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Folau vs Yassmin
Jul 2nd, 2019 at 6:40pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 5:28pm:
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mothra wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 6:48pm:
I'm still amazed at the outrage on Folau'ss behalf by the very same mob calling for the head of Yassmin Abdel-Mageid.

She didn't say anyone was going to hell either. She just asked us to be compassionate.



yes but she is muslim ... how dare she ask middle aged white men to do anything
She stood up for her religious beliefs like falou. She even went as far as to tell us that Sharia is great for females? Pity she had to use ANZAC Day as a platform to have a go at our soldiers.


She did absolutely none of that.


Grin She absolutely did.


She told us that Islam was the most feminine religion. Sounds more like mocking religious beliefs than standing up for them. People mocked her for being an idiot, not for being a Muslim.

The usual suspects here whined about how criticising her for saying stupid poo was restricting her freedom of speech. But when the tables were turned and Folau was actually fired, they changed their tune. The hypocrisy of the apologists knows no limits.
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Reply #1 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:05pm
 
It occurs to me that Yassmin is the perfect example of how freedom of speech is supposed to work, while Folau is the perfect example of how to stick your head in your rectum, create a mountain out of a molehill, and turn a man into a martyr for freedom of speech over a banal and familiar opinion.

Yassmin was rightly mocked for saying stupid things, misappropriating public funds to line her own pockets, lying about Islam, and getting hysterical about the criticism she rightly deserved. Despite having plenty of perfectly legal reasons to fire her, the ABC stood by her and refused. But she wilted under the glaring reality of what people think of her. It seemed to take her by surprise. Being an ugly black female Muslim of apparently limited intelligence and perception, she was probably accustomed to being a protected species at the ABC and SBS. She ran away from freedom of speech, while the usual apologists were trying to turn the public mockery of her into an attack on free speech, as though she should be able to do and say stupid things without anyone noticing.

Folau ran towards freedom of speech. Rather than subject him to public criticism for his opinion, the homofascists did the cowardly thing and conspired behind the scenes to make him lose his job - a move that is likely to turn out to be illegal. Then they followed this up with celebrating gofundme pulling his campaign. Both propelled Folau into the spotlight, massively increased public support for him, and allowed him to raise $2million in 2 days. Now he is likely to win the case or get a favourable settlement, all under the public eye. He said something stupid and the homofascists turned him into a hero of free speech for it.

The two cases could not be more different, yet somehow the usual apologists are now trying to use Yassmin to accuse those who support freedom of speech of hypocrisy. Perhaps they should go back and look at what was actually said - their own hysterical claims that criticising Yassmin infringed on her freedom of speech, and their hypocritical backflip on Folau.
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Reply #2 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:44pm
 
Well done.

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Reply #3 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:45pm
 
What Yassmin said and did, particularly her claim that Islam is the most feminist religion, was absurd, controversial and unfamiliar. Pretty much the definition of newsworthy.

What Folau said was completely uninteresting. Everyone already knows where gays go when they die. It was only the hysterical, cowardly and most likely illegal conspiracy to get him fired that made him newsworthy. He has handled the situation with a quiet dignity, sticking to his position and calmly going about seeking justice.

Pretty much the opposite of Yassmin. Watching her dig herself in deeper with every comment was like watching a slow motion train wreck, finally ending with a crescendo of her blaming everyone but herself for the stupid poo she pulled. She tried to do a Kim Kardashian, but was totally unprepared for the response and she refused to learn from any of her mistakes along the way. She fled to London, tail between her legs, still blaming others.
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Reply #4 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:55pm
 
You are kidding me. 

Finally, it is clear...you are a Happy Clapping OT Bible Bashing homophobic devotee.  I seriously have and by a large margin overestimated you.

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Is there anything in the Old Testament you disagree with Effendi?
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Reply #5 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 8:12pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:45pm:
What Yassmin said and did, particularly her claim that Islam is the most feminist religion, was absurd, controversial and unfamiliar. Pretty much the definition of newsworthy.

What Folau said was completely uninteresting. Everyone already knows where gays go when they die. It was only the hysterical, cowardly and most likely illegal conspiracy to get him fired that made him newsworthy. He has handled the situation with a quiet dignity, sticking to his position and calmly going about seeking justice.

Pretty much the opposite of Yassmin. Watching her dig herself in deeper with every comment was like watching a slow motion train wreck, finally ending with a crescendo of her blaming everyone but herself for the stupid poo she pulled. She tried to do a Kim Kardashian, but was totally unprepared for the response and she refused to learn from any of her mistakes along the way. She fled to London, tail between her legs, still blaming others.


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.........  He has handled the situation with a quiet dignity, sticking to his position       .......


I have grown up and been with these people for decades.
What you have said is exactly what they are.

They are quietly spoken, honest, gentle, loving people.
Whenever they speak, be quiet and listen intently.

They are a beautiful people.
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Reply #6 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 8:33pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 6:40pm:
The usual suspects here whined about how criticising her for saying stupid poo was restricting her freedom of speech.



I'm calling bullshit on that claim. You're full of it FD.

Don't you think it's about time you sought professional help
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Reply #7 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 8:41pm
 
I heard Yasmin is in Australia right now. Hanging around like a fly to a turd. That silly head with it's bright red lipstick and s hit covering it's hair just makes one want to punch it.
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Reply #8 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 8:45pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 8:41pm:
I heard Yasmin is in Australia right now. Hanging around like a fly to a turd. That silly head with it's bright red lipstick and s hit covering it's hair just makes one want to punch it.



I, for one, am not surprised that you would get your jollies by punching a woman for voicing her opinion.

you're one of the crusaders for free speech aren't you? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #9 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 8:46pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:55pm:
You are kidding me. 

Finally, it is clear...you are a Happy Clapping OT Bible Bashing homophobic devotee.  I seriously have and by a large margin overestimated you.

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Everyone already knows where gays go when they die.


Is there anything in the Old Testament you disagree with Effendi?


Relax Aussie. I am not saying I agree with Folau. Just that everyone has heard it before.

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They are a beautiful people.


Are you talking about Tongans?
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Reply #10 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 8:50pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:55pm:
You are kidding me. 

Finally, it is clear...you are a Happy Clapping OT Bible Bashing homophobic devotee.  I seriously have and by a large margin overestimated you.

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Everyone already knows where gays go when they die.


Is there anything in the Old Testament you disagree with Effendi?


Come on Effendi. Telling me to 'relax' is just silly.

Tell us please.....where are the Poofs going when they pass?

You said you knew.

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Reply #11 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 8:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 8:46pm:
Relax Aussie. I am not saying I agree with Folau. Just that everyone has heard it before.



no need to back down FD. You should grow a set of balls and stand by your beliefs. You made the claim, now stick to it. Don't pretend you said something else when it is so plainly obvious what you said.
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Reply #12 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 9:04pm
 
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Where, Effendi?
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Reply #13 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 9:30pm
 
This is even stupider than when you 'caught' me saying that contracts are an invention.
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Reply #14 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 9:51pm
 
The difference between Falou and Yasmin?

She didn't rely on an invisible man in the sky to back up her argument.

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Raven wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 9:51pm:
The difference between Falou and Yasmin?

She didn't rely on an invisible man in the sky to back up her argument.



So when she said Islam was the most feminist religion, she was going by what she saw around her in Saudi Arabia at the time?
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Reply #16 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:11pm
 
Manus, Nauru, Palestine. Lest we forget.

Six words.

Ban them, kill them, cesterete them.

Feel like answering a question, Freediver?
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Reply #17 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:14pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 8:12pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:45pm:
What Yassmin said and did, particularly her claim that Islam is the most feminist religion, was absurd, controversial and unfamiliar. Pretty much the definition of newsworthy.

What Folau said was completely uninteresting. Everyone already knows where gays go when they die. It was only the hysterical, cowardly and most likely illegal conspiracy to get him fired that made him newsworthy. He has handled the situation with a quiet dignity, sticking to his position and calmly going about seeking justice.

Pretty much the opposite of Yassmin. Watching her dig herself in deeper with every comment was like watching a slow motion train wreck, finally ending with a crescendo of her blaming everyone but herself for the stupid poo she pulled. She tried to do a Kim Kardashian, but was totally unprepared for the response and she refused to learn from any of her mistakes along the way. She fled to London, tail between her legs, still blaming others.


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.........  He has handled the situation with a quiet dignity, sticking to his position       .......


I have grown up and been with these people for decades.
What you have said is exactly what they are.

They are quietly spoken, honest, gentle, loving people.
Whenever they speak, be quiet and listen intently.

They are a beautiful people.


They're tinted.
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Reply #18 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:20pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 8:46pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:55pm:
You are kidding me. 

Finally, it is clear...you are a Happy Clapping OT Bible Bashing homophobic devotee.  I seriously have and by a large margin overestimated you.

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Everyone already knows where gays go when they die.


Is there anything in the Old Testament you disagree with Effendi?


Relax Aussie. I am not saying I agree with Folau. Just that everyone has heard it before.

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They are a beautiful people.


Are you talking about Tongans?


I think he was, FD.

Where do they go when they die?
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Reply #19 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:39pm
 
My first response was to laugh...


Of course Yassmin had the right to say Islam was the most feminist religion and the most peaceful on earth......

The ribald laughter came from the actual content of the statements she was entitled to make.... and that kitchen was too hot for her... poor darling...

Meantime big, butch Israel is fighting his critics - and just to remind you - nobody sacked Yassmin for her vapid comments .... she just couldn't stand the heat of the walls of laughter...
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Reply #20 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 8:46pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:55pm:
You are kidding me. 

Finally, it is clear...you are a Happy Clapping OT Bible Bashing homophobic devotee.  I seriously have and by a large margin overestimated you.

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Everyone already knows where gays go when they die.


Is there anything in the Old Testament you disagree with Effendi?


Relax Aussie. I am not saying I agree with Folau. Just that everyone has heard it before.

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They are a beautiful people.


Are you talking about Tongans?


Very Tongan in cheek, though.....
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Reply #21 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:45pm
 
Raven wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 9:51pm:
The difference between Falou and Yasmin?

She didn't rely on an invisible man in the sky to back up her argument.



So Islam has nothing to do with an invisible man in the sky - who'd 've thunk it?

Drink two coffees after waking up before opening mouth .....
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Reply #22 - Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:51pm
 
Folau should take his punishment like a man, not the whiney bitch he is now.

RA will now replace Folau with a rugby player, not a hate propagator like Folau.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:51pm:
Folau should take his punishment like a man, not the whiney bitch he is now.

RA will now replace Folau with a rugby player, not a hate propagator like Folau.


Or like you.

RA won't/can't replace Folau ... they haven't got the depth of talent.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:45pm:
Raven wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 9:51pm:
The difference between Falou and Yasmin?

She didn't rely on an invisible man in the sky to back up her argument.



So Islam has nothing to do with an invisible man in the sky - who'd 've thunk it?

Drink two coffees after waking up before opening mouth .....


I see . . . . .  so knowing her religion makes all the difference in interpreting what she says? Muslims not allowed to be taken at face value?

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Reply #25 - Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:45am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:51pm:
Folau should take his punishment like a man, not the whiney bitch he is now.


Exactly.

Why isn't he following the Christian doctrine?

"If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.

"And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well."


...

I don't think this guy is a Christian at all.

I think he's just a greedy little attention whore, using religion to get what he wants.
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Reply #26 - Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:47am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:42am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:45pm:
Raven wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 9:51pm:
The difference between Falou and Yasmin?

She didn't rely on an invisible man in the sky to back up her argument.



So Islam has nothing to do with an invisible man in the sky - who'd 've thunk it?

Drink two coffees after waking up before opening mouth .....


I see . . . . .  so knowing her religion makes all the difference in interpreting what she says? Muslims not allowed to be taken at face value?

Spot


Where did I say that?

All I did was say that both Christianity and Islam hold to the idea of an invisible man in the sky - so attacking Folau on that basis was absurd...

Sometimes your thinking is abstruse.... and seems to perpetually seek victimhood for specified groups when you should be looking at truly equal treatment...
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Reply #27 - Jul 3rd, 2019 at 12:00pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:47am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:42am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:45pm:
Raven wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 9:51pm:
The difference between Falou and Yasmin?

She didn't rely on an invisible man in the sky to back up her argument.



So Islam has nothing to do with an invisible man in the sky - who'd 've thunk it?

Drink two coffees after waking up before opening mouth .....


I see . . . . .  so knowing her religion makes all the difference in interpreting what she says? Muslims not allowed to be taken at face value?

Spot


Where did I say that?

All I did was say that both Christianity and Islam hold to the idea of an invisible man in the sky - so attacking Folau on that basis was absurd...

Sometimes your thinking is abstruse.... and seems to perpetually seek victimhood for specified groups when you should be looking at truly equal treatment...


She didnt quote from the koran though. She was victimised because ppl KNOW shes muslim. Falau on the other hand is pushing his religion at ppl.

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Reply #28 - Jul 3rd, 2019 at 12:03pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:05pm:

It occurs to me that Yassmin is the perfect example of how freedom of speech is supposed to work [AND ON].....




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QUESTION;
Isn't free and open [public] debate meant to be     A CONTEST OF IDEAS !?

....where every folly can be exposed ?



And isn't that, precisely why such debate is prohibited, in a political state like the People's Republic of China today ?




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Folau is a hate propagandist and a bogus Christian. 99.99% of Christians are bogus.

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Reply #30 - Jul 3rd, 2019 at 12:22pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:42am:

Muslims not allowed to be taken at face value?

Spot





To do so, is only for the terminally naive,     ...imo.




Why so ?

All followers of ISLAM,        ....are two faced.

Proof ?

Read on.



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"ISLAM ES PAZ"


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Everyone knows that true ISLAM, is a religion of peace.

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Ali Kadri - Islamic Council of Queensland vice-president,
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Quote:

"There's no underlying religious text or reasons why [moslems] go out and kill people......"


- Ali Kadri
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"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22


"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51


"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4



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EXAMPLE, MOSLEM DECEIT;

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior


January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."


Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...




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EXAMPLE, MOSLEM DECEIT;

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims

London, Sept.8 [2007]

A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.

Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....

He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece




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EXAMPLE, MOSLEM DECEIT;

Quote:

A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."


http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine




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Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 12:13pm:
Folau is a hate propagandist and a bogus Christian. 99.99% of Christians are bogus.

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― Mahatma Gandhi 


He's no Christian.

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 12:00pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:47am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:42am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:45pm:
Raven wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 9:51pm:
The difference between Falou and Yasmin?

She didn't rely on an invisible man in the sky to back up her argument.



So Islam has nothing to do with an invisible man in the sky - who'd 've thunk it?

Drink two coffees after waking up before opening mouth .....


I see . . . . .  so knowing her religion makes all the difference in interpreting what she says? Muslims not allowed to be taken at face value?

Spot


Where did I say that?

All I did was say that both Christianity and Islam hold to the idea of an invisible man in the sky - so attacking Folau on that basis was absurd...

Sometimes your thinking is abstruse.... and seems to perpetually seek victimhood for specified groups when you should be looking at truly equal treatment...


She didnt quote from the koran though. She was victimised because ppl KNOW shes muslim. Falau on the other hand is pushing his religion at ppl.

Spot


Anyone who says that Islam is the most feminist religion is going to get mocked, be they Muslim or spineless apologist.

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Folau is a hate propagandist and a bogus Christian. 99.99% of Christians are bogus.


Quote:
He's no Christian.


So what? Does freedom of speech and freedom of religion depend on whether you approve of his interpretation? I'm sure there are plenty of Muslims who think Yassmin is a hypocrit and needs her head removed.
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Gnads wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:40am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:51pm:
Folau should take his punishment like a man, not the whiney bitch he is now.

RA will now replace Folau with a rugby player, not a hate propagator like Folau.


Or like you.

RA won't/can't replace Folau ... they haven't got the depth of talent.


Hate-propagating is a talent?
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Everyone already knows where gays go when they die.


I don't Effendi.  So do tell.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 2:00pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:40am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:51pm:
Folau should take his punishment like a man, not the whiney bitch he is now.

RA will now replace Folau with a rugby player, not a hate propagator like Folau.


Or like you.

RA won't/can't replace Folau ... they haven't got the depth of talent.


Hate-propagating is a talent?



Sometimes you make sense, Laugh

other times, not so much

For someone who makes jokes about atrocities, suddenly here you are bitching about something which I at least would have expected you to either ignore because too normal or joke about because that's what you do

so are we to believe now that you're an ardent fan of LGBTIxxxxx

or you fester with hatred over handsome brown guys

or (and I find this difficult to accept) you're too dense, too thick, too stupid to realise/accept that Folau did NOT single out gays

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PZ547 wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 2:00pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:40am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:51pm:
Folau should take his punishment like a man, not the whiney bitch he is now.

RA will now replace Folau with a rugby player, not a hate propagator like Folau.


Or like you.

RA won't/can't replace Folau ... they haven't got the depth of talent.


Hate-propagating is a talent?



Sometimes you make sense, Laugh

other times, not so much

For someone who makes jokes about atrocities, suddenly here you are bitching about something which I at least would have expected you to either ignore because too normal or joke about because that's what you do

so are we to believe now that you're an ardent fan of LGBTIxxxxx

or you fester with hatred over handsome brown guys

or (and I find this difficult to accept) you're too dense, too thick, too stupid to realise/accept that Folau did NOT single out gays



Folau never lived up to public expectations in rugby or religion.

Folau is an extremist nutjob and there is no place in public life for extremists or nutjobs.
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Effendi:

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Everyone already knows where gays go when they die.


I don't Effendi.  So do tell.


They will go to Hell and they will share a space with only heterosexuals......
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Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 5:18pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 2:05pm:
Effendi:

Quote:
Everyone already knows where gays go when they die.


I don't Effendi.  So do tell.


They will go to Hell and they will share a space with only heterosexuals......


So the heterosexuals are in hell with only gay's?

😂

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Hate to break up a sky daddy convention but they go in the ground/back to earth.....just like everything/everyone else.
That is the only thing we ALL have in common. We cease. Our cells stop dividing altogether,  instead separating and go there own way. We call it death....and we all have it coming. 👍
People are scared of it. Crack up really.



Folau can write what he wants and post it on HIS Facebook account. Im sure if he had of piped up a d said islam is great for women hed get shot down too. Vise versa with pub tuls. She could believe the same thing as IZ. Couldn't care less. But FFS stop being offended by absolutely everything. Offendeds are a fuct up breed. Hurt feelings is not an excuse. Get over it. The so called breech of contract is what they've run with....but highlight the exact breech please. So far I have only seen things that apply to RUGBY. Nothing about personal life AWAY from rugby.
It's as if hurt feelings brigade think people actually give a fkkk. Ha. Self righteous lunatics.

