military power 1200-1400 kilometres closer to northern Australia.

And while he was not arguing China would become a direct military threat, the fact it would have the military capability to mount high-intensity operations against Australia called for a fundamental review of the Australian Defence Force, Professor Dibb said.

"There is an urgent need to review Australia's long-range air and maritime strike capabilities and the delivery of adequate numbers of platforms in a timeframe relevant to Australia's deteriorating strategic circumstances," he said.

"Unlike in the Cold War, Australia's strategic geography as the pivot between the Pacific and Indian oceans is now assuming much more strategic relevance. This means that we will have to revisit the disposition of our forces and their capabilities in the north and west of our continent."

The Australian Defence Force is currently undertaking its first mobilisation strategy review since the Second World War and it will consider cyber attacks and space.

However Professor Dibb said the review also needed to look at the numbers of combat pilots and submariners.

It should also consider the need to guarantee fuel supplies and look at greatly expanding stocks of war-shot missiles and munitions.

Professor Dibb said current missile and munition stocks were grounded in "peacetime".

"The problem is that there's a yawning gap between the growing concerns of many defence experts in this country and the relaxed views of the general population and business community," Professor Dibb said.



Professor Dibb's call to arms, contained in the Australian Strategic Policy Institute's latest issue of The Strategist, comes after fellow Australian National University professor and long-time defence official Hugh White called for a huge shake-up of Australia's military forces.

Professor White argued Australia may no longer be able to rely on the United State to come to its aid if attacked, and should become much more self-reliant.

This would require an increase in defence spending from about 2 per cent of gross domestic product to about 3.5 per cent.   Sad

It would also merit a massive reorganisation of the structure of the defence force, including using fewer "very vulnerable and very expensive" surface warships and using more submarines and strike aircraft.

However director of the defence and strategy program at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute Michael Shoebridge said Professor White's plan contained a huge vulnerability - the need to protect supply lines.

"If we can't protect shipping against submarine, surface ship, aircraft and missile attack, we'll run out of fuel in around 25 days.
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Reply #1 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 4:46am
 
Have we not just had the tax cuts.  Wheres the money coming from?.   Sad 
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Reply #2 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 6:01am
 
Way back, in the earlier days of commitment to Afghanistan, the call went forth for Blackhawks to accompany Chinooks (2 of) - the response was that the cost and time involved in upgrading the Blackhawks with armour, electronic counter warfare systems, and other 'necessary' stuff prohibited the use of Blackhawks for a very long time.  The same things went into the Chinooks, tout de suite, so work that one out.

4RAR Cdo was committed (partially) with soft skinned vehicles only.... and in early days inter-Regimental snobbery even prohibited them from being lifted back to camp after ops in SASR vehicles...

Prepared much?  Or just incompetent?

It's always nice to know our political masters are totally confident that Australia will not be in a real war any time soon.... and there would be little doubt the Navy is under-prepared, and that something should be done to fill the gaps, such as using missiles and UAVs more.

I'm also amazed at the relative softness of our forces and their requirements for weekends off and not too much time at sea etc... and certain recruitment standards... what happened to Easy Company and their Friday night route marches etc?  Sobel knew how to raise a company to fight ... the Tal don't take weekends off..... just another day at the farm ... and I doubt the Chinkers take Easter off ....
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Reply #3 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:00pm
 
Just remember ... the Port of Darwin is owned by the Chinese already!  Cheesy
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Reply #4 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:05pm
 
Wouldn't it be hilarious if an aggressor blocked the oil tankers coming to Australia????

Australia would be dry in about a month.

Would charcoal burners make a comeback ?

ScoMo should swing the subsidies away from the useless renewable rubbish over to HYDROGEN production to make Australia secure from importing all our fuel.
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Reply #5 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 2:42pm
 
juliar wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:05pm:
Wouldn't it be hilarious if an aggressor blocked the oil tankers coming to Australia????

Australia would be dry in about a month.

Would charcoal burners make a comeback ?

ScoMo should swing the subsidies away from the useless renewable rubbish over to HYDROGEN production to make Australia secure from importing all our fuel.




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Reply #6 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 2:47pm
 
BH is confused. No surprise.

An aggressor would only have to block the fuel tankers supplying Australia and Australia would run out of fuel in about a month.

Now what is Australia's defense against that happening ?

Rapidly build up the HYDROGEN FUEL REVOLUTION to reduce the dependency on imported fuel.
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Reply #7 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 2:51pm
 
Where do we generate the hydrogen from, coal couldn't do it all. In actual fact renewables are regarded as the best option for hydrogen generation.
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Reply #8 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 4:36pm
 
BH full marks for an excellent question.

There are a number of ways to get hydrogen.

Steaming of natural gas is the most common as hydrogen is widely used in lots of manufacturing.

Japan wants to convert Victorian coal to hydrogen.

Electrolytic splitting of water into hydrogen and oxygen is a very attractive solution but the efficiency is still not good.

An enormous amount of research is going on in this area.

One ASX stock HAZER has invented a better way of converting natural gas into hydrogen which looks pretty neat.

Whether you like it or not HYDROGEN is coming to eventually reduce dependency on oil and reduce pollution in cities.
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Reply #9 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 4:40pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:00pm:
Just remember ... the Port of Darwin is owned by the Chinese already!  Cheesy



it's leased by the Chinese, not owned
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Reply #10 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 5:37pm
 
And the Yanks have a base there somewhere.
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juliar wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 5:37pm:
And the Yanks have a base there somewhere.



Not really Jules, but all three services have major bases there that our American friends are posted to for training with our forces.    However, Darwin is set for a major defence infrastructure upgrade over the next decade, especially for Navy so i am sure the Chinese will be watching intently.    Darwin is also the home for Northern Command (NORCOMM) and a few other interesting Defence assets.       I am sure the Chinese interest in that part of Australia is set to grow with them taking a financial interest in whatever they can acquire
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Reply #12 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 6:55pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:00pm:
Just remember ... the Port of Darwin is owned by the Chinese already!  Cheesy


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Reply #13 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 6:58pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 4:40pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:00pm:
Just remember ... the Port of Darwin is owned by the Chinese already!  Cheesy



it's leased by the Chinese, not owned


Perhaps it should be RELEASED by the Chinese.... obviously the OzGuv expects to cite China as an 'enemy combatant nation' in order to repudiate debts and contracts and resume evertthing the Chinkers put into this joint...
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Reply #14 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:52pm
 
China has leased the commercial port of Darwin.   Defence has OK'ed that.  The commercial port consists of several quays and not much else.  Darwin harbour is actually quite large, about half the size of Sydney Harbour.  The commercial port is tiny in comparison.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #15 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:00pm
 
Vic wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 5:55pm:
juliar wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 5:37pm:
And the Yanks have a base there somewhere.



Not really Jules, but all three services have major bases there that our American friends are posted to for training with our forces.    However, Darwin is set for a major defence infrastructure upgrade over the next decade, especially for Navy so i am sure the Chinese will be watching intently.    Darwin is also the home for Northern Command (NORCOMM) and a few other interesting Defence assets.       I am sure the Chinese interest in that part of Australia is set to grow with them taking a financial interest in whatever they can acquire



I'm sure the Chinese will have parts of ordinary looking commercial vessels equipped with the
latest eavesdropping devices to vacuum up as much
information as they can about our military.
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