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Jul 11th, 2019 at 9:34am
 
Grisly secret of cattlemen who kept ‘40 pairs of ears’ as trophies in outback horror house


Behind the legend of two pioneers are the dark stories of their house which held human ears and skulls as souvenirs. WARNING: Graphic


The house where 40 pairs of human ears were nailed up around the walls still stands up in the Gulf country, in a remote part of the outback most Australians have never seen.

The grand old homestead is above a bend of a river which cuts deep gorges through the vast tract of woodland and savanna bordering the Gulf of Carpentaria.

It is called Lawn Hill station, and it lies smack bang in Waanyi country, the tribal territory of an indigenous gulf people who occupied around 25,000 square kilometres of land between northwestern Queensland and the eastern Northern Territory.

More recently, Lawn Hill was known as the location of the world’s biggest zinc mine, Century, once owned by Rio Tinto.

But back in the 1880s it was the site of atrocities against the Waanyi, the molesting of their children, the raping of their women, the shooting of their men, and the taking of their body parts as trophies.

The two men linked to the trophy ears — the owner of Lawn Hill, Frank Hann, and his station manager, Jack Watson, are both recorded as having cut off the heads of Aborigines and presented them as souvenirs or bounty.

These atrocities were committed when Watson had moved on from Lawn Hill to the Northern Territory and Hann had migrated to Western Australia.

The 40 pairs of ears nailed on Lawn Hill’s walls were the ears of Waanyi people.

But that infamy would have been regarded just as a tale handed down by the Waanyi to the current generation, if not for the diary entries of a young white woman.

And but for the almost accidental discovery of the diary of Emily Caroline Creaghe, lying unpublished on a shelf, the story may never have been told.

Then a 22-year-old newlywed, Creaghe had only been living in Australia for seven years after emigrating from England when she wrote her diary.

She preceded by more than two decades her more famous successor Jeanne Gunn, author of the celebrated book turned movie, We of The Never Never.

Creaghe is now credited as the first white female to explore remote Australia, not only braving the frontiers of an otherwise all-male domain, but recording it all in searing detail.

Her recollections of relations between white and Aboriginal Australians touch on degradation, abuse and the probable murder of colonial era Aborigines.

But Creaghe’s handwritten diary might still be just another unpublished manuscript on the shelves of the Mitchell Library in Sydney had Adelaide historian Peter Monteath not happened upon it.

Flinders University professor of history, Monteath was researching Australian explorers when he came across Creaghe’s diary, donated to the library by her descendants.

First published in 2004, The Diary of Emily Caroline Creaghe is now throwing light on the violence perpetrated against indigenous people by two men — Jack Watson and Frank Hann — once hailed as heroes and pioneers of early Australia.

These are the two men directly connected with the house at Lawn Hill, known to some as “Lorne Hill”, on whose walls, as recorded by Creaghe, the ears were nailed.

In early 1883, “Carrie” as Creaghe was known, was staying at the Shadforth family’s Lilydale station at Carl Creek in the Gulf.

In December, 1882 she had set sail from Sydney with her husband, Irish-born station manager Harry Alington Creaghe for Thursday Island.

There they met up with explorer Ernest Favenc to embark on a tour of the Gulf country, from Normanton in Queensland, to Port Darwin in the Northern Territory.

The trip was bankrolled by a newspaper in Queensland, which was competing with South Australia, to open up the hitherto unexplored land of the Northern Territory for development.

When Favenc’s wife Elizabeth became ill and returned home, Creaghe became the sole female on the trip.

Mrs Creaghe did the whole trip on horseback, riding sidesaddle across thousands of kilometres.

Peter Monteath said Creaghe was intrepid, courageous and tougher than her husband Harry, who self-medicated against going “troppo” in the sweltering wilderness with laudanum [opium] on the journey.

While Favenc accompanied his pregnant wife back to Sydney, Creaghe — who would also become pregnant on the journey — spent three months waiting at Lilydale, 65km south of Lawn Hill.

Lilydale is now better known as Riversleigh, the world heritage fossil deposit dating back 25 million years and described by David Attenborough as the among the top four most important in the world.

In 1883, the conditions were atrocious, with the heat and the lack of facilities.

Creaghe wrote that Mr and Mrs Shadforth lived there “with their ten children in four rooms but no ceilings”.

On Thursday, March 8, 1883, Creaghe wrote in her diary:

“We slept again outside, but even then it was too hot to sleep. Mr Bob Shadforth went up to ‘Lorne hill’ Mr Jack Watson’s and Mr Frank Hann’s station about 40 miles away.

