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The West Bank, of the Jordan river
Jul 8^th, 2019 at 12:52pm

'The West Bank', is an area of land on the west bank of the Jordan river.

Where is Judea ?

And how did Judea get that name ?

Does the name Judea have 'anything to do', with those people who refer to themselves as Jews ?

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Is the name Judea older than ISLAM ?

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Why do followers of ISLAM ....refuse to use the name Judea,
whenever they refer to the lands on the west bank of the Jordan river ?

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Judea, associated with the Jewish people

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muslim invasions, accused of rewriting history

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Did you know, that 'once upon a time' Afghanistan was a wholly Buddhist nation,
until about..... GUESS!

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 20956 A cat with a view	Re: The West Bank, of the Jordan river Reply #1 - Jul 8^th, 2019 at 1:23pm The OP. .....just look at all of those questions ! Its enough to make a person think ! ....a reasonable person.
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Re: The West Bank, of the Jordan river
Reply #2 - Jul 8^th, 2019 at 8:49pm

2019, July

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Twenty-six “Muslim scholars” based in Britain have called for “fascist” Israel to be returned to the Arabs, and expressed their hope that “Jerusalem will be the capital of the Islamic Caliphate when it returns, Allah willing.

The enmity and hatred towards those damned Zionists Israelis, is all about the dispossed Palestinians, needing to get their home-land back you see.

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"Abdullah my brother, the Jews have take our land, and we are a homeless people.
WAIL! WAIL! WAIL!

Those dastardly Zionists!!

We want our land back."

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: The West Bank, of the Jordan river
Reply #3 - Jul 11^th, 2019 at 7:45pm

It wasn't always a case of unadulterated hatred between the two peoples. It all started with the advent of Zionism:

'For many centuries, the Muslims ruled Greece. Did the Greeks become Muslims? Did anyone even try to Islamize them? On the contrary, Christian Greeks held the highest positions in the Ottoman administration. The Bulgarians, Serbs, Romanians, Hungarians and other European nations lived at one time or another under Ottoman rule and clung to their Christian faith. Nobody compelled them to become Muslims and all of them remained devoutly Christian.

'There is no evidence whatsoever of any attempt to impose Islam on the Jews. As is well known, under Muslim rule the Jews of Spain enjoyed a bloom the like of which the Jews did not enjoy anywhere else until almost our time.'

Muhammad's Sword ~ Uri Avnery, author, former Israeli politician and founder of the Gush peace movement.

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Genesis 15:18 : To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the River Euphrates.

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Re: The West Bank, of the Jordan river
Reply #4 - Jul 12^th, 2019 at 4:56pm

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11^th, 2019 at 7:45pm:

It wasn't always a case of unadulterated hatred between the two peoples.

It all started with the advent of Zionism......

Hatred, for the word, ZION/ZIONIST.

Is the catchcry of many, today!

catchcry = = a distinctive word or expression serving to attract attention or rally support.

Jewish people today, who declare their love of Zion, are emulating the expressed feelings of their deity, towards Jerusalem.

How dare they!

Shame on them!

Everyone knows that Jerusalem does not belong to the Jewish people !

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Psalms 87:2
The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.

Psalms 129:5
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1539305319/3#3

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: The West Bank, of the Jordan river
Reply #5 - Jul 14^th, 2019 at 7:23pm

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author=Yadda link=1562554334/4#4 date=1562914568]

Hatred, for the word, ZION/ZIONIST.

Is the catchcry of many, today!

catchcry = = a distinctive word or expression serving to attract attention or rally support.

Jewish people today, who declare their love of Zion, are emulating the expressed feelings of their deity, towards Jerusalem.

How dare they!

Shame on them!

Everyone knows that Jerusalem does not belong to the Jewish people !

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"I don't understand your optimism,' Ben Gurion declared. 'Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance."

David Ben-Gurion, as quoted in: N. Goldmann, The Jewish Paradox, Grosset & Dunlap, New York, (1978), p. 99.

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The Bible is our charter - David Ben-Gurion

Genesis 15:18 : To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the River Euphrates.

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Reply #6 - Jul 14^th, 2019 at 10:15pm

An atheist, but not an ignorant man.