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:42am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:45pm:
Raven wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 9:51pm:
The difference between Falou and Yasmin?

She didn't rely on an invisible man in the sky to back up her argument.



So Islam has nothing to do with an invisible man in the sky - who'd 've thunk it?

Drink two coffees after waking up before opening mouth .....


I see . . . . .  so knowing her religion makes all the difference in interpreting what she says? Muslims not allowed to be taken at face value?

Spot


She was taken at face value - a hypocritical TNUC.
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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 12:00pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:47am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:42am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:45pm:
Raven wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 9:51pm:
The difference between Falou and Yasmin?

She didn't rely on an invisible man in the sky to back up her argument.



So Islam has nothing to do with an invisible man in the sky - who'd 've thunk it?

Drink two coffees after waking up before opening mouth .....


I see . . . . .  so knowing her religion makes all the difference in interpreting what she says? Muslims not allowed to be taken at face value?

Spot


Where did I say that?

All I did was say that both Christianity and Islam hold to the idea of an invisible man in the sky - so attacking Folau on that basis was absurd...

Sometimes your thinking is abstruse.... and seems to perpetually seek victimhood for specified groups when you should be looking at truly equal treatment...


She didnt quote from the koran though. She was victimised because ppl KNOW shes muslim. Falau on the other hand is pushing his religion at ppl.

Spot


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Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 12:13pm:
Folau is a hate propagandist and a bogus Christian. 99.99% of Christians are bogus.

Quote:
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― Mahatma Gandhi 


Like you.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 2:00pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:40am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:51pm:
Folau should take his punishment like a man, not the whiney bitch he is now.

RA will now replace Folau with a rugby player, not a hate propagator like Folau.


Or like you.

RA won't/can't replace Folau ... they haven't got the depth of talent.


Hate-propagating is a talent?


You should know you're one of them.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 5:03pm:
PZ547 wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 2:00pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:40am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:51pm:
Folau should take his punishment like a man, not the whiney bitch he is now.

RA will now replace Folau with a rugby player, not a hate propagator like Folau.


Or like you.

RA won't/can't replace Folau ... they haven't got the depth of talent.


Hate-propagating is a talent?



Sometimes you make sense, Laugh

other times, not so much

For someone who makes jokes about atrocities, suddenly here you are bitching about something which I at least would have expected you to either ignore because too normal or joke about because that's what you do

so are we to believe now that you're an ardent fan of LGBTIxxxxx

or you fester with hatred over handsome brown guys

or (and I find this difficult to accept) you're too dense, too thick, too stupid to realise/accept that Folau did NOT single out gays



Folau never lived up to public expectations in rugby or religion.

Folau is an extremist nutjob and there is no place in public life for extremists or nutjobs.


You're a feckin idiot as well ... he is the savior of the Wallabies ... without him they are a sad bunch at the moment.

You wouldn't know your arse from your elbow.
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Gnads wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 6:51pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 5:03pm:
PZ547 wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 2:00pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:40am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 11:51pm:
Folau should take his punishment like a man, not the whiney bitch he is now.

RA will now replace Folau with a rugby player, not a hate propagator like Folau.


Or like you.

RA won't/can't replace Folau ... they haven't got the depth of talent.


Hate-propagating is a talent?



Sometimes you make sense, Laugh

other times, not so much

For someone who makes jokes about atrocities, suddenly here you are bitching about something which I at least would have expected you to either ignore because too normal or joke about because that's what you do

so are we to believe now that you're an ardent fan of LGBTIxxxxx

or you fester with hatred over handsome brown guys

or (and I find this difficult to accept) you're too dense, too thick, too stupid to realise/accept that Folau did NOT single out gays



Folau never lived up to public expectations in rugby or religion.

Folau is an extremist nutjob and there is no place in public life for extremists or nutjobs.


You're a feckin idiot as well ... he is the savior of the Wallabies ... without him they are a sad bunch at the moment.

You wouldn't know your arse from your elbow.



Obviously knows nothing about Rugby....
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Folau the saviour, turned into a martyr by conniving homofascists.
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Aussie wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 2:05pm:
Effendi:

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Everyone already knows where gays go when they die.


I don't Effendi.  So do tell.


Effendi?
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You must have missed my previous response Aussie. Never mind.
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freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 8:07pm:
You must have missed my previous response Aussie. Never mind.


No, I did not miss it at all which is why I am repeating the question just like you do when anyone fails to answer you responsively.

"Don't get excited" or "never mind" does not cut the mustard.

May we have your answer, Effendi.

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Where?
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Crucify the bastard.
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I am quite astonished that freediver would bring this up as it only makes his argument more foolish.
Lets compare the 2 situations

Yassmin Abdel-Magied
Made a controversial post on social media. deleted the post and apologized for it yet still had the right wing media calling for her sacking.

Israel Falou
Made a controversial post on social media. has done so multiple times and has refused to apologize. Get's sacked for breach of contract. the right wing media claim freedom of speech

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The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 9:53pm:
I am quite astonished that freediver would bring this up as it only makes his argument more foolish.
Lets compare the 2 situations

Yassmin Abdel-Magied
Made a controversial post on social media. deleted the post and apologized for it yet still had the right wing media calling for her sacking.

Israel Falou
Made a controversial post on social media. has done so multiple times and has refused to apologize. Get's sacked for breach of contract. the right wing media claim freedom of speech

spot the hypocrisy


Yassmin said and did a lot of stupid poo. Even she didn't get fired.
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freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 10:04pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 9:53pm:
I am quite astonished that freediver would bring this up as it only makes his argument more foolish.
Lets compare the 2 situations

Yassmin Abdel-Magied
Made a controversial post on social media. deleted the post and apologized for it yet still had the right wing media calling for her sacking.

Israel Falou
Made a controversial post on social media. has done so multiple times and has refused to apologize. Get's sacked for breach of contract. the right wing media claim freedom of speech

spot the hypocrisy


Yassmin said and did a lot of stupid poo. Even she didn't get fired.


She didn't breach her contract.
Yet despite this all the right wingers were calling for her sacking.
The very same people who are now defending faluo

It's clear that people like you, freediver, only believe in freedom of speech when you agree with what is being said
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freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 10:04pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 9:53pm:
I am quite astonished that freediver would bring this up as it only makes his argument more foolish.
Lets compare the 2 situations

Yassmin Abdel-Magied
Made a controversial post on social media. deleted the post and apologized for it yet still had the right wing media calling for her sacking.

Israel Falou
Made a controversial post on social media. has done so multiple times and has refused to apologize. Get's sacked for breach of contract. the right wing media claim freedom of speech

spot the hypocrisy


Yassmin said and did a lot of stupid poo. Even she didn't get fired.


She doesn't play rugby for Australia.
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Reply #55 - Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:01pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 9:53pm:
I am quite astonished that freediver would bring this up as it only makes his argument more foolish.
Lets compare the 2 situations

Yassmin Abdel-Magied
Made a controversial post on social media. deleted the post and apologized for it yet still had the right wing media calling for her sacking.

Israel Falou
Made a controversial post on social media. has done so multiple times and has refused to apologize. Get's sacked for breach of contract. the right wing media claim freedom of speech

spot the hypocrisy


Not just the right wing media.
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/rugby-australia-israel-folau-firing...
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The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 10:15pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 10:04pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 9:53pm:
I am quite astonished that freediver would bring this up as it only makes his argument more foolish.
Lets compare the 2 situations

Yassmin Abdel-Magied
Made a controversial post on social media. deleted the post and apologized for it yet still had the right wing media calling for her sacking.

Israel Falou
Made a controversial post on social media. has done so multiple times and has refused to apologize. Get's sacked for breach of contract. the right wing media claim freedom of speech

spot the hypocrisy


Yassmin said and did a lot of stupid poo. Even she didn't get fired.


She didn't breach her contract.
Yet despite this all the right wingers were calling for her sacking.
The very same people who are now defending faluo

It's clear that people like you, freediver, only believe in freedom of speech when you agree with what is being said



How was Yassmin's freedom to state her views not upheld?  She got to state them - the public then decided they were stupid utterances and laughed her out of town... better than a tar and feather ride on a rail... nobody sacked her - she quit and went elsewhere to state the same silly views... nobody terminated her contract.... she quit ....

It was her way or the highway .....

If Israel Folau's views had been treated to laughter and derision - I doubt he would have resigned from the Wallabies and gone to England... he would just have shrugged his shoulders and gone on with both holding his views and Rugby... pretty close to live and let live...

It was acceptance of opposing views and moving on without giving an ultimatum .....

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freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 8:07pm:
You must have missed my previous response Aussie. Never mind.


No, I did not miss it at all which is why I am repeating the question just like you do when anyone fails to answer you responsively.

"Don't get excited" or "never mind" does not cut the mustard.

May we have your answer, Effendi.

Quote:
Everyone already knows where gays go when they die.


Where?


Now now, Aussie, we all know where people who ask FD questions go.
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The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 10:15pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 10:04pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 9:53pm:
I am quite astonished that freediver would bring this up as it only makes his argument more foolish.
Lets compare the 2 situations

Yassmin Abdel-Magied
Made a controversial post on social media. deleted the post and apologized for it yet still had the right wing media calling for her sacking.

Israel Falou
Made a controversial post on social media. has done so multiple times and has refused to apologize. Get's sacked for breach of contract. the right wing media claim freedom of speech

spot the hypocrisy


Yassmin said and did a lot of stupid poo. Even she didn't get fired.


She didn't breach her contract.
Yet despite this all the right wingers were calling for her sacking.
The very same people who are now defending faluo

It's clear that people like you, freediver, only believe in freedom of speech when you agree with what is being said


Who called for her sacking?

How do you know she didn't breach her contract?

Yassmin misappropriated taxpayer funds to line her own pocket. That is not some kind of fundamental human right, and a far cry from posting your religious views on your own facebook feed. And at the end of the day, she was not sacked. Folau was.
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Reply #59 - Jul 4th, 2019 at 1:54pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 9:53am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 10:15pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 10:04pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 9:53pm:
I am quite astonished that freediver would bring this up as it only makes his argument more foolish.
Lets compare the 2 situations

Yassmin Abdel-Magied
Made a controversial post on social media. deleted the post and apologized for it yet still had the right wing media calling for her sacking.

Israel Falou
Made a controversial post on social media. has done so multiple times and has refused to apologize. Get's sacked for breach of contract. the right wing media claim freedom of speech

spot the hypocrisy


Yassmin said and did a lot of stupid poo. Even she didn't get fired.


She didn't breach her contract.
Yet despite this all the right wingers were calling for her sacking.
The very same people who are now defending faluo

It's clear that people like you, freediver, only believe in freedom of speech when you agree with what is being said


Who called for her sacking?

How do you know she didn't breach her contract?

Yassmin misappropriated taxpayer funds to line her own pocket. That is not some kind of fundamental human right, and a far cry from posting your religious views on your own facebook feed. And at the end of the day, she was not sacked. Folau was.


Eric Abetz for starters. I'm sure there were other liberal politicians, and naturally the usual conga line from Newscorp(se). And that was just for the 'lest we forget' tweet.

Will you now direct your free speech crusade against these right wing attacks?
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Reply #60 - Jul 4th, 2019 at 2:00pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 10:15pm:

It's clear that people like you, freediver, only believe in freedom of speech when you agree with what is being said


FD goes into witness protection whenever the usual mob call for any restrictions on freedom to practice Islam. Or if he does say anything it will be to spinelessly apologise for these attacks. He has even stated once that he if muslims can't reign in the terrorists, he'll consider joining the calls for banning muslim's freedom.

When confronted with this double standard, he'll refer to that one time 5 years ago that he defended the burqa.

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Reply #61 - Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:43pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 2:00pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 10:15pm:

It's clear that people like you, freediver, only believe in freedom of speech when you agree with what is being said


FD goes into witness protection whenever the usual mob call for any restrictions on freedom to practice Islam. Or if he does say anything it will be to spinelessly apologise for these attacks. He has even stated once that he if muslims can't reign in the terrorists, he'll consider joining the calls for banning muslim's freedom.

When confronted with this double standard, he'll refer to that one time 5 years ago that he defended the burqa.



You were the one calling for mosques to be closed and Muslims to be punished for holding placards, not me.

Quote:
Eric Abetz for starters.


Ah, one person called for her sacking. The "very same" people now defending Folau?
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Reply #62 - Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:52pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:05pm:
It occurs to me that Yassmin is the perfect example of how freedom of speech is supposed to work, while Folau is the perfect example of how to stick your head in your rectum, create a mountain out of a molehill, and turn a man into a martyr for freedom of speech over a banal and familiar opinion.

Yassmin was rightly mocked for saying stupid things, misappropriating public funds to line her own pockets, lying about Islam, and getting hysterical about the criticism she rightly deserved. Despite having plenty of perfectly legal reasons to fire her, the ABC stood by her and refused. But she wilted under the glaring reality of what people think of her. It seemed to take her by surprise. Being an ugly black female Muslim of apparently limited intelligence and perception, she was probably accustomed to being a protected species at the ABC and SBS. She ran away from freedom of speech, while the usual apologists were trying to turn the public mockery of her into an attack on free speech, as though she should be able to do and say stupid things without anyone noticing.

Folau ran towards freedom of speech. Rather than subject him to public criticism for his opinion, the homofascists did the cowardly thing and conspired behind the scenes to make him lose his job - a move that is likely to turn out to be illegal. Then they followed this up with celebrating gofundme pulling his campaign. Both propelled Folau into the spotlight, massively increased public support for him, and allowed him to raise $2million in 2 days. Now he is likely to win the case or get a favourable settlement, all under the public eye. He said something stupid and the homofascists turned him into a hero of free speech for it.

The two cases could not be more different, yet somehow the usual apologists are now trying to use Yassmin to accuse those who support freedom of speech of hypocrisy. Perhaps they should go back and look at what was actually said - their own hysterical claims that criticising Yassmin infringed on her freedom of speech, and their hypocritical backflip on Folau.


The difference between these two situations is the morality of their ideas. Folau expressed a repugnant view, whilst Yassmin expressed a non-repugnant view. Sure, the latter may not be true but if we're going into the realm of objective morals, then it is clear that Yassmin's views are objectively more moral than Folau's.
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Reply #63 - Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:58pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:05pm:
It occurs to me that Yassmin is the perfect example of how freedom of speech is supposed to work, while Folau is the perfect example of how to stick your head in your rectum, create a mountain out of a molehill, and turn a man into a martyr for freedom of speech over a banal and familiar opinion.

Yassmin was rightly mocked for saying stupid things, misappropriating public funds to line her own pockets, lying about Islam, and getting hysterical about the criticism she rightly deserved. Despite having plenty of perfectly legal reasons to fire her, the ABC stood by her and refused. But she wilted under the glaring reality of what people think of her. It seemed to take her by surprise. Being an ugly black female Muslim of apparently limited intelligence and perception, she was probably accustomed to being a protected species at the ABC and SBS. She ran away from freedom of speech, while the usual apologists were trying to turn the public mockery of her into an attack on free speech, as though she should be able to do and say stupid things without anyone noticing.

Folau ran towards freedom of speech. Rather than subject him to public criticism for his opinion, the homofascists did the cowardly thing and conspired behind the scenes to make him lose his job - a move that is likely to turn out to be illegal. Then they followed this up with celebrating gofundme pulling his campaign. Both propelled Folau into the spotlight, massively increased public support for him, and allowed him to raise $2million in 2 days. Now he is likely to win the case or get a favourable settlement, all under the public eye. He said something stupid and the homofascists turned him into a hero of free speech for it.

The two cases could not be more different, yet somehow the usual apologists are now trying to use Yassmin to accuse those who support freedom of speech of hypocrisy. Perhaps they should go back and look at what was actually said - their own hysterical claims that criticising Yassmin infringed on her freedom of speech, and their hypocritical backflip on Folau.


The difference between these two situations is the morality of their ideas. Folau expressed a repugnant view, whilst Yassmin expressed a non-repugnant view. Sure, the latter may not be true but if we're going into the realm of objective morals, then it is clear that Yassmin's views are objectively more moral than Folau's.


Do you think that is relevant when it comes to freedom of speech?
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Reply #64 - Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:00pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:58pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:05pm:
It occurs to me that Yassmin is the perfect example of how freedom of speech is supposed to work, while Folau is the perfect example of how to stick your head in your rectum, create a mountain out of a molehill, and turn a man into a martyr for freedom of speech over a banal and familiar opinion.

Yassmin was rightly mocked for saying stupid things, misappropriating public funds to line her own pockets, lying about Islam, and getting hysterical about the criticism she rightly deserved. Despite having plenty of perfectly legal reasons to fire her, the ABC stood by her and refused. But she wilted under the glaring reality of what people think of her. It seemed to take her by surprise. Being an ugly black female Muslim of apparently limited intelligence and perception, she was probably accustomed to being a protected species at the ABC and SBS. She ran away from freedom of speech, while the usual apologists were trying to turn the public mockery of her into an attack on free speech, as though she should be able to do and say stupid things without anyone noticing.

Folau ran towards freedom of speech. Rather than subject him to public criticism for his opinion, the homofascists did the cowardly thing and conspired behind the scenes to make him lose his job - a move that is likely to turn out to be illegal. Then they followed this up with celebrating gofundme pulling his campaign. Both propelled Folau into the spotlight, massively increased public support for him, and allowed him to raise $2million in 2 days. Now he is likely to win the case or get a favourable settlement, all under the public eye. He said something stupid and the homofascists turned him into a hero of free speech for it.

The two cases could not be more different, yet somehow the usual apologists are now trying to use Yassmin to accuse those who support freedom of speech of hypocrisy. Perhaps they should go back and look at what was actually said - their own hysterical claims that criticising Yassmin infringed on her freedom of speech, and their hypocritical backflip on Folau.


The difference between these two situations is the morality of their ideas. Folau expressed a repugnant view, whilst Yassmin expressed a non-repugnant view. Sure, the latter may not be true but if we're going into the realm of objective morals, then it is clear that Yassmin's views are objectively more moral than Folau's.


Do you think that is relevant when it comes to freedom of speech?


It's relevant in some cases and to a certain extent.

In this situation, I personally have no compunction with Israel Folau being fired. He says gays would go to hell when they die. He should be happy that he won't go to hell then.
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Reply #65 - Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:01pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:00pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:58pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:05pm:
It occurs to me that Yassmin is the perfect example of how freedom of speech is supposed to work, while Folau is the perfect example of how to stick your head in your rectum, create a mountain out of a molehill, and turn a man into a martyr for freedom of speech over a banal and familiar opinion.