“Very hot. No rain. Mr Watson has 40 pairs of blacks’ ears nailed around the walls collected during raiding parties after the loss of many cattle speared by the blacks.”

Creaghe wrote daily in her diary.

A few days later she wrote, “The blacks are particularly aggressive in this district.”

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On March 20, she wrote:

“The rainy season seems to have set in, in real good earnest; it has been raining heavily nearly all day. Mr Shadforth & Ernest Shadforth came home, but had to leave the dray at Gregory Downs as the roads were too heavy & the rivers too high. They brought a new black gin with them; she cannot speak a word of English. Mr Shadforth put a rope around the gin’s neck & dragged her along on foot, he was riding. This seems to be the usual method.

And on the following day, Creaghe entered:

“No rain this morning, but dull & cloudy. Rained all the afternoon in showers. The new gin, whom they call Bella, is chained up to a tree a few yards from the house, she is not to be loosed until they think she is tamed. Madame Topsey, an old gin got a threshing.”

Thereafter, Carrie Creagh’s diary entries refer to the flies as “something dreadful”, a plague of beetles, the alligators, the heat, the wet and the terrible food.

On 10 April: “Mr Crawford’s remains were found, killed by the blacks. Mr Lamond has gone out to get hold of the wretches and give them their desserts.”

On April 14, Ernest Favenc rejoined the Creaghes with overland telegraph officer, and assistant, Lindsay Crawford, and the party forged on into territory unexplored by Europeans.

Carrie Creaghe’s diary reflects the paranoia.

Her entry of April 15 notes that all party members carried revolvers and the gentlemen had rifles slung on their saddles.

On Monday, April 23, Creaghe wrote, “We are now on what is called the ‘Table-land’, a flat piece of country on the top of a very high mountain.

“We are now in unexplored country where no white man has been before, so it is uncertain when we may see water again.”

They reached Daly Waters in the Northern Territory on July 15 and Port Darwin on August 14, 1883.

Back at Lawn Hill station, the two men named by Creaghe as the owners of the house where the 40 pairs of ears were nailed — Jack Watson and Frank Hann — were forging reputations as so-called legends in the wild Australian north.

The house actually belonged to Frank Hann, who would later be lauded as a pastoralist and explorer, but who in reality had a dark and disturbing history with indigenous Australians.

Jack Watson was the manager of Lawn Hill, possibly in partnership with Hann.

But he too would later be celebrated as “the king of the Gulf” even if it was coupled with an uneasy acknowledgment of his reputation for violent and sadistic treatment of Aboriginals.

Waanyi indigenous community leader Alec Doomadgee said the stories told to him by his late grandfather Stanley Doomadgee point to Hann being “a total monster”.

Stanley, a Ganaglidda and Garawa tribal man, worked most of his life as a ringer in Waanyi country and “told many stories of Frank Hann’s brutality”.

Alec Doomadgee also heard stories about Hann from his Waanyi stepfather Don George and his brother, Tommy George.

The oral history from Alec’s family about Hann and others includes tales, of rape, child molestation, murder and revenge.

Historian Peter Monteath puts the conflict between whites and blacks in the historical context as the competition for resources as Europeans forged into Aboriginal lands, driving cattle across the Territory and settling.

He said the late 1800s and early 1900s in far Northern Australia were “very tense and troubled times in the northern frontier” when explorers and pioneers “travelled in a state of paranoia”.

But at Lawn Hill came together two men who shared an attitude to Aboriginals of ruthless brutality.

And at that isolated location, even now a nine-hour journey northwest from Mount Isa along sealed and unsealed roads, they got away with it.

Jack Watson was a private schoolboy from Melbourne who would become known in Queensland as “Mad Jack” and “Long Jack”, because unlike the diminutive Frank Hann he was six-foot-one (186cm).

He is remembered as “splendid athlete and boxer … and a terror on the blacks”.

He also became known as “The Gulf King” or “The Gulf Hero”, the latter perhaps sarcastically applied by those who thought he was genuinely mad, or a terrible show-off.

It was a trait which would finish him off at the age of just 44.

He was the eldest of nine sons born to a prominent Victorian family whose patriarch was

George Watson, master of the Melbourne Hunt Club and the Starter at Flemington Racecourse.

As well as Emily Caroline Creaghe’s diary reference to the ears Watson had nailed to Lawn Hill’s walls, accounts of Watson’s exploits are recorded in newspapers and in books about the Territory.