Since I invoke Torah so often, let me state that I don't personally believe in the God it postulates ... I am not religious, nor were the majority of the early builders of Israel believers. Yet their passion for this land stemmed from the Book of Books ... [The Bible is] the single most important book in my life.
- David Ben-Gurion

No city in the world, not even Athens or Rome, ever played as great a role in the life of a nation for so long a time, as Jerusalem has done in the life of the Jewish people.
- David Ben-Gurion

We regard it as our duty to declare that Jewish Jerusalem is an organic and inseparable part of the State of Israel, as it is an inseparable part of the history of Israel, of the faith of Israel.
- David Ben-Gurion

Everybody sees a difficulty in the question of relations between Arabs and Jews. But not everybody sees that there is no solution to this question. No solution! There is a gulf, and nothing can bridge it... We, as a nation, want this country to be ours; the Arabs, as a nation, want this country to be theirs.
- David Ben-Gurion

If the antisemites want to hate, let them hate, and let them go to hell.
- David Ben-Gurion

We do not wish and do not need to expel Arabs and take their places.
- David Ben-Gurion

We have preserved the Book, and the Book has preserved us.
- David Ben-Gurion

Israel will not discuss a peace involving the concession of any piece of territory. The neighboring states do not deserve an inch of Israel's land. . . . We are ready for exchange for peace.
- David Ben-Gurion

We offer peace and neighborliness to all the neighboring states and their peoples, and invite them to cooperate with the independent Hebrew nation for the common good of all.
- David Ben-Gurion

The test of democracy is freedom of criticism.
- David Ben-Gurion

The law is whatever people determine it to be.
- David Ben-Gurion

To be realistic, you have to believe in miracles.
- David Ben-Gurion

We don't consider manual work as a curse, or a bitter necessity, not even as a means of making a living. We consider it as a high human function, as the basis of human life, the most dignified thing in the life of the human being, and which ought to be free, creative. Men ought to be proud of it.
- David Ben-Gurion

Under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them. Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement, should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price.
- David Ben-Gurion

You must talk to us as equals, or not talk to us at all.
- David Ben-Gurion

Those who today murdered our people in an ambush not only plotted to murder some Jews but intended to provoke us... The Arabs stand to gain from such a development. They want the country to be in a state of perpetual pogrom.... Any further bloodshed [by the Jews] will only bring political advantage to the Arabs and harm us... Our strength is in the defense... and this strength will give us political victory if England and the world will know that we are defending ourselves rather than attacking.
- David Ben-Gurion

https://www.azquotes.com/author/6023-David_Ben_Gurion

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #7 - Jul 14^th, 2019 at 10:26pm

No city in the world, not even Athens or Rome, ever played as great a role in the life of a nation for so long a time, as Jerusalem has done in the life of the Jewish people.
- David Ben-Gurion

Zion

Zion = = Jerusalem

KJV Bible the word Zion is found 152 times.

KJV Bible the word Jerusalem is found 811 times.

In the Koran, Jerusalem is mentioned, 0 [zero] times.

Psalms 129:5
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: The West Bank, of the Jordan river
Reply #8 - Jul 17^th, 2019 at 10:32am

"This State... may, no—it must—invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the method of provocation-and-revenge. . . . And above all—let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries, so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space. (Such a slip of the tongue: Ben Gurion himself said that it would be worth while to pay an Arab a million pounds to start a war.) (26 May 1955)"

—Excerpt from a 26 May 1955 entry in Moshe Sheratt's personal diary as quoted in L. Rokach, Israel's Sacred Terrorism, Third Edition, AAUG Press, Belmont Massachusetts, p. 41.

Provocation and revenge, eh?

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Genesis 15:18 : To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the River Euphrates.

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capitosinora Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2172 USA Florida Gender:	Re: The West Bank, of the Jordan river Reply #9 - Jul 17^th, 2019 at 11:56am We Jews are superior. Your antisemitism won't prevent us to rule Middle East .
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Re: The West Bank, of the Jordan river
Reply #10 - Jul 18^th, 2019 at 11:09am

capitosinora wrote on Jul 17^th, 2019 at 11:56am:

We Jews are superior.

“The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems from the common expression: “Let us differentiate.” Thus, we do not have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior level. Rather, we have a case of “let us differentiate” between totally different species.”

(the difference between Jews and non-Jews) is “so great that the bodies should be considered as completely different species.”

“An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness.”

“The entire creation (of a non-Jew) exists only for the sake of the Jews.”

-Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson.

Professor Motti Inbari, an Israeli academic who now teaches in the U.S., writes, “the commandment ‘You shall not murder’ does not apply to the killing of a Gentile, since ‘you shall not murder’ relates to the murder of a human, while (for orthodox Jews) the Gentiles do not constitute humans.”

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Genesis 15:18 : To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the River Euphrates.

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Re: The West Bank, of the Jordan river
Reply #11 - Jul 24^th, 2019 at 8:49pm

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 18^th, 2019 at 11:09am:

capitosinora wrote on Jul 17^th, 2019 at 11:56am:

We Jews are superior.

“The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems from the common expression: “Let us differentiate.”

Thus, we do not have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior level. Rather, we have a case of “let us differentiate” between totally different species.”

(the difference between Jews and non-Jews) is “so great that the bodies should be considered as completely different species.”

“An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness.”

“The entire creation (of a non-Jew) exists only for the sake of the Jews.”

-Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson.

Professor Motti Inbari, an Israeli academic who now teaches in the U.S., writes, “the commandment ‘You shall not murder’ does not apply to the killing of a Gentile, since ‘you shall not murder’ relates to the murder of a human, while (for orthodox Jews) the Gentiles do not constitute humans.”

Every Jew, is a sinner.

Every non-Jew, is a sinner.

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Those who love the Tanakh [Jewish bible] will find themselves influenced by a discriminating spirit.

A spirit which separates those who love the Tanakh, from those who do not know it [or from those who reject the emphasis of its contents].

Those who love the Tanakh, are blessed, by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Many are unable to believe this.

But it is true. ...it is the truth.

Psalms 1:1
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

Psalms 25:8
Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.
9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.
10 All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.
11 For thy name's sake, O LORD, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great.
12 What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.
13 His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

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Re: The West Bank, of the Jordan river
Reply #12 - Aug 1^st, 2019 at 10:43am

Master-slave:

There are many verses which award Gentiles as slaves - Genesis 9:25-27, 25:23; 27:38-41; Leviticus 25:44-46; Numbers 31:15, 17-18; Deuteronomy 6:10-11, 20:13-14; Psalm 2:7-9, 18:40-45, 72:8-11, 110:1-7; Isaiah 60:10-12, 61:5-6.

And based on Zechariah 8:23, the Talmud says: "Resh Lakish said: He who is observant of fringes will be privileged to be served by two thousand eight hundred slaves, for it is said, Thus saith the Lord of hosts: In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold, out of all the languages of the nations, shall even take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you, etc."
- Shabbath 32b, Soncino Press, London.

Racial superiority continues in the Book of Jubilees which states that Jews should rule over all other peoples of the world: "I am the Lord who created the heaven and the earth, and I shall increase thee and multiply thee exceedingly, and kings will come forth from thee, and they will judge everywhere wherever the foot of the sons of men hath trodden ... I shall give to thy seed all the earth which is under heaven, and they will judge all the nations according to their desires, and after that they will get possession of the whole earth and inherit it for ever."
- Jubilees 32:18–19

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Re: The West Bank, of the Jordan river
Reply #13 - Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 8:57pm

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11^th, 2019 at 7:45pm:

It wasn't always a case of unadulterated hatred between the two peoples. It all started with the advent of Zionism:

'For many centuries, the Muslims ruled Greece. Did the Greeks become Muslims? Did anyone even try to Islamize them? On the contrary, Christian Greeks held the highest positions in the Ottoman administration. The Bulgarians, Serbs, Romanians, Hungarians and other European nations lived at one time or another under Ottoman rule and clung to their Christian faith. Nobody compelled them to become Muslims and all of them remained devoutly Christian.

'There is no evidence whatsoever of any attempt to impose Islam on the Jews. As is well known, under Muslim rule the Jews of Spain enjoyed a bloom the like of which the Jews did not enjoy anywhere else until almost our time.'

Muhammad's Sword ~ Uri Avnery, author, former Israeli politician and founder of the Gush peace movement.

They did make them pay for not being Muslim though. Taxes(Dhimmi/Jizya), child abduction and slavery(Devshirme). Not exactly all get along together singing kumbyah. I don't know what you would feel for people that stole your kids but for me it would be hatred so I'm guessing the guy you are quoting is some sort of Jewish SJW. Yay! Sunshine and unicorns!

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