Yassmin was rightly mocked for saying stupid things, misappropriating public funds to line her own pockets, lying about Islam, and getting hysterical about the criticism she rightly deserved. Despite having plenty of perfectly legal reasons to fire her, the ABC stood by her and refused. But she wilted under the glaring reality of what people think of her. It seemed to take her by surprise. Being an ugly black female Muslim of apparently limited intelligence and perception, she was probably accustomed to being a protected species at the ABC and SBS. She ran away from freedom of speech, while the usual apologists were trying to turn the public mockery of her into an attack on free speech, as though she should be able to do and say stupid things without anyone noticing.

Folau ran towards freedom of speech. Rather than subject him to public criticism for his opinion, the homofascists did the cowardly thing and conspired behind the scenes to make him lose his job - a move that is likely to turn out to be illegal. Then they followed this up with celebrating gofundme pulling his campaign. Both propelled Folau into the spotlight, massively increased public support for him, and allowed him to raise $2million in 2 days. Now he is likely to win the case or get a favourable settlement, all under the public eye. He said something stupid and the homofascists turned him into a hero of free speech for it.

The two cases could not be more different, yet somehow the usual apologists are now trying to use Yassmin to accuse those who support freedom of speech of hypocrisy. Perhaps they should go back and look at what was actually said - their own hysterical claims that criticising Yassmin infringed on her freedom of speech, and their hypocritical backflip on Folau.


The difference between these two situations is the morality of their ideas. Folau expressed a repugnant view, whilst Yassmin expressed a non-repugnant view. Sure, the latter may not be true but if we're going into the realm of objective morals, then it is clear that Yassmin's views are objectively more moral than Folau's.


Do you think that is relevant when it comes to freedom of speech?


It's relevant in some cases and to a certain extent.

In this situation, I personally have no compunction with Israel Folau being fired. He says gays would go to hell when they die. He should be happy that he won't go to hell then.


Is it relevant in this case?
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Reply #66 - Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:02pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:01pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:00pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:58pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:05pm:
It occurs to me that Yassmin is the perfect example of how freedom of speech is supposed to work, while Folau is the perfect example of how to stick your head in your rectum, create a mountain out of a molehill, and turn a man into a martyr for freedom of speech over a banal and familiar opinion.

Yassmin was rightly mocked for saying stupid things, misappropriating public funds to line her own pockets, lying about Islam, and getting hysterical about the criticism she rightly deserved. Despite having plenty of perfectly legal reasons to fire her, the ABC stood by her and refused. But she wilted under the glaring reality of what people think of her. It seemed to take her by surprise. Being an ugly black female Muslim of apparently limited intelligence and perception, she was probably accustomed to being a protected species at the ABC and SBS. She ran away from freedom of speech, while the usual apologists were trying to turn the public mockery of her into an attack on free speech, as though she should be able to do and say stupid things without anyone noticing.

Folau ran towards freedom of speech. Rather than subject him to public criticism for his opinion, the homofascists did the cowardly thing and conspired behind the scenes to make him lose his job - a move that is likely to turn out to be illegal. Then they followed this up with celebrating gofundme pulling his campaign. Both propelled Folau into the spotlight, massively increased public support for him, and allowed him to raise $2million in 2 days. Now he is likely to win the case or get a favourable settlement, all under the public eye. He said something stupid and the homofascists turned him into a hero of free speech for it.

The two cases could not be more different, yet somehow the usual apologists are now trying to use Yassmin to accuse those who support freedom of speech of hypocrisy. Perhaps they should go back and look at what was actually said - their own hysterical claims that criticising Yassmin infringed on her freedom of speech, and their hypocritical backflip on Folau.


The difference between these two situations is the morality of their ideas. Folau expressed a repugnant view, whilst Yassmin expressed a non-repugnant view. Sure, the latter may not be true but if we're going into the realm of objective morals, then it is clear that Yassmin's views are objectively more moral than Folau's.


Do you think that is relevant when it comes to freedom of speech?


It's relevant in some cases and to a certain extent.

In this situation, I personally have no compunction with Israel Folau being fired. He says gays would go to hell when they die. He should be happy that he won't go to hell then.


Is it relevant in this case?


Yes.
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Reply #67 - Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:05pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:02pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:01pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:00pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:58pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:05pm:
It occurs to me that Yassmin is the perfect example of how freedom of speech is supposed to work, while Folau is the perfect example of how to stick your head in your rectum, create a mountain out of a molehill, and turn a man into a martyr for freedom of speech over a banal and familiar opinion.

Yassmin was rightly mocked for saying stupid things, misappropriating public funds to line her own pockets, lying about Islam, and getting hysterical about the criticism she rightly deserved. Despite having plenty of perfectly legal reasons to fire her, the ABC stood by her and refused. But she wilted under the glaring reality of what people think of her. It seemed to take her by surprise. Being an ugly black female Muslim of apparently limited intelligence and perception, she was probably accustomed to being a protected species at the ABC and SBS. She ran away from freedom of speech, while the usual apologists were trying to turn the public mockery of her into an attack on free speech, as though she should be able to do and say stupid things without anyone noticing.

Folau ran towards freedom of speech. Rather than subject him to public criticism for his opinion, the homofascists did the cowardly thing and conspired behind the scenes to make him lose his job - a move that is likely to turn out to be illegal. Then they followed this up with celebrating gofundme pulling his campaign. Both propelled Folau into the spotlight, massively increased public support for him, and allowed him to raise $2million in 2 days. Now he is likely to win the case or get a favourable settlement, all under the public eye. He said something stupid and the homofascists turned him into a hero of free speech for it.

The two cases could not be more different, yet somehow the usual apologists are now trying to use Yassmin to accuse those who support freedom of speech of hypocrisy. Perhaps they should go back and look at what was actually said - their own hysterical claims that criticising Yassmin infringed on her freedom of speech, and their hypocritical backflip on Folau.


The difference between these two situations is the morality of their ideas. Folau expressed a repugnant view, whilst Yassmin expressed a non-repugnant view. Sure, the latter may not be true but if we're going into the realm of objective morals, then it is clear that Yassmin's views are objectively more moral than Folau's.


Do you think that is relevant when it comes to freedom of speech?


It's relevant in some cases and to a certain extent.

In this situation, I personally have no compunction with Israel Folau being fired. He says gays would go to hell when they die. He should be happy that he won't go to hell then.


Is it relevant in this case?


Yes.


Should the law take morality into account in deciding who can get fired for their religious views?
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Reply #68 - Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:05pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:02pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:01pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:00pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:58pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:05pm:
It occurs to me that Yassmin is the perfect example of how freedom of speech is supposed to work, while Folau is the perfect example of how to stick your head in your rectum, create a mountain out of a molehill, and turn a man into a martyr for freedom of speech over a banal and familiar opinion.

Yassmin was rightly mocked for saying stupid things, misappropriating public funds to line her own pockets, lying about Islam, and getting hysterical about the criticism she rightly deserved. Despite having plenty of perfectly legal reasons to fire her, the ABC stood by her and refused. But she wilted under the glaring reality of what people think of her. It seemed to take her by surprise. Being an ugly black female Muslim of apparently limited intelligence and perception, she was probably accustomed to being a protected species at the ABC and SBS. She ran away from freedom of speech, while the usual apologists were trying to turn the public mockery of her into an attack on free speech, as though she should be able to do and say stupid things without anyone noticing.

Folau ran towards freedom of speech. Rather than subject him to public criticism for his opinion, the homofascists did the cowardly thing and conspired behind the scenes to make him lose his job - a move that is likely to turn out to be illegal. Then they followed this up with celebrating gofundme pulling his campaign. Both propelled Folau into the spotlight, massively increased public support for him, and allowed him to raise $2million in 2 days. Now he is likely to win the case or get a favourable settlement, all under the public eye. He said something stupid and the homofascists turned him into a hero of free speech for it.

The two cases could not be more different, yet somehow the usual apologists are now trying to use Yassmin to accuse those who support freedom of speech of hypocrisy. Perhaps they should go back and look at what was actually said - their own hysterical claims that criticising Yassmin infringed on her freedom of speech, and their hypocritical backflip on Folau.


The difference between these two situations is the morality of their ideas. Folau expressed a repugnant view, whilst Yassmin expressed a non-repugnant view. Sure, the latter may not be true but if we're going into the realm of objective morals, then it is clear that Yassmin's views are objectively more moral than Folau's.


Do you think that is relevant when it comes to freedom of speech?


It's relevant in some cases and to a certain extent.

In this situation, I personally have no compunction with Israel Folau being fired. He says gays would go to hell when they die. He should be happy that he won't go to hell then.


Is it relevant in this case?


Yes.


Should the law take morality into account in deciding who can get fired for their religious views?


When it comes to the issue of homophobia, yes.
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Do you think people should have a right to freedom from religion?
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Do you think people should have a right to freedom from religion?


Yes. That's what it means to be a secular society.
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Ah, one person called for her sacking. The "very same" people now defending Folau?



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freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:14pm:
Do you think people should have a right to freedom from religion?


Yes. That's what it means to be a secular society.


So what does it mean? That people have a right to not hear religious views they find offensive?
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At the very least Folau should have been fired from RA for being an unmitigated tosser and dickhead.

Folau has been playing below his capabilities and should be fired for that.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 10:27pm:
At the very least Folau should have been fired from RA for being an unmitigated tosser and dickhead.

Folau has been playing below his capabilities and should be fired for that.


Let me guess, that's why you are fired from here so often?
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Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:15pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:14pm:
Do you think people should have a right to freedom from religion?


Yes. That's what it means to be a secular society.


So what does it mean? That people have a right to not hear religious views they find offensive?


I think people should have the right to be offended, and should have the right to determine with whom they wish to associate.
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Reply #77 - Jul 5th, 2019 at 8:30am
 
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freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:14pm:
Do you think people should have a right to freedom from religion?


Yes. That's what it means to be a secular society.


So what does it mean? That people have a right to not hear religious views they find offensive?


No, it means they have a right to not have hate speech preached to their kids.

Rugby Union has been trying to eradicate homophobia within its ranks for years. They warned Folou the first time he preached against the hommers.

Nothing to do with religion. Folou is free to post publicly about the Lord, and does. The Union is saying he doesn't have the right to spread homophobia while he's on the team.

But I'm curious. Do you support the Muselman preaching against the hommers too?

That's a question.
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They don't just preach against hommers Karamel.

They preach against all non- Muslims .....

seems they hate everyone equally that isn't one of them.
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Reply #79 - Jul 5th, 2019 at 9:38am
 
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 8:30am:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:15pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:14pm:
Do you think people should have a right to freedom from religion?


Yes. That's what it means to be a secular society.


So what does it mean? That people have a right to not hear religious views they find offensive?


No, it means they have a right to not have hate speech preached to their kids.

Rugby Union has been trying to eradicate homophobia within its ranks for years. They warned Folou the first time he preached against the hommers.

Nothing to do with religion. Folou is free to post publicly about the Lord, and does. The Union is saying he doesn't have the right to spread homophobia while he's on the team.

But I'm curious. Do you support the Muselman preaching against the hommers too?

That's a question.


Are you saying Folau's sacking had nothing to do with religion because it was really about ahte speach?

Auggie wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 8:02am:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:15pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:14pm:
Do you think people should have a right to freedom from religion?


Yes. That's what it means to be a secular society.


So what does it mean? That people have a right to not hear religious views they find offensive?


I think people should have the right to be offended, and should have the right to determine with whom they wish to associate.


Does that include sacking people because of their religious views?
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Reply #80 - Jul 5th, 2019 at 9:39am
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:05pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:02pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:01pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:00pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:58pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:05pm:
It occurs to me that Yassmin is the perfect example of how freedom of speech is supposed to work, while Folau is the perfect example of how to stick your head in your rectum, create a mountain out of a molehill, and turn a man into a martyr for freedom of speech over a banal and familiar opinion.

Yassmin was rightly mocked for saying stupid things, misappropriating public funds to line her own pockets, lying about Islam, and getting hysterical about the criticism she rightly deserved. Despite having plenty of perfectly legal reasons to fire her, the ABC stood by her and refused. But she wilted under the glaring reality of what people think of her. It seemed to take her by surprise. Being an ugly black female Muslim of apparently limited intelligence and perception, she was probably accustomed to being a protected species at the ABC and SBS. She ran away from freedom of speech, while the usual apologists were trying to turn the public mockery of her into an attack on free speech, as though she should be able to do and say stupid things without anyone noticing.

Folau ran towards freedom of speech. Rather than subject him to public criticism for his opinion, the homofascists did the cowardly thing and conspired behind the scenes to make him lose his job - a move that is likely to turn out to be illegal. Then they followed this up with celebrating gofundme pulling his campaign. Both propelled Folau into the spotlight, massively increased public support for him, and allowed him to raise $2million in 2 days. Now he is likely to win the case or get a favourable settlement, all under the public eye. He said something stupid and the homofascists turned him into a hero of free speech for it.

The two cases could not be more different, yet somehow the usual apologists are now trying to use Yassmin to accuse those who support freedom of speech of hypocrisy. Perhaps they should go back and look at what was actually said - their own hysterical claims that criticising Yassmin infringed on her freedom of speech, and their hypocritical backflip on Folau.


The difference between these two situations is the morality of their ideas. Folau expressed a repugnant view, whilst Yassmin expressed a non-repugnant view. Sure, the latter may not be true but if we're going into the realm of objective morals, then it is clear that Yassmin's views are objectively more moral than Folau's.


Do you think that is relevant when it comes to freedom of speech?


It's relevant in some cases and to a certain extent.

In this situation, I personally have no compunction with Israel Folau being fired. He says gays would go to hell when they die. He should be happy that he won't go to hell then.


Is it relevant in this case?


Yes.


Should the law take morality into account in deciding who can get fired for their religious views?


When it comes to the issue of homophobia, yes.


Does whether Folau was telling the truth have any impact on this morality of yours?
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Reply #81 - Jul 5th, 2019 at 9:43am
 
Folau is a bedwetter that has never given 100% for RA.
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Reply #82 - Jul 5th, 2019 at 10:17am
 
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Ah, one person called for her sacking. The "very same" people now defending Folau?


It wasn't one person FD, there was a chorus of calls for her sacking, including a petition that went out:

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/yassmin-abdelmagied-abc-activists-vil...

And that was just for the single line tweet: "lest we forget (Manus, Nauru, Syria Palestine)"

Were they the same people defending Folau? I don't know, and I never said they were. What I am interested in though is where were the people who are standing up for Folau now on freedom of speech grounds when this attack on someone's freedom was happening. People like you FD. If you think its so terrible for someone's job to be threatened for exercising their freedom of speech, where were you when all these liberal politicians were calling for Yasminn's contract with the ABC to be terminated - just for that single tweet?

Also, I'll take a punt and guess that neither Abetz or Barnaby Joyce (among all the others in the article calling for Yasminn's head) will be saying its ok for RA to terminate Folau's contract. What do you reckon?
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Reply #83 - Jul 5th, 2019 at 10:18am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 9:39am:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:05pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:02pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:01pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:00pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:58pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:05pm:
It occurs to me that Yassmin is the perfect example of how freedom of speech is supposed to work, while Folau is the perfect example of how to stick your head in your rectum, create a mountain out of a molehill, and turn a man into a martyr for freedom of speech over a banal and familiar opinion.

Yassmin was rightly mocked for saying stupid things, misappropriating public funds to line her own pockets, lying about Islam, and getting hysterical about the criticism she rightly deserved. Despite having plenty of perfectly legal reasons to fire her, the ABC stood by her and refused. But she wilted under the glaring reality of what people think of her. It seemed to take her by surprise. Being an ugly black female Muslim of apparently limited intelligence and perception, she was probably accustomed to being a protected species at the ABC and SBS. She ran away from freedom of speech, while the usual apologists were trying to turn the public mockery of her into an attack on free speech, as though she should be able to do and say stupid things without anyone noticing.

Folau ran towards freedom of speech. Rather than subject him to public criticism for his opinion, the homofascists did the cowardly thing and conspired behind the scenes to make him lose his job - a move that is likely to turn out to be illegal. Then they followed this up with celebrating gofundme pulling his campaign. Both propelled Folau into the spotlight, massively increased public support for him, and allowed him to raise $2million in 2 days. Now he is likely to win the case or get a favourable settlement, all under the public eye. He said something stupid and the homofascists turned him into a hero of free speech for it.

The two cases could not be more different, yet somehow the usual apologists are now trying to use Yassmin to accuse those who support freedom of speech of hypocrisy. Perhaps they should go back and look at what was actually said - their own hysterical claims that criticising Yassmin infringed on her freedom of speech, and their hypocritical backflip on Folau.


The difference between these two situations is the morality of their ideas. Folau expressed a repugnant view, whilst Yassmin expressed a non-repugnant view. Sure, the latter may not be true but if we're going into the realm of objective morals, then it is clear that Yassmin's views are objectively more moral than Folau's.


Do you think that is relevant when it comes to freedom of speech?


It's relevant in some cases and to a certain extent.

In this situation, I personally have no compunction with Israel Folau being fired. He says gays would go to hell when they die. He should be happy that he won't go to hell then.


Is it relevant in this case?


Yes.


Should the law take morality into account in deciding who can get fired for their religious views?


When it comes to the issue of homophobia, yes.


Does whether Folau was telling the truth have any impact on this morality of yours?


So supporting Islam with all it glaring faults is more moral than making a claim that sinners will go to Hell?
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Reply #84 - Jul 5th, 2019 at 10:56am
 
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 8:30am:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:15pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:14pm:
Do you think people should have a right to freedom from religion?


Yes. That's what it means to be a secular society.


So what does it mean? That people have a right to not hear religious views they find offensive?


No, it means they have a right to not have hate speech preached to their kids.

Rugby Union has been trying to eradicate homophobia within its ranks for years. They warned Folou the first time he preached against the hommers.

Nothing to do with religion. Folou is free to post publicly about the Lord, and does. The Union is saying he doesn't have the right to spread homophobia while he's on the team.

But I'm curious. Do you support the Muselman preaching against the hommers too?

That's a question.


To be fair, FD disagreed with my view that muslims holding up a placard saying "behead those who insult the Prophet" should be charged for incitement, and defended their right to do so. So credit where credit's due. On the other hand, I've always felt that such platitudes prove to be rather convenient when it comes to lumping in all the mainstream teachings of Islam with the ideology of the extremists: since its a bit difficult to call for beheading placards to be banned, but not the Quran itself - if your modus operandi is that they are both identical.