His wild exploits some people thought verged on madness.

Before he went to Northern Australia, he was known for his mad stunts.

These included standing on his head on the edge of the cliff above The Gap at Watsons Bay to show off to fellow picnickers.

Watson was known for being a “flash” or eccentric dresser. Even up in the Gulf country, he was known to sport a pair of Mexican spurs and a football jersey.

After travelling the world, he ended up in the Gulf, managing Lawn Hill station in 1883 before he moved on to the Northern Territory to manage properties in Arnhem Land.

In 1895, he moved to Victoria River Downs — the station later acquired by legendary cattleman Sidney Kidman — where he was involved in the slaughter of tribes people, exhibiting extreme sadism.

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Watson was known for his stern disapproval of white men who kept Aboriginal women with them on a station and meted out punishment to those who flouted his ban.

One story described Watson punishing an Aboriginal man, possibly for stealing, by impaling both palms on a sapling sharpened to a point at the top.

Ernestine Hill wrote of Watson’s “efficiency” of dealing with wild Aboriginals.

“There is a story,” she wrote, “I do not like to believe it true.

“That hearing of a Burketown station pestered by cattle-killers, he promised to set the matter right.

“Riding back in a week he threw eleven skulls on the table with a jaunty ‘There you are! No more trouble out there!’.”

Another story about Watson and the skulls of Aboriginals was revealed in a letter written by a Northern Territory policeman, W. H. Willshire.

Recorded in the Victoria River District Doomsday Book, the letter was written in response to an inquiry about the fate of an Aboriginal man named Pompey.

Willshire wrote, “I have the honour to state that three natives by that name came to their death in my time in the far north”.

One was rounded up and shot dead for cattle stealing, and another was shot “by native police” for “killing a little civilised blackboy belonging to James Woodforde”.

The third was a “civilised blackboy” who ran away from Victoria River Downs with firearms in February 1895 with another boy, Jimmy, “and joined wild natives 4 miles from my hut”.

Willshire writes that the “wild” natives killed the civilised boys.

“Some months after when the bodies of Pompey and Jimmy had sufficiently

dried I went out and brought both their sculls [sic] in and buried them in my garden … [as] John Watson manager for Goldsborough Mort & Co, stated that he wanted Pompeys scull [sic] for a spittoon”.

Willshire later criticised Watson’s management of the station, claiming, “Watson has such a bad name amongst blacks that they are frightened to remain, nearly every white man has left, and there will not be a single person left”.

Watson’s management of Victoria River Downs was perhaps affected by his genuine madness.

His exploits of derring do continued, Gordon Buchanan wrote, diving into the crocodile-infested Victoria River to retrieve a lost hat, shooting at jam tins balanced on a stockboy’s head.

Returning to Lawn Hill from after delivering a mob of cattle to the McArthur River (550 km away over the border in the Northern Territory), Watson heard about a troublesome group of Aborigines who had speared four horses.

Watson spent two weeks tracking and hunting down the “black”, shooting them until all were dead.

In May 1895, after a group of Aboriginals attacked teamsters James Mulligan and George Ligar who were bringing in supply stores, Watson reportedly led a revenge mission on which 60 black men were shot dead.

On April 1, 1896, while swimming stock across the Katherine River, Watson told George Ligar he would swim across to the town side, refusing Ligar’s offer of a lift in his boat.

At a spot where crocodiles frequented, Watson jumped in.

He was a good swimmer and the river was not running very high at the time, but Ligar noticed Watson was struggling and turned the boat to go and fetch him.

But when Ligar looked back around, Watson had disappeared from sight.

His drowning was ascribed to cramp, alligators or being hit by driftwood.

A tombstone and railing was erected to mark his last resting place and an obituary in the Northern Territory Times managed to gloss over Watson’s worst atrocities.

“In matters of honour he was as straight as a gun-barrel,” it began, saying “Watson had a great deal of the daredevil in him.

“Many who knew his peculiarities looked upon him as foolhardy … he had 'brushes’ innumerable with marauding natives.

“But so far as we know never got a scratch himself, while the natives more than once received terribly severe lessons.

“The punishment in one case at least being tended to in a manner that was much talked

of in the Gulf country.

“His ideas of revenge for murders or station depredations committed by the blacks were scarcely orthodox, but they were generally up to requirements.

“He claimed to be a fatalist and like all others of that faith he believed that when his time had come he would be ‘rubbed out’ but not before.”

