PZ547 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2019 at 5:50am:


That would make him Mormon, not American.

AiA wrote on Jul 4^th, 2019 at 8:02am:


Yep.  The Mormons were running out of converts so despatched to Europe where they passed around an especially modified book of their new religion

Times were tough in Europe at the time.  The Promised land beckoned.  Tens of thousands of them departed for the US

When they finally made it to Salt Lake, it was to find the Mormons had devilishly misrepresented the tenets of their so-called religion. Specifically, the Mormons had deleted all reference to plural marriages from the editions presented to Europeans

Most had sold their life's possessions to fund their passage to the US.  They had burned their bridges and had to make the best of it

The old guy who erected the ornament atop the new Temple stayed within the Mormon fold

the ancestor who ended up in Nebraska outright rejected Mormonism not long after finding out what the Mormon founders were all about and he and his family succeeded in escaping Salt Lake which, if you know your Mormon history, employed a hit-mob known as the Avenging Angels.  The mobs were comprised of Native Americans and basically contract killers.  Their job was to prevent anyone from escaping Salt Lake.  They murdered people and their bones are still out there under the earth

but my Nebraka oldie and his family were tough and obviously pretty smart.  They made it out and settled in Nebraska.  During their escape from Salt Lake, they came across a woman, on foot. She'd made a run for it.  Her Mormon elder spouse prevented her from taking her children so she'd had to leave them behind, probably hoping to rescue them later.  My ancestral oldie and his family picked the woman up before the Avenging Angels could cut her down and they took her to safety.  All that woman had to trade with to begin her new life out of Mormonism was her watch, which were pretty prized in those days

My Nebraskia oldies had no time for plural marriage and risked their lives to reject it

So one family oldie remained in Utah, the other branch rejected everything Mormonism stood for


but you seem to believe Mormonism is a separate nationality

do you normally advertise your ignorance so openly?

did you imagine you'd embarrass me with your 'quick uptake' reference to Mormonism?

I mentioned Utah at the outset, knowing full well it's association with Mormonism

AiA wrote on Jul 4^th, 2019 at 8:34am:


I wouldn't know.  I'm not a Mormon

Are you, or have you been, a Mormon?


Behind all those dinky 'new' religions (and the old Abrahamic ones) sit the usual suspects, as always

Dianetics become Scientology.  money raking


Mormonism become Latter Day Saints .. money raking

the Jovial Witnesses

and the Adventists


heaps of others


all nuts, there to make you nuts


God's there.  He says, ask and I'll deliver.  Who needs religions apart from those who want to 'gather together'.  Fine if that's what they choose.  I like to go one on one with God myself. And He's never told me otherwise

but it's a different time now and religions are doing it tough.  Back in the mid 1800s, religion was their hope for the future, because day to day was grinding work and hardship.  They figured if they kept their noses to the grindstone and basically obeyed those who claimed to be plugged into God personally, they might scrape a decent sort of afterlife out of it.  No antibiotics or penicillin. Diseases rampant.  They were lucky to pull three living kids out of six.  They weren't educated or sophisticated and believed their 'betters'

Today, you just have to look at the crap peddled by Mormonism to wonder how anyone fell for it back then.  Peep stones.  Plagiarised manuscripts intended to be a novel.  Golden tablets.  Angels called ..... Moroni !  They'd be laughed out of town today.  But back then, Joseph Smith had many wealthy backers, it's said. And they saved his bacon.  As for his sergeants in arms, etc., he collected a bunch of lascivious, power mad, money mad perverts ... I must add, 'in my opinion'.  They belonged to the Breed or Perish mentality, same as the Australian governments after WW2 and their Yellow Peril scaremongering and stupid selection of migrants

So the 'mormon elders and founders' were grabbing each others pre-teen daughters in the end ... claiming it to be the will of God .. and impregnating everything in sight to grow what today would be classified as a 'movement' or 'cult'.  And the echoes of that mentality still poses a problem today for those Mormons who're trying to clean up their religion's reputation


I don't blame the oldie who had to stay.  He was pushed into southern utah, a land of living hell, along with others who were banished, basically.  Although these days it's sanitised and it's said they 'heeded the call'.  No, he was banished as were the others.  They weren't falling in line to the elders' satisfaction. And everything he'd built was 'embraced' -- as in stolen.  In fact, his original house, not the larger, finer one he later built before being banished, is located in the inner sanctum in Salt Lake and is on the tourist guide

By the time he climbed that spire to install the ball, he was an old man. He'd worked his guts out. People that age a hundred years ago, were OLD.  And they used him up to his last breath.  He's in the Utah Pioneers guide, but in life he was stuck in the ground with a worn out grave stone.  He'd come from a wealthy land-owning family prior to being sucked in by the Mormon missionaries who travelled to Europe in search of converts.  Bet he regrets ever seeing their lying faces

but as religions go, is Mormonism/Latter Day Saints-ism any worse than most religions?  Is the Pope and his merry gang better or just less exposed and far richer, having held a forced monopoly for longer?  Is Islam better, is Judaism?

God must shake his head and mutter, 'What the hell are you monkeys up to down there?  Why do you need all the clap trap when I've been right here all along?  Why must you compete with your fake religions?  You know they're all about power and money.  When will you monkeys wake up and grow up?

SerialBrain9 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2019 at 7:25am:


Even if I didn't bother to get any facts or stats to back it up (like the current make up of the Congress and the citizenship of its members), it would still be a far more reliable source than anything you're so eager to believe from Q or the other conspiracy bullshit sources you can't help but fellate to completion down your throat so eagerly.