Ultimately, the problem with this, and all the other tired debates including Yasmmin etc, is that it has been completely engulfed in the same old tired partisan culture war. And the reality is, any attempts to separate it from the culture war - whether its FD's "its only about freedom" side, or the opposing "its only about contract law" side - are doomed. Why? Because RA itself wrapped itself in the culture war cloak to begin with - by painting this as a homophobic thing - as opposed to, say, an "atheist-hobic" thing. If you look at his tweet, he lumped in not only gays, but atheists in with such undesirables as drunks, thieves and liars. So why not say he was discriminating against not only gays, but also atheists (who are a far bigger population than gays)? We all know the reason - because attacking homophobia, not 'atheist-phobia' is what fuels the culture war.

As you say K, RA has been campaigning for years to stamp out homophobia. This is right and proper, but it undeniably makes RA right in the vanguard as a partisan player in the culture war. And as such, it is inescapable that they will attract a veritable army of enemies in any case like this - the usual suspects. And it will never matter much what the contract actually says. So its simply futile to try and claim, as many have, that this is only an issue of contract law. Yet at the same time, RA's actions can easily be justified on contract law grounds - as despite what FD has tried to claim, the specificity of the tweet (ie lumping gays in with undesirables like liars and thieves), combined with the specificity of the contract clause (thou shalt treat people with dignity and respect - including specifically regarding sexual orientation) - means that RA are on solid legal grounds.
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Were they the same people defending Folau? I don't know, and I never said they were. What I am interested in though is where were the people who are standing up for Folau now on freedom of speech grounds when this attack on someone's freedom was happening. People like you FD. If you think its so terrible for someone's job to be threatened for exercising their freedom of speech, where were you when all these liberal politicians were calling for Yasminn's contract with the ABC to be terminated - just for that single tweet?


I'm not sure if getting her fired was even on the radar here back then. The ANZAC tweet had nothing to do with religion, and Yassmin gave plenty of good, legal reasons for the ABC to fire her. At the end of the day, they did not.

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Also, I'll take a punt and guess that neither Abetz or Barnaby Joyce (among all the others in the article calling for Yasminn's head) will be saying its ok for RA to terminate Folau's contract. What do you reckon?


You would pass the first test of showing they are the same people, but the situations are still not the same. Yassmin was not fired for her religious views. She was not even fired. She ran away.

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To be fair, FD disagreed with my view that muslims holding up a placard saying "behead those who insult the Prophet" should be charged for incitement, and defended their right to do so. So credit where credit's due. On the other hand, I've always felt that such platitudes prove to be rather convenient when it comes to lumping in all the mainstream teachings of Islam with the ideology of the extremists: since its a bit difficult to call for beheading placards to be banned, but not the Quran itself - if your modus operandi is that they are both identical.


They are not identical. One is a book. The other is a placard with the condensed message. But you will run into big trouble if you want to ban the placard but not the book.

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Ultimately, the problem with this, and all the other tired debates including Yasmmin etc, is that it has been completely engulfed in the same old tired partisan culture war. And the reality is, any attempts to separate it from the culture war - whether its FD's "its only about freedom" side, or the opposing "its only about contract law" side


I did not claim it is only about freedom. I am saying that freedom trumps the employer's interest in micromanaging the personal life of their employees. It is only the homofascists that try to pretend there is only one issue here, with various forms of "he was not sacked for his religious view, he was sacked for homophobia, contract terms etc".

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And it will never matter much what the contract actually says.


That's what the law says. If your contracts violates employment, it does not matter what it says.

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So its simply futile to try and claim, as many have, that this is only an issue of contract law. Yet at the same time, RA's actions can easily be justified on contract law grounds - as despite what FD has tried to claim, the specificity of the tweet (ie lumping gays in with undesirables like liars and thieves), combined with the specificity of the contract clause (thou shalt treat people with dignity and respect - including specifically regarding sexual orientation) - means that RA are on solid legal grounds.


Again, I have never argued this was relevant legally.
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Reply #86 - Jul 5th, 2019 at 4:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
I'm not sure if getting her fired was even on the radar here back then.


And I wonder why not? You have proven yourself willing to get on your moral high horse over all sorts of cases regarding alleged individual attacks on freedom. Here we had an employee of the ABC expressing their freedom of speech, followed by a deluge of outrage from members of the government no less - you know the people who control funding and board appointments to the organisation that she worked for - directly calling for her sacking. Clearly a case of someone's employment undergoing undue pressure because of her views. This should have been right up your alley FD.

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Irrelevant. The issue is freedom of speech, not religion.

freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
I am saying that freedom trumps the employer's interest in micromanaging the personal life of their employees.


freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
Again, I have never argued this was relevant legally.


So what are you actually arguing then FD? For the law to be changed?

Do you actually take issue with RA having the right to dictate the terms of their contract to Folau - when it can include sacking for religious views? Or is your only issue that the 'homofascists' haven't come clean and admitted that he was sacked for his religious views?
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Reply #87 - Jul 5th, 2019 at 6:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 9:39am:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:05pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:02pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:01pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:00pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:58pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:05pm:
It occurs to me that Yassmin is the perfect example of how freedom of speech is supposed to work, while Folau is the perfect example of how to stick your head in your rectum, create a mountain out of a molehill, and turn a man into a martyr for freedom of speech over a banal and familiar opinion.

Yassmin was rightly mocked for saying stupid things, misappropriating public funds to line her own pockets, lying about Islam, and getting hysterical about the criticism she rightly deserved. Despite having plenty of perfectly legal reasons to fire her, the ABC stood by her and refused. But she wilted under the glaring reality of what people think of her. It seemed to take her by surprise. Being an ugly black female Muslim of apparently limited intelligence and perception, she was probably accustomed to being a protected species at the ABC and SBS. She ran away from freedom of speech, while the usual apologists were trying to turn the public mockery of her into an attack on free speech, as though she should be able to do and say stupid things without anyone noticing.

Folau ran towards freedom of speech. Rather than subject him to public criticism for his opinion, the homofascists did the cowardly thing and conspired behind the scenes to make him lose his job - a move that is likely to turn out to be illegal. Then they followed this up with celebrating gofundme pulling his campaign. Both propelled Folau into the spotlight, massively increased public support for him, and allowed him to raise $2million in 2 days. Now he is likely to win the case or get a favourable settlement, all under the public eye. He said something stupid and the homofascists turned him into a hero of free speech for it.

The two cases could not be more different, yet somehow the usual apologists are now trying to use Yassmin to accuse those who support freedom of speech of hypocrisy. Perhaps they should go back and look at what was actually said - their own hysterical claims that criticising Yassmin infringed on her freedom of speech, and their hypocritical backflip on Folau.


The difference between these two situations is the morality of their ideas. Folau expressed a repugnant view, whilst Yassmin expressed a non-repugnant view. Sure, the latter may not be true but if we're going into the realm of objective morals, then it is clear that Yassmin's views are objectively more moral than Folau's.


Do you think that is relevant when it comes to freedom of speech?


It's relevant in some cases and to a certain extent.

In this situation, I personally have no compunction with Israel Folau being fired. He says gays would go to hell when they die. He should be happy that he won't go to hell then.


Is it relevant in this case?


Yes.


Should the law take morality into account in deciding who can get fired for their religious views?


When it comes to the issue of homophobia, yes.


Does whether Folau was telling the truth have any impact on this morality of yours?


He wasn't telling the truth, so that's a red herring.
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Reply #88 - Jul 5th, 2019 at 6:58pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 9:38am:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 8:30am:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:15pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:14pm:
Do you think people should have a right to freedom from religion?


Yes. That's what it means to be a secular society.


So what does it mean? That people have a right to not hear religious views they find offensive?


No, it means they have a right to not have hate speech preached to their kids.

Rugby Union has been trying to eradicate homophobia within its ranks for years. They warned Folou the first time he preached against the hommers.

Nothing to do with religion. Folou is free to post publicly about the Lord, and does. The Union is saying he doesn't have the right to spread homophobia while he's on the team.

But I'm curious. Do you support the Muselman preaching against the hommers too?

That's a question.


Are you saying Folau's sacking had nothing to do with religion because it was really about ahte speach?

Auggie wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 8:02am:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:15pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:14pm:
Do you think people should have a right to freedom from religion?


Yes. That's what it means to be a secular society.


So what does it mean? That people have a right to not hear religious views they find offensive?


I think people should have the right to be offended, and should have the right to determine with whom they wish to associate.


Does that include sacking people because of their religious views?


I asked you a question, FD. Do you want to have a go?
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Reply #89 - Jul 5th, 2019 at 7:05pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 10:56am:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 8:30am:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 9:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:15pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:14pm:
Do you think people should have a right to freedom from religion?


Yes. That's what it means to be a secular society.


So what does it mean? That people have a right to not hear religious views they find offensive?


No, it means they have a right to not have hate speech preached to their kids.

Rugby Union has been trying to eradicate homophobia within its ranks for years. They warned Folou the first time he preached against the hommers.

Nothing to do with religion. Folou is free to post publicly about the Lord, and does. The Union is saying he doesn't have the right to spread homophobia while he's on the team.

But I'm curious. Do you support the Muselman preaching against the hommers too?

That's a question.


To be fair, FD disagreed with my view that muslims holding up a placard saying "behead those who insult the Prophet" should be charged for incitement, and defended their right to do so. So credit where credit's due. On the other hand, I've always felt that such platitudes prove to be rather convenient when it comes to lumping in all the mainstream teachings of Islam with the ideology of the extremists: since its a bit difficult to call for beheading placards to be banned, but not the Quran itself - if your modus operandi is that they are both identical.

Ultimately, the problem with this, and all the other tired debates including Yasmmin etc, is that it has been completely engulfed in the same old tired partisan culture war. And the reality is, any attempts to separate it from the culture war - whether its FD's "its only about freedom" side, or the opposing "its only about contract law" side - are doomed. Why? Because RA itself wrapped itself in the culture war cloak to begin with - by painting this as a homophobic thing - as opposed to, say, an "atheist-hobic" thing. If you look at his tweet, he lumped in not only gays, but atheists in with such undesirables as drunks, thieves and liars. So why not say he was discriminating against not only gays, but also atheists (who are a far bigger population than gays)? We all know the reason - because attacking homophobia, not 'atheist-phobia' is what fuels the culture war.

As you say K, RA has been campaigning for years to stamp out homophobia. This is right and proper, but it undeniably makes RA right in the vanguard as a partisan player in the culture war. And as such, it is inescapable that they will attract a veritable army of enemies in any case like this - the usual suspects. And it will never matter much what the contract actually says. So its simply futile to try and claim, as many have, that this is only an issue of contract law. Yet at the same time, RA's actions can easily be justified on contract law grounds - as despite what FD has tried to claim, the specificity of the tweet (ie lumping gays in with undesirables like liars and thieves), combined with the specificity of the contract clause (thou shalt treat people with dignity and respect - including specifically regarding sexual orientation) - means that RA are on solid legal grounds.



Good points, G, and you're right. FD has always defended Muslim free speech.

He just wants to ban them altogether.
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I'm not sure if getting her fired was even on the radar here back then. The ANZAC tweet had nothing to do with religion, and Yassmin gave plenty of good, legal reasons for the ABC to fire her. At the end of the day, they did not.


Fire her? For suggesting refugees held in detention should not be forgotten?

I'm curious. Why is Yassmin free to say that on the radio but up for dismissal if she does it on Twitter?

And why should Folou be banned from preaching homophobia on the field, but free to do it on Twitter?

Questions questions. Do you want to give them a go?
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Auggie wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 6:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 9:39am:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:05pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:02pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:01pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:00pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:58pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:05pm:
It occurs to me that Yassmin is the perfect example of how freedom of speech is supposed to work, while Folau is the perfect example of how to stick your head in your rectum, create a mountain out of a molehill, and turn a man into a martyr for freedom of speech over a banal and familiar opinion.

Yassmin was rightly mocked for saying stupid things, misappropriating public funds to line her own pockets, lying about Islam, and getting hysterical about the criticism she rightly deserved. Despite having plenty of perfectly legal reasons to fire her, the ABC stood by her and refused. But she wilted under the glaring reality of what people think of her. It seemed to take her by surprise. Being an ugly black female Muslim of apparently limited intelligence and perception, she was probably accustomed to being a protected species at the ABC and SBS. She ran away from freedom of speech, while the usual apologists were trying to turn the public mockery of her into an attack on free speech, as though she should be able to do and say stupid things without anyone noticing.

Folau ran towards freedom of speech. Rather than subject him to public criticism for his opinion, the homofascists did the cowardly thing and conspired behind the scenes to make him lose his job - a move that is likely to turn out to be illegal. Then they followed this up with celebrating gofundme pulling his campaign. Both propelled Folau into the spotlight, massively increased public support for him, and allowed him to raise $2million in 2 days. Now he is likely to win the case or get a favourable settlement, all under the public eye. He said something stupid and the homofascists turned him into a hero of free speech for it.

The two cases could not be more different, yet somehow the usual apologists are now trying to use Yassmin to accuse those who support freedom of speech of hypocrisy. Perhaps they should go back and look at what was actually said - their own hysterical claims that criticising Yassmin infringed on her freedom of speech, and their hypocritical backflip on Folau.


The difference between these two situations is the morality of their ideas. Folau expressed a repugnant view, whilst Yassmin expressed a non-repugnant view. Sure, the latter may not be true but if we're going into the realm of objective morals, then it is clear that Yassmin's views are objectively more moral than Folau's.


Do you think that is relevant when it comes to freedom of speech?


It's relevant in some cases and to a certain extent.

In this situation, I personally have no compunction with Israel Folau being fired. He says gays would go to hell when they die. He should be happy that he won't go to hell then.


Is it relevant in this case?


Yes.


Should the law take morality into account in deciding who can get fired for their religious views?


When it comes to the issue of homophobia, yes.


Does whether Folau was telling the truth have any impact on this morality of yours?


He wasn't telling the truth, so that's a red herring.


Yes, but FD's saying he was.

Do you get it now?
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Reply #92 - Jul 5th, 2019 at 7:18pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 6:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 9:39am:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:05pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:02pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:01pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:00pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:58pm:
Auggie wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 7:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:05pm:
It occurs to me that Yassmin is the perfect example of how freedom of speech is supposed to work, while Folau is the perfect example of how to stick your head in your rectum, create a mountain out of a molehill, and turn a man into a martyr for freedom of speech over a banal and familiar opinion.

Yassmin was rightly mocked for saying stupid things, misappropriating public funds to line her own pockets, lying about Islam, and getting hysterical about the criticism she rightly deserved. Despite having plenty of perfectly legal reasons to fire her, the ABC stood by her and refused. But she wilted under the glaring reality of what people think of her. It seemed to take her by surprise. Being an ugly black female Muslim of apparently limited intelligence and perception, she was probably accustomed to being a protected species at the ABC and SBS. She ran away from freedom of speech, while the usual apologists were trying to turn the public mockery of her into an attack on free speech, as though she should be able to do and say stupid things without anyone noticing.

Folau ran towards freedom of speech. Rather than subject him to public criticism for his opinion, the homofascists did the cowardly thing and conspired behind the scenes to make him lose his job - a move that is likely to turn out to be illegal. Then they followed this up with celebrating gofundme pulling his campaign. Both propelled Folau into the spotlight, massively increased public support for him, and allowed him to raise $2million in 2 days. Now he is likely to win the case or get a favourable settlement, all under the public eye. He said something stupid and the homofascists turned him into a hero of free speech for it.

The two cases could not be more different, yet somehow the usual apologists are now trying to use Yassmin to accuse those who support freedom of speech of hypocrisy. Perhaps they should go back and look at what was actually said - their own hysterical claims that criticising Yassmin infringed on her freedom of speech, and their hypocritical backflip on Folau.


The difference between these two situations is the morality of their ideas. Folau expressed a repugnant view, whilst Yassmin expressed a non-repugnant view. Sure, the latter may not be true but if we're going into the realm of objective morals, then it is clear that Yassmin's views are objectively more moral than Folau's.


Do you think that is relevant when it comes to freedom of speech?


It's relevant in some cases and to a certain extent.

In this situation, I personally have no compunction with Israel Folau being fired. He says gays would go to hell when they die. He should be happy that he won't go to hell then.


Is it relevant in this case?


Yes.


Should the law take morality into account in deciding who can get fired for their religious views?


When it comes to the issue of homophobia, yes.


Does whether Folau was telling the truth have any impact on this morality of yours?


He wasn't telling the truth, so that's a red herring.


It's called a hypothetical. Do you understand what they are? If Folau's statement was true, would that change your 'moral' position?
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It's called a hypothetical. Do you understand what they are?



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And I wonder why not? You have proven yourself willing to get on your moral high horse over all sorts of cases regarding alleged individual attacks on freedom. Here we had an employee of the ABC expressing their freedom of speech, followed by a deluge of outrage from members of the government no less - you know the people who control funding and board appointments to the organisation that she worked for - directly calling for her sacking. Clearly a case of someone's employment undergoing undue pressure because of her views. This should have been right up your alley FD.


She wasn't fired. As I explained in the OP, what actually transpired was a perfect example of how free speech is supposed to work. No-one defended her freedom to say stupid poo because it was never denied her.

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Irrelevant. The issue is freedom of speech, not religion.


In Folau's case, it is both. In Yassmin's, it had nothing to do with freedom of religion.

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So what are you actually arguing then FD? For the law to be changed?'


No. The law specifically prevents people from sacking someone based on their religion. That's the grounds on which Folau is taking RA to court.

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Do you actually take issue with RA having the right to dictate the terms of their contract to Folau - when it can include sacking for religious views?


Yes. That would be an illegal contract term. Or more accurately, an illegal interpretation of a very broad term.

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Or is your only issue that the 'homofascists' haven't come clean and admitted that he was sacked for his religious views?


That is only an issue with the homofascists who try to misrperesent what is going on. They flip flop between defending it on the grounds of a contractual technicality (and lying in the sense that this means it had nothing to do with his religious views) and actually taking a principled stance on the issue (freedom from religion - which a surprising number of homofascists here have come out of the closet on).
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That is only an issue with the homofascists who try to misrperesent what is going on



like pretending he was sacked for his religious beliefs?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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She wasn't fired. As I explained in the OP, what actually transpired was a perfect example of how free speech is supposed to work. No-one defended her freedom to say stupid poo because it was never denied her.


Come off it FD, you can't be serious.

Members of the government were calling for her head - over one little tweet. I'm talking about people who actually control funding and board appointements to the ABC, where she was working. We saw in the Guthrie blow-up how seriously the ABC takes such "suggestions" from government members (the board wanted Alberici sacked because they thought Turnbull didn't like her - and then sacked Guthrie (partly) because she didn't).