Two months after Watson’s death, his old friend Frank Hann would pass through one of the Northern Territory stations Watson had managed.

It was June, 1896, and Hann was leaving Lawn Hill for good to make a new life in Western Australia.

He left behind him a fearsome reputation.

Hann had arrived aged six from England to Victoria in 1851.

By 1862, with his brother William, he was driving his first mob of cattle to the Condamine, in Queensland’s western downs region, around 350km west of Brisbane.

They established two stations in the Burden River area near Townsville and around this time Hann met explorer Ernest Favenc.

Gold was discovered on one, but the brothers dissolved their partnership and Hann went to Lawn Hill, where he would ultimately fail as a cattle producer.

Hann was described as “small and slight of stature” and in several accounts described different young Aboriginal companions as his “splendid black boy”.

He sunk an experimental mine shaft on Lawn Hill, and lead and silver were later extracted, but by this time Hann had left.

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n 1879 he carried out exploratory work, driving bullock to Darwin.
he is credited with being the first white man to take stock from the Gulf to the Northern Territory, opening up stock routes and pastoral leases.

Long since grown over with bark, trees in the King Leopold Ranges are carved with his intitals “FH” and dates from the late 19th century.

ann’s attitude to Aborigines may have been influenced by occasions on which he was attacked.

In 1876 at Battle Creek, southwest of Cairns., he narrowly escaped injury when the sleeve of his coat was speared as his gold escort from the Palmer goldfield was attacked.

While at Lawn Hill, Hann was shot by the Aboriginal bushranger Joe Flick, after Flick broke out of Normanton jail.

Flick was the son of a Waanyi mother and a white man who worked for Hann, and had been trained to ride horses and shot guns as a boy.

He became an outlaw and was locked up in Normanton jail (400km from Lawn Hill), from which he escaped in 1889.

Flick made his way to Turnoff Lagoon, 80km north of Lawn Hill where Senior Constable Alfred Wavell manned a police station in the company of a black tracker.

Flick stole two police horses from the station, which was on the end of Hann’s vast property, and took off.

Constable Wavell and two troopers set off in pursuit and tracked him to about 12km from Lawn Hill homestead, whereupon Flick rode into the river and escaped their gunshot.

The next morning, Constable Wavell and the troopers visited Hann at Lawn Hill homestead for breakfast.

Later, while Hann went about his business chasing down “blacks who had been killing a lot of cattle”, an Aboriginal woman on the station alerted Wavell to the fact that Flick was in a paddock trying to catch a horse.

Hann was to travel widely throughout Western Australia, and between 1893 and 1906 he and Talbot travelled alone throughout remote Australia.

In April 1909, Perth’s Western Mail newspaper published a letter written by Hann about one of his expeditions with the titles “Attacks by Natives. An Interesting Narrative”.

Hann had just visited Mt Morgans, near Laverton 900km west of Perth, where gold was discovered in 1896.

Hann was working for the Minister for Lands and Surveyor General exploring the mulga country when he observed grass fires.

“I asked Talbot (my splendid black boy) if he had fired the grass,” Hann writes.

“On receiving an answer in the negative, I said: ‘the blacks are handy and will be up all night’.

“We went on that day to a camp I call Point Lilian.

“Just after nightfall I noticed that the spinifex fire was again quite close to us and said to Talbot: ‘here are the blacks; they will be up in the morning’.”

The next morning, Hann asks “the smartest one” in sign language a question and then offers them a meal before making the “smart one” to haul water for Hann’s camels and horses.

He ties “a large piece of turkey-red” [red dyed cloth] “around the smart fellow’s body and a white handkerchief around his neck”.

Hann then takes off with Talbot, and around 3km from their camp turns around and sees the boy he has tied up in red cloth about to throw a spear at him.

Hann ducks, the spear grazes his back, and he takes a shot at the boy and hears “a yell”.

The other three boys point spears at him, one misses him with a woomera.

Hann then writes “had I shot the black with the red band I would have cut his head off and sent the skull to Mr F, Brockman, of Perth, who asked me to send one, as a friend of his in London wanted one.

“I was very sorry I could not send him the four, but later on I got him a splendid one.

“We seemed to have struck a bad lot of black on the journey.”

Hann’s letter spark a storm of protest, outraged letters and an editorial the next week dubbing him “Head Hunter Hann”

The subheadings included “he wanted a head for Mr Brockman”, “who desired it sent to London” and “After N*ggers for their skulls”, the “N” word being not infrequently used at the time.

