polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15
th, 2019 at 2:18pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 14
th, 2019 at 6:41pm:
The law forbids firing people for their religious views.
Which is subtly, but crucially different to firing for a) expressing those views and b) the medium in which they are expressed. If Folau's boss had asked him about what he thought about gays and Folau answered that he believed they were going to hell - then that is obviously very different to an unprompted broadcasting of that view on a platform viewed by millions.
You talk about a slippery slope, well how more slippery can you get when you make the broadcasting of any kind of hate speech - up to and including incitement of violence - a completely protected activity under the law - so long as it is done under the cover of "religious beliefs"?
So I think you are wrong - I don't believe the broadcasting of any sort of speech under the cover of "religious beliefs" has to be completely off limits to employers in their conditions of employment. The law will understand the nuance between holding a religious belief on the one hand, and how they go about broadcasting those beliefs on the other. Obviously no one would argue if a muslim was sacked by RA for posting "it is my sincere Islamic belief that all jews should be rounded up and gassed forthwith" to his millions of followers - nor would there be any argument when he is arrested for the same thing.
FD's not defending religious speech, G, he's defending hate speech.
Remember, when Yassmin Tweeted something as harmless as lest we forget refugees, FD defended the rape and death threats that followed - to the letter.
For FD, a tinted Muslim woman comparing the plight of refuges to Australians killed in foreign wars deserved everything she got, whether she was expressing her religious views or not.
Likewise, FD's not defending Folou's right to spruik the message of his prophet, he's defending Folou's right to slag off the hommers.
FD hasn't defended religious freedom since "he changed his mind" in 2007. FD is now of the opinion that those who follow the religion of Islam should be banned. FD wants them asked cunning questions on their visa applications - questions designed to trip them up, agree that they support genocide, want to kill gays who do it Mardi Gras-style and tough-titties, off with their treacherous heads.
In fact, why ask them at all? They
have to believe this, they're Muslims. They don't share the same values as Whitey. The purpose of the visa questions is to get them to admit that they can't live among civilised people so you can knock them back, but still maintain you believe in freedom.
FD's always been rather quiet about what to do with the ones like you; citizens who convert. He hopes you'll sneak off to fight in some foreign war so you can be banned when you try to return.
As for all other Muslim religious practices: praying, reading the Quran, visiting Mecca, giving alms to the poor, etc, FD's got that covered too. FD, you see, has redefined Islam as a terrorist political movement. Therefore,
all Islamic religious expression can be banned.
You make a mistake when you assume FD shares liberal views on religious or cultural expression, G. He doesn't. Whenever you can get a straight answer out of him, he expresses views that are the very antithesis of liberalism.
FD is not defending religious expression here, he's defending the expression of hate. FD wants the freedom to bludgeon people he doesn't like, and his criteria for them is anyone who challenges the Anglo-Saxon global hegemon led by Uncle, Mother and their agents - the Saudis and Israelis in the Middle East, for example, or their puppet regimes in Africa, Asia and Latin America.
For FD, the preservation of this order is so fundamental it goes without saying. Why would you even question it? FD was happy to uphold freedom of expression and pluralism and civility until someone came along who actually challenged his world view, someone so diabolical the very sight of his name made the blood rush to FD's head.
Do you know who that ex-member is, G?
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