You can't seriously be suggesting there wasn't a real threat to her job - because she expressed her free speech. How is this anything other than a real and totally unacceptable attack on her free speech?

If Abetz and Joyce etc had simply said "she shouldn't have said that" but either stated specifically, or implied implicitly, that she had the *RIGHT* to say it, even as an ABC employee, then that would be "how free speech is supposed to work". But to come out and specifically say the ABC should sack her for what she said, is not how free speech should work. It is an egregious attack on it.
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FD's about to try an answer.

Right, FD?
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John Smith wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 7:20pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 7:18pm:
It's called a hypothetical. Do you understand what they are?



your argument to date Cheesy


You think? To date, FD's answered thus far:

Excuse me, FD, do you think hommers are going to hell?

Read my answer.

I just did. That's what you said.

Read it again.

I did. Are you saying that... ?

...

FD, do you want to answer?

...

We'll try again. Do you think that...?

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... A simple yes or no will suffice.

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What sound does a jellyfish make?

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freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 7:25pm:
She wasn't fired. As I explained in the OP, what actually transpired was a perfect example of how free speech is supposed to work. No-one defended her freedom to say stupid poo because it was never denied her.


Come off it FD, you can't be serious.

Members of the government were calling for her head - over one little tweet. I'm talking about people who actually control funding and board appointements to the ABC, where she was working. We saw in the Guthrie blow-up how seriously the ABC takes such "suggestions" from government members (the board wanted Alberici sacked because they thought Turnbull didn't like her - and then sacked Guthrie (partly) because she didn't).

You can't seriously be suggesting there wasn't a real threat to her job - because she expressed her free speech. How is this anything other than a real and totally unacceptable attack on her free speech?

If Abetz and Joyce etc had simply said "she shouldn't have said that" but either stated specifically, or implied implicitly, that she had the *RIGHT* to say it, even as an ABC employee, then that would be "how free speech is supposed to work". But to come out and specifically say the ABC should sack her for what she said, is not how free speech should work. It is an egregious attack on it.


They were not calling for her head Gandalf.

Do you think people on here would care as much about Folau's freedom of speech and freedom of religion if it was merely a small number of politicians and a tiny minority movement calling for him to be sacked, without effect?
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polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 8:32pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 7:25pm:
She wasn't fired. As I explained in the OP, what actually transpired was a perfect example of how free speech is supposed to work. No-one defended her freedom to say stupid poo because it was never denied her.


Come off it FD, you can't be serious.

Members of the government were calling for her head - over one little tweet. I'm talking about people who actually control funding and board appointements to the ABC, where she was working. We saw in the Guthrie blow-up how seriously the ABC takes such "suggestions" from government members (the board wanted Alberici sacked because they thought Turnbull didn't like her - and then sacked Guthrie (partly) because she didn't).

You can't seriously be suggesting there wasn't a real threat to her job - because she expressed her free speech. How is this anything other than a real and totally unacceptable attack on her free speech?

If Abetz and Joyce etc had simply said "she shouldn't have said that" but either stated specifically, or implied implicitly, that she had the *RIGHT* to say it, even as an ABC employee, then that would be "how free speech is supposed to work". But to come out and specifically say the ABC should sack her for what she said, is not how free speech should work. It is an egregious attack on it.


News Ltd had an entire campaign. Once she got death and rape threats and had eggs and spit thrown at her, they played the free speech no-one-has-the-right-to-not-be-offended card.

Still, fair's fair. FD has never had a problem with Lest we forget, just Islam is the most feminist religion.

Once she said that, well.

She's tinted.
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Do you think people on here would care as much about Folau's freedom of speech and freedom of religion if it was merely a small number of politicians and a tiny minority movement calling for him to be sacked, without effect?


Government politicians don't have the control and influence over RA, like they do over the ABC FD.

It would be more like Qantas board members demanding that RA (whom they are a major sponsor of) sack Folau. You know, people who RA actually sit up and listen to.
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If Folau's statement was true, would that change your 'moral' position?


We're dealing with the facts, not with what ifs. The statement is not true, so what's your point?
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Auggie wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 10:00pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 7:18pm:
If Folau's statement was true, would that change your 'moral' position?


We're dealing with the facts, not with what ifs. The statement is not true, so what's your point?


My point is that you argument does not actually rest on morality, but on getting the government to impose your version of religious truth on other people. If you would allow yourself to be honest, you would admit that your entire morality house of cards falls over on a question of truth.

You cannot prove it is true. That's the whole reason we separate government and religion. In your homofascist zeal you want to put the government back in charge of religion.

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Do you think people on here would care as much about Folau's freedom of speech and freedom of religion if it was merely a small number of politicians and a tiny minority movement calling for him to be sacked, without effect?


Government politicians don't have the control and influence over RA, like they do over the ABC FD.

It would be more like Qantas board members demanding that RA (whom they are a major sponsor of) sack Folau. You know, people who RA actually sit up and listen to.


Would you like to have a go at answering the question?

Suppose Alan Joyce called for his sacking, but he was not sacked. Do you think people on here would care as much about Folau's freedom of speech and freedom of religion then?
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Suppose Alan Joyce called for his sacking, but he was not sacked. Do you think people on here would care as much about Folau's freedom of speech and freedom of religion then?


Of course they would. Joyce is already under fire for the sacking.

Folau's actual sacking isn't what the culture warriors are getting their pants wet over - its that the "homofascists" as you call them dared to attack him for his religious views. Joyce stepping in would have just upped the ante, as he is an actual vested interest in this - and it would have (rightly) been interpreted by the culture warriors as RA being put under real and significant pressure to sack one of their players - given Qantas's financial influence over RA.

To say that liberal politicians - including senior cabinet ministers - calling directly for an ABC employee to be sacked is not a serious interference that causes real influence to the ABC management is disingenuous to the extreme. Especially with what we now know about the Alberici case. And simply retorting that neither Yassmin or Alberici were sacked in the end does not change the fact that it was an egregious attack on their freedom.
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Now now, FD, in Auggie's homofascist zeal, he hasn't said the government is responsible for anything.

I believe you're saying the government should step in to legislate hommer-bashing as a matter of "religious" freedom.

Who's been reading the holy Quran, eh?

And what sound does a jellyfish make?

You haven't said.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:05pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 10:15pm:
Suppose Alan Joyce called for his sacking, but he was not sacked. Do you think people on here would care as much about Folau's freedom of speech and freedom of religion then?


Of course they would. Joyce is already under fire for the sacking.

Folau's actual sacking isn't what the culture warriors are getting their pants wet over - its that the "homofascists" as you call them dared to attack him for his religious views. Joyce stepping in would have just upped the ante, as he is an actual vested interest in this - and it would have (rightly) been interpreted by the culture warriors as RA being put under real and significant pressure to sack one of their players - given Qantas's financial influence over RA.

To say that liberal politicians - including senior cabinet ministers - calling directly for an ABC employee to be sacked is not a serious interference that causes real influence to the ABC management is disingenuous to the extreme. Especially with what we now know about the Alberici case. And simply retorting that neither Yassmin or Alberici were sacked in the end does not change the fact that it was an egregious attack on their freedom.


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Now now, FD, in Auggie's homofascist zeal, he hasn't said the government is responsible for anything.

I believe you're saying the government should step in to legislate hommer-bashing as a matter of "religious" freedom.

Who's been reading the holy Quran, eh?

And what sound does a jellyfish make?

You haven't said.


I meet a few of the "going to hell" list, more if we take other shyte from the bible into account. I haven't complained and have no wish to, as far as I'm concerned he can go to hell with his religious crap. I have to wonder why the poofs couldn't do the same. Why are they offended by something they have no belief in? Why are the poofs so butt hurt? Perhaps that could be a rhetorical Q.
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Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:36pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:30pm:
Now now, FD, in Auggie's homofascist zeal, he hasn't said the government is responsible for anything.

I believe you're saying the government should step in to legislate hommer-bashing as a matter of "religious" freedom.

Who's been reading the holy Quran, eh?

And what sound does a jellyfish make?

You haven't said.


I meet a few of the "going to hell" list, more if we take other shyte from the bible into account. I haven't complained and have no wish to, as far as I'm concerned he can go to hell with his religious crap. I have to wonder why the poofs couldn't do the same. Why are they offended by something they have no belief in? Why are the poofs so butt hurt? Perhaps that could be a rhetorical Q.


What's it got to do with poofs?

Wasn't FD cranky with Rugby Australia? Or the government for not telling them what to do with their employees? Or the Separation of Powers?

I forget now.

FD?
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - the gay mince, the hystrionic demands, the suicidal imperative, the safe space demands, the attacks on 'normals', the Pink Precincts - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
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Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:43pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:36pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:30pm:
Now now, FD, in Auggie's homofascist zeal, he hasn't said the government is responsible for anything.

I believe you're saying the government should step in to legislate hommer-bashing as a matter of "religious" freedom.

Who's been reading the holy Quran, eh?

And what sound does a jellyfish make?

You haven't said.


I meet a few of the "going to hell" list, more if we take other shyte from the bible into account. I haven't complained and have no wish to, as far as I'm concerned he can go to hell with his religious crap. I have to wonder why the poofs couldn't do the same. Why are they offended by something they have no belief in? Why are the poofs so butt hurt? Perhaps that could be a rhetorical Q.


What's it got to do with poofs?

Wasn't FD cranky with Rugby Australia? Or the government for not telling them what to do with their employees? Or the Separation of Powers?

I forget now.

FD?


What's it got to do with FD? Poofs are the ones whining someone said they are going to hell unless they believe in some sky fairy and repent to him. Why would you get upset if a nutjob like Israel says that? Why are the poofs and the perpetually offended giving a toss? Really who gives a shyte what he says and he had more reasons to have me in hell that a bit of miam miam?

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freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 7:25pm:
She wasn't fired. As I explained in the OP, what actually transpired was a perfect example of how free speech is supposed to work. No-one defended her freedom to say stupid poo because it was never denied her.


Come off it FD, you can't be serious.

Members of the government were calling for her head - over one little tweet. I'm talking about people who actually control funding and board appointements to the ABC, where she was working. We saw in the Guthrie blow-up how seriously the ABC takes such "suggestions" from government members (the board wanted Alberici sacked because they thought Turnbull didn't like her - and then sacked Guthrie (partly) because she didn't).

You can't seriously be suggesting there wasn't a real threat to her job - because she expressed her free speech. How is this anything other than a real and totally unacceptable attack on her free speech?

If Abetz and Joyce etc had simply said "she shouldn't have said that" but either stated specifically, or implied implicitly, that she had the *RIGHT* to say it, even as an ABC employee, then that would be "how free speech is supposed to work". But to come out and specifically say the ABC should sack her for what she said, is not how free speech should work. It is an egregious attack on it.



So 'members of the government' didn't actually sack her?  No more than... say... the Irish QANTAS poof had anything to do with sacking Folau?

Hmm - when someone's right to say something hasn't been abrogated, but they are criticised for saying it.... where is there any need to discuss abrogation of rights?

I can safely say that I disagree with what you said, and think it was silly stuff to say in public - how is that abrogating your right to say it or post it?  Not saying I disagree with everything you post above - just using this as an example...

Now - draw your pay and hit the road - you're sacked!  Grin
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Reply #113 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 12:11am
 
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 9:45pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 8:32pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 7:25pm:
She wasn't fired. As I explained in the OP, what actually transpired was a perfect example of how free speech is supposed to work. No-one defended her freedom to say stupid poo because it was never denied her.


Come off it FD, you can't be serious.

Members of the government were calling for her head - over one little tweet. I'm talking about people who actually control funding and board appointements to the ABC, where she was working. We saw in the Guthrie blow-up how seriously the ABC takes such "suggestions" from government members (the board wanted Alberici sacked because they thought Turnbull didn't like her - and then sacked Guthrie (partly) because she didn't).

You can't seriously be suggesting there wasn't a real threat to her job - because she expressed her free speech. How is this anything other than a real and totally unacceptable attack on her free speech?

If Abetz and Joyce etc had simply said "she shouldn't have said that" but either stated specifically, or implied implicitly, that she had the *RIGHT* to say it, even as an ABC employee, then that would be "how free speech is supposed to work". But to come out and specifically say the ABC should sack her for what she said, is not how free speech should work. It is an egregious attack on it.


News Ltd had an entire campaign. Once she got death and rape threats and had eggs and spit thrown at her, they played the free speech no-one-has-the-right-to-not-be-offended card.

Still, fair's fair. FD has never had a problem with Lest we forget, just Islam is the most feminist religion.

Once she said that, well.

She's tinted.


Those are criminal acts - nothing to do with any sacking ..... and I trust the perpetrators were arrested and charge and punished if found guilty... to the fullest extent of the law...

As I said elsewhere several days ago - citing criminal acts to support a contention of some 'norm' is not valid... and criminal acts are ........ criminal acts pure and simple...

I'd hardly say the majority of Australians were onside with that kind of abuse.... and many such would have punched perps out ...

Sidenote:-  So it's all right to 'egg' Fraser Anning for an innocuous comment on the inevitability of certain acts in response to numerous acts of others - but it's NOT all right to 'egg' a public commentator who utters utter silliness in public with a straight face?

Where do we start and finish with 'egging'?

Before you leap to the fray and over a cliff - I am not discussing rape and death threats and throwing of spit.... those are outside the pale ... but the issue I'm discussing is 'egging' and its moral justification.

Should Fraser Anning be 'egged' without any recourse to justice, natural or otherwise, and receive no sympathy.... and should Yassmin be egged and receive full recourse to justice and natural sympathy?  Are there gradings of 'eggees' that we should consider?  Are they divided by some political divide?  Are some more poof than others and thus only half go to Hell?  Do we, as a nation, hang politicians of one kind but not the other - in which case how far are we removed, in reality, from some Third World Dictatorship that decrees what is right and what is wrong and who should be hung and who should not, along social or political lines?

Questions, questions... so many questions....

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Reply #114 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:25am
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:58pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:43pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:36pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:30pm:
Now now, FD, in Auggie's homofascist zeal, he hasn't said the government is responsible for anything.

I believe you're saying the government should step in to legislate hommer-bashing as a matter of "religious" freedom.

Who's been reading the holy Quran, eh?

And what sound does a jellyfish make?

You haven't said.


I meet a few of the "going to hell" list, more if we take other shyte from the bible into account. I haven't complained and have no wish to, as far as I'm concerned he can go to hell with his religious crap. I have to wonder why the poofs couldn't do the same. Why are they offended by something they have no belief in? Why are the poofs so butt hurt? Perhaps that could be a rhetorical Q.


What's it got to do with poofs?

Wasn't FD cranky with Rugby Australia? Or the government for not telling them what to do with their employees? Or the Separation of Powers?

I forget now.

FD?


What's it got to do with FD? Poofs are the ones whining someone said they are going to hell unless they believe in some sky fairy and repent to him. Why would you get upset if a nutjob like Israel says that? Why are the poofs and the perpetually offended giving a toss? Really who gives a shyte what he says and he had more reasons to have me in hell that a bit of miam miam?



Rugby Australia, eh?

Not that there's anything wrong with it.
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Reply #115 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:33am
 
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:25am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:58pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:43pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:36pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:30pm:
Now now, FD, in Auggie's homofascist zeal, he hasn't said the government is responsible for anything.

I believe you're saying the government should step in to legislate hommer-bashing as a matter of "religious" freedom.

Who's been reading the holy Quran, eh?

And what sound does a jellyfish make?

You haven't said.


I meet a few of the "going to hell" list, more if we take other shyte from the bible into account. I haven't complained and have no wish to, as far as I'm concerned he can go to hell with his religious crap. I have to wonder why the poofs couldn't do the same. Why are they offended by something they have no belief in? Why are the poofs so butt hurt? Perhaps that could be a rhetorical Q.


What's it got to do with poofs?

Wasn't FD cranky with Rugby Australia? Or the government for not telling them what to do with their employees? Or the Separation of Powers?

I forget now.

FD?


What's it got to do with FD? Poofs are the ones whining someone said they are going to hell unless they believe in some sky fairy and repent to him. Why would you get upset if a nutjob like Israel says that? Why are the poofs and the perpetually offended giving a toss? Really who gives a shyte what he says and he had more reasons to have me in hell that a bit of miam miam?



Rugby Australia, eh?

Not that there's anything wrong with it.


I don't follow sport. RA has nothing to do with what I'm saying and asking you. So skip that and answer without RA or sponsors or Quantas. Why are poofs and their perpetually offended friends even giving a fuck?

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Reply #116 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:40am
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:33am:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:25am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:58pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:43pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:36pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:30pm:
Now now, FD, in Auggie's homofascist zeal, he hasn't said the government is responsible for anything.

I believe you're saying the government should step in to legislate hommer-bashing as a matter of "religious" freedom.

Who's been reading the holy Quran, eh?

And what sound does a jellyfish make?

You haven't said.


I meet a few of the "going to hell" list, more if we take other shyte from the bible into account. I haven't complained and have no wish to, as far as I'm concerned he can go to hell with his religious crap. I have to wonder why the poofs couldn't do the same. Why are they offended by something they have no belief in? Why are the poofs so butt hurt? Perhaps that could be a rhetorical Q.


What's it got to do with poofs?

Wasn't FD cranky with Rugby Australia? Or the government for not telling them what to do with their employees? Or the Separation of Powers?

I forget now.

FD?


What's it got to do with FD? Poofs are the ones whining someone said they are going to hell unless they believe in some sky fairy and repent to him. Why would you get upset if a nutjob like Israel says that? Why are the poofs and the perpetually offended giving a toss? Really who gives a shyte what he says and he had more reasons to have me in hell that a bit of miam miam?



Rugby Australia, eh?

Not that there's anything wrong with it.


I don't follow sport. RA has nothing to do with what I'm saying and asking you. So skip that and answer without RA or sponsors or Quantas. Why are poofs and their perpetually offended friends even giving a fuck?



Oh, some of them probably have spoilt hommer kids they don't want to offend.

So typical of sporting and youth associations.
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Reply #117 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:42am
 
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:40am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:33am:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:25am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:58pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:43pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:36pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:30pm:
Now now, FD, in Auggie's homofascist zeal, he hasn't said the government is responsible for anything.

I believe you're saying the government should step in to legislate hommer-bashing as a matter of "religious" freedom.

Who's been reading the holy Quran, eh?

And what sound does a jellyfish make?

You haven't said.