The article describes Hann’s "An Interesting Narrative” as “it is interesting right enough.

“It’s more than that; it’s sensational … in parts horrifying.

“It … sheds some light on the much discussed question as to how n*ggers are treated … in that God-forsaken region.

“Evidently they are classed with kangaroos.”

The article goes on to say, “this paper once met a man who told it that some years ago he and others often went out … ‘n*gger-shooting’ … simply for sport.

“A man who so glibly talks of procuring specimen heads is very evidently one to be classed with those who look upon the South Australian aboriginal as a species of useless game to be shot down at sight as one would shoot a kangaroo.”

The article does then state shooting an Aboriginal “in self-defence” may be permitted, but questions whether it is “allowable to remove the head or any other portions of the body for distribution among the slayer’s friends”.

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The article then queries the integrity of Frank Hann as a witness at the royal commission into the Canning exploration party.

In 1906, at the behest of the WA Government, Albert Canning surveyed a 1850km stock route which linked wells through the western deserts for the purpose of improving beef market supply for graziers.

Some Aborigines co-operated with Canning, others were neck-chained and subjected to a torture which involved feeding them salt in the hot sun to force them to lead the party to water sources.

A royal commission in 1908 called Frank Hann, and WA”s inaugural premier, Sir John Forrest (great uncle of mining billionaire Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest”, among dozens of witnesses.

The Western Mail article questions Hann’s testimony that “the blacks were invariably well treated and that as a matter of fact, every consideration compatible with keeping them in order was extended to them by the bushmen”.

Another response to Hann’s letter about shooting and decapitating Aboriginals was a mocking poem which begins, “My name’s Frank Hann, I kill all I can”
Penned by someone who gives themselves the moniker “Dryblower”, it continues, “I always try, when my victims die, to carefully save the skull”.

Despite this public pillory, Hann still didn’t get it.

He wrote a letter of complaint about the criticism, and said that Sir John Forrest had “sent me a nice letter on my narrow escape from death”.

Frank Hann would continue to live in Western Australia until his death in 1921, on which glowing obituaries were written just as they had been for Jack Watson, but with no mention of brutality to Aboriginal people.

Different obituaries noted that a fall from his horse had ended Hann’s exploring activities and his eyesight had failed.

“His was a pathetic ending. He died in straitened circumstances in his 74th year — a blind and broken man, still faithfully served by his blackboy Talbot, himself grown grey in the service of his master.”

Alec Doomadgee plans to tell a dramatised version of the story of Frank Hann at Lawn Hill at a Gulf Country Festival and rodeo the Waanyi Prescribed Bodies Corporate (PBC) chairman Alec Doomadgee is holding this August in Burketown.

Lawn Hill Riversleigh Pastoral Holding Company is now partly owned (49 per cent) by mining company New Century Resources and (51 per cent) by its traditional owners, Waanyi Advancement Limited.

Last year Mr Doomadgee led a gathering to reclaim Lawn Hill, leading a convoy of Waanyi to the homestead where he retold the story about the 40 pairs of Waanyi ears on its walls.

The original house lies on 539,000 hectares and is a potent reminder of the grisly past for Waanyi at Lawn Hill.

After Emily Caroline Creaghe and husband Harry left the expedition to the Northern Territory, they returned to Queensland to live in Rockhampton.

Harry Creaghe was accidentally killed, aged 38, in Rockhampton in 1887 while Carrie was pregnant with their third son.

In 1889 she married station manager Joseph Barnett and had six more children.

Carrie Barnett died in 1944 in Royal North Shore Hospital and in 2004 an edited version of her diary was published by Adelaide history professor Peter Monteath.


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Reply #5 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 10:00am
 
Yeah back in the day abbo’s would come onto farming properties and steal their livestock...

They got some good old fashioned justice..
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President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 10:00am:
Yeah back in the day abbo’s would come onto farming properties and steal their livestock...

They got some good old fashioned justice..


So i assume all the women were raped for daring to bring vaginas onto the property?

Despite not usually bringing them willingly?
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I think this particular bit is of particular importance for us all to know:

“His ideas of revenge for murders or station depredations committed by the blacks were scarcely orthodox, but they were generally up to requirements."
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You can’t compare yesteryear to todays culture and justice...

It’s nonstop identity politics and trying to shame modern society with which had nothing to do with them..

Go back to your self loathing Greggy..