I meet a few of the "going to hell" list, more if we take other shyte from the bible into account. I haven't complained and have no wish to, as far as I'm concerned he can go to hell with his religious crap. I have to wonder why the poofs couldn't do the same. Why are they offended by something they have no belief in? Why are the poofs so butt hurt? Perhaps that could be a rhetorical Q.


What's it got to do with poofs?

Wasn't FD cranky with Rugby Australia? Or the government for not telling them what to do with their employees? Or the Separation of Powers?

I forget now.

FD?


What's it got to do with FD? Poofs are the ones whining someone said they are going to hell unless they believe in some sky fairy and repent to him. Why would you get upset if a nutjob like Israel says that? Why are the poofs and the perpetually offended giving a toss? Really who gives a shyte what he says and he had more reasons to have me in hell that a bit of miam miam?



Rugby Australia, eh?

Not that there's anything wrong with it.


I don't follow sport. RA has nothing to do with what I'm saying and asking you. So skip that and answer without RA or sponsors or Quantas. Why are poofs and their perpetually offended friends even giving a fuck?



Oh, some of them probably have spoilt hommer kids they don't want to offend.

So typical of sporting and youth associations.


That's the best you can come up with? I ask again...

"I don't follow sport. RA has nothing to do with what I'm saying and asking you. So skip that and answer without RA or sponsors or Quantas. Why are poofs and their perpetually offended friends even giving a fuck?"


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Reply #118 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:23am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:05pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 10:15pm:
Suppose Alan Joyce called for his sacking, but he was not sacked. Do you think people on here would care as much about Folau's freedom of speech and freedom of religion then?


Of course they would. Joyce is already under fire for the sacking.

Folau's actual sacking isn't what the culture warriors are getting their pants wet over - its that the "homofascists" as you call them dared to attack him for his religious views. Joyce stepping in would have just upped the ante, as he is an actual vested interest in this - and it would have (rightly) been interpreted by the culture warriors as RA being put under real and significant pressure to sack one of their players - given Qantas's financial influence over RA.

To say that liberal politicians - including senior cabinet ministers - calling directly for an ABC employee to be sacked is not a serious interference that causes real influence to the ABC management is disingenuous to the extreme. Especially with what we now know about the Alberici case. And simply retorting that neither Yassmin or Alberici were sacked in the end does not change the fact that it was an egregious attack on their freedom.


The only reason it is an issue is because Folau was actually sacked. Otherwise the vast majority would take the same view as the atheists, drunks, fornicators etc on Folau's list - who cares what they say?
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Reply #119 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 9:00am
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:36pm:

I meet a few of the "going to hell" list, more if we take other shyte from the bible into account.

I haven't complained and have no wish to, as far as I'm concerned he can go to hell with his religious crap.

I have to wonder why the poofs couldn't do the same.

Why are they offended by something they have no belief in?

Why are the poofs so butt hurt?


Perhaps that could be a rhetorical Q.




It has got everything to do with 'GAY PRIDE' you see.




Setanta,

It is coz queers of all persuasions need 'SAFE SPACES' in which to be queers [of all persuasions].


Its sorta like snowflakes, ....i.e. snowflakes can't be subjected to intense scrutiny.

Why so ?

Coz, to closely scrutinise something, you need a strong light source,      100W at least.

And if you subject a snowflake to a strong light source, they will simply melt away!

Same with queers [of all persuasions].

They too, need 'SAFE SPACES' in which to exist.



Its about 'GAY PRIDE' you see.


Queers of all persuasions, are just SOOOO PROUD of being queers [of all persuasions],
that they fear that they may melt [too!] if they are subjected to any form    social    criticism or scrutiny.

Coz society, is the 'water' in which they swim.

And to be reminded of the existence of a
shhhh
, a bible, [by Israel Folau [such an unfortunate Christian name too, eh!] ] is simply intolerable!



But.....

'GAY PRIDE LIVES!!!!'

'We're queer! We're here!!!!     Get used to it. ....and don't mention Israel Folau or we'll all cry and assume fetal positions!!!!'



fetal = = of or relating to a fetus.     denoting a posture characteristic of a fetus, with the back curved forwards and the limbs folded in front of the body.


END OF SAFE SPACE !

END OF SAFE SPACE !

END OF SAFE SPACE !



WARNING; QUEERS, SHOULD READ NO FURTHER!!!

.....or, be sure to have a hanky close by, and be prepared to be emotionally compelled to assume the fetal position and to weep uncontrollably!



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Romans 1:26
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27  And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28  And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;


1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10  Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


Galatians 5:19
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20  Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21  Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.



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Reply #120 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 10:19am
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:42am:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:40am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:33am:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:25am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:58pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:43pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:36pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:30pm:
Now now, FD, in Auggie's homofascist zeal, he hasn't said the government is responsible for anything.

I believe you're saying the government should step in to legislate hommer-bashing as a matter of "religious" freedom.

Who's been reading the holy Quran, eh?

And what sound does a jellyfish make?

You haven't said.


I meet a few of the "going to hell" list, more if we take other shyte from the bible into account. I haven't complained and have no wish to, as far as I'm concerned he can go to hell with his religious crap. I have to wonder why the poofs couldn't do the same. Why are they offended by something they have no belief in? Why are the poofs so butt hurt? Perhaps that could be a rhetorical Q.


What's it got to do with poofs?

Wasn't FD cranky with Rugby Australia? Or the government for not telling them what to do with their employees? Or the Separation of Powers?

I forget now.

FD?


What's it got to do with FD? Poofs are the ones whining someone said they are going to hell unless they believe in some sky fairy and repent to him. Why would you get upset if a nutjob like Israel says that? Why are the poofs and the perpetually offended giving a toss? Really who gives a shyte what he says and he had more reasons to have me in hell that a bit of miam miam?



Rugby Australia, eh?

Not that there's anything wrong with it.


I don't follow sport. RA has nothing to do with what I'm saying and asking you. So skip that and answer without RA or sponsors or Quantas. Why are poofs and their perpetually offended friends even giving a fuck?



Oh, some of them probably have spoilt hommer kids they don't want to offend.

So typical of sporting and youth associations.


That's the best you can come up with? I ask again...

"I don't follow sport. RA has nothing to do with what I'm saying and asking you. So skip that and answer without RA or sponsors or Quantas. Why are poofs and their perpetually offended friends even giving a fuck?"




Sorry, Setanta, I get you now. And do you know?

As one of their perpetually offended friends, I didn't give a fck either. A football player sacked for being nasty to our boys on social media. No worries.

But the more I think about it, the more I realise how good it is to be nice to each other. The more I think about it, the more I see the perpetually offended haters telling everyone they have the right to not be offended and saved from the dirty hommers and how very dare they fire our star haters.

Alan's a dirty hommer and even he's putting the boot in. The culture wars, it would seem, are being played out by a globalist Irish hommer from the boardroom behind the scenes and his white-nationalist hommer shock-jock opponent on the airwaves.

What a cat fight, eh?

And as ever, you're cheering for Alan. Good for you, dear. I didn't previously care about an issue of contract law, but when I think of Ooga-booga happy-clappies telling decent white people where they'll spend Eternity, well.

We won't have that, dear. It goes against nature.
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Reply #121 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 10:37am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:23am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:05pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 10:15pm:
Suppose Alan Joyce called for his sacking, but he was not sacked. Do you think people on here would care as much about Folau's freedom of speech and freedom of religion then?


Of course they would. Joyce is already under fire for the sacking.

Folau's actual sacking isn't what the culture warriors are getting their pants wet over - its that the "homofascists" as you call them dared to attack him for his religious views. Joyce stepping in would have just upped the ante, as he is an actual vested interest in this - and it would have (rightly) been interpreted by the culture warriors as RA being put under real and significant pressure to sack one of their players - given Qantas's financial influence over RA.

To say that liberal politicians - including senior cabinet ministers - calling directly for an ABC employee to be sacked is not a serious interference that causes real influence to the ABC management is disingenuous to the extreme. Especially with what we now know about the Alberici case. And simply retorting that neither Yassmin or Alberici were sacked in the end does not change the fact that it was an egregious attack on their freedom.


The only reason it is an issue is because Folau was actually sacked. Otherwise the vast majority would take the same view as the atheists, drunks, fornicators etc on Folau's list - who cares what they say?


I don't think Rugby Australia have atheists and drunks in mind in their anti-homophobia/anti-DV stance, FD, but do go on. It's good to see you express yourself. Most healthy.

Folou was warned he'd be axed from the team if he did it again. Rather than backing down, he made the decision to fire another one off, obviously as a test.

Rugby Australia pulled the only trigger they have - they gave him the boot. If they didn't, they would have been backed into a corner. Folou would have upped the social media campaign and become the haters' happy-clappie hero, a religious figurehead, a player on the religious-right who publicly undermines the national solidarity Rugby Australia wants to portray.

He's now waging a high-stakes campaign for freedom of religious expression, but he wasn't sacked for expressing religious views. He was sacked for hate speech against the hommers. I can't be sure, but I don't think anyone expects him to stop spruiking his religion. That's his right.

And that's why he'll lose his case.
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I don't think Rugby Australia have atheists and drunks in mind in their anti-homophobia/anti-DV stance, FD, but do go on. It's good to see you express yourself. Most healthy.


Because they are homofascists. Everyone else is expected to act like an adult, but if you include gays on your list suddenly everyone is throwing tantrums and demanding you get fired.
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Because they are homofascists. Everyone else is expected to act like an adult, but if you include gays on your list suddenly everyone is throwing tantrums and demanding you get fired.


Over hate speech?

Sure. What do you expect?
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Everyone else is expected to act like an adult



does that include folau  Cheesy Cheesy
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Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 11:48am:
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 11:38am:
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I don't think Rugby Australia have atheists and drunks in mind in their anti-homophobia/anti-DV stance, FD, but do go on. It's good to see you express yourself. Most healthy.


Because they are homofascists. Everyone else is expected to act like an adult, but if you include gays on your list suddenly everyone is throwing tantrums and demanding you get fired.


Over hate speech?

Sure.

What do you expect?




TherealKarnal,

Q.
Which hate speech would you be referring to there ?




If you are arguing that it was hate speech, BY, Israel Folau,
then please give us the quote of that hate speech.
[i.e. NOT the scripture, which Israel Folau quoted].

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Reply #127 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:07pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:23am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:05pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 10:15pm:
Suppose Alan Joyce called for his sacking, but he was not sacked. Do you think people on here would care as much about Folau's freedom of speech and freedom of religion then?


Of course they would. Joyce is already under fire for the sacking.

Folau's actual sacking isn't what the culture warriors are getting their pants wet over - its that the "homofascists" as you call them dared to attack him for his religious views. Joyce stepping in would have just upped the ante, as he is an actual vested interest in this - and it would have (rightly) been interpreted by the culture warriors as RA being put under real and significant pressure to sack one of their players - given Qantas's financial influence over RA.

To say that liberal politicians - including senior cabinet ministers - calling directly for an ABC employee to be sacked is not a serious interference that causes real influence to the ABC management is disingenuous to the extreme. Especially with what we now know about the Alberici case. And simply retorting that neither Yassmin or Alberici were sacked in the end does not change the fact that it was an egregious attack on their freedom.


The only reason it is an issue is because Folau was actually sacked. Otherwise the vast majority would take the same view as the atheists, drunks, fornicators etc on Folau's list - who cares what they say?


I'll drink to that....
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Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 11:48am:
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 11:38am:
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I don't think Rugby Australia have atheists and drunks in mind in their anti-homophobia/anti-DV stance, FD, but do go on. It's good to see you express yourself. Most healthy.


Because they are homofascists. Everyone else is expected to act like an adult, but if you include gays on your list suddenly everyone is throwing tantrums and demanding you get fired.


Over hate speech?

Sure. What do you expect?


It's not hate speech.
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Reply #129 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:34pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 3:01pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 11:48am:
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 11:38am:
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I don't think Rugby Australia have atheists and drunks in mind in their anti-homophobia/anti-DV stance, FD, but do go on. It's good to see you express yourself. Most healthy.


Because they are homofascists. Everyone else is expected to act like an adult, but if you include gays on your list suddenly everyone is throwing tantrums and demanding you get fired.


Over hate speech?

Sure.

What do you expect?




TherealKarnal,

Q.
Which hate speech would you be referring to there ?




If you are arguing that it was hate speech, BY, Israel Folau,
then please give us the quote of that hate speech.
[i.e. NOT the scripture, which Israel Folau quoted].



What is God's plan for gays?

HELL... unless they repent their sins and turn to God.

Which gospel is it, Y? Chapter and verse, please.
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Reply #130 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:31pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 11:48am:
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 11:38am:
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I don't think Rugby Australia have atheists and drunks in mind in their anti-homophobia/anti-DV stance, FD, but do go on. It's good to see you express yourself. Most healthy.


Because they are homofascists. Everyone else is expected to act like an adult, but if you include gays on your list suddenly everyone is throwing tantrums and demanding you get fired.


Over hate speech?

Sure. What do you expect?


It's not hate speech.


That's true. He also said Jesus loves them, no?

What did you say God's plan for the hommers is, FD?

We didn't catch it.
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Reply #131 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:40pm
 
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:31pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 11:48am:
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 11:38am:
Quote:
I don't think Rugby Australia have atheists and drunks in mind in their anti-homophobia/anti-DV stance, FD, but do go on. It's good to see you express yourself. Most healthy.


Because they are homofascists. Everyone else is expected to act like an adult, but if you include gays on your list suddenly everyone is throwing tantrums and demanding you get fired.


Over hate speech?

Sure. What do you expect?


It's not hate speech.


That's true. He also said Jesus loves them, no?

What did you say God's plan for the hommers is, FD?

We didn't catch it.


Do you think Folau hates gays?
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Effendi...you have ignored this question first posed by me when I asked where Gays end up, and now Abu also asks.

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Reply #133 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:51pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:40pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:31pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 11:48am:
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 11:38am:
Quote:
I don't think Rugby Australia have atheists and drunks in mind in their anti-homophobia/anti-DV stance, FD, but do go on. It's good to see you express yourself. Most healthy.


Because they are homofascists. Everyone else is expected to act like an adult, but if you include gays on your list suddenly everyone is throwing tantrums and demanding you get fired.


Over hate speech?

Sure. What do you expect?


It's not hate speech.


That's true. He also said Jesus loves them, no?

What did you say God's plan for the hommers is, FD?

We didn't catch it.


Do you think Folau hates gays?


Only in an existential sense.

Some of those macho Islanders love the hommers.

What's God's plan for them, dear?
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Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:34pm:
Yadda wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 3:01pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 11:48am:
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 11:38am:
Quote:
I don't think Rugby Australia have atheists and drunks in mind in their anti-homophobia/anti-DV stance, FD, but do go on. It's good to see you express yourself. Most healthy.


Because they are homofascists. Everyone else is expected to act like an adult, but if you include gays on your list suddenly everyone is throwing tantrums and demanding you get fired.


Over hate speech?

Sure.

What do you expect?




TherealKarnal,

Q.
Which hate speech would you be referring to there ?




If you are arguing that it was hate speech, BY, Israel Folau,
then please give us the quote of that hate speech.
[i.e. NOT the scripture, which Israel Folau quoted].



What is     God's plan      for gays?


HELL... unless they repent their sins and turn to God.

Which gospel is it, Y? Chapter and verse, please.




TherealKarnal,

So when you are referring to    hate speech,      it is the hate speech of God which you are referring to.

And not,       the ideas, the 'plans', and the hate speech,      of Israel Folau ?



TherealKarnal,

If i quote your words, posted in this forum.

Does my quoting of your words/views,     mean that those views [that were expressed and posted by yourself],
can now be 'taken', to be views that have ['magically'] originated from myself ?





'Chapter and verse' ?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1562056827/119#119




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Reply #135 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:58pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:52pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:34pm:
Yadda wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 3:01pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 11:48am:
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 11:38am:
Quote:
I don't think Rugby Australia have atheists and drunks in mind in their anti-homophobia/anti-DV stance, FD, but do go on. It's good to see you express yourself. Most healthy.


Because they are homofascists. Everyone else is expected to act like an adult, but if you include gays on your list suddenly everyone is throwing tantrums and demanding you get fired.


Over hate speech?

Sure.

What do you expect?




TherealKarnal,

Q.
Which hate speech would you be referring to there ?




If you are arguing that it was hate speech, BY, Israel Folau,
then please give us the quote of that hate speech.
[i.e. NOT the scripture, which Israel Folau quoted].



What is     God's plan      for gays?


HELL... unless they repent their sins and turn to God.

Which gospel is it, Y? Chapter and verse, please.




TherealKarnal,

So when you are referring to    hate speech,      it is the hate speech of God which you are referring to.

And not,       the ideas, the 'plans', and the hate speech,      of Israel Folau ?



TherealKarnal,

If i quote your words, posted in this forum.

Does my quoting of your words/views,     mean that those views [that were expressed and posted by yourself],
can now be 'taken', to be views that have ['magically'] originated from myself ?





'Chapter and verse' ?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1562056827/119#119






You haven't quoted God there, Y. You've quoted yourself, dear.
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@Reply #135,

You are mistaken or 'shortsighted', or both.
....take it to the bank.


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Reply #137 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:07pm
 
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 10:19am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:42am:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:40am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:33am:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:25am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:58pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:43pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:36pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:30pm:
Now now, FD, in Auggie's homofascist zeal, he hasn't said the government is responsible for anything.

I believe you're saying the government should step in to legislate hommer-bashing as a matter of "religious" freedom.

Who's been reading the holy Quran, eh?

And what sound does a jellyfish make?

You haven't said.


I meet a few of the "going to hell" list, more if we take other shyte from the bible into account. I haven't complained and have no wish to, as far as I'm concerned he can go to hell with his religious crap. I have to wonder why the poofs couldn't do the same. Why are they offended by something they have no belief in? Why are the poofs so butt hurt? Perhaps that could be a rhetorical Q.


What's it got to do with poofs?

Wasn't FD cranky with Rugby Australia? Or the government for not telling them what to do with their employees? Or the Separation of Powers?

I forget now.

FD?


What's it got to do with FD? Poofs are the ones whining someone said they are going to hell unless they believe in some sky fairy and repent to him. Why would you get upset if a nutjob like Israel says that? Why are the poofs and the perpetually offended giving a toss? Really who gives a shyte what he says and he had more reasons to have me in hell that a bit of miam miam?



Rugby Australia, eh?

Not that there's anything wrong with it.


I don't follow sport. RA has nothing to do with what I'm saying and asking you. So skip that and answer without RA or sponsors or Quantas. Why are poofs and their perpetually offended friends even giving a fuck?