The rest of us are happy with our lives and understand that the past is the past...
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Reply #9 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 10:42am
 
Leaving the past in the past only works if people understand their history and the consequences of it.

You should question why you are so dismissive of this. It really is most disclosing.
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Reply #10 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 10:42am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 10:00am:
Yeah back in the day abbo’s would come onto farming properties and steal their livestock...

They got some good old fashioned justice..


Ah.

And "the molesting of their children, the raping of their women" - good old fashioned fun?
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Reply #11 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 10:59am
 
Friends, Abos, countrymen, lend me .......
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Gordon wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 10:59am:
Friends, Abos, countrymen, lend me .......


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Reply #13 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 11:51am
 
Yep....different world back then. Keep digging back into history and I'm sure there will be more horror stories.
No doubt some of you would feel guilty that it happened and want to say sorry for something you had nothing to do with. Good on you. No really.....good on yow.

What about what the English did to the Scots and Irish. Plenty of Irish here were lower than the abo. Don't hear them whinging though. They must have just got on with life and forgotten their harsh treatment.
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Reply #14 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:02pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 11:51am:
Yep....different world back then. Keep digging back into history and I'm sure there will be more horror stories.
No doubt some of you would feel guilty that it happened and want to say sorry for something you had nothing to do with. Good on you. No really.....good on yow.

What about what the English did to the Scots and Irish. Plenty of Irish here were lower than the abo. Don't hear them whinging though. They must have just got on with life and forgotten their harsh treatment.


So what, you'd rather not know?

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Reply #15 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:08pm
 
What he said implied that he does know ...

as most do of the harshness of life & the atrocities that occurred in our history/past.

The idea is that you learn from & don't repeat it.

Your use of this is just another attempt at trying to hang another guilt trip on people.

It's you forte with everything you post.

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Reply #16 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:13pm
 
I think it's really important that mothra congratulates modern Australia for having come so far and improved so much.

These sort of atrocities are only seen in primitive barbaric places like Syria nowadays.

Mothra must congratulate the fine men of the west for their improvement and implore the barbaric Muslim fundamentalists of  the Middle East to follow our noble path forward
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Reply #17 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:19pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:08pm:
What he said implied that he does know ...

as most do of the harshness of life & the atrocities that occurred in our history/past.

The idea is that you learn from & don't repeat it.

Your use of this is just another attempt at trying to hang another guilt trip on people.

It's you forte with everything you post.




Oh? This is taught in schools when the colonioalisation of this country is taught? Certainly wasn't in my day.

I repeat:

“His ideas of revenge for murders or station depredations committed by the blacks were scarcely orthodox, but they were generally up to requirements."
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Reply #18 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:20pm
 
Go on

post atrocities committed on white settlers by the abos

or isn't that part of your remit


If I'd been forced to contend with savages who sexually mutilated their children to such extreme lengths as the Abos and if I'd seen my neighbour's wife and children raped, tortured, murdered and cut to bits, you bet I'd be on my horse with my mates, guns and hunting dogs

that's how it was

Aborigines do not respond satisfactorily to the kid glove treatment, so harsh deterrents had to be imposed.  That resulted in the others learning that might is right and they should quit spearing livestock and attacking the new white masters if they wanted to live

And they did learn

and the country was lifted from zero to productive

Today's governments prevent whites from lashing Aborigines when they burn and destroy the free housing etc. provided them by  taxpayers.  If governments would quit playing PC and left taxpayers to it, the destruction would stop.  And maybe it won't be long before Aborigines are held to account with a stock whip if they keep wasting our money.  Because obviously, the destructive ones are incapable of learning

meanwhile, motivated and inspired no doubt by their black brethren in the US, arrogant gangs of them, barely in their teens, are running riot and finding themselves in the media

people won't put up with much more of it

they need to get into shape or vanish, imo.  I'm not interested in molly coddling useless creatures who cost a fortune and produce zip
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Reply #19 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:25pm
 
PZ547 wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:20pm:
Go on

post atrocities committed on white settlers by the abos

or isn't that part of your remit


If I'd been forced to contend with savages who sexually mutilated their children to such extreme lengths as the Abos and if I'd seen my neighbour's wife and children raped, tortured, murdered and cut to bits, you bet I'd be on my horse with my mates, guns and hunting dogs

that's how it was

Aborigines do not respond satisfactorily to the kid glove treatment, so harsh deterrents had to be imposed.  That resulted in the others learning that might is right and they should quit spearing livestock and attacking the new white masters if they wanted to live

And they did learn

and the country was lifted from zero to productive

Today's governments prevent whites from lashing Aborigines when they burn and destroy the free housing etc. provided them by  taxpayers.  If governments would quit playing PC and left taxpayers to it, the destruction would stop.  And maybe it won't be long before Aborigines are held to account with a stock whip if they keep wasting our money.  Because obviously, the destructive ones are incapable of learning

meanwhile, motivated and inspired no doubt by their black brethren in the US, arrogant gangs of them, barely in their teens, are running riot and finding themselves in the media

people won't put up with much more of it

they need to get into shape or vanish, imo.  I'm not interested in molly coddling useless creatures who cost a fortune and produce zip




Yep. Peez really said all that.
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Reply #20 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:27pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:02pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 11:51am:
Yep....different world back then. Keep digging back into history and I'm sure there will be more horror stories.
No doubt some of you would feel guilty that it happened and want to say sorry for something you had nothing to do with. Good on you. No really.....good on yow.

What about what the English did to the Scots and Irish. Plenty of Irish here were lower than the abo. Don't hear them whinging though. They must have just got on with life and forgotten their harsh treatment.


So what, you'd rather not know?





Why do WE have to know?
Or better still, why does everyone focus on the poor treatment of aboriginals and forget the rest?
Bad shyte happened way back when....to anyone who wasn't rich or British.

Lets be honest....you only posted this because of the aboriginal content, which of course is completely fine.....however, I did point out that bad things happened to the Irish at the hands of the Brits. Who said sorry to them? No-one in this country gives a shyte about what happened to the Irish......I wonder why? White skin I recon. Yet the Irish felt, at the time, that they had a connection with aboriginals due to the treatment both races received from the brits.


So yeah. Your story is shocking.....but that was the world back then. Looking back with a 2019 frame of mind makes you wonder what humans were back then.
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Reply #21 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:29pm
 
Post something up about white settlers including children who were murdered by aborigines Mothra? There's plenty on it. Or perhaps the convicts who were rolled out in dog boxes to dig roads and died like flies. Or the white mothers who had their kids taken off them etc etc etc. If you are going to dredge up the past then don't be so selective. The rich and powerful are the ones who are really the blame yet it's the ordinary Australian who seems to get blamed for all of this.
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Reply #22 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:31pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:27pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:02pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 11:51am:
Yep....different world back then. Keep digging back into history and I'm sure there will be more horror stories.
No doubt some of you would feel guilty that it happened and want to say sorry for something you had nothing to do with. Good on you. No really.....good on yow.

What about what the English did to the Scots and Irish. Plenty of Irish here were lower than the abo. Don't hear them whinging though. They must have just got on with life and forgotten their harsh treatment.


So what, you'd rather not know?





Why do WE have to know?
Or better still, why does everyone focus on the poor treatment of aboriginals and forget the rest?
Bad shyte happened way back when....to anyone who wasn't rich or British.

Lets be honest....you only posted this because of the aboriginal content, which of course is completely fine.....however, I did point out that bad things happened to the Irish at the hands of the Brits. Who said sorry to them? No-one in this country gives a shyte about what happened to the Irish......I wonder why? White skin I recon. Yet the Irish felt, at the time, that they had a connection with aboriginals due to the treatment both races received from the brits.


So yeah. Your story is shocking.....but that was the world back then. Looking back with a 2019 frame of mind makes you wonder what humans were back then.



What the bugger have the Irish to do with this?

Why can't Aboriginal stories be heard openly and without prejudice or relegation to irrelevancy because of what has been done to others?

It's almost as though you take it personally.


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Reply #23 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:31pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:25pm:
PZ547 wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:20pm:
Go on

post atrocities committed on white settlers by the abos

or isn't that part of your remit


If I'd been forced to contend with savages who sexually mutilated their children to such extreme lengths as the Abos and if I'd seen my neighbour's wife and children raped, tortured, murdered and cut to bits, you bet I'd be on my horse with my mates, guns and hunting dogs

that's how it was

Aborigines do not respond satisfactorily to the kid glove treatment, so harsh deterrents had to be imposed.  That resulted in the others learning that might is right and they should quit spearing livestock and attacking the new white masters if they wanted to live

And they did learn

and the country was lifted from zero to productive

Today's governments prevent whites from lashing Aborigines when they burn and destroy the free housing etc. provided them by  taxpayers.  If governments would quit playing PC and left taxpayers to it, the destruction would stop.  And maybe it won't be long before Aborigines are held to account with a stock whip if they keep wasting our money.  Because obviously, the destructive ones are incapable of learning

meanwhile, motivated and inspired no doubt by their black brethren in the US, arrogant gangs of them, barely in their teens, are running riot and finding themselves in the media

people won't put up with much more of it

they need to get into shape or vanish, imo.  I'm not interested in molly coddling useless creatures who cost a fortune and produce zip




Yep. Peez really said all that.