Oh, some of them probably have spoilt hommer kids they don't want to offend.

So typical of sporting and youth associations.


That's the best you can come up with? I ask again...

"I don't follow sport. RA has nothing to do with what I'm saying and asking you. So skip that and answer without RA or sponsors or Quantas. Why are poofs and their perpetually offended friends even giving a fuck?"




Sorry, Setanta, I get you now. And do you know?

As one of their perpetually offended friends, I didn't give a fck either. A football player sacked for being nasty to our boys on social media. No worries.

But the more I think about it, the more I realise how good it is to be nice to each other. The more I think about it, the more I see the perpetually offended haters telling everyone they have the right to not be offended and saved from the dirty hommers and how very dare they fire our star haters.

Alan's a dirty hommer and even he's putting the boot in. The culture wars, it would seem, are being played out by a globalist Irish hommer from the boardroom behind the scenes and his white-nationalist hommer shock-jock opponent on the airwaves.

What a cat fight, eh?

And as ever, you're cheering for Alan. Good for you, dear. I didn't previously care about an issue of contract law, but when I think of Ooga-booga happy-clappies telling decent white people where they'll spend Eternity, well.

We won't have that, dear. It goes against nature.


I've never cheered for Alan, he's grub. Just can't understand why anyone would care what some religious tosser says. As I've said, he has me on his list of "going to hell" and I couldn't care less.

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Reply #138 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:13pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 10:19am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:42am:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:40am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:33am:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:25am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:58pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:43pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:36pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:30pm:
Now now, FD, in Auggie's homofascist zeal, he hasn't said the government is responsible for anything.

I believe you're saying the government should step in to legislate hommer-bashing as a matter of "religious" freedom.

Who's been reading the holy Quran, eh?

And what sound does a jellyfish make?

You haven't said.


I meet a few of the "going to hell" list, more if we take other shyte from the bible into account. I haven't complained and have no wish to, as far as I'm concerned he can go to hell with his religious crap. I have to wonder why the poofs couldn't do the same. Why are they offended by something they have no belief in? Why are the poofs so butt hurt? Perhaps that could be a rhetorical Q.


What's it got to do with poofs?

Wasn't FD cranky with Rugby Australia? Or the government for not telling them what to do with their employees? Or the Separation of Powers?

I forget now.

FD?


What's it got to do with FD? Poofs are the ones whining someone said they are going to hell unless they believe in some sky fairy and repent to him. Why would you get upset if a nutjob like Israel says that? Why are the poofs and the perpetually offended giving a toss? Really who gives a shyte what he says and he had more reasons to have me in hell that a bit of miam miam?



Rugby Australia, eh?

Not that there's anything wrong with it.


I don't follow sport. RA has nothing to do with what I'm saying and asking you. So skip that and answer without RA or sponsors or Quantas. Why are poofs and their perpetually offended friends even giving a fuck?



Oh, some of them probably have spoilt hommer kids they don't want to offend.

So typical of sporting and youth associations.


That's the best you can come up with? I ask again...

"I don't follow sport. RA has nothing to do with what I'm saying and asking you. So skip that and answer without RA or sponsors or Quantas. Why are poofs and their perpetually offended friends even giving a fuck?"




Sorry, Setanta, I get you now. And do you know?

As one of their perpetually offended friends, I didn't give a fck either. A football player sacked for being nasty to our boys on social media. No worries.

But the more I think about it, the more I realise how good it is to be nice to each other. The more I think about it, the more I see the perpetually offended haters telling everyone they have the right to not be offended and saved from the dirty hommers and how very dare they fire our star haters.

Alan's a dirty hommer and even he's putting the boot in. The culture wars, it would seem, are being played out by a globalist Irish hommer from the boardroom behind the scenes and his white-nationalist hommer shock-jock opponent on the airwaves.

What a cat fight, eh?

And as ever, you're cheering for Alan. Good for you, dear. I didn't previously care about an issue of contract law, but when I think of Ooga-booga happy-clappies telling decent white people where they'll spend Eternity, well.

We won't have that, dear. It goes against nature.


I've never cheered for Alan, he's grub. Just can't understand why anyone would care what some religious tosser says. As I've said, he has me on his list of "going to hell" and I couldn't care less.



Oh, it's about the code and representing Australia and being an upstanding role model for our youth - that type of thing.

Lucky we didn't sign up for it, eh?
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Reply #139 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:21pm
 
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:13pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 10:19am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:42am:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:40am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:33am:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:25am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:58pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:43pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:36pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:30pm:
Now now, FD, in Auggie's homofascist zeal, he hasn't said the government is responsible for anything.

I believe you're saying the government should step in to legislate hommer-bashing as a matter of "religious" freedom.

Who's been reading the holy Quran, eh?

And what sound does a jellyfish make?

You haven't said.


I meet a few of the "going to hell" list, more if we take other shyte from the bible into account. I haven't complained and have no wish to, as far as I'm concerned he can go to hell with his religious crap. I have to wonder why the poofs couldn't do the same. Why are they offended by something they have no belief in? Why are the poofs so butt hurt? Perhaps that could be a rhetorical Q.


What's it got to do with poofs?

Wasn't FD cranky with Rugby Australia? Or the government for not telling them what to do with their employees? Or the Separation of Powers?

I forget now.

FD?


What's it got to do with FD? Poofs are the ones whining someone said they are going to hell unless they believe in some sky fairy and repent to him. Why would you get upset if a nutjob like Israel says that? Why are the poofs and the perpetually offended giving a toss? Really who gives a shyte what he says and he had more reasons to have me in hell that a bit of miam miam?



Rugby Australia, eh?

Not that there's anything wrong with it.


I don't follow sport. RA has nothing to do with what I'm saying and asking you. So skip that and answer without RA or sponsors or Quantas. Why are poofs and their perpetually offended friends even giving a fuck?



Oh, some of them probably have spoilt hommer kids they don't want to offend.

So typical of sporting and youth associations.


That's the best you can come up with? I ask again...

"I don't follow sport. RA has nothing to do with what I'm saying and asking you. So skip that and answer without RA or sponsors or Quantas. Why are poofs and their perpetually offended friends even giving a fuck?"




Sorry, Setanta, I get you now. And do you know?

As one of their perpetually offended friends, I didn't give a fck either. A football player sacked for being nasty to our boys on social media. No worries.

But the more I think about it, the more I realise how good it is to be nice to each other. The more I think about it, the more I see the perpetually offended haters telling everyone they have the right to not be offended and saved from the dirty hommers and how very dare they fire our star haters.

Alan's a dirty hommer and even he's putting the boot in. The culture wars, it would seem, are being played out by a globalist Irish hommer from the boardroom behind the scenes and his white-nationalist hommer shock-jock opponent on the airwaves.

What a cat fight, eh?

And as ever, you're cheering for Alan. Good for you, dear. I didn't previously care about an issue of contract law, but when I think of Ooga-booga happy-clappies telling decent white people where they'll spend Eternity, well.

We won't have that, dear. It goes against nature.


I've never cheered for Alan, he's grub. Just can't understand why anyone would care what some religious tosser says. As I've said, he has me on his list of "going to hell" and I couldn't care less.



Oh, it's about the code and representing Australia and being an upstanding role model for our youth - that type of thing.

Lucky we didn't sign up for it, eh?


What? It's about get a f'in' life and stop complaining about everything. You certainly have a bug up your bum, no problems with Muslims telling me I should be killed for my sins on the list but some fundy Christian repeats something from his book and it's the end of the world. Who gives a shite what religious nutjobs of any stripe say, they're nutjobs... Best ignored.

If you think these goons are really role models for our youth, more fool you and pity upon our younguns..
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Reply #140 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:42pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:13pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 10:19am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:42am:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:40am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:33am:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 1:25am:
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:58pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:43pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:36pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:30pm:
Now now, FD, in Auggie's homofascist zeal, he hasn't said the government is responsible for anything.

I believe you're saying the government should step in to legislate hommer-bashing as a matter of "religious" freedom.

Who's been reading the holy Quran, eh?

And what sound does a jellyfish make?

You haven't said.


I meet a few of the "going to hell" list, more if we take other shyte from the bible into account. I haven't complained and have no wish to, as far as I'm concerned he can go to hell with his religious crap. I have to wonder why the poofs couldn't do the same. Why are they offended by something they have no belief in? Why are the poofs so butt hurt? Perhaps that could be a rhetorical Q.


What's it got to do with poofs?

Wasn't FD cranky with Rugby Australia? Or the government for not telling them what to do with their employees? Or the Separation of Powers?

I forget now.

FD?


What's it got to do with FD? Poofs are the ones whining someone said they are going to hell unless they believe in some sky fairy and repent to him. Why would you get upset if a nutjob like Israel says that? Why are the poofs and the perpetually offended giving a toss? Really who gives a shyte what he says and he had more reasons to have me in hell that a bit of miam miam?



Rugby Australia, eh?

Not that there's anything wrong with it.


I don't follow sport. RA has nothing to do with what I'm saying and asking you. So skip that and answer without RA or sponsors or Quantas. Why are poofs and their perpetually offended friends even giving a fuck?



Oh, some of them probably have spoilt hommer kids they don't want to offend.

So typical of sporting and youth associations.


That's the best you can come up with? I ask again...

"I don't follow sport. RA has nothing to do with what I'm saying and asking you. So skip that and answer without RA or sponsors or Quantas. Why are poofs and their perpetually offended friends even giving a fuck?"




Sorry, Setanta, I get you now. And do you know?

As one of their perpetually offended friends, I didn't give a fck either. A football player sacked for being nasty to our boys on social media. No worries.

But the more I think about it, the more I realise how good it is to be nice to each other. The more I think about it, the more I see the perpetually offended haters telling everyone they have the right to not be offended and saved from the dirty hommers and how very dare they fire our star haters.

Alan's a dirty hommer and even he's putting the boot in. The culture wars, it would seem, are being played out by a globalist Irish hommer from the boardroom behind the scenes and his white-nationalist hommer shock-jock opponent on the airwaves.

What a cat fight, eh?

And as ever, you're cheering for Alan. Good for you, dear. I didn't previously care about an issue of contract law, but when I think of Ooga-booga happy-clappies telling decent white people where they'll spend Eternity, well.

We won't have that, dear. It goes against nature.


I've never cheered for Alan, he's grub. Just can't understand why anyone would care what some religious tosser says. As I've said, he has me on his list of "going to hell" and I couldn't care less.



Oh, it's about the code and representing Australia and being an upstanding role model for our youth - that type of thing.

Lucky we didn't sign up for it, eh?


What? It's about get a f'in' life and stop complaining about everything. You certainly have a bug up your bum, no problems with Muslims telling me I should be ... Best ignored.

If you think these goons are really role models for our youth, more fool you and pity upon our younguns..


I don't believe you, Setanta. How could you possibly imagine a champion football player is not a huge role model - in Australia of all places?

Folou's the star. He is the team. Apparently he's the most talented player in years.

You might recall the 1980s. Back then, kids regularly went out poofter-bashing. A number of hommers were killed, including a Wollongong news reader. One group of kids killed their teacher. Imagine, only 30 years ago, the penalty for being a hommer - in Australia - was death.

The police routinely turned a blind eye, did nothing, and closed unsolved cases. They were also some of the biggest poofter-bashers themselves.

This is the culture Rugby Australia is attempting to keep down. It's been eradicated for the most part, but as we keep seeing, these things have a strange way of resurfacing.

Remember when you and FD used to speak out against racism?

Memories, no?
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I don't believe you, Setanta. How could you possibly imagine a champion football player is not a huge role model - in Australia of all places?

Folou's the star. He is the team. Apparently he's the most talented player in years.

You might recall the 1980s. Back then, kids regularly went out poofter-bashing. A number of hommers were killed, including a Wollongong news reader. One group of kids killed their teacher. Imagine, only 30 years ago, the penalty for being a hommer - in Australia - was death.

The police routinely turned a blind eye, did nothing, and closed unsolved cases. They were also some of the biggest poofter-bashers themselves.

This is the culture Rugby Australia is attempting to keep down. It's been eradicated for the most part, but as we keep seeing, these things have a strange way of resurfacing.

Remember when you and FD used to speak out against racism?


I don't particularly care what you believe K. They were never my role models, nor my son's role models. Who TF would model themselves on bozos throwing/kicking a ball around. What a great life skill!

Sure shite like that happened in the past, many people were and still are targeted through no fault of their own, see the king hit laws for example. I don't think anyone deserves violence thrust upon them for being a poof, an atheist, a drunk an idolater, etc etc. It's not the 1980s any more not the 17 or 16 80s either. If you want to see hate against poofs, look no further that Islam where it is still in practice to kill them. But no, you can't do that.


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You certainly have a bug up your bum, no problems with Muslims telling me I should be killed for my sins on the list but some fundy Christian repeats something from his book and it's the end of the world.



which one of those muslims who called for your killing represent australia?

Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
Who gives a shite what religious nutjobs of any stripe say, they're nutjobs... Best ignored.


who gives a poo? How about every kid who follows or plays union?

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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
You certainly have a bug up your bum, no problems with Muslims telling me I should be killed for my sins on the list but some fundy Christian repeats something from his book and it's the end of the world.



which one of those muslims who called for your killing represent australia?

Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
Who gives a shite what religious nutjobs of any stripe say, they're nutjobs... Best ignored.


who gives a poo? How about every kid who follows or plays union?



Are any of these Muslims Australian citizens?  Then they represent Australia...
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Reply #144 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 6:14pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 6:01pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
You certainly have a bug up your bum, no problems with Muslims telling me I should be killed for my sins on the list but some fundy Christian repeats something from his book and it's the end of the world.



which one of those muslims who called for your killing represent australia?

Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
Who gives a shite what religious nutjobs of any stripe say, they're nutjobs... Best ignored.


who gives a poo? How about every kid who follows or plays union?



Grap answered first well enough.

Have you asked them? Are you their designated spokesmanperson? I'm pretty sure the Muslim and fundy Christian kids may well have supported him. Should they be ignored? In my opinion, yes, just as he should have been.
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Grap answered first well enough.

Have you asked them? Are you their designated spokesmanperson? I'm pretty sure the Muslim and fundy Christian kids may well have supported him. Should they be ignored? In my opinion, yes, just as he should have been.



are you seriously arguing that footy players aren't role models for kids?

I don't need to be anyone's designated speaker. There's a reason Nike, Reebok and thousands of other companies spends millions annually on player endorsements. But what do they know right? Choo choo didn't give a fuq about footy players so they must be wrong Grin Grin Grin Grin


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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 6:14pm:
Grap answered first well enough.

Have you asked them? Are you their designated spokesmanperson? I'm pretty sure the Muslim and fundy Christian kids may well have supported him. Should they be ignored? In my opinion, yes, just as he should have been.



are you seriously arguing that footy players aren't role models for kids?

I don't need to be anyone's designated speaker. There's a reason Nike, Reebok and thousands of other companies spends millions annually on player endorsements. But what do they know right? Choo choo didn't give a fuq about footy players so they must be wrong Grin Grin Grin Grin


get out of your cave.


Not for me when I was a kid, not for my kids or any of their friends. I'm sure there are some retards that think highly of these boofheads, probably led on by boofhead parents like you. Who said advertising bullsite doesn't work? Role models...  Grin

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Not for me when I was a kid, not for my kids or any of their friends.


so because you didn't idolise them, no one else possibly could, right? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


You're either arrogant enough to believe that you are the benchmark, or stupid enough to think it.

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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 6:33pm:
Not for me when I was a kid, not for my kids or any of their friends.


so because you didn't idolise them, no one else possibly could, right? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


You're either arrogant enough to believe that you are the benchmark, or stupid enough to think it.



Seriously what TF is there to idolise you idolater? To hell with you. I've not claimed to be a benchmark, that is your strawman. On the other hand every one of my sons has worked from the day they finished studying not sitting back watching "role models" like these boofheads.
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Seriously what TF is there to idolise you idolater?



I've never watched a game of rugby in my life. That doesn't mean that I don't accept that fans of the sport do idolise them.

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I've not claimed to be a benchmark, that is your strawman.


YOU were the one to claim that no one could possibly give a crap what he says because footy players were never role models for you and your sons.. Cheesy
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Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:42pm:
I don't believe you, Setanta. How could you possibly imagine a champion football player is not a huge role model - in Australia of all places?

Folou's the star. He is the team. Apparently he's the most talented player in years.

You might recall the 1980s. Back then, kids regularly went out poofter-bashing. A number of hommers were killed, including a Wollongong news reader. One group of kids killed their teacher. Imagine, only 30 years ago, the penalty for being a hommer - in Australia - was death.

The police routinely turned a blind eye, did nothing, and closed unsolved cases. They were also some of the biggest poofter-bashers themselves.

This is the culture Rugby Australia is attempting to keep down. It's been eradicated for the most part, but as we keep seeing, these things have a strange way of resurfacing.

Remember when you and FD used to speak out against racism?


I don't particularly care what you believe K. They were never my role models, nor my son's role models. Who TF would model themselves on bozos throwing/kicking a ball around. What a great life skill!

Sure shite like that happened in the past, many people were and still are targeted through no fault of their own, see the king hit laws for example. I don't think anyone deserves violence thrust upon them for being a poof, an atheist, a drunk an idolater, etc etc. It's not the 1980s any more not the 17 or 16 80s either. If you want to see hate against poofs, look no further that Islam where it is still in practice to kill them. But no, you can't do that.




Oh, I see. So here you are defending a hommer-bashing Christian and advising us to blame Islam, so unfair, etc. 

I know you don't care, dear, but you do seem to care very deeply about a really mean group called "your lot". FD, Moses, Matty, Homo and a number of other victims here are constantly saying how offensive they are, so I'm curious.

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John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 6:39pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 6:33pm:
Not for me when I was a kid, not for my kids or any of their friends.


so because you didn't idolise them, no one else possibly could, right? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


You're either arrogant enough to believe that you are the benchmark, or stupid enough to think it.



Seriously what TF is there to idolise you idolater? To hell with you. I've not claimed to be a benchmark, that is your strawman. On the other hand every one of my sons has worked from the day they finished studying not sitting back watching "role models" like these boofheads.


So your sons are the benchmark, eh? Good-O.

If you don't care what the haters say, Setanta, why are you writing so many posts about them?
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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 6:43pm:
Seriously what TF is there to idolise you idolater?



I've never watched a game of rugby in my life. That doesn't mean that I don't accept that fans of the sport do idolise them.

Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 6:43pm:
I've not claimed to be a benchmark, that is your strawman.


YOU were the one to claim that no one could possibly give a crap what he says because footy players were never role models for you and your sons.. Cheesy


So you claim these boofheads are idols for why? Can you think of any reason?