Yep.  And there's more.  Not the first time I've recounted here that a couple of abo teens kept breaking into the basement storehouse of a south burnett business.  They were warned. They were given chances.  But they're stupid and can't see further than two seconds ahead.  So they did it that final time

store owner was waiting for them and shot them both dead as they began climbing through the window they'd just broken

only made a brief sentence in the local news

and their families didn't give a chit


but .. main thing ... no more abo kids broke into or stole from that store owner's business for at least six months


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Reply #24 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:33pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:31pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:27pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:02pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 11:51am:
Yep....different world back then. Keep digging back into history and I'm sure there will be more horror stories.
No doubt some of you would feel guilty that it happened and want to say sorry for something you had nothing to do with. Good on you. No really.....good on yow.

What about what the English did to the Scots and Irish. Plenty of Irish here were lower than the abo. Don't hear them whinging though. They must have just got on with life and forgotten their harsh treatment.


So what, you'd rather not know?





Why do WE have to know?
Or better still, why does everyone focus on the poor treatment of aboriginals and forget the rest?
Bad shyte happened way back when....to anyone who wasn't rich or British.

Lets be honest....you only posted this because of the aboriginal content, which of course is completely fine.....however, I did point out that bad things happened to the Irish at the hands of the Brits. Who said sorry to them? No-one in this country gives a shyte about what happened to the Irish......I wonder why? White skin I recon. Yet the Irish felt, at the time, that they had a connection with aboriginals due to the treatment both races received from the brits.


So yeah. Your story is shocking.....but that was the world back then. Looking back with a 2019 frame of mind makes you wonder what humans were back then.



What the bugger have the Irish to do with this?

Why can't Aboriginal stories be heard openly and without prejudice or relegation to irrelevancy because of what has been done to others?

It's almost as though you take it personally.





You seem to be taking a lot faux personally mothra


have you cottoned on to a new post-for-pay vehicle?

bet I could find people who would quote you disparaging aborigines in very strong terms in the past

so watch out
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Reply #25 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:35pm
 
PZ547 wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:33pm:
bet I could find people who would quote you disparaging aborigines in very strong terms in the past

so watch out


I'll take that bet.

Knock yourself out.
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Reply #26 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:40pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:35pm:
PZ547 wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:33pm:
bet I could find people who would quote you disparaging aborigines in very strong terms in the past

so watch out


I'll take that bet.

Knock yourself out.




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Reply #27 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:41pm
 
PZ547 wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:40pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:35pm:
PZ547 wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:33pm:
bet I could find people who would quote you disparaging aborigines in very strong terms in the past

so watch out


I'll take that bet.

Knock yourself out.




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Can't back your claim?

I knew you couldn't but it's funny how fast you folded.
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they must have been muslim homesteaders. Roll Eyes
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An atrocity pure and simple....
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mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:19pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:08pm:
What he said implied that he does know ...

as most do of the harshness of life & the atrocities that occurred in our history/past.

The idea is that you learn from & don't repeat it.

Your use of this is just another attempt at trying to hang another guilt trip on people.

It's you forte with everything you post.




Oh? This is taught in schools when the colonioalisation of this country is taught? Certainly wasn't in my day.

I repeat:

“His ideas of revenge for murders or station depredations committed by the blacks were scarcely orthodox, but they were generally up to requirements."


I learned of this in primary school.

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,,,
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Mothra must have gone to school before 1816.
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1880's, you say... yeah - some parts of history sucked.......

Get over it....   Cool
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Only 40 pairs?  Some blokes in Vietnam had more than that, and I would venture to suggest that early Australia was a target rich environment, so constraint seems to have been the order of the day ....... and the NVA, like some Mussos, were happy to chop heads off Khmer Rouge they killed and display them...
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Mussos cut off heads and hold them up for photo-ops. The Govt is letting the son of one of those mussos into Australia, he also held up heads for a photo-op
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Reply #36 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 5:33am
 
I wonder what atrocities the abbos committed against the first AUSTRALIANS?

The ones the abbos wiped off the face of the earth?

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