I didn't say no-one gave a crap, I pretty much said it was laughable that anyone would take these boofheads as role models. Perhaps that is what is wrong with our society, expecting boofheads not to be boofheads and to look to real people that can be role models. Personally I didn't have anyone that I would call a role model but I did have an admiration for Douglas Bader. Never give up. I don't believe he was accomplice to any of the things footy players have engaged in over the years. Using boofheads as role models is setting your sights really low.
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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 6:43pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 6:39pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 6:33pm:
Not for me when I was a kid, not for my kids or any of their friends.


so because you didn't idolise them, no one else possibly could, right? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


You're either arrogant enough to believe that you are the benchmark, or stupid enough to think it.



Seriously what TF is there to idolise you idolater? To hell with you. I've not claimed to be a benchmark, that is your strawman. On the other hand every one of my sons has worked from the day they finished studying not sitting back watching "role models" like these boofheads.


So your sons are the benchmark, eh? Good-O.

If you don't care what the haters say, Setanta, why are you writing so many posts about them?


They are for me. They have succeeded.

As I have said, I don't know why the whiners didn't just ignore the dickhead. Look where it's got them.

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Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 6:49pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:59pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:42pm:
I don't believe you, Setanta. How could you possibly imagine a champion football player is not a huge role model - in Australia of all places?

Folou's the star. He is the team. Apparently he's the most talented player in years.

You might recall the 1980s. Back then, kids regularly went out poofter-bashing. A number of hommers were killed, including a Wollongong news reader. One group of kids killed their teacher. Imagine, only 30 years ago, the penalty for being a hommer - in Australia - was death.

The police routinely turned a blind eye, did nothing, and closed unsolved cases. They were also some of the biggest poofter-bashers themselves.

This is the culture Rugby Australia is attempting to keep down. It's been eradicated for the most part, but as we keep seeing, these things have a strange way of resurfacing.

Remember when you and FD used to speak out against racism?


I don't particularly care what you believe K. They were never my role models, nor my son's role models. Who TF would model themselves on bozos throwing/kicking a ball around. What a great life skill!

Sure shite like that happened in the past, many people were and still are targeted through no fault of their own, see the king hit laws for example. I don't think anyone deserves violence thrust upon them for being a poof, an atheist, a drunk an idolater, etc etc. It's not the 1980s any more not the 17 or 16 80s either. If you want to see hate against poofs, look no further that Islam where it is still in practice to kill them. But no, you can't do that.




Oh, I see. So here you are defending a hommer-bashing Christian and advising us to blame Islam, so unfair, etc. 

I know you don't care, dear, but you do seem to care very deeply about a really mean group called "your lot". FD, Moses, Matty, Homo and a number of other victims here are constantly saying how offensive they are, so I'm curious.

Who are they?


I think you have lost the plot you old hommer you.
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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 6:56pm:
So you claim these boofheads are idols for why? Can you think of any reason?



It might have something to do with their skill on the footy pitch. Who knows for sure and who really cares, it doesn't change the fact that people follow Follau and take what he says and does very seriously.


Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 6:56pm:
I didn't say no-one gave a crap, I pretty much said it was laughable that anyone would take these boofheads as role models.


and when I suggested that people do treat them as idols, you stupidly questioned if I had asked them. That you and your kids never did so why would anyone else? Now you're pretending you knew all along? How did you know? Had you asked them?



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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 6:56pm:
So you claim these boofheads are idols for why? Can you think of any reason?



It might have something to do with their skill on the footy pitch. Who knows for sure and who really cares, it doesn't change the fact that people follow Follau and take what he says and does very seriously.


Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 6:56pm:
I didn't say no-one gave a crap, I pretty much said it was laughable that anyone would take these boofheads as role models.


and when I suggested that people do treat them as idols, you stupidly questioned if I had asked them. That you and your kids never did so why would anyone else? Now you're pretending you knew all along? How did you know? Had you asked them?





More fool them. I can't believe you believe the advertising that these meatheads are "role models". Could one aim any lower?


You claimed spokesmanperson for all of them. Not my doing. Just questioning the wisdom of such a claim. You have since claimed you don't idolise them, don't follow the sport, but you still think they are idols. Why are you speaking for a bunch of people that you don't even associate with?

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I can't believe you believe the advertising that these meatheads are "role models". Could one aim any lower?


so are you're saying they aren't? Or are you being deliberately stupid?
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You claimed spokesmanperson for all of them



perhaps you should read what's there and not add imaginary words to what I say? I know it's difficult for you, so bent on playing the hero, but you really should try it. You might prevent yourself from looking the total fool.
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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:31pm:
I can't believe you believe the advertising that these meatheads are "role models". Could one aim any lower?


so are you're saying they aren't? Or are you being deliberately stupid?


As I have said, they were never a role model for me, my kids or their friends. As I have said, if that is the sort of role model you seek you are missing out on people that actually change the world. Some boofhead that can throw or kick a ball around is not a role model kids need.
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As I have said, they were never a role model for me, my kids or their friends. As I have said, if that is the sort of role model you seek you are missing out on people that actually change the world. Some boofhead that can throw or kick a ball around is not a role model kids need.



Personally, I actually  don't disagree with any of that. However that doesn't change the fact that people see them as role models. You say you know that, but then you question it every time I suggest that it is so.

If you are looking for something to build yourself up with, you are, in my humble opinion, failing miserably.  Can I suggest, for your own good, you move on with the conversation?
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John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:35pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:31pm:
I can't believe you believe the advertising that these meatheads are "role models". Could one aim any lower?


so are you're saying they aren't? Or are you being deliberately stupid?


As I have said, they were never a role model for me, my kids or their friends. As I have said, if that is the sort of role model you seek you are missing out on people that actually change the world. Some boofhead that can throw or kick a ball around is not a role model kids need.


Then we agree. So why are you sticking up for them, Setanta?
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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:38pm:
As I have said, they were never a role model for me, my kids or their friends. As I have said, if that is the sort of role model you seek you are missing out on people that actually change the world. Some boofhead that can throw or kick a ball around is not a role model kids need.



Personally, I actually  don't disagree with any of that. However that doesn't change the fact that people see them as role models. You say you know that, but then you question it every time I suggest that it is so.

If you are looking for something to build yourself up with, you are, in my humble opinion, failing miserably.  Can I suggest, for your own good, you move on with the conversation?


Then we agree. What happened to FD?
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Then we agree. What happened to FD?



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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:31pm:
You claimed spokesmanperson for all of them



perhaps you should read what's there and not add imaginary words to what I say? I know it's difficult for you, so bent on playing the hero, but you really should try it. You might prevent yourself from looking the total fool.



Did you say "How about every kid who follows or plays union?"
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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:35pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:31pm:
I can't believe you believe the advertising that these meatheads are "role models". Could one aim any lower?


so are you're saying they aren't? Or are you being deliberately stupid?


As I have said, they were never a role model for me, my kids or their friends. As I have said, if that is the sort of role model you seek you are missing out on people that actually change the world. Some boofhead that can throw or kick a ball around is not a role model kids need.


Then we agree. So why are you sticking up for them, Setanta?


Who am I sticking up for K? If I'm not for you am I against you? Are you GW bush?
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Ben Cousins has lots of people who think hes a role model, most of them are in prison. Not sure what that proves.
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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:31pm:
You claimed spokesmanperson for all of them



perhaps you should read what's there and not add imaginary words to what I say? I know it's difficult for you, so bent on playing the hero, but you really should try it. You might prevent yourself from looking the total fool.



Did you say "How about every kid who follows or plays union?"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1562056827/142#142
Refer to link for context.
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see that little thing at the end of my sentence choo choo, surely even a highly edumacated idiot like you knows what that means, right?


How is asking a question turn into 'claims of speaking for every child'?


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Ben Cousins has lots of people who think hes a role model, most of them are in prison. Not sure what that proves.



it proves that he is a role model. No more, no less.
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Reply #170 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:05pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:00pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:31pm:
You claimed spokesmanperson for all of them



perhaps you should read what's there and not add imaginary words to what I say? I know it's difficult for you, so bent on playing the hero, but you really should try it. You might prevent yourself from looking the total fool.



Did you say "How about every kid who follows or plays union?"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1562056827/142#142
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see that little thing at the end of my sentence choo choo, surely even a highly edumacated idiot like you knows what that means, right?


How is asking a question turn into 'claims of speaking for every child'?




Ah, never did. You brought that into the discussion. My position has always been these meatheads are not role model material. Your question, in adversity to my position, was to claim the above... You may have posed it as a question but your intent was obvious. Look back at the link to get context. Thanks for playing.
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Reply #171 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:06pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:56pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:35pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:31pm:
I can't believe you believe the advertising that these meatheads are "role models". Could one aim any lower?


so are you're saying they aren't? Or are you being deliberately stupid?


As I have said, they were never a role model for me, my kids or their friends. As I have said, if that is the sort of role model you seek you are missing out on people that actually change the world. Some boofhead that can throw or kick a ball around is not a role model kids need.


Then we agree. So why are you sticking up for them, Setanta?


Who am I sticking up for K? If I'm not for you am I against you?


Do you know? I think that's exactly why you're posting here. You're not defending religion or free speech. You're not defending Folou's religious convictions or his boofheadness. You're solely defending his stance on the hommers - which you disagree with - but do so solely to have a stab at "your lot".

A species you sneakily won't identify. Cunning, no?
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Reply #172 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:07pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:01pm:
rhino wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:59pm:
Ben Cousins has lots of people who think hes a role model, most of them are in prison. Not sure what that proves.




it proves that he is a role model. No more, no less.


I reckon the point is that all peak sporting bodies take the view that their stars are or have become (for good reason or not) role models so, because they have provided the platform paid for by the public and sponsors, these role models have to toe an appropriate line taking that into account.  After all, that is the goose that lays the golden egg for them all.

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Reply #173 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:08pm
 
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:56pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:35pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:31pm:
I can't believe you believe the advertising that these meatheads are "role models". Could one aim any lower?


so are you're saying they aren't? Or are you being deliberately stupid?


As I have said, they were never a role model for me, my kids or their friends. As I have said, if that is the sort of role model you seek you are missing out on people that actually change the world. Some boofhead that can throw or kick a ball around is not a role model kids need.


Then we agree. So why are you sticking up for them, Setanta?


Who am I sticking up for K? If I'm not for you am I against you?


Do you know? I think that's exactly why you're posting here. You're not defending religion or free speech. You're not defending Folou's religious convictions or his boofheadness. You're solely defending his stance on the hommers - which you disagree with - but do so solely to have a stab at "your lot".

A species you sneakily won't identify. Cunning, no?


You are wrong, K. I can't do much about it though. You will believe what you will.

I'm not sure what you mean by "identify" K. If you ask a straight up question, I'll do my best to answer.
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You most certainly can do something about it, Setanta.

You can answer the question, dear. I will believe what you tell me.
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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:05pm:
Ah, never did.


never did what?


Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:05pm:
You brought that into the discussion.


you asked who would have them as role models, I suggested two possibilities.


Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:05pm:
My position has always been these meatheads are not role model material.


not for you, but they obviously are for others.


Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:05pm:
You may have posed it as a question but you intent was obvious


yes, I thought it was obvious that I was suggesting possible fans of folau. Still you disputed it. You still haven't explained how that turned into 'speaking for every child'?

Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:05pm:
Look back at the link to get context.


I know what the link says. The problem is that you jumped the gun. You were so quick to go into attack mode that you, once again, trapped yourself.  Perhaps you need to go back and read the thread again?  Grin Grin
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You're solely defending his stance on the hommers - which you disagree with - but do so solely to have a stab at "your lot".



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Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
You're solely defending his stance on the hommers - which you disagree with - but do so solely to have a stab at "your lot".



Bingo

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Unfortunately for you I'm not. I don't feel the need to support his religious beliefs that I do not share, I also don't support all the butt hurt from him expressing his fucked up beliefs. You people want, no scream for a black and white solution. I can handle his religious beliefs, we hear them all the time from different religions, one of which you lot stand up for. It's a really simple thing to do, religious nut says something, ignore it.
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Reply #178 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:19pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:18pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:12pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
You're solely defending his stance on the hommers - which you disagree with - but do so solely to have a stab at "your lot".



Bingo

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Unfortunately for you I'm not. I don't feel the need to support his religious beliefs that I do not share, I also don't support all the butt hurt from him expressing his fucked up beliefs. You people want, no scream for a black and white solution. I can handle his religious beliefs, we hear them all the time from different religions, one of which you lot stand up for. It's a really simple thing to do, religious nut says something, ignore it.


your first 5 words says one thing, the rest contradicts it.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:19pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:18pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:12pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
You're solely defending his stance on the hommers - which you disagree with - but do so solely to have a stab at "your lot".



Bingo

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Unfortunately for you I'm not. I don't feel the need to support his religious beliefs that I do not share, I also don't support all the butt hurt from him expressing his fucked up beliefs. You people want, no scream for a black and white solution. I can handle his religious beliefs, we hear them all the time from different religions, one of which you lot stand up for. It's a really simple thing to do, religious nut says something, ignore it.


your first 5 words says one thing, the rest contradicts it.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Spell it out then Mimo. The "your lot" mentioned in the post I responded to, what does it mean and what does it mean to my feelings on poofs or meatheads? Are you a poof or a meathead?
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Reply #180 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:27pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:18pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:12pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
You're solely defending his stance on the hommers - which you disagree with - but do so solely to have a stab at "your lot".



Bingo

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Unfortunately for you I'm not. I don't feel the need to support his religious beliefs that I do not share, I also don't support all the butt hurt from him expressing his fucked up beliefs. You people want, no scream for a black and white solution. I can handle his religious beliefs, we hear them all the time from different religions, one of which you lot stand up for. It's a really simple thing to do, religious nut says something, ignore it.


Don't want to answer the question, do you, dear?

Who are "you people"? You say this in every post. They do bother you so.

If you don't mind me saying, they seem to offend you.
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nah, I'll leave you to work it out.  Grin Grin
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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:22pm:
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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:22pm:
Spell it out then Mimo



nah, I'll leave you to work it out.  Grin Grin


You'd even think I'd bother about what is in your head? Continue laughing until you cry.


no thinking required. I know you'd bother. You've proven it.

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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:33pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:30pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:22pm:
Spell it out then Mimo



nah, I'll leave you to work it out.  Grin Grin


You'd even think I'd bother about what is in your head? Continue laughing until you cry.


no thinking required. I know you'd bother. You've proven it.

Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:22pm:
Spell it out then Mimo.




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John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:34pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:33pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:30pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:22pm:
Spell it out then Mimo



nah, I'll leave you to work it out.  Grin Grin


You'd even think I'd bother about what is in your head? Continue laughing until you cry.


no thinking required. I know you'd bother. You've proven it.

Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:22pm:
Spell it out then Mimo.




Grin Grin Grin


And you can't...  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



Why would I bother? I tried helping you earlier and you were so busy trying to get one up on me that you refused to listen. Don't expect any further help from me for tonight at least.

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I never realised how much my laughing faces bothered you. Nice to know. Thanks for that


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So many laughing faces laughing at you Mimo.
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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:42pm:
So many laughing faces laughing at you Mimo.




not really choo choo. It's just one, you. Trying to cover for your incompetence.

That's one difference between you and I. I laugh because I find you or your attempts at 'arguments' funny. You laugh to try and hide your fear and incompetence.

I take your laughing faces as sign that I'm on the right track


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I never realised how much my laughing faces bothered you. Nice to know. Thanks for that


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They might be something "you people" like.

Setanta seems positively traumatised by them.
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They might be something "you people" like.

Setanta seems positively traumatised by them.


every one is against him the poor fellow.
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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:42pm:
So many laughing faces laughing at you Mimo.




not really choo choo. It's just one, you. Trying to cover for your incompetence.

That's one difference between you and I. I laugh because I find you or your attempts at 'arguments' funny. You laugh to try and hide your fear and incompetence.

I take your laughing faces as sign that I'm on the right track


Grin Grin Grin


In that case I have to wonder who those other faces you posted laughing belong to. Laughing for others? You really are a pathetic creature. I know you'll have others telling you that it's not true but it is. We were having a simple discussion on what people should ignore. It seems you are one of those things.

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Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:48pm:
They might be something "you people" like.

Setanta seems positively traumatised by them.


every one is against him the poor fellow.

I think we know that is untrue. Unless "everyone" is a member of of Monks drunks.
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John, support K in this request. It seems Aussie ignores it even though K implores him.

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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:52pm:
In that case I have to wonder who those other faces you posted laughing belong to. Laughing for others?


why would you say that? Unlike you, I've never claimed to speak for anyone else.

Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:52pm:
You really are a pathetic creature.


Ohh, I hit a nerve did I?  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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I know you'll have others telling you that it's not true but


as opposed to what you say?  Grin Grin Grin

Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:52pm:
We were having a simple discussion on what people should ignore.


no, we were discussing the fact that they were role models for some. Irrespective of if you agree with them or not

Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:52pm:
It seems you are one of those things.


and yet you seem to follow me around like a good little bitch should.


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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:54pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:51pm:
Abu wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:48pm:
They might be something "you people" like.

Setanta seems positively traumatised by them.


every one is against him the poor fellow.

I think we know that is untrue. Unless "everyone" is a member of of Monks drunks.



you tell me. Afterall, you're the one who can't seem to make a post without crying about 'you people'
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John, support K in this request. It seems Aussie ignores it even though K implores him.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1561971945/133#133



Why? So you can try to attribute what others do or say to me again? Or hold me responsible for what they say?

No thanks. You picked your song, now bend over and enjoy the dance.
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Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:52pm:
In that case I have to wonder who those other faces you posted laughing belong to. Laughing for others?


why would you say that? Unlike you, I've never claimed to speak for anyone else.

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You really are a pathetic creature.


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I know you'll have others telling you that it's not true but


as opposed to what you say?  Grin Grin Grin

Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:52pm:
We were having a simple discussion on what people should ignore.


no, we were discussing the fact that they were role models for some. Irrespective of if you agree with them or not

Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:52pm:
It seems you are one of those things.


and yet you seem to follow me around like a good little bitch should.




I have no idea why you think I follow you. I have been in this thread for hours. I guess it's the want of feeling important and someone taking you seriously. Sorry to disappoint. Perhaps you have feelings of persecution? A victim? Someone who has been subdued.

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So many faces laughing at you, not with you.
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Re: Folau vs Yassmin
Reply #200 - Jul 6th, 2019 at 9:10pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 9:07pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 9:00pm:
John, support K in this request. It seems Aussie ignores it even though K implores